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DeMeco Ryans traded to Philadelphia

Carr Bombed said:
Just logged on and the thread was already 15 pages... I tried to catch up, but after 4 straight pages of crying, I decided to cut to the end..

This was NOT a bad move.. people should be happy. I enjoyed watching DeMeco play and respected him as much as the next guy, but can we please cut through the bull here and cut emotional ties for a second.

DeMeco Ryans was WELL on his way to cutsville, if not this offseason then definetely the next. Seriously we already have a thread that claimed Rick Smith is a amatuer for not having the foresight to trade Mario Williams last offseason, thus losing him for nothing. (BTW I also agree with that criticism and said we should've traded Mario last offseason when he was entering a contract year and we were entering a new defensive front)... Well now I've seen that same poster claim in this thread that this move further proves that Rick Smith is a amatuer.. what???

Sorry, you can't have it both ways.. The writing was well on the wall. Demeco shed blood, sweat, and tears for us in the past, but it was clear as day we were moving in another direction long before the season even ended. HE DID NOT FIT THE SCHEME and you can't pay a part time /role player ( which is what he was in this scheme) 6 mil a year. Before he got hurt Daryl Sharpton was the better player and played well in coverage which is what you need from a 3-4 ILB. You have to be able to cover and blitz up tue middle (See Cushing... guess what Demeco doesn't excell at? He isn't a 3-4 ILB and guess what.. despite being a 4-3 MLB with a very high cap hit who was stuck on a 3-4 team...WE STILL got compesation for him. That spells good move for us.

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I was thinking people would remember the Mario Williams situation and would approve of us at least looking to the future AND getting something "today" as well.

I predicted this thread would hit 35 pages. I have since recalculated the figures and it's on track for 46. Easily.

I have and Andre Johnson battle red jersey, purchased several years ago for the explicit reason of "The guy will retire a Texan." Good decision. I would like to buy a JJ Watt jersey, but I think there exists at least a good 25% chance he, too, could be traded one day. AJ is the way to go, folks.
 
TexCanada said:
I like it. This draft is really deep, and Ryans makes way too much for a 2 down player. I hope 'Meco does well in Philly.
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Ditto.

I'm glad they got something instead of outright cutting him. Everyone's acting like it's only a 4th - moving up in the 3rd could be the differece between gettin someone higher on their board or not.
 
Oh man, NotGaryKubiak has spoken on the issue via twitter:

"NotGaryKubiak: With Kareem taking over the on-field and locker room leadership role, we felt like we could afford to move DeMeco."
 
gonna miss meco alot but it was a very solid football move to get this for a guy we were DEFINATELY gonna have to cut (and get nothing for) next yr in order to resign other (better) players. to get what we did considering meco's contract, injury history and the fact that ILB are the equivalent of rb's on the defence in terms of value. must say very nice job by rick & co on that front. any1 pissed we didnt get a 2nd doesnt understand the value of different football positions

yes demeco's leadership will be missed on the field.... but that D did good in nickel and dime without him last yr

good luck in philly meco! he wont need it though. hes still a good player
 
G27RR said:
Ditto.

I'm glad they got something instead of outright cutting him. Everyone's acting like it's only a 4th - moving up in the 3rd could be the differece between gettin someone higher on their board or not.
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From what I saw earlier, it seems we moved up 12 spots higher in the 3rd.

That's a great move up, in my opinion.

And if we wanted to get really ballsy, we could find a way to package our two 4th rounders and move up even more. I don't know what the values are of packaging two 4th rounders, but still...it's the idea that we have more ammo now. Leveraging power.
 
I made this to say my goodbyes, lol.

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As the Eagle fan who hangs around this place, all I can say is thank you very much.
What I think the Eagles get here is a leader for a defense that badly needed one. Plus he plays a position of need.
Could not have gotten a better man.
 
GP said:
Now Tex, you've been really adamant about how "bad" Rick Smith is.

He's not young and he's been through a blown achilles, a bum shoulder, and a bum elbow. AND he's a helluva' lot more expensive than what we'll draft to replace him with.

The defense we had in 2011 includes major contributions by two rookies and several guys like Barwin and Cushing who are, IIRC, 3-year guys vs. the 6-year guys we're cutting (due to multiple reasons, not "just" the cap implications).

We have to stay young. Period. And this move gave us multiple picks we can use or bundle to stay young AND make sure we get good value.

Sometimes I think everyone has this expectation that we've arrived and should not risk anything. That 2011 defense cost a nice penny, and it's just part of the price of success.

I have faith that Wade is going to identify and find the guys he needs to offset the loss of Mario (which I think is already on our roster) and DeMeco (which I think is in the draft).

I'm only offering the rebuttal to the majority opinion here. I don't think it's as bad as people think.
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This pretty much sums up how I feel. Of course, losing someone like DeMeco is irreplaceable. His leadership skills are beyond reproach.

However, I think the Texans are starting to build a culture of winning. For better or worse, they are looking to solve their long term problems by taking some short term losses to fix problems before they keep the status quo and start looking like the post-World Series Astros.

Whatever loss they have in the leadership category will be filled at some point. Someone on the roster will step into the vacuum. Whether that be Joseph, or Manning, Smith, or whoever, I think they are a disciplined bunch under Wade (and play hard with him) and this will not stop them as a unit.
 
drunkcookie said:
Oh man, NotGaryKubiak has spoken on the issue via twitter:

"NotGaryKubiak: With Kareem taking over the on-field and locker room leadership role, we felt like we could afford to move DeMeco."
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NotJohnMcClain begs to differ:

"NotJohnMcClain: DeMeco a tough loss, but team still has the leadership of guys like Jason Allen and Mike Brisiel to lean upon."
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"NotJohnMcClain: My mistake. Sources say those 2 guys r on other teams now. Does anybody have any ideas about which players I could mention here? Thanks n advance."
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Combination of things, clearing salary for next year and rob Duane Brown. Also, injuries that CND has warned on. Probably looking for Someone on roster to play more. The 4th we got was originally Tampa Bay's so higher than some may be thinking. #4?

In the 4th round of the 2011 draft, the Eagles traded back from 104 to 116 with Tampa, and picked up their 2012 4th round pick. They then traded that 4th round pick from the Buccaneers, along with a flip flop of picks in the 3rd round (the Eagles move back from 77th overall to 89th overall) for Texans LB DeMeco Ryans.
http://bloggingthebeast.com/2012-nfc-east-draft-picks/eagles-2012-draft-picks/
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
What about the elbow ?
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Since we were not ever given any specifics, I have had to look back at some of the facts being able to surmised strictly by observation. Prior to the season, Demeco missed several weeks. He then was reported to have significant prolonged elbow swelling. Next, we saw him wearing the huge bulky brace. This brace is classified as a hinged elbow brace, usually worn to limit medial-lateral elbow joint motion as well as extension. All these bits of information to me add up that he had originally suffered an elbow dislocation with significant ligament stretching/tearing. Although many of these can heal without chronic recurrent injury, depending on the extent of the ligament damage he sustained and how it has responded, he may or may not have enough long-term instability without the brace that could require eventual surgery. The latter would be more likely if we see him back on the field this year still requiring the brace.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Just logged on and the thread was already 15 pages... I tried to catch up, but after 4 straight pages of crying, I decided to cut to the end..

This was NOT a bad move.. people should be happy. I enjoyed watching DeMeco play and respected him as much as the next guy, but can we please cut through the bull here and cut emotional ties for a second.

DeMeco Ryans was WELL on his way to cutsville, if not this offseason then definetely the next. Seriously we already have a thread that claimed Rick Smith is a amatuer for not having the foresight to trade Mario Williams last offseason, thus losing him for nothing. (BTW I also agree with that criticism and said we should've traded Mario last offseason when he was entering a contract year and we were entering a new defensive front)... Well now I've seen that same poster claim in this thread that this move further proves that Rick Smith is a amatuer.. what???

Sorry, you can't have it both ways.. The writing was well on the wall. Demeco shed blood, sweat, and tears for us in the past, but it was clear as day we were moving in another direction long before the season even ended. HE DID NOT FIT THE SCHEME and you can't pay a part time /role player ( which is what he was in this scheme) 6 mil a year. Before he got hurt Daryl Sharpton was the better player and played well in coverage which is what you need from a 3-4 ILB. You have to be able to cover and blitz up tue middle (See Cushing... guess what Demeco doesn't excell at? He isn't a 3-4 ILB and guess what.. despite being a 4-3 MLB with a very high cap hit who was stuck on a 3-4 team...WE STILL got compesation for him. That spells good move for us.

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Turned this whole situation around for me from reading this... :bravo:
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Since we were not ever given any specifics, I have had to look back at some of the facts being able to surmised strictly by observation. Prior to the season, Demeco several weeks. He then was reported to have significant prolonged elbow swelling. Next, we saw him wearing the huge bulky brace. This brace is classified as a hinged elbow brace, usually worn to limit medial-lateral elbow joint motion as well as extension. All these bits of information to me add up that he had originally suffered an elbow dislocation with significant ligament stretching/tearing. Although many of these can heal without chronic recurrent injury, depending on the extent of the ligament damage he sustained and how it has responded, he may or may not have enough long-term instability without the brace that could require eventual surgery. The latter would be more likely if we see him back on the field this year still requiring the brace.
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this would suggest that in order for this trade to be consummated he (DeMeco Ryans) would first have to clear medical doctors evaluation with clean bill of health. Maybe everyone is getting ahead of themselves?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Since we were not ever given any specifics, I have had to look back at some of the facts being able to surmised strictly by observation. Prior to the season, Demeco several weeks. He then was reported to have significant prolonged elbow swelling. Next, we saw him wearing the huge bulky brace. This brace is classified as a hinged elbow brace, usually worn to limit medial-lateral elbow joint motion as well as extension. All these bits of information to me add up that he had originally suffered an elbow dislocation with significant ligament stretching/tearing. Although many of these can heal without chronic recurrent injury, depending on the extent of the ligament damage he sustained and how it has responded, he may or may not have enough long-term instability without the brace that could require eventual surgery. The latter would be more likely if we see him back on the field this year still requiring the brace.
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Prior to this, he was wearing a shoulder device (and still did) to keep his shoulder form separating. Correct?

I think he's had the shoulder device/restraint (like the one Clinton Portis wore) a few seasons prior to 2011.

To me, all things considered....DeMeco gets to play defense. He'll be an every-down LBer for Philly, in a 43 Defense. Fans there will adore him for his leadership and blue collar work ethic.

Win-win situation, IMO.
 
from an eagles message board through another message board (FWIW)

Just listening to the local radio show here in san antonio and they had ND Kalu (from san antonio) on air. He said he spoke with a some of the guys from the Texans via text and phone. He said that guys was very upset to see him go because he was a leader. He also said that they knew he wasn't the same player, that the injury he suffered was very severe. He also stated that the Texans felt he was shell of his former self therefore only getting a 4th rounder for him.

Last thing is that a few teams was in on the trade bid for D.Ryans according to Kalu, with the Cowboys having the best offer (3rd rounder). Dallas pulled out when advised by their team doctors to do so. Other teams were offering 5th and 6th rounders.
 
GP said:
We cleared him off our books for 2013, which clears several million for when we need to re-sign another guy in early 2013.

We received a 4th round in the upcoming draft, and we moved up 12 spots in the 3rd round in the upcoming draft.

This was "as worth it" as we were ever going to get for a guy with his salary, his injury history, and his age.

Man alive, when we let guys walk and get nothing in return...we are losers. When we actually get something for a guy...we're still losers. Damned if we do, damned if we don't.

All it takes is one or two guys out of the early rounds of the 2012 draft and things will correct themselves on its own.
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GP, I'm disappointed that there wasn't a better value for DeMeco. I understand why the trade was made but I think it's safe to assume that Rick floated DeMeco around and the Eagles offer was the best we could get. What a difference it would make it we could have their 3rd pick and swapped 4th picks. I sure hope Rick got the very best he could have for DeMeco.
 
Norg said:
what was our 3rd and there 3rd ????
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#77 vs. #90 I believe (compensatory picks not added in) fairly substantial along with extra 4th #115. Losing star players like Mario & DeMeco means they are aiming higher in the first round, they have targeted a specific player most notably Luke Kuechly, BC 6-3 245. The top inside linebacker available in the 2012 draft.
 
Well isnt this some bull ****. WTF are these dumb ass Front office people doing ? Are they eating dope brownies from Mrs Mcnair ? All these cuts now this trade of Meco one of my fav players and ****ing Jacoby Jones is till on the roster.

**** you rick smith

Loyal to players to long who SUCK and unloyal to the ones who play their heart out for you. This is how you build a winning team, way to ****ing go.
 
Have we slowed down now, where we can actually read each other's posts, or are we still in the mode where we think we have the "greatest post about the current subject" post ever?
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
from an eagles message board through another message board (FWIW)

Just listening to the local radio show here in san antonio and they had ND Kalu (from san antonio) on air. He said he spoke with a some of the guys from the Texans via text and phone. He said that guys was very upset to see him go because he was a leader. He also said that they knew he wasn't the same player, that the injury he suffered was very severe. He also stated that the Texans felt he was shell of his former self therefore only getting a 4th rounder for him.

Last thing is that a few teams was in on the trade bid for D.Ryans according to Kalu, with the Cowboys having the best offer (3rd rounder). Dallas pulled out when advised by their team doctors to do so. Other teams were offering 5th and 6th rounders.
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Thanks for sharing. Prior to the Achilles there were some folks here, including myself, that thought he lost a step, due to prior injuries and having no DTs to keep him clean.

I am glad we got something for him, rather than cut him - for him and the organization. Should Kalu's comments be real, good for Smith. It still does not change my mind about his value to this team.
 
GP said:
Prior to this, he was wearing a shoulder device (and still did) to keep his shoulder form separating. Correct?

I think he's had the shoulder device/restraint (like the one Clinton Portis wore) a few seasons prior to 2011.To me, all things considered....DeMeco gets to play defense. He'll be an every-down LBer for Philly, in a 43 Defense. Fans there will adore him for his leadership and blue collar work ethic.

Win-win situation, IMO.
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To tell you the truth, GP, I don't recollect a shoulder separation history back then. Though I do remember towards the end of last season, "shoulder" was being listed.
 
jgl35 said:
As the Eagle fan who hangs around this place, all I can say is thank you very much.
What I think the Eagles get here is a leader for a defense that badly needed one. Plus he plays a position of need.
Could not have gotten a better man.
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**** YOU!!!! I kid bro, You have been here a long time and I've always appreciated your input!! Sorry about the whole Kevin Kolb thing.....
 
beerlover said:
#77 vs. #90 I believe (compensatory picks not added in) fairly substantial along with extra 4th #115. Losing star players like Mario & DeMeco means they are aiming higher in the first round, they have targeted a specific player most notably Luke Kuechly, BC 6-3 245. The top inside linebacker available in the 2012 draft.
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I disagree with that...

I see no reason to move up to get Luke...

I know Demeco wasn't the same as he was earlier in his career, but even if we get a really good ILB I still don't think they'd be on the field a whole lot more than Demeco was. Cushing is the man in the middle now. Get him a sidekick to play on first and second down and in some passing situations and be done with it...

I don't think it'd be a good idea at all to blow your load on Kuechly...
 
Our family is crushed, as can be understood by my avitar. The change to the 3-4 compounding his injuries has me somewhat understanding the teams decision, but this is going to be a tough one. As Capt. Miller said to Pvt. Ryan (no pun intended), I'll say it to Smith "EARN IT"
 
Rey said:
I disagree with that...

I see no reason to move up to get Luke...

I know Demeco wasn't the same as he was earlier in his career, but even if we get a really good ILB I still don't think they'd be on the field a whole lot more than Demeco was. Cushing is the man in the middle now. Get him a sidekick to play on first and second down and in some passing situations and be done with it...

I don't think it'd be a good idea at all to blow your load on Kuechly...
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Bring back Dobbins .
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
from an eagles message board through another message board (FWIW)

Just listening to the local radio show here in san antonio and they had ND Kalu (from san antonio) on air. He said he spoke with a some of the guys from the Texans via text and phone. He said that guys was very upset to see him go because he was a leader. He also said that they knew he wasn't the same player, that the injury he suffered was very severe. He also stated that the Texans felt he was shell of his former self therefore only getting a 4th rounder for him.

Last thing is that a few teams was in on the trade bid for D.Ryans according to Kalu, with the Cowboys having the best offer (3rd rounder). Dallas pulled out when advised by their team doctors to do so. Other teams were offering 5th and 6th rounders.
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MSR, thanks for posting.

Had to feel injuries played a part in it. Coaches will have to regain the locker room, imo.
 
:kubepalm: all my years of following this team and i have never seen the FO so cut throat. How come they couldnt be like this with Carr, Travis Johnson and all the other bad players we help onto for to long. Now they are like this with our good players who have played their hearts out for us. It will be sad not seeing him pump the defense up before game time anymore, really sad.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Vinny, I, too, have come to love and respect Demeco. But, I believe his beast days are over. I know many are not convinced of the trend that Achilles-ruptured NFL players have taken following repair, a subject that I reviewed extensively last year. But that player's "best" year typically occurs his first season back from injury. From there, the trend is all down hill, with the strongest downturn seen in the LB position specifically. The Texans may have resigned to this. Philly is more likely to have taken on an albatross than a savior.
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Hope you're right

I will miss Demeco but Texans management appears to be ahead of the curve on this. (Wade) In the long run the defense will be alright. (I trust Wade)

Thanks for the info on Butler.
 
EllisUnit said:
Well isnt this some bull ****. WTF are these dumb ass Front office people doing ? Are they eating dope brownies from Mrs Mcnair ? All these cuts now this trade of Meco one of my fav players and ****ing Jacoby Jones is till on the roster.

**** you rick smith

Loyal to players to long who SUCK and unloyal to the ones who play their heart out for you. This is how you build a winning team, way to ****ing go.
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We can't cut Jacoby until June.
 
im loving it finally "name players" finally dont get a free pass just because they did great things there rookie or 2nd season
 
EllisUnit said:
:kubepalm: all my years of following this team and i have never seen the FO so cut throat. How come they couldnt be like this with Carr, Travis Johnson and all the other bad players we help onto for to long. Now they are like this with our good players who have played their hearts out for us. It will be sad not seeing him pump the defense up before game time anymore, really sad.
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it's freaking business, not a family daycare.

demeco was a great player and person for our organization but the front office decided he wasn't worth what we were paying him or that he fit into our defensive system and got some return on him; something that so many of you bitched and moaned that smith and co. never did with our players that leave.

look back fondly on his time here, remember the good times and things he did, and wish him luck. quit crying about it.
 
pbat488 said:
it's freaking business, not a family daycare.

demeco was a great player and person for our organization but the front office decided he wasn't worth what we were paying him or that he fit into our defensive system and got some return on him; something that so many of you bitched and moaned that smith and co. never did with our players that leave.

look back fondly on his time here, remember the good times and things he did, and wish him luck. quit crying about it.
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Amen. I am actually happy for Demeco. No more seeing him on the sidelines during passing downs. That was so sad to watch last year.
 
NastyNate said:
You just lost a MLB as well as an OLB, RT, RG, CB# 2B and 3rd string QB and we're going to target a WR? :kubepalm:

This isn't to go after anyone. Texans simply clearing cap room. We'll go defense heavy again in the draft and be more improved.
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Right. They are losing solid players at all of those positions, they don't have a number 2 receiver, and their #1 may not be healthy all year given his recent history.

Cutting Ryans gave them another position to fill and apparently cost the team cap money this year.

I guess they will rely on Jacoby to "get it" this year and be a stud receiver, since they have so many holes to fill now. Maybe Smith and Kubiak will finally "get it" next season too.
 
Kimmy said:
I still think Mario is taking digs at Houston

Mario Williams ‏ @bbwolf90 Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
@DRyans59 do ya thang bro its a blessing in disguise! Crazy world
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I'm sure he is taking digs. All the talking heads are gushing about how great he is and our FO wisely let him find the door. It must really chap his ass that we didn't realize how great he is and just let him go.
I'd really, really, really like to know what kind, if any, of offer we made to him.
 
Kimmy said:
I still think Mario is taking digs at Houston

Mario Williams ‏ @bbwolf90 Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
@DRyans59 do ya thang bro its a blessing in disguise! Crazy world
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Blessing in disguise? What do you know Mario, you got paid almost a million dollars a sack, and you rode the pine a whole lot, what was so bad about Houston. Buffalo is gonna be so awesome, enjoy your big contract, I'm starting to love the move of letting Mario go.
 
Kimmy said:
I still think Mario is taking digs at Houston

Mario Williams ‏ @bbwolf90 Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
@DRyans59 do ya thang bro its a blessing in disguise! Crazy world
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Disagree Kimmy!!! Mario tweeted plenty of good things about his time in H-Town.... I think his shot (and towards "do yo ya thing") is more a shot at at Rick Smith and had nothing to do with "taking digs at Houston"......

Straight-up.... read Marioi's twitter timeline.... he loved his time here and the Demeco timeline isn't really that surprising when you take it ALL in context......

We could go 6-10 next season................ NO ****!!!!
 
EllisUnit said:
:kubepalm: all my years of following this team and i have never seen the FO so cut throat. How come they couldnt be like this with Carr, Travis Johnson and all the other bad players we help onto for to long. Now they are like this with our good players who have played their hearts out for us. It will be sad not seeing him pump the defense up before game time anymore, really sad.
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This. A thousand times this.

I can accept it, I just wish it had been here a few years ago. That 2006 draft is fading fast now. Mario gone, Meco gone. Spencer gone right away, and Winston gone too. Owen Daniels is the last man standing from that draft.
 
Texan_Bill said:
Disagree Kimmy!!! Mario tweeted plenty of good things about his time in H-Town.... I think his shot (and towards "do yo ya thing") is more a shot at at Rick Smith and had nothing to do with "taking digs at Houston"......

Straight-up.... read Marioi's twitter timeline.... he loved his time here and the Demeco timeline isn't really that surprising when you take it ALL in context......

We could go 6-10 next season................ NO ****!!!!
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LOL We could, we could!!

I know what you're typing. I do feel the one he has been putting towards the fans, but not so much for the front office.

But I guess a lot of us are there from time to time
 
Texecutioner said:
I have not disagreed with this part. My feelings were geared more towards the fact that the compensation we got for him was very little. Just because he isn't a great value to our defense doesn't mean that he isn't to other teams. Sorry, but you're not going to convince me that a 4th rounder was the absolute best that we'd ever get for Demeco Ryans. He is still very capable of being a Pro Bowl LB to a team that runs the 4-3.
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Actually we got the value of a mid 3rd round pick for Ryans. Going by the draft value chart anyway. The value of the fourth round pick we got is 145 points and the value of moving up from 89 to 77 is 60 points so that comes out o 205 points total which is the equivalent of the 13th pick in the 3rd round.


Lots of options

Its possible now that we could combine our 3rd (77th, 205 points) and their 4th (89th, 145 points) and move up as far as the 55th pick.

So we would end up having the same amount of picks but 3 in the top 58. Not bad!

OR

Package our first with their fourth and move up to around the 20th pick.

OR

Package our first with our third and move up to around 18.
 
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