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Or at least have TEs that are good at blocking.
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FIRE O'BRIEN NOW!!!
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Lets see what you want
1. Quick passes
2. Watson to roll out taking away 1/2 the field
3. Passes to the TE, so the OT's will be left on an island
4. Using 6 OL, which directly opposes the above.
5. Watson running the ball more
6. Running the ball outside more, despite the OT's being lousy and the young TE's still learning to block.
7. More screens, even though they rarely work
If I missed something get back to me.
Yet they still managed to win 11 games and score a bunch of pts.
So do you think they're going to win Saturday? How about next week against the Patriots.
Keep in mind you're telling me we won 11 games & scored a bunch of points. Despite the lack of talent on the OL.
Now, I never said I want Watson to run the ball more. I do like that he's keeping it more often on the zone read, but that's because BO'b decided we will run the ZR, & if he never keeps it, like at the beginning of the season, it doesn't help the run game.
I would like to move the pocket. Get Watson away from at least one edge rusher. Cut off half the field, yes. But should give you more time to make good decisions. Watch how many times KC does it, or the Rams, or Wentz with the Eagles. Don't do it every snap. You have to pick your spots. Mix it in with play fakes & bootlegs.
& if you have two TEs & keep them in to block... sit one of them & put a 6th OL I his place, especially if the TEs can't block. Or, if you lost two WRs to injury & the guys you brought in to replace them happen to get injured as well, put the 6th OL on the line & split the converted WR out.
I'll have to take your word that BO'b can't coach the 22 players he selected for this offense to run a RB screen as I've only seen them try once. But judging by the other things our offense lacks I have to agree with you. Coaching sucks.
Thank God Watson & Hopkins are some lemonade making SOBs. Can't wait till Gaine has a full offseason & complement of draft picks to find more guys who can make sht happen Despite poor coaching.
& probably won't change your mind, but just about all the stuff you've been saying we can't do because of the lack of talent on the OL, we did at the end of the Jags game, or some other game this season.
The phins game. First game I gave BO'b credit for creatively getting the RBs the ball in the run game. Pitches, tosses, stretches, as opposed to straight dives.
He's done a good job at times, moments, utilizing the talent on this team that would make this offense on par with the best in the league if only he'd let them.
Hopefully he's doing just enough, but with so many one score games... he's either got balls of steel or he's actually the smartest gut in the room.
If he comes out Saturday with a "game plan" offense that has the Colts on their heels all game, I'll concede to both.
Well, I'm just glad you aren't running the team, because I have doubts if they would be the best offense in the league if you just let them.
Texas Jake
Rookie
Maybe he ran those plays so the opposition would have to take the possibility of Watson running seriously when we get in the playoffs. If they are worried about the QB keeper, that will setup the option.
And maybe they could tell also.
could tell what?
Which I disagree with.
Gotta keep him away from harms way and hopefully he wont do something crazy like start taking on LB's.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
The twilight zone of Bill Obrien Supporters: "Keep Watson out of harms way, or he will take on LBs?" LMAO .. what kind of sense does that make? Yeah lets just take this designed QB run on the goal line that this imbecile just called and tell the QB 'dont run at the LB okay run at the smaller defenders who wont hurt you as bad' ridiculous.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
https://texanswire.usatoday.com/201...son-figuring-relationship-texans-bill-obrien/
Bless your heart Deshaun the extent that you will go to cover for your coach. If you guys cant get on the same page then ButtCrack McQuack can hit the road!! Its a no brainer who you keep in a battle of wills in a 'cant see eye to eye' scenario. Bill already ran off the GM and many coaches so his excuses are running out faster then his brigade can create them! Stay Tuned! (ive given up on being civil and objective when it comes to OBrien - doesnt work when the narrative being driven is that OBRIEN is the catalyst for this season - NOPE, CANT DO IT -- now Im smashing his ass with everything I have UNTIL he proves he's worth a damn (still remains to be seen).
Insert Bill OBrien Excuse #1,00,234.004 here __________.
Bless your heart Deshaun the extent that you will go to cover for your coach. If you guys cant get on the same page then ButtCrack McQuack can hit the road!! Its a no brainer who you keep in a battle of wills in a 'cant see eye to eye' scenario. Bill already ran off the GM and many coaches so his excuses are running out faster then his brigade can create them! Stay Tuned! (ive given up on being civil and objective when it comes to OBrien - doesnt work when the narrative being driven is that OBRIEN is the catalyst for this season - NOPE, CANT DO IT -- now Im smashing his ass with everything I have UNTIL he proves he's worth a damn (still remains to be seen).
Insert Bill OBrien Excuse #1,00,234.004 here __________.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Seems to me that we are scoring enough points to win most games.
Why is RAC getting a pass when the Eagles game was in hand with two + minutes left and the D turned into swiss cheese?
Why is RAC getting a pass when the Eagles game was in hand with two + minutes left and the D turned into swiss cheese?
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
https://texanswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/01/bill-obrien-message-fans-not-confident-texans/
Here's what OBrien thinks about the fans and why you should love him:
LMAO yeah Billy you've really given this franchise and the fans a ton of reasons why there should be unconditional support because of ALLLL the games this team comes out flat and uninspired, yes BiLLy the fans are the problem here. Educate yourself on Houston football heartbreak and history and then wonder why this fanbase is as jilted as it is. Idiot.
#INDESHAUNITRUST
Here's what OBrien thinks about the fans and why you should love him:
LMAO yeah Billy you've really given this franchise and the fans a ton of reasons why there should be unconditional support because of ALLLL the games this team comes out flat and uninspired, yes BiLLy the fans are the problem here. Educate yourself on Houston football heartbreak and history and then wonder why this fanbase is as jilted as it is. Idiot.
#INDESHAUNITRUST
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Seems to me that we are scoring enough points to win most games.
Why is RAC getting a pass when the Eagles game was in hand with two + minutes left and the D turned into swiss cheese?
Where is RAC getting a pass? This is not an either or. Both O & D could have done better, should have done better.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Narratives, anectdotes, 'cool stories bro', you know that whole 'Krooked Kubiak, Fake News (stats), and Witch Hunt (Poor Obrien) segment.
RAC has been drug through the mud plenty in this very thread, but its not convenient to point out anything OTHER THAN how good of a job OBRIEN is doing. Thats it, nobody else had any say in it, not the players, not the other coaches, not the scouts or the GM .. Everything we have is because of Bill OBrien. God have mercy on him if he finds a way to lose this game on Saturday, but still it will be because of all the other factors and not because of anything he did. (and we were all learning how to play so well with one another, actual, productive dialogue - down the crapper lol)
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Lets put some stats and numbers in on the fun!! Yay!
obscure coaching metrics do exist! Here you go... safe to say that Bill OBrien owes EVERYTHING to Deshaun Watson. EVERYTHING!
According to the metrics offered on this site Mr Buttchin 'improved' from the 21st ranked Head Coach in 2017 to the 12th in 2018 .. woo hooooo!! Pop that champagne boys we have a mediocre coach!! Of course it was because his offense was so creative and he has a jedi mind trick that nobody knows about that will actually make the opposing head coach behave irregular and do things that ultimately cost them the game!! Who would have known? Bill OBrien is a Jedi Knight from Bleep Blorp!
https://www.headcoachranking.com/coach-detail/?coach_id=783&season=2018
and how he compares to his contemporaries:
https://www.headcoachranking.com/ne...n-clinches-no-1-spot-head-coach-ranking-2018/
obscure coaching metrics do exist! Here you go... safe to say that Bill OBrien owes EVERYTHING to Deshaun Watson. EVERYTHING!
According to the metrics offered on this site Mr Buttchin 'improved' from the 21st ranked Head Coach in 2017 to the 12th in 2018 .. woo hooooo!! Pop that champagne boys we have a mediocre coach!! Of course it was because his offense was so creative and he has a jedi mind trick that nobody knows about that will actually make the opposing head coach behave irregular and do things that ultimately cost them the game!! Who would have known? Bill OBrien is a Jedi Knight from Bleep Blorp!
https://www.headcoachranking.com/coach-detail/?coach_id=783&season=2018
and how he compares to his contemporaries:
https://www.headcoachranking.com/ne...n-clinches-no-1-spot-head-coach-ranking-2018/
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Lol, you got the bolded right.
But its one thing to develop tunnel vision to the point you're being irrational (K-dog, Santo, Texansballer and a few others) It's another to offer balance thoughts. Most BoB "supporters" offer balance thoughts & You yourself have been fairly balanced..until recently.
It just comes down to this saying:
Success has many fathers but failure is an orphan..... & we know who the Texans fan base is making play the role of Oliver Twist when the team loses or doesn't win spectacularly.
Nothing new amongst fan bases really...The inverse of this is what you see in the NBA amongst the Lebron James Horde....He's the GOAT...... when great things are happening....but nothing is ever his fault when the team falls into disarray or they lose.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
umm tell me how this is different from pretty much every HC in history not named Paul Brown? Subjective as hell. And i bet you won't go to the Ravens messageboard & post this..You'd get eaten alive lol.
H_Town_Gaucho
Waterboy
Sorry guys, but OB can't beat his old boss in New England, so it really doesn't matter what they do this Saturday.
Yours truly,
Train Wreck Debby Downer Part Time Fan To The Stars
Yours truly,
Train Wreck Debby Downer Part Time Fan To The Stars
Texas Jake
Rookie
I am going out on a limb and predicting a win Saturday and a win the following week in NE.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Ok seriously man I am starting to worry about your health. Personally whenever I find myself getting this worked up over something I am suppose to be doing/watching for fun I step away from it.
Just ask yourself ultimately what will it really matter if the Texans win or lose? I mean when the Astros won it was cool to watch with the family, cool to see the parade and people at work were in a good mood that week. A week later it was back to the way it was before and mostly I just had a new hat. Sports are fun but unless you are on a team or have family on a team then that's all they are. They don't really, or shouldn't at least, affect your daily life.
Also you can't say how others are being irrational then go on a rant like that, kind of undercuts your whole arguement.
Texansballer74
The Marine
A balanced thought. Bwhahaha too damn funny.
Ok if that truly helps you sleep at night.
When Watson gets hurt I'm going to LOL my a$$ off at you in particular. Even though you will blame him getting hurt on anything but Watson. Fact is he took on Jaylen Smith earlier and suffered broken ribs. I would rather plays be called that limit those opportunities.
I used to get so worked up.
It wasn't the winning or losing that got to me though. It was that I couldn't get everyone to agree with me.
I mean, I agree BO'b had his work cut out for him. He's got serious issues on his OL. But just like we can see Davenport doesn't have elite feet... we can see issues with BO'bs offensive acumen.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
It matters because this is what we choose to invest our time in. If you're a Marvel fan and they put out a movie that sucks, you're pissed they wasted your time. Are you over it in a few hours or so? Yes. For after all it's just entertainment.
The world kept spinning when the Astros won the WS, but I'll never forget the time spent with friends and family going through that season and those playoffs. That was fun, a good use of my time for a change. The Rockets championships didn't change anything overall in life, but the time I chose to invest in it was so worth it.
It's about your time. Time is valuable. If that time isn't put to good use, then your pissed for a minute, but then you get on with life. If you're kicking dogs and beating women over a sporting event though, then you've got some bigger issues.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Of course that would be overkill. That's what the neighbor's cat is for.
Be careful, I might kill over my "cat"
"Took on"? Running for the corner and getting outran for a spot isn't exactly Earl Campbell aiming for LB chests.
For the record -I agree that "designed QB runs" are the riskiest thing this team can do. Watson goes down and we're done.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
LOL ... reality here is like in the movie Inception .. it can be whatever they want it to be! Kind of like yesterday when someone suggested OBrien calling QB designed runs was a good idea, only that Watson should not aim for the LBs .. how does it go @Texansballer74 "bwahahaha"
.. OBrien has even run the old college option on the goal line leaving Watson EXPOSED .. but its Deshauns fault, and HE needs to correct it, not the genius who's calling in the play - he's immune. Watson is going to run, he's going to extend plays by scrambling .. thats ingrained in his DNA. He's shown a much more concerted effort to avoid big contact and slide appropriately. He was 'hurt' but never missed a game, that in itself speaks volumes too.
LOL ... reality here is like in the movie Inception .. it can be whatever they want it to be! Kind of like yesterday when someone suggested OBrien calling QB designed runs was a good idea, only that Watson should not aim for the LBs .. how does it go @Texansballer74 "bwahahaha"
Watson is going to run, he's going to extend plays by scrambling .. thats ingrained in his DNA. He's shown a much more concerted effort to avoid big contact and slide appropriately. He was 'hurt' but never missed a game, that in itself speaks volumes too.
I guess your in the turn Watson loose crowd.
It's going to be lovely around here when he gets hurt. BOB is doing exactly what posters like you have been calling for all season. Yet when Watson gets hurt you will be the first calling for BOB's head.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Some people be tripping around here. Come on Bill Obrien eull run Watson . Watson will call his own number. That is apart of the game plan period.
What the fans want is irrelevant. Nobody and I mean nobody wants Watson or any other of our players to get hurt.
People been calling for O'brien's head around here. Bwhahaha where the heck have you been Steel?
What the fans want is irrelevant. Nobody and I mean nobody wants Watson or any other of our players to get hurt.
People been calling for O'brien's head around here. Bwhahaha where the heck have you been Steel?
I’m not sure what the “turn Watson loose crowd” you’re referring to wants but for me it has nothing to do with having Watson run the ball into the teeth of the defense. I have no problem with Watson scrambling and taking off with the ball if nothing is open down field. In fact I would like to see some boot legs and designed rollouts and give Watson the green light to make things happen with safety in mind. You know, don’t take unnecessary hits.
For me it’s more about opening up the play book and allow him to go back to what he was so successful at early on. We can’t spend the first half trying to establish the run. This is the team that exposed our running game. Use the pass to open up the run. This is the playoffs! It’s now or never. The colts are going to stop our run game. We better have a plan for that or this season is over.
Agreed
So what do you call on 3rd/4th and short on Saturday?
A big part of BOB's playbook is going to be using Watson as a tailback. I hope he also throws a pass of of that play. You can also expect QB option plays. BOB is going for it. I hope he takes risks during the game on 4th downs as well.
You mean plays like those that used to buy club footed jakeleg Schaub three days to throw the ball ?
EXACTLY!!!!!!
That's who Kubiak handpicked to be his QB.
bigmck
Rookie
When Watson takes off around an end, it seems like it would be the perfect time to toss to a trailing back. I recall seeing a back in position on a couple of plays but don't recall the pitch being made. Have they ever made an attempt to run a true Option Play?
Last yr they did.
Not that I can remember this yr. That's probably because Watson was playing with broken ribs/punctured lung.
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Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Yup they do it in several ways, last game being the 'smarter' of the two with actual lead blocking and options to pitch. There was game early in the year (cant remember which one) where OBrien called the old college/high school option with the QB leading the back into an unblocked defender. Deshaun made the pitch to minimal gain, but I was astounded that OBrien would allow Watson to be hit unimpeded by the edge defender. Only time I can remember a professional team running that type of option until the RAvens started doing it a ton with Jackson, but Jackson is on another level of speed at the QB position. Deshaun is fast, but he aint Jackson fast thats for sure (4.3 at Louisville pro day).
He was just unleashing Watson which is what many on here wanted him to do and I'm LOL'ing my a** off.
There's no pleasing some around here.
banned1976
sleeper mode
Pitch forks are being sharpened this morning. Rope is being strung from the trees. The fires are stoked, ready for the poles and twine. The chickens have been plucked, the tar is in the pot getting warm.
It’s playoff time in Houston!
It’s playoff time in Houston!
Let's get on with the tarring and feathering. OB is getting flat out schooled by a rookie head coach. Hopefully Cal is watching and understanding what he's seeing.
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