Teddy Bridgewater

[BullNation4Life]

If Texans draft Bridgwater #1 over all, they will have got it wrong 3 different times they have had the #1 pick in the Draft.

None of the QB's in this draft are worthy of the #1 draft pick. If they draft him, this is what think is going to happen over the next 4 years...

Year 1 - Bridgewater makes some plays, shows flashes of brilliance, Texans are 6-10 and give fans hope

Year 2 - Defenses now are corralling Bridgewater, he has a sophomore slump, Texans are 7-9, fans still have hope

Year 3 - Bridgewater has not improved from previous year, making same mistakes in reads as he did his first 2 years, fans starting to doubt
Texans go 6-10

Year 4 - Bridgewater is replaced by mid season, contract not extended and he is a back up for another team the next year and the Texans are looking for another QB
Texans are 5-11 and coach is replaced, again...

By year 3, I will have moved on from the Texans until Bob McNair pulls his head out of his arse and learns how to get a real coach and not some morel standard...

 

[PapaL]

If Texans draft Bridgwater #1 over all, they will have got it wrong 3 different times they have had the #1 pick in the Draft.

None of the QB's in this draft are worthy of the #1 draft pick. If they draft him, this is what think is going to happen over the next 4 years...

Year 1 - Bridgewater makes some plays, shows flashes of brilliance, Texans are 6-10 and give fans hope

Year 2 - Defenses now are corralling Bridgewater, he has a sophomore slump, Texans are 7-9, fans still have hope

Year 3 - Bridgewater has not improved from previous year, making same mistakes in reads as he did his first 2 years, fans starting to doubt
Texans go 6-10

Year 4 - Bridgewater is replaced by mid season, contract not extended and he is a back up for another team the next year and the Texans are looking for another QB
Texans are 5-11 and coach is replaced, again...

By year 3, I will have moved on from the Texans until Bob McNair pulls his head out of his arse and learns how to get a real coach and not some morel standard...

HWSBN - Should have taken Peppers; obvious.

Mario - should have taken who exactly? Bush and VY were the "top" choices at the time.

I'm not saying Bridewater is the answer but saying we screwed up every #1 is kind of far fetched especially when Young and Bush were the other options.

 

[BullNation4Life]

HWSBN - Should have taken Peppers; obvious.

Mario - should have taken who exactly? Bush and VY were the "top" choices at the time.

I'm not saying Bridewater is the answer but saying we screwed up every #1 is kind of far fetched especially when Young and Bush were the other options.

Ok I retract that statement, 2006, in retrospect, they got it "right" not by picking the best player, but by lack of options, being VY is out of the league and Bush is on his 3rd team. Mario had a very lack luster career here in Houston.

Personally, I think the franchise QB the Texans wanted went back to Oregon and now they are in a position to either take the player they liked 2nd or get a vet to play QB and trade back...

Problem is you don't take the guy you liked 2nd #1 overall. Unless Bridgewater turns into another Warren Moon, which I guess could happen, I don't think he is worth the #1 pick.

 

[Texian]

Geno Smith was much closer to Texas Tech offense than he is Louisville offense.

As for their rushes, if you use that argument you might as well say that Teddy B rushes a similar amount of times to any pocket QB, the only comparison I see between Teddy B and Geno is they are both black QBs.

Teddy extends plays with his feet while still looking downfield for his playmakers which I love, a lot like Ben Ro (minus taking the big hits every play). If you are going to compare Teddy to any quarterback who has a question mark next to what they will do in the NFL ranks it's Blake Bortles, which you've come out and said you love.

Also, don't fall in love with that semi-rushing ability of Bortles. That 4.9 speed and RG3 size will lead to a lot of missed games if he doesn't give that up quick.

Leach last 3 years at Texas Tech:
Rushing Attempts = 848 = 30% ; Passing Attempts = 1967 = 70%

Louisville last 3 years:
Rushing Attempts = 1352 = 52%; Passing Attempts = 1231 = 48%

West Virginia Geno's last 3 years:
Rushing Attempts = 1404 = 49%; Passing attempts = 1461 = 51%

RUSHING
Teddy Bridgewater (3 yrs) = rushing yds 146 yd/5 TDs
Geno Smith (3 yrs) = rushing yds 335 yds/4 TDs
Blake Bortles (2 yrs) = rushing yds 464/13 TDs
Andrew Luck (3 yrs) = 957 yds/7 TDs

Rushing and Passing attempts are team totals not individual. Teddy and Geno were part of a much more balanced offense than any Leach "Air Raid" Red Raider team.

 

[TexansFTW]

When you have a "solid", not great, but solid team all around and your biggest glaring weakness is at the QB position AND you have the #1 pick with a franchise QB available, there is no decision.

I see the arguments here that Teddy B is not "franchise" material, but most reputable "expert" draft guys I follow disagree. Regardless, it's not a decision, it's a mandate. Just don't give the guy #8 to wear on his jersey.

In response to your playing out the next 4 seasons scenario, I got one for you too, I added a 5th year for good measure as well. In this scenario we draft Jadaveon Clowney:

Year Wins Losses Ties Playoffs
2010 6 10 0 Nope
2009 9 7 0 Nope
2008 8 8 0 Nope
2007 8 8 0 Nope
2006 6 10 0 Nope

Also in this scenario, the coach will get a contract extension after 2009 and be rewarded with many more undeserved seasons and NOT be let go.

The above scenario I did was a real life example, you might recognize it.

 

[michaelm]

Texas A&M UniversityVerified account ‏@TAMU

RT @aggiefootball: Take a look at Johnny Manziel's passing improvements since his Heisman winning campaign #12thman pic.twitter.com/7JKpOOepyA

https://twitter.com/TAMU/status/409842438229204992

INT: 2012-9 / 2013-13
RAW QBR: 2012-86.4 / 2013-78.9
ADJ QBR: 2012-90.5 / 2013-84.5
Rushing: 2012-1410 / 2013-686
Rush TD: 2012-21 / 2013-8

 

[TexansFTW]

Leach last 3 years at Texas Tech:
Rushing Attempts = 848 = 30% ; Passing Attempts = 1967 = 70%

Louisville last 3 years:
Rushing Attempts = 1352 = 52%; Passing Attempts = 1231 = 48%

West Virginia Geno's last 3 years:
Rushing Attempts = 1404 = 49%; Passing attempts = 1461 = 51%

RUSHING
Teddy Bridgewater (3 yrs) = rushing yds 146 yd/5 TDs
Geno Smith (3 yrs) = rushing yds 335 yds/4 TDs
Blake Bortles (2 yrs) = rushing yds 464/13 TDs
Andrew Luck (3 yrs) = 957 yds/7 TDs

Rushing and Passing attempts are team totals not individual. Teddy and Geno were part of a much more balanced offense than any Leach Red Raider team.

1st year of the 3 years skews the stats quite a bit. Those years didn't really matter. Let's only take away from them that both players grew as QBs and developed from their first year to their 2nd years.

Teddy B (last 2 years) = 801 pass attempts

Bortles (last 2 years) = 750 Pass attempts

Geno S (last 2 years) = 1044 pass attempts

Big difference. Did I mention Geno had a WR who had 70+ rushing attempts his final year there. You only show Bortles 2 years of stats, but he had a 3rd year too, just wasn't good enough to outright beat a guy who will probably be an accountant somewhere next year. BTW, all stats can be manipulated to prove a point.

I know Bortles rushes more, but he's more comparable to Teddy B than Geno is what I'm saying. If he thinks he can run w/ similar success like he's had in college as a pro he will find himself in Brian Hoyer's shoes on a training table. Andrew Luck has 10 more pounds and runs a 40 ~0.3 seconds faster too, the comparison between those two's running styles is non-existent IMO.

 

[Corrosion]

When you have a "solid", not great, but solid team all around and your biggest glaring weakness is at the QB position AND you have the #1 pick with a franchise QB available, there is no decision.

I don't disagree with the thought process at all. Either you have a franchise QB or you don't. This team doesn't.

I see the arguments here that Teddy B is not "franchise" material, but most reputable "expert" draft guys I follow disagree. Regardless, it's not a decision, it's a mandate. Just don't give the guy #8 to wear on his jersey.

Im not going to say "Bridgewater wont be a franchise QB" but .... I just don't see him being one of the top 5 elite QB's in the league in the future.

What I see is a guy much like Schaub at his best , a step or two below those elite QB's.

You can get that type of QB without spending the #1 overall pick in the draft on him.

As for all those "experts" .... they have been wrong many many times in the past. Most of them are self serving in their analysis of these players - looking for clicks / facetime . Hell many of them don't have any real football experience.

In response to your playing out the next 4 seasons scenario, I got one for you too, I added a 5th year for good measure as well. In this scenario we draft Jadaveon Clowney:

Year Wins Losses Ties Playoffs
2010 6 10 0 Nope
2009 9 7 0 Nope
2008 8 8 0 Nope
2007 8 8 0 Nope
2006 6 10 0 Nope

Also in this scenario, the coach will get a contract extension after 2009 and be rewarded with many more undeserved seasons and NOT be let go.

The above scenario I did was a real life example, you might recognize it.

Yeah , and that so called franchise QB we could have drafted instead of .... Clowney in this scenario is .... out of the league. :vincepalm:

 

[TexansFTW]

What I see is a guy much like Schaub at his best , a step or two below those elite QB's.

Completely disagree, I value your opinion though, so that's fine.

You can get that type of QB without spending the #1 overall pick in the draft on him.

You can, your probability of doing so successfully just decreases exponentially though, and I think it's safe to say that is THE most important position in the new NFL.

As for all those "experts" .... they have been wrong many many times in the past. Most of them are self serving in their analysis of these players - looking for clicks / facetime . Hell many of them don't have any real football experience.

I hear you, I'm not going off of ESPN though if that matters.

Yeah , and that so called franchise QB we could have drafted instead of .... Clowney in this scenario is .... out of the league. :vincepalm:

Don't get me wrong here, I agree with your point in theory, but my hands are tied and I had to do this after you facepalmed me...

2007 - 10-6 - playoff appearance

Young was never gonna be a Texan though, and Young is not Bridge by a long shot. Young is closer to Tebow than he is Bridge.

I've been a thread hog lately, I need to try to back off a little. Yall have a good one.

 

[PapaL]

Ok I retract that statement, 2006, in retrospect, they got it "right" not by picking the best player, but by lack of options, being VY is out of the league and Bush is on his 3rd team. Mario had a very lack luster career here in Houston.

Personally, I think the franchise QB the Texans wanted went back to Oregon and now they are in a position to either take the player they liked 2nd or get a vet to play QB and trade back...

Problem is you don't take the guy you liked 2nd #1 overall. Unless Bridgewater turns into another Warren Moon, which I guess could happen, I don't think he is worth the #1 pick.

It just seems that every year we pick #1 there's a QB and DE slotted as the "best player". Both QBs, in hindsight, have been a disaster and the DE's have been Great and...$100M to Bills. If our short history is any indicator on the future success of these two, I'm taking Clowney hahaha. I can't deal with another HWSBN scenario...then again another eyar of Case/Schaub would be bad too.

 

[Texian]

Teddy B throws over 100 times less in their last 2 years in college.

the only comparison I see between Teddy B and Geno is they are both black QBs.

If you are going to compare Teddy to any quarterback who has a question mark next to what they will do in the NFL ranks it's Blake Bortles, which you've come out and said you love.

Also, don't fall in love with that semi-rushing ability of Bortles. That 4.9 speed and RG3 size will lead to a lot of missed games if he doesn't give that up quick.

Black has nothing to do with it. I did compare Bridgewater's arm to Landry Jones. Both throw a very similar "FLOATER".

I'm guessing Bortles runs closer to a 4.7 than a 4.9. Mettenberger yes, Bortles, I don't think so.

Geno ran a 4.56 and I'm guessing Bridgewater will be closer to a 4.65.

Bortles is the same size as Luck, Both are 6'4" Bortles weighs 230, Luck 234. RGIII 6'2" 223

Teddy B (last 2 years) = 801 pass attempts

Bortles (last 2 years) = 750 Pass attempts

Geno S (last 2 years) = 1044 pass attempts

Big difference.

Not really, over the course of two years that is a difference of 2 passes per quarter. However Leach and WVU ran more plays than Louisville (up tempo, no huddle) so that accounts for the 2 passing plays per quarter.

 

[BullNation4Life]

It just seems that every year we pick #1 there's a QB and DE slotted as the "best player". Both QBs, in hindsight, have been a disaster and the DE's have been Great and...$100M to Bills. If our short history is any indicator on the future success of these two, I'm taking Clowney hahaha. I can't deal with another HWSBN scenario...then again another eyar of Case/Schaub would be bad too.

Here is something to ponder, what if HWSNBN's brother has a great training camp, Texans pass on him solely because of the name, and he ends up in like Tennessee and is the best QB out of the draft and taking the Titans to the playoffs every year, killing the Texans for the next 10 years...

Talk about irony...

 

[TexansSeminole]

Not really, over the course of two years that is a difference of 2 passes per quarter. However Leach and WVU ran more plays than Louisville (up tempo, no huddle) so that accounts for the 2 passing plays per quarter.

Oh, you know, a 30% increase is not that much of an increase. Lol, too funny.

I try not to engage you, but you are just so ridiculous it's like impulse for me to respond.

 

[Texian]

Oh, you know, a 30% increase is not that much of an increase. Lol, too funny.

I try not to engage you, but you are just so ridiculous it's like impulse for me to respond.

Apparently you're having difficulty understanding up tempo and no huddle means more plays. That doesn't necessarily effect the balance of the offense. You're in college, you can't understand this and you think this is funny? No it's not really funny or ridiculous, it's worrisome. There are a couple of reason why WVU threw a tad more than they ran but if you can't understand up tempo no huddle I doubt you could understand those reasons. I'd just be wasting my time to post them. And remember I respond to post in a manner in which I'm responded to. That's why I am exchanging pleasantries in a similar manner as you. You love my posts and you know it. It's the first thing you look for when you sign in.
Don't you have a kegger you need to attend?

 

[TexansSeminole]

Lolbravo

 

[TexansFTW]

Black has nothing to do with it. I did compare Bridgewater's arm to Landry Jones. Both throw a very similar "FLOATER".

I'm guessing Bortles runs closer to a 4.7 than a 4.9. Mettenberger yes, Bortles, I don't think so.

Geno ran a 4.56 and I'm guessing Bridgewater will be closer to a 4.65.

Bortles is the same size as Luck, Both are 6'4" Bortles weighs 230, Luck 234. RGIII 6'2" 223



Not really, over the course of two years that is a difference of 2 passes per quarter. However Leach and WVU ran more plays than Louisville (up tempo, no huddle) so that accounts for the 2 passing plays per quarter.

1. 4.78 – I took his 40 high to skew the stat in my favor. I doubt you’d disagree with that style of thinking

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=105489&draftyear=2015&genpos=QB

2. I highly doubt you “guessed” a 4.65. Regardless, he is faster, but prefers not to run. This is a great quality for a guy that loves to look downfield to find the true playmakers on the football field instead of scrambling for 5 yards and getting smashed.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=119428&draftyear=2015&genpos=QB

3. Luck is 6’4” and 240.

Every place I see that gives close accuracy has Bortles at 6’3” and 227-230.

4. Finally, being a super up tempo, no huddle team completely invalidates the point they run similar offenses IMO. That’s just as big of a difference as run/pass ratio, or taking snaps under center as opposed to spread out wide in the shotgun.

 

[thunderkyss]

Here is something to ponder, what if HWSNBN's brother has a great training camp, Texans pass on him solely because of the name, and he ends up in like Tennessee and is the best QB out of the draft and taking the Titans to the playoffs every year, killing the Texans for the next 10 years...

Talk about irony...

Who cares?

Is anyone talking about him being the best QB in this class? The second best?

Chances are we're going to be selecting the first QB of the 2014 draft, maybe the second. Unless he's in that conversation, it doesn't matter. We should be drafting the best, or the second best QB prospect in this up coming draft.

If we're picking first or second, no one is going to fault the Texans for not picking the 5th/6th best QB in the draft.

 

[BullNation4Life]

Who cares?

Is anyone talking about him being the best QB in this class? The second best?

Chances are we're going to be selecting the first QB of the 2014 draft, maybe the second. Unless he's in that conversation, it doesn't matter. We should be drafting the best, or the second best QB prospect in this up coming draft.

If we're picking first or second, no one is going to fault the Texans for not picking the 5th/6th best QB in the draft.

First off pull the stick out of your ass and lighten the F up! The comment was in jest...

Second, after the Bowl games and combine, he very well could shoot right to the top of the draft board, then what smart ass? You gonna tell me the Texans are gonna pick Derek Carr #1 overall after the absolute debacle they had with his brother and helicopter father? NO F'ing WAY!

Just because they are not talking about him now, doesn't mean they won't be after the Senior Bowl or his workouts. Nobody was talking about Eric Fisher, I damn sure never heard of him, until AFTER the combine, where did he go again?

 

[infantrycak]

Oh, you know, a 30% increase is not that much of an increase. Lol, too funny.

I try not to engage you, but you are just so ridiculous it's like impulse for me to respond.

LOL - he knows it is a significant increase which is why he broke it into quarters to make the number look small.

Apparently you're having difficulty understanding up tempo and no huddle means more plays.

Sure it does. That's why the Eagles are 10th in the league in offensive plays run and the Texans are 3rd. Even more to the point, the Eagles are 27th in passing plays and the Texans are 4th.

Why not just provide the # of plays and examine whether it accounts for the extra passes?

 

[Texn4life]

INT: 2012-9 / 2013-13
RAW QBR: 2012-86.4 / 2013-78.9
ADJ QBR: 2012-90.5 / 2013-84.5
Rushing: 2012-1410 / 2013-686
Rush TD: 2012-21 / 2013-8

Not trying to prove or disprove what you're attempting to show here but QBR takes into account Quarterback rushing numbers which is why Manziel's numbers there show a decline. It doesn't really support the argument he hasn't developed as a passer. Its a Teddy B thread though so I won't even get into my thoughts on it.

 

[Corrosion]

I guess my biggest issue with Bridgewater is his throwing mechanics , I see a rather long wind up with a slow release .... and he holds the ball somewhat low at times. Not as exaggerated as Tebow but a slow release none the less.

He can get away with that in college especially the level of competition he's faced on a regular basis but that dog wont hunt in the NFL. Any team that drafts him is going to have to clean up his mechanics ....

He definitely has a lot of tools to work with ... but he's got a lot of work to do to get to an NFL level.

 

[powda]

Initial thoughts after watching limited film


Good athlete. Quick feet. I see a stronger then average arm ... not great but better then average. Good mobility while maintaining a pass first mindset and keeping his eyes down field. Stonger then his frame suggest. Solid poise...not elite. Sometimes sloppy mechanics. Ok accuracy. Has the arm downfield but placement seems general...lots of deep balls where defenders and safties have a chance at it...he's raw and could be molded with the right support system ...could be a franchise style qb but it won't happen overnight. Will need some time to grow. Playbook understanding appears average. Not as refined as sam Bradford comming out...not as gifted as rg3.

 

[Corrosion]

Initial thoughts after watching limited film


I see a stronger then average arm ... not great but better then average. Good mobility while maintaining a pass first mindset and keeping his eyes down field. Solid poise...not elite. Sometimes sloppy mechanics. Ok accuracy. Has the arm downfield but placement seems general...lots of deep balls where defenders and safties have a chance at it...he's raw and could be molded with the right support system ...could be a franchise style qb but it won't happen overnight. Will need some time to grow. Playbook understanding appears average. Not as refined as sam Bradford comming out...not as gifted as rg3.

Yep .... lots of risk with a high potential reward.

 

[Texian]

1. 4.78 – I took his 40 high to skew the stat in my favor. I doubt you’d disagree with that style of thinking

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=105489&draftyear=2015&genpos=QB

2. I highly doubt you “guessed” a 4.65. Regardless, he is faster, but prefers not to run. This is a great quality for a guy that loves to look downfield to find the true playmakers on the football field instead of scrambling for 5 yards and getting smashed.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=119428&draftyear=2015&genpos=QB

3. Luck is 6’4” and 240.

Every place I see that gives close accuracy has Bortles at 6’3” and 227-230.

4. Finally, being a super up tempo, no huddle team completely invalidates the point they run similar offenses IMO. That’s just as big of a difference as run/pass ratio, or taking snaps under center as opposed to spread out wide in the shotgun.

I would hope that your "style of thinking" is OBJECTIVE but since you're trying to skew numbers to YOUR FAVOR, sadly I can see that it's not. Objective thinking is absent any bias, prejudice, FAVOR, falling in love with or wishing or wanting a player to be good. Absent Objective Thinking is how mistakes are made and what gets people fired.

Luck at the Combine weighed 234. So Luck is a 1/2" taller and weighs 4 lbs more than Bortles.

 

[powda]

Yep .... lots of risk with a high potential reward.

Would you agree he needs 3/4's to a full season of bench time before being what he can be? I know literally nothing about his mental make up , but the last thing I wanna do is "carr" him. I'd look for a journeyman qb to start if we draft him.

 

[Corrosion]

Would you agree he needs 3/4's to a full season of bench time before being what he can be? I know literally nothing about his mental make up , but the last thing I wanna do is "carr" him. I'd look for a journeyman qb to start if we draft him.

I really cant answer that right now.

I'd have to evaluate his progress on many issues - absorption of the playbook , mechanics & footwork , progressions , reading defenses , understanding protection packages.

At this point , I wouldn't throw him to the wolves .... I'd put him behind a vet in preseason but for how long , I couldn't answer. He may be ready to start week one , it may be half or an entire season. There's a whole lot to learn about QB play in the NFL ....

 

[powda]

I really cant answer that right now.

I'd have to evaluate his progress on many issues - absorption of the playbook , mechanics & footwork , progressions , reading defenses , understanding protection packages.

At this point , I wouldn't throw him to the wolves .... I'd put him behind a vet in preseason but for how long , I couldn't answer. He may be ready to start week one , it may be half or an entire season. There's a whole lot to learn about QB play in the NFL ....

I still want to see things like blitz pick ups or his success against top competition (completion percentage, etc.) I think we all agree he has good tools (not elite!) Personally I'm more concerned about who his oc and qb coach is going to be. Teddys success will be a joint effort. Right place/right time...can we get that just once?

 

[bhsman]

Right place/right time...can we get that just once?

We can, but it doesn't necessarily have to be Teddy. One alternative is to get an injured prospect like Murray or Mettenberger (preferably the latter as his injury doesn't really hurt his playstyle and his arm strength can stretch the field) and have either Case or a vet QB like McCown play for a year/three-quarters of the season while picking up Clowney first overall/trading down for more defensive players. Improving the defense and offensive line is probably the best thing you can do for a young QB.

 

[Corrosion]

We can, but it doesn't necessarily have to be Teddy. One alternative is to get an injured prospect like Murray or Mettenberger (preferably the latter as his injury doesn't really hurt his playstyle and his arm strength can stretch the field) and have either Case or a vet QB like McCown play for a year/three-quarters of the season while picking up Clowney first overall/trading down for more defensive players. Improving the defense and offensive line is probably the best thing you can do for a young QB.

Somehow I knew you would get into this conversation.

 

[bhsman]

Somehow I knew you would get into this conversation.

Well, I'll turn that argument back on itself, then: It doesn't even have to be Clowney. Cleveland has two firsts, if we got those a minimum we could take a guy like Lewan at #7 and shore up the RT spot, or CJ Mosely or Khalil Mack and have a playmaker at ILB next to Cush, or even a guy like Mike Evans and have a Jimmy Graham-esque wideout.

Then, at Indy's ~25th overall pick we could get a guy like Trent Murphy to replace Ninja, an OT if we didn't grab Lewan, Tajh Boyd, or trade it back for more picks, etc.

My point is, this is a good draft to have #1 overall in. Lots of flexibility and a stacked talent pool.

 

[Corrosion]

I still want to see things like blitz pick ups or his success against top competition (completion percentage, etc.) I think we all agree he has good tools (not elite!) Personally I'm more concerned about who his oc and qb coach is going to be. Teddys success will be a joint effort. Right place/right time...can we get that just once?

I do think he's an elite athlete with elite physical tools , that's the only reason I'd consider him as the #1 pick , those physical tools. No he doesn't have the biggest arm but its more than adequate with good touch and plenty of velocity.

What Im not sold on is level of competition , the mental part of the game (reading defenses , protections and others) as well as mechanics.
I really like how he moves around in the pocket ... kinda reminds me a bit of Brady there. But you do have to factor in the level of competition. His internal clock will have to speed up in the NFL.

No doubt about his success being a joint effort. The first thing they have to do is shorten that release and get him to keep the ball up high , ready to come out quickly.

Well, I'll turn that argument back on itself, then: It doesn't even have to be Clowney. Cleveland has two firsts, if we got those a minimum we could take a guy like Lewan at #7 and shore up the RT spot, or CJ Mosely or Khalil Mack and have a playmaker at ILB next to Cush, or even a guy like Mike Evans and have a Jimmy Graham-esque wideout.

Then, at Indy's ~25th overall pick we could get a guy like Trent Murphy to replace Ninja, an OT if we didn't grab Lewan, Tajh Boyd, or trade it back for more picks, etc.

My point is, this is a good draft to have #1 overall in. Lots of flexibility and a stacked talent pool.

That I wouldn't complain about .... I just don't like the idea of @ #1 with all the question marks surrounding him.

 

[michaelm]

Not trying to prove or disprove what you're attempting to show here but QBR takes into account Quarterback rushing numbers which is why Manziel's numbers there show a decline. It doesn't really support the argument he hasn't developed as a passer. Its a Teddy B thread though so I won't even get into my thoughts on it.

Those stats were really posted to satisfy my need for objectivity. Clearly, the person who created that pretty Johnny Football graphic with only his positive statistics was biased. I only meant to present the stats to reflect the whole picture.

 

[Texian]

LOL - he knows it is a significant increase which is why he broke it into quarters to make the number look small.



Sure it does. That's why the Eagles are 10th in the league in offensive plays run and the Texans are 3rd. Even more to the point, the Eagles are 27th in passing plays and the Texans are 4th.

Why not just provide the # of plays and examine whether it accounts for the extra passes?

For starters, I know the difference between the college game and the NFL. It's silly to compare the two. One or two additional passes per quarter does not make a BIG difference, it's even less if you include a full body of work. Of course the bias had to juggle the numbers to skew the numbers in their favor. Your Mr. research if you want to know the number of plays look them up, I have. I told you I am not your research assistant. Bottom line Geno Smith and Teddy Bridgewater played in a much more balanced offense than any Mike Leach "Air Raid" offense. Neither Teddy nor Geno came close to playing in a 70% passing offense. This should keep you LOL for awhile.

 

[powda]

I do think he's an elite athlete with elite physical tools , that's the only reason I'd consider him as the #1 pick , those physical tools. No he doesn't have the biggest arm but its more than adequate with good touch and plenty of velocity.

What Im not sold on is level of competition , the mental part of the game (reading defenses , protections and others) as well as mechanics.
I really like how he moves around in the pocket ... kinda reminds me a bit of Brady there. But you do have to factor in the level of competition. His internal clock will have to speed up in the NFL.

No doubt about his success being a joint effort. The first thing they have to do is shorten that release and get him to keep the ball up high , ready to come out quickly.



That I wouldn't complain about .... I just don't like the idea of @ #1 with all the question marks surrounding him.

Elite is subjective. He doesn't have tools like vick, cam, luck, or 3. Perhaps thats unfair. I need to see more game managment etc. I've surely seen less of him then most of you. I think he COULD become a franchise qb...I'm just not as sold as you sound. I'm not so sold that I wouldn't take clowney or barr instead. Its a long process.

 

[bah007]

I'm not sure that Teddy Bridgewater will be as good an NFL QB as Geno Smith.

......Teddy Bridgewater, 6'3" 205.....................Geno Smith, 6'2" 218

Pass Yards: 9370..........................................11,662
TDs:..........69..............................................98
INTs...........24..............................................21
RAT:..........169.7...........................................163.9
Comp. %:....70.2%.........................................71.2%

I know you're a stats guy. You have even tried to make the argument here that Bridgewater will not be as good as Geno Smith because his college stats aren't as good.

For starters, I know the difference between the college game and the NFL. It's silly to compare the two. One or two additional passes per quarter does not make a BIG difference, it's even less if you include a full body of work. Of course the bias had to juggle the numbers to skew the numbers in their favor. Your Mr. research if you want to know the number of plays look them up, I have. I told you I am not your research assistant. Bottom line Geno Smith and Teddy Bridgewater played in a much more balanced offense than any Mike Leach "Air Raid" offense. Neither Teddy nor Geno came close to playing in a 70% passing offense. This should keep you LOL for awhile.

And yet here, despite using college stats to try to boost your earlier argument, you now admit that it is silly to compare college to the pros (unless it suits your argument, apparently).

You then claim that a couple of extra pass attempts in each quarter does not make a big difference on the numbers. Let me illustrate that it does:

Geno Smith averaged over 8.1 YPA his senior year. With two extra pass attempts per quarter he would get eight extra attempts per game. We could safely assume an average of 8 yards per attempt on those eight throws, which would result in a net gain of 64 yards per game. Over the course of a 12 game season that would lead to a net gain of over 750 passing yards, far from insignificant.

And I'm sure you took all of that into consideration when you tried to make your statistical argument earlier, since it quite clearly bothers you when other posters try to skew the numbers into their favor.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

I know you're a stats guy. You have even tried to make the argument here that Bridgewater will not be as good as Geno Smith because his college stats aren't as good.




And yet here, despite using college stats to try to boost your earlier argument, you now admit that it is silly to compare college to the pros (unless it suits your argument, apparently).

You then claim that a couple of extra pass attempts in each quarter does not make a big difference on the numbers. Let me illustrate that it does:

Geno Smith averaged over 8.1 YPA his senior year. With two extra pass attempts per quarter he would get eight extra attempts per game. We could safely assume an average of 8 yards per attempt on those eight throws, which would result in a net gain of 64 yards per game. Over the course of a 12 game season that would lead to a net gain of over 750 passing yards, far from insignificant.

And I'm sure you took all of that into consideration when you tried to make your statistical argument earlier, since it quite clearly bothers you when other posters try to skew the numbers into their favor.

Texian = Uncle Nate

 

[Texian]

I know you're a stats guy. You have even tried to make the argument here that Bridgewater will not be as good as Geno Smith because his college stats aren't as good.




And yet here, despite using college stats to try to boost your earlier argument, you now admit that it is silly to compare college to the pros (unless it suits your argument, apparently).

You then claim that a couple of extra pass attempts in each quarter does not make a big difference on the numbers. Let me illustrate that it does:

Geno Smith averaged over 8.1 YPA his senior year. With two extra pass attempts per quarter he would get eight extra attempts per game. We could safely assume an average of 8 yards per attempt on those eight throws, which would result in a net gain of 64 yards per game. Over the course of a 12 game season that would lead to a net gain of over 750 passing yards, far from insignificant.

And I'm sure you took all of that into consideration when you tried to make your statistical argument earlier, since it quite clearly bothers you when other posters try to skew the numbers into their favor.

First, you're wrong, I never said Bridgewater would be worse than Geno, I expect Bridgewater to be on par or equal to Geno. That is what started this all in the first place. My biggest complaint against Teddy is he throws an air ball on his deep pass. (AKA Landry Jones) I never compared any Geno NFL stats to Teddy's ONLY Geno's college stats were posted. I don't know where you got that. You must be in love with Teddy or just looking for an argument.

As to your analysis, let me try and make this as simple as I can. When one team runs more offensive plays than another team, there is a very high probability there will be more passing plays and more passing yards by the team that ran more offensive plays. Their offenses are still similarly balanced and still not any thing close to Mike Leach's "Air Raid" 70% passing Offense.

If that doesn't work try this. It doesn't matter whether they ran 100 offensive plays or 1000, Geno and Teddy were much closer to 50% passing plays than Mike Leach's 70% passing plays.

 

[steelbtexan]

HWSBN - Should have taken Peppers; obvious.

Mario - should have taken who exactly? Bush and VY were the "top" choices at the time.

I'm not saying Bridewater is the answer but saying we screwed up every #1 is kind of far fetched especially when Young and Bush were the other options.

Ngata?

 

[bhsman]

Ngata?

Maybe not the sexiest pick at #1 overall, though with hindsight, yeah, that'd be a pretty nice grab. Ngata's one of my favorite players, anyway...

 

[powda]

Ngata?

Cherry picking. At the time he was "roughly" a top ten pick. Now? I'd agree wholeheartedly.

 

[bah007]

I'm not sure that Teddy Bridgewater will be as good an NFL QB as Geno Smith.

......Teddy Bridgewater, 6'3" 205.....................Geno Smith, 6'2" 218

Pass Yards: 9370..........................................11,662
TDs:..........69..............................................98
INTs...........24..............................................21
RAT:..........169.7...........................................163.9
Comp. %:....70.2%.........................................71.2%

First, you're wrong, I never said Bridgewater would be worse than Geno, I expect Bridgewater to be on par or equal to Geno. That is what started this all in the first place. My biggest complaint against Teddy is he throws an air ball on his deep pass. (AKA Landry Jones) I never compared any Geno NFL stats to Teddy's ONLY Geno's college stats were posted. I don't know where you got that. You must be in love with Teddy or just looking for an argument.

As to your analysis, let me try and make this as simple as I can. When one team runs more offensive plays than another team, there is a very high probability there will be more passing plays and more passing yards by the team that ran more offensive plays. Their offenses are still similarly balanced and still not any thing close to Mike Leach's "Air Raid" 70% passing Offense.

I never once mentioned the Air Raid. You are the one who compared the two QBs college stats as part of your argument that you're "not sure that Teddy Bridgewater will be as good an NFL QB as Geno Smith."

In one post you use college stats to support your argument and then in a later post you say that comparisons between college and NFL are silly. Which is it?

As for your analysis in this thread, simplicity isn't an issue. In fact, your take couldn't be more simple.

 

[steelbtexan]

Ok I retract that statement, 2006, in retrospect, they got it "right" not by picking the best player, but by lack of options, being VY is out of the league and Bush is on his 3rd team. Mario had a very lack luster career here in Houston.

Personally, I think the franchise QB the Texans wanted went back to Oregon and now they are in a position to either take the player they liked 2nd or get a vet to play QB and trade back...

Problem is you don't take the guy you liked 2nd #1 overall. Unless Bridgewater turns into another Warren Moon, which I guess could happen, I don't think he is worth the #1 pick.

I hope for the Texans sake and my sanity if Bridgewater is drafted he doesn't turn into another Moon. I cant take many more Buffalo/Denver/Kansas City playoff choke jobs.

 

[WolverineFan]

First, you're wrong, I never said Bridgewater would be worse than Geno, I expect Bridgewater to be on par or equal to Geno. That is what started this all in the first place. My biggest complaint against Teddy is he throws an air ball on his deep pass. (AKA Landry Jones) I never compared any Geno NFL stats to Teddy's ONLY Geno's college stats were posted. I don't know where you got that. You must be in love with Teddy or just looking for an argument.

As to your analysis, let me try and make this as simple as I can. When one team runs more offensive plays than another team, there is a very high probability there will be more passing plays and more passing yards by the team that ran more offensive plays. Their offenses are still similarly balanced and still not any thing close to Mike Leach's "Air Raid" 70% passing Offense.

If that doesn't work try this. It doesn't matter whether they ran 100 offensive plays or 1000, Geno and Teddy were much closer to 50% passing plays than Mike Leach's 70% passing plays.

 

[powda]

I hope for the Texans sake and my sanity if Bridgewater is drafted he doesn't turn into another Moon. I cant take many more Buffalo/Denver/Kansas City playoff choke jobs.

I'd be thrilled with another moon. Those chokes didn't happen single handidly. It was a group effort of monumental proportions to do what they did.

 

[bhsman]

I hope for the Texans sake and my sanity if Bridgewater is drafted he doesn't turn into another Moon. I cant take many more Buffalo/Denver/Kansas City playoff choke jobs.

I'd be ecstatic if we got another Warren Moon.

 

[Texian]

In one post you use college stats to support your argument and then in a later post you say that comparisons between college and NFL are silly. Which is it?

First thing is let's put your question back in it's original context. That way it will less confusing for you. Where I said comparing NFL and college was silly was Cak's attempt in comparing the number of plays an NFL Team runs vs number of plays a College Team runs. Your basic Apples and Oranges. Comparing the balance of one College Team's Offensive plays to another College Team's balance of Offensive plays is not only apples to apples but it's the same kind of apple.

 

[leebigeztx]

Texian comparing bridgewater to geno is retarded. The biggest issue most people had with geno were the passes behind the los. Same with the big guy in denver whos name slips my mind now. Ive never read anyone compare bridgewater to geno or landry jones. Yep, the same landry jones who always cracked under pressure. Everything and 90 percent of people who make comparison say 6'3 russell wilson or aaron rodgers. Even if you thought he could be a taller russell wilson or aaron rodgers and you thought clowney could benthe next peppers, who will help you win more games?

For every example of david carr as most like to bring up, I can bring up ben and rivers,ryan and flacco. Point is,its a risk because as ive said,we are talking about 21 yr old kids. There are no safe picks or ones with less risk per se. Steve emtman never missed a game in pop warner,jr high,or college, but he got hurt soon as he signed his contract.

 

[Texian]

Trolling again? or just back from the kegger? or both?

 

[Texian]

retarded.

Is that the best you got? I would've thought your education could do much better than retarded. Guess not.

 

[infantrycak]

Where I said comparing NFL and college was silly was Cak's attempt in comparing the number of plays an NFL Team runs vs number of plays a College Team runs. Your basic Apples and Oranges.

What is stupid is screaming apples and oranges without understanding the point being made. To spell that out one more time for you - running a fast paced, no huddle offense doesn't necessarily mean you get more plays. College or NFL that is true.