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FIRE O'BRIEN NOW!!!

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ArlingtonTexan said:
To answer your question with others

Would any of the other 11 playoff teams trade their coach for ours?
Which of the eight teams that fired a coach would consider BOB an upgrade?
Of the 12 teams remaining how many of those coaches are "same dog different fleas?"

(and I post from the idea of acceptance that BOB will be the coach for at least a couple of years longer)
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Another question. How many teams looking for a HC right now would be high on hiring BOB if he were fired tomorrow? I don’t think there would be one.
 
TheKDog said:
7 points.
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Hookem Horns said:
Another question. How many teams looking for a HC right now would be high on hiring BOB if he were fired tomorrow? I don’t think there would be one.
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yeah, you're delusional if you don't believe so then. If guys like Jim Caldwell, Jim Mora Jr and Jack Del Rio can get multiple opportunities BoB would have another job in no time.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
To answer your question with others

Would any of the other 11 playoff teams trade their coach for ours?
Which of the eight teams that fired a coach would consider BOB an upgrade?
Of the 12 teams remaining how many of those coaches are "same dog different fleas?"

(and I post from the idea of acceptance that BOB will be the coach for at least a couple of years longer)
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I think they are going to hire an O.C. and then just see what happens.
 
I think that part of the problem in discussing Bill O'Brien is that he's a fairly good head coach. For every complaint, someone can come back with a stat or argument to counter the complaint and they're probably right -- he's not bad. Discussion about if he's good or bad is legit IMO, but I feel like the better discussion is if he's good or good enough to bring the team a Super Bowl championship. From what I've seen, I don't think BOB has what it takes to get this team to a SB. I don't think he's able to identify the right type of players to make his vision work. There's hope that Gaine fixed that problem but I'm still concerned about BOB's input and collaboration in that process. I don't think he does a good job of recognizing his team's weaknesses and adjusting accordingly. It shouldn't have been a surprise that our Oline sucked coming into the season, but apparently it was and took 3 games to adjust accordingly. I'm no closer to understanding just how good of a coach he is now vs his first year. Every year, it's trying to figure out if its the personnel or the coaching. At what point do we see the common denominator is BOB no matter who is on the field? I'm willing to concede that all along, it's been the personnel and that once the right people are in place, BOB and his offense will shine. Since I don't think we're going to get a new coach, I see no choice but to hold onto the tiny hope that it's been the personnel all along but I don't know how I can hold onto that past next year. Show us that you can make the right shopping list for your GM. Show us that you can have the team ready to play at the beginning of the season. Show us that you can either hire a OC that can get the most our of Watson, or do it yourself. Show us that you can have the team peak by playoffs and be playing their best ball, instead of conservative all season and open it up when we get there and expect it to work. Do this next year and even if we don't win it all, but get beat in a competitive playoff game, I'll be fine with it because at least I'll have some hope that maybe BOB has what it takes.
 
How many great coaches are there other than in N.E., New Orleans, Kansas City, and L.A.? Not many. Maybe none.
 
tedr said:
For me the most disappointing thing is this is OB’s 5th year, and he still has this dumpster fire of an O-line...and the fact that he’s not a good OC. I hope an actual OC is hired this offseason and they use their first 3 or 4 draft picks on the o-line.
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For me the most disappointing is that the defense couldn't get a stop when their life depended on it
 
gary said:
Just my guess. I really don’t see him being fired. Who would it be for?
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It would be inhouse and mostly semantics if it happens. Purely a buffer for next season if things go bad on offense. Prepare the scapegoat.

Smart for him. Bad for us.
 
powda said:
It would be inhouse and mostly semantics if it happens. Purely a buffer for next season if things go bad on offense. Prepare the scapegoat.

Smart for him. Bad for us.
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What the hell is this thinking? Sacrifice the goat now, by firing his dumb ass. Get a coach that might produce for this team. Why the heck must we waste one more season.

Powda you lost your mind, you gonna squander one more season. As BOB squandered this season........ and the 4 season that he has been coached,

He coached Penn state............. and yelled at brady once............ WTF has this guy done that he cant be fired?
 
BOBdaFRAUD said:
What the hell is this thinking? Sacrifice the goat now, by firing his dumb ass. Get a coach that might produce for this team. Why the heck must we waste one more season.

Powda you lost your mind, you gonna squander one more season. As BOB squandered this season........ and the 4 season that he has been coached,

He coached Penn state............. and yelled at brady once............ WTF has this guy done that he cant be fired?
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I'm not squandering sh*t. I have no say in the matter.
 
So just curious but why among all this yelling for O'Brien's head is no one, other than JB, mentioning the fact that our vaulted D has been made to look like a high school team in the last two games that actually mattered? I'm not defending BoB, no playoff team should ever get shut down for 3 quarters and then only score because the other team is winded, but good God if we're going to start up a lynch mob lets make sure we get everyone rounded up.

Pretty sure on a couple of those plays Luck had time to pull out his phone and take a selfy. Never once did it ever really seem like he felt pressured. With the amount of draft picks and money that has been spent on this defense they should be scaring the hell out of QBs but the moment a top shelf QB hits the field you can almost hear the Benny Hill music start playing with how the defense runs around. Then on top of that some of them are about to start wanting big money contracts? No thank you.

Fact is all parties involved **** the bed over the last three weeks, the Jags game doesn't count as I'm not convinced they really cared about winning that one, and if we are going to fire BoB, which I'm fine with if there is a real option for replacement, then lets fire the whole coaching staff as well because none of them have so far shown that they can handle playoff games.
 
We have some renowned front with watt Clowney and mercilous.

Watt is coming off injury.

Clowney has literally realized a fraction of his talent. If he had half the technique or effort of watt he'd be rewriting record books. This dude- damn - a physical freak who just plays hard enough for a check. And we are about to pay him.

Mercy? He had a solid season a few years ago. Otherwise a bust. Not noteworthy.
 
powda said:
We have some renowned front with watt Clowney and mercilous.

Watt is coming off injury.

Clowney has literally realized a fraction of his talent. If he had half the technique or effort of watt he'd be rewriting record books. This dude- damn - a physical freak who just plays hard enough for a check. And we are about to pay him.

Mercy? He had a solid season a few years ago. Otherwise a bust. Not noteworthy.
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Man, I wonder if bust is the right description.....maybe scheme plays a bigger part. I wouldn't part with Watt since he had a hell of a rebound season. As for Clowney and Mercilus......my biggest concern, they're playing for a paycheck and once it's given they'll regress on the field or find reasons to be on injured list. I think both Clowney and Mercilus are expendable and their replacements can be found in the draft. Remember, both of these guys were DE's in college and converted to OLB's by the Texans.
 
Pros and cons of OB:

Pros:

Team plays hard entire game for him.

Can win ugly when needed.

Can improvise and win when injuries/unforeseen ineffectiveness happen.

Cons:

Does not have team prepared with optimal gameplan to win consistently.

Has to improvise to be competitive because first gameplan/lineup decision was a failure.

While he’s a good offensive mind, he’s not one of the top offensive coaches in the league that warrants being their own OC at the expense of multitasking as HC.
 
powda said:
We have some renowned front with watt Clowney and mercilous.

Watt is coming off injury.

Clowney has literally realized a fraction of his talent. If he had half the technique or effort of watt he'd be rewriting record books. This dude- damn - a physical freak who just plays hard enough for a check. And we are about to pay him.

Mercy? He had a solid season a few years ago. Otherwise a bust. Not noteworthy.
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We aren't paying Clowney outside of a tag.

And Mercilus is not a bust.. you clearly don't know what a bust is, which is strange given the fact that we've had plenty of them and many examples for you to draw from.
 
O'Brien has major issues as a head coach for sure but I just don't see anybody worth making a change for, would probably bring in another Macadoo type dude that would just set the franchise back another 10 years. Might as well stick with him another year. If they don't make a push to at least AFC Championship next year he has to go. To me he's like another Dennis Green, solid head coach will have some great regular seasons because of the great talent he has at his disposal but will always get outclassed against the big dogs in the big games.
 
ShinobiMusashi said:
O'Brien has major issues as a head coach for sure but I just don't see anybody worth making a change for, would probably bring in another Macadoo type dude that would just set the franchise back another 10 years. Might as well stick with him another year. If they don't make a push to at least AFC Championship next year he has to go. To me he's like another Dennis Green, solid head coach will have some great regular seasons because of the great talent he has at his disposal but will always get outclassed against the big dogs in the big games.
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He's the absolute worst kind of coach you could ever hope for..just good enough to stay employed... Marvin Lewis 2.0
 
ShinobiMusashi said:
O'Brien has major issues as a head coach for sure but I just don't see anybody worth making a change for, would probably bring in another Macadoo type dude that would just set the franchise back another 10 years. Might as well stick with him another year. If they don't make a push to at least AFC Championship next year he has to go. To me he's like another Dennis Green, solid head coach will have some great regular seasons because of the great talent he has at his disposal but will always get outclassed against the big dogs in the big games.
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People are seeing the immediate success of bright offensive minds like Pederson, Reich, Nagy and Mcvay (to a lesser extent Shanny but injuries were his undoing this year). The problem is you go out and get one you may miss and be worse off than before. Maybe we’ll hit a John Fox/Marty Schottenheimer situation and replace OB because ownership is no longer confident he’s the man to win a Super Bowl. But more than likely we’ll ride status quo because he is the man to consistently win AFC South Champion banners and/or get this team the opening wildcard round ESPN Saturday time slot playoff game.
 
JB said:
For me the most disappointing is that the defense couldn't get a stop when their life depended on it
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Agree with that.
Yes a young, inexperienced QB still practically a rookie with no post season experience with a below average OLine in front of him, with all of his vet receivers out or injured can be excused for a bad P/O game but the play of the defense yesterday is something else again altogether.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Man, I wonder if bust is the right description.....maybe scheme plays a bigger part. I wouldn't part with Watt since he had a hell of a rebound season. As for Clowney and Mercilus......my biggest concern, they're playing for a paycheck and once it's given they'll regress on the field or find reasons to be on injured list. I think both Clowney and Mercilus are expendable and their replacements can be found in the draft. Remember, both of these guys were DE's in college and converted to OLB's by the Texans.
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Y’all Gotta chill nobody we draft is gonna do what Clowney does. Yes he makes bone head mistakes sometimes but hell the entire defense shows they all do. Clowney literally disrupts offensives lines. He’s not the best pass rusher but definitely a good one and we already know what he does against the run. I’ll never understand why he gets such a bad rap our fan base.
 
The series that turned the game was when we were behind 21-0 and we had 4th and 2 inside their ten and Watson threw a bad pass into the end zone. It was a horrible play call when a first down would have kept the drive going. Going into half time with a 21-7 score would have made all of the difference in the game. If we had an OC, there would have been time for him to consider everything. BOB just can't do everything himself. An OC is a "Must Have" next year.
 
This is the only stat that matter.. He should be gone.

"During his tenure, Houston has played 38 games against teams finishing with a winning record. The Texans have gone 11-27 in those affairs. Come the postseason, O’Brien has a 1-3 mark with the lone win coming against Connor Cook and the Raiders."
 
Jadmakaveli said:
Y’all Gotta chill nobody we draft is gonna do what Clowney does. Yes he makes bone head mistakes sometimes but hell the entire defense shows they all do. Clowney literally disrupts offensives lines. He’s not the best pass rusher but definitely a good one and we already know what he does against the run. I’ll never understand why he gets such a bad rap our fan base.
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He and his agent are going to demand #1 NFL EDGE money or more. He's not that player and may not have the desire or inner-drive to be that player. Rather than lock up any money on this guy, I'd trade him for picks and based on this years defensive talent in the draft.....yeah, I think the Texans could find his replacement for a rookie contract that spans 4 years.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
He and his agent are going to demand #1 NFL EDGE money or more. He's not that player and may not have the desire or inner-drive to be that player. Rather than lock up any money on this guy, I'd trade him for picks and based on this years defensive talent in the draft.....yeah, I think the Texans could find his replacement for a rookie contract that spans 4 years.
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I definitely understand what your saying. What would be a deal that you’d offer him that would benefit both sides? He knows he ain’t getting that type of money.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
He and his agent are going to demand #1 NFL EDGE money or more. He's not that player and may not have the desire or inner-drive to be that player. Rather than lock up any money on this guy, I'd trade him for picks and based on this years defensive talent in the draft.....yeah, I think the Texans could find his replacement for a rookie contract that spans 4 years.
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So why would anyone else give up their pick for him?
 
bigmck said:
He would be hired within a week if not sooner. The same statements were made about Kubiak.
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Kubiak didn’t get a HC job right after being fired in Houston. He went to Baltimore as the OC. My point was as HC. Sure, some desperate team might bring him in as their OC.
 
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JB said:
So why would anyone else give up their pick for him?
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B/c that's what NFL owners and GM's do.....confound us with their decisions. Clowney has trade value and it only matters to Cal and Gaine as to what they determine his trade value to be.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
B/c that's what NFL owners and GM's do.....confound us with their decisions. Clowney has trade value and it only matters to Cal and Gaine as to what they determine his trade value to be.
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But if he wants better than franchise money, and they can get a younger cheaper replacement?
 
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