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DeMeco Ryans traded to Philadelphia

BullNation4Life said:
Why is it when the Steeler, Pats, Ravens do the same thing and let great talent walk, then go get younger talent it is called re-loading....

So when the Texans do it, it's called rebuilding?


Makes no sense to me....
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Only having only playoff season of trust built up?
 
BullNation4Life said:
Why is it when the Steeler, Pats, Ravens do the same thing and let great talent walk, then go get younger talent it is called re-loading....

So when the Texans do it, it's called rebuilding?


Makes no sense to me....
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Texans have no history of drafting consistantly well , that is where the pessimistic comes in (in my case)
 
Paul Kuharsky has a different value for this year's cap hit...

The move doesn’t do anything to alleviate the team’s cap issues. It will actually cost Houston $750,000 this year. While Ryans was due the large base salary, he had $9 million left of a pro-rated signing bonus that moves to this year with the trade. He will be off the Texans' books next year.
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http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth
 
fiasco west said:
Ben Grubbs I'll give you.

Jarret Johnson...no not on Meco's level. Not even close.

Cory Redding same thing.

The Pats really don't let guys go. Instead they trade them for 1st or 2nd round picks...which isn't what we just did.
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Because Demeco Ryan's isnt On Richard Seymore level...

And the Eagles are not as stupid as the Raiders...
 
At least they didn't dump him on the market and have him waiting like lofton. Salary corrections is what they're doing. Ryans was gedtting paid way too much for what he was doing. He was below average in coverage even b4 the injury. Remember when davis kept running seam routes on him? What about shockey last yr. 3m player getting paid double that.
 
BullNation4Life said:
Why is it when the Steeler, Pats, Ravens do the same thing and let great talent walk, then go get younger talent it is called re-loading....

So when the Texans do it, it's called rebuilding?


Makes no sense to me....
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Is this a serious question?

Those teams you've mentioned have had perennial playoff appearances, multiple Super Bowl appearances and have multiple Super Bowl victories.

Reloading is something champions do.
 
BullNation4Life said:
Yup Patriots where never really loaded with stars on defense, just one huge one on offense, and they found ways to win...
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Bruschi, Vrabel, Harrison, Seymour and Ty Law all disagree with you.

The difference with the Patriots in their earlier winning years was that the majority of talent was on their defense while Tom Brady had hardly anything to work with on offense. They were a very well balanced team. Ty Law will be a HOF corner, and the rest of those guys were all amongst the top guys at their position for many years.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
So what's gonna happen when we get rid of #56 for money reasons too? Are we gonna be cool with just drafting his replacement?

I'm all for letting go of guys that are good but can be dealt with. Losing Winston and Brisiel is tough, but not back-breakers. Losing DeMeco means SIGNIFICANTLY more than that.
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I think that could be a little "forward thinking" going on here. Cush, Brown, Barwin...Until I've gotta have my crow, I'm going to give the FO a little credit.
 
Texecutioner said:
Bruschi, Vrabel, Harrison, Seymour and Ty Law all disagree with you.

The difference with the Patriots in their earlier winning years was that the majority of talent was on their defense while Tom Brady had hardly anything to work with on offense. They were a very well balanced team.
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spurstexanstros said:
This aint your father's Texans...it looks like the Texans are about doing what they can to win and not doing things to remain loyal. I know it sucks but such is the NFL these days.
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All we can to win?


In the last two weeks, we've improved the front 7 of the Bills & the Eagles, we also improved the running game of both the Raiders & the Cheifs.

All for a 4th round pick.

Rick Smith must be working overtime up in Reliant.

[I could really use that Rick SMith facepalm right now]

:kubepalm:
 
BullNation4Life said:
Because Demeco Ryan's isnt On Richard Seymore level...

And the Eagles are not as stupid as the Raiders...
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Yeah and that's why you don't trade him in the first place if you aren't getting equal value in return.

4th round pick is not equal value for a team leader and a guy who even according to his coach was getting better and better every week.

Don't even bring up "Cap space." the NFL is about right now and this season. This season you keep him around and see what he can do. This season you try to keep the same core players around and see if you can build off last year not ship them off and create more needs.

The Texans should be drafting for depth this year and instead we'll be drafting for needs.
 
I'll admit I'm pretty pissed that we let Winston go for nothing and DeMeco go for only a 3rd and a move up in the 4th. I'm pretty sure that the Eagles were desperate for a MLB last year. We should have gotten more IMO.
 
Here's your Spirit of the Bull Award.....aaaaand you're being traded.

WTH man? A 4th and swapping 3rds was not worth the trade.
 
Shaft75 said:
I'll admit I'm pretty pissed that we let Winston go for nothing and DeMeco go for only a 3rd and a move up in the 4th. I'm pretty sure that the Eagles were desperate for a MLB last year. We should have gotten more IMO.
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The picks we received were in reverse order.
 
Vinny said:
yep, he's gonna be a beast now that he is healthy again. He's gonna make us look like morons.
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Vinny, I, too, have come to love and respect Demeco. But, I believe his beast days are over. I know many are not convinced of the trend that Achilles-ruptured NFL players have taken following repair, a subject that I reviewed extensively last year. But that player's "best" year typically occurs his first season back from injury. From there, the trend is all down hill, with the strongest downturn seen in the LB position specifically. The Texans may have resigned to this. Philly is more likely to have taken on an albatross than a savior.
 
bigfan77801 said:
The picks we received were in reverse order.
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lol even worse...

I'm drafting for the Eagles in the TT mock and the Eagles have an assload of picks. 2 in the 2nd, 2 in the 4. We should have at least gotten one of those second rounders, or a straight up 3rd.

Especially if we are going to be building through the draft. Building is such a crappy word to explain your team right now.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Vinny, I, too, have come to love and respect Demeco. But, I believe his beast days are over. I know many are not convinced of the trend that Achilles-ruptured NFL players have taken following repair, a subject that I reviewed extensively last year. But that player's "best" year typically occurs his first season back from injury. From there, the trend is all down hill, with the strongest downturn seen in the LB position specifically. The Texans may have resigned to this. Philly is more likely to have taken on an albatross than a savior.
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Thanks CND for shedding some intelligent light on this situation.

Now what to do with DeMeco jersey I just bought a month ago?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Vinny, I, too, have come to love and respect Demeco. But, I believe his beast days are over. I know many are not convinced of the trend that Achilles-ruptured NFL players have taken following repair, a subject that I reviewed extensively last year. But that player's "best" year typically occurs his first season back from injury. From there, the trend is all down hill, with the strongest downturn seen in the LB position specifically. The Texans may have resigned to this. Philly is more likely to have taken on an albatross than a savior.
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What about the elbow ?
 
Texanstalk.com is going to need new banners after this off-season!

I'm looking at the one with DeMeco and Mario tackling Bush.
 
fiasco west said:
Yeah and that's why you don't trade him in the first place if you aren't getting equal value in return.

4th round pick is not equal value for a team leader and a guy who even according to his coach was getting better and better every week.

Don't even bring up "Cap space." the NFL is about right now and this season. This season you keep him around and see what he can do. This season you try to keep the same core players around and see if you can build off last year not ship them off and create more needs.

The Texans should be drafting for depth this year and instead we'll be drafting for needs.
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That's the sad part of everything. The Texans were finally getting respect around the country as a top-tier team. When they walked off the field as a 20-13 divisional round loser in Baltimore, it almost seemed like they had earned even more respect around the league. People finally noticed their resiliency and toughness as a team.

People were calling the Texans a Super Bowl favorite in 2012 and the most balanced team in the league on both sides of the ball when healthy. It was important to keep together the same team and re-sign as many of our own guys as we could. The fact we didn't even use the franchise tag was an idiotic blunder by the front office. I don't want to hear any crap about the salary cap. You make guys restructure contracts and according to Troy Aikman, it's not hard for teams to make enough cap space needed to keep your star player.

But after the past week of losing notable players, we're now gearing up for the draft with a lot of team needs, when we ended the season as arguably the team with the fewest needs in the NFL. All we needed was some luck staying healthy, especially at the quarterback position. We were a Super Bowl contender before and right now I don't even know if I would call us the best team in the AFC South.

Only Rick Smith could ruin something this great...
Not even sure Charley Casserly would drop the ball this badly!
Pardon my sarcasm. I'll hopefully feel better after the draft.
 
BSofA04 said:
Here's your Spirit of the Bull Award.....aaaaand you're being traded.

WTH man? A 4th and swapping 3rds was not worth the trade.
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We cleared him off our books for 2013, which clears several million for when we need to re-sign another guy in early 2013.

We received a 4th round in the upcoming draft, and we moved up 12 spots in the 3rd round in the upcoming draft.

This was "as worth it" as we were ever going to get for a guy with his salary, his injury history, and his age.

Man alive, when we let guys walk and get nothing in return...we are losers. When we actually get something for a guy...we're still losers. Damned if we do, damned if we don't.

All it takes is one or two guys out of the early rounds of the 2012 draft and things will correct themselves on its own.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Vinny, I, too, have come to love and respect Demeco. But, I believe his beast days are over. I know many are not convinced of the trend that Achilles-ruptured NFL players have taken following repair, a subject that I reviewed extensively last year. But that player's "best" year typically occurs his first season back from injury. From there, the trend is all down hill, with the strongest downturn seen in the LB position specifically. The Texans may have resigned to this. Philly is more likely to have taken on an albatross than a savior.
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I knew I had read something like this from you even though I was told I hadn't...
 
ckhouston said:
Nothing takes the place of intensity. If you are at war and are on the front line do you want Cushing or Ryans in your foxhole? Yeah, thought so.
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You are making a joke out of yourself. Ryans in a hearbeat. Not only do you have nothing to say he is less intense but anyone who has ever watched the bench has seen he was the leading force. Cushing, Mario, Antonio, everyone looked to and paid attention to DeMeco. And for a real world example since you want to bring up foxholes, it is the difference between me being made squad leader and me assigning a very "intense" kid to the pig (M-60) because at all of 125lbs he was good at it but never could have led a fire team. For all his intensity he didn't have the discipline or smarts to be a leader. But he could intensely follow orders.
 
I'm actually starting to feel better about our upcoming season...

I was of the opinion that if they couldn't get Demeco's cap# lower they should have flat out cut him...A trade is even better...
 
Wade Phillips all but telegraphed this move when he decided early in 2011 off-season that he felt Brian Cushing could handle the Mike position just fine.

There was some trepidation on behalf of fans on here who felt DeMeco Ryans was THE Mike, period, and it was therefore a risky move to put Cushing there instead.

Where did that decision to put Cushing at the Mike place DeMeco? On the outside looking in, staring this trade right in the eyes once we got to this point in 2012. That's where.

'Meco slid off the Mike in 2011 and would have been the Mike if anything happened to Cushing. Now we have Cushing solidified at the Mike and the Texans will go after DeMeco's replacement in the draft or FA or off our roster or whatever.

The world will keep spinning.
 
This really sucks because i did not want to see DeMeco go, i love that guy... He did a pretty dang good job coming off of that injury, and for those saying he played below average/whatever you don't know you football...

HOWEVER.org, 6mil this year and 5 next for a guy who is taken off the field in 3rd down situations? You do not draft guys to do that, so why would you continue to highly pay a guy to do that? He's not a 3-4 ILB, this dude is a 100% badass MLB in a 4-3...

A coaching staff and GM have to do a lot when it comes to the talent on their team, and IMO one of the most important things is to improve at every position... Do i think Sharpton can be an improvement? I do think he can be, time will tell.... Do i think the money saved on 'Meco can help in improving talent at other positions? Yes... Do i think the draft picks can help improve the team at other positions? Yes, sure gives us more chances to...

This sucks sucks sucks sucks sucks, but the Texans don't play football tomorrow, or next week, or next month... Let's see where this goes... Not all paths look promising when you first take them, but they can flatten out and lead to great things around their bends...
 
Vinny said:
you have reading comprehension issues if you think I said that the team needs to be loaded with stars...but just a couple of big time players and a larger cast of average players will pretty much get you an average team.
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My reading comprehension is just fine. Maybe you didn't word what you were attempting to say like you wanted to? Out of 11 starters on each side of the ball how many starters need to be stars in your opinion? More importantly, how many of them will be paid like stars? My point is that on each side of the ball you will have a couple of stars that are paid like stars. The rest will be supporting cast members. Of those supporting cast members, you would expect a few to play like stars, well above their pay rate. You know, the whole "build through the draft" idea.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
The 49ers of the 80's traded or let walk Joe Montana , Ronnie Lott , Jerry Rice , and Roger Craig .
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I get what you're saying, but I really think we need to stop trying to compare the Texans to dynasties. We're talking about a team with one playoff victory---one playoff appearance---in its entire existence.
 
Just logged on and the thread was already 15 pages... I tried to catch up, but after 4 straight pages of crying, I decided to cut to the end..

This was NOT a bad move.. people should be happy. I enjoyed watching DeMeco play and respected him as much as the next guy, but can we please cut through the bull here and cut emotional ties for a second.

DeMeco Ryans was WELL on his way to cutsville, if not this offseason then definetely the next. Seriously we already have a thread that claimed Rick Smith is a amatuer for not having the foresight to trade Mario Williams last offseason, thus losing him for nothing. (BTW I also agree with that criticism and said we should've traded Mario last offseason when he was entering a contract year and we were entering a new defensive front)... Well now I've seen that same poster claim in this thread that this move further proves that Rick Smith is a amatuer.. what???

Sorry, you can't have it both ways.. The writing was well on the wall. Demeco shed blood, sweat, and tears for us in the past, but it was clear as day we were moving in another direction long before the season even ended. HE DID NOT FIT THE SCHEME and you can't pay a part time /role player ( which is what he was in this scheme) 6 mil a year. Before he got hurt Daryl Sharpton was the better player and played well in coverage which is what you need from a 3-4 ILB. You have to be able to cover and blitz up tue middle (See Cushing... guess what Demeco doesn't excell at? He isn't a 3-4 ILB and guess what.. despite being a 4-3 MLB with a very high cap hit who was stuck on a 3-4 team...WE STILL got compesation for him. That spells good move for us.

Edit thread has now ballooned to 20 pages.. Im stuck in BFE typing on my phone
 
infantrycak said:
You are making a joke out of yourself. Ryans in a hearbeat. Not only do you have nothing to say he is less intense but anyone who has ever watched the bench has seen he was the leading force. Cushing, Mario, Antonio, everyone looked to and paid attention to DeMeco.
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I've watched the bench and I agree...

But to me that doesn't mean much. He was the incumbent. He was almost the leader by default. I think it's time for Cushing to assume that role. He's a big boy now...We have other Vets on the defense in J.Jo and Manning...

JJ Watt is a beast and he seems like the kind of guy that can develop into a leader. I think this defense will be just fine.

JMO.
 
Put me down as not a big fan of draft picks, especially mid-to-late rounders. When you have a proven quality player at a position, which is much harder to find in this league than people think, you do not give him up for anything other than a second or first round draft pick. DeMeco was clearly one of those guys. Instead, we're back to square one trying to find a fill for a position was taken care of just this morning, and we're probably going to do it by drafting a guy who in all likelihood will be no more than average at best and out the NFL in just a few years at worst.

I'm clearly upset with this move. This is the anti-2011 offseason.
 
infantrycak said:
You are making a joke out of yourself. Ryans in a hearbeat. Not only do you have nothing to say he is less intense but anyone who has ever watched the bench has seen he was the leading force. Cushing, Mario, Antonio, everyone looked to and paid attention to DeMeco. And for a real world example since you want to bring up foxholes, it is the difference between me being made squad leader and me assigning a very "intense" kid to the pig (M-60) because at all of 125lbs he was good at it but never could have led a fire team. For all his intensity he didn't have the discipline or smarts to be a leader. But he could intensely follow orders.
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I think Demeco was an academic all american at Alabama . He's a lot of things but a guy who plays like his heads on fire he is not . He is a cerebal player who'd make a great coach one day but he ain't Mike Singletary .
 
Carr Bombed said:
Just logged on and the thread was already 15 pages... I tried to catch up, but after 4 straight pages of crying, I decided to cut to the end..

This was NOT a bad move.. people should be happy. I enjoyed watching DeMeco play and respected him as much as the next guy, but can we please cut through the bull here and cut emotional ties for a second.

DeMeco Ryans was WELL on his way to cutsville, if not this offseason then definetely the next. Seriously we already have a thread that claimed Rick Smith is a amatuer for not having the foresight to trade Mario Williams last offseason, thus losing him for nothing. (BTW I also agree with that criticism and said we should've traded Mario last offseason when he was entering a contract year and we were entering a new defensive front)... Well now I've seen that same poster claim in this thread that this move further proves that Rick Smith is a amatuer.. what???

Sorry, you can't have it both ways.. The writing was well on the wall. Demeco shed blood, sweat, and tears for us in the past, but it was clear as day we were moving in another direction long before the season even ended. HE DID NOT FIT THE SCHEME and you can't pay a part time /role player ( which is what he was in this scheme) 6 mil a year. Before he got hurt Daryl Sharpton was the better player and played well in coverage which is what you need from a 3-4 ILB. You have to be able to cover and blitz up tue middle (See Cushing... guess what Demeco doesn't excell at? He isn't a 3-4 ILB and guess what.. despite being a 4-3 MLB with a very high cap hit who was stuck on a 3-4 team...WE STILL got compesation for him. That spells good move for us.
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I don't agree with with you very often, but you are spot on here. Rep.
 
Oh, and i hope everyone learns their lessons on jerseys... This is why i get the cheap shirts with a number on it... I aint playing, i don't need a jersey...
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Vinny, I, too, have come to love and respect Demeco. But, I believe his beast days are over. I know many are not convinced of the trend that Achilles-ruptured NFL players have taken following repair, a subject that I reviewed extensively last year. But that player's "best" year typically occurs his first season back from injury. From there, the trend is all down hill, with the strongest downturn seen in the LB position specifically. The Texans may have resigned to this. Philly is more likely to have taken on an albatross than a savior.
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It's specifically the achilles that bothered me most. Add the two separate arm injuries, a bad shoulder and a bad elbow, and Father Time takes his toll on the guy.

The Eagles have a lot of salary and cap to pay on him in the next few years. But then again, he'll probably be dealt with a lot less humanely than the Texans did today.

At least the Texans didn't outright cut him like they did Winston. Something is wonky about how Winston was cut and DeMeco was traded. Winston is far healthier than DeMeco.
 
TexansFanatic said:
I get what you're saying, but I really think we need to stop trying to compare the Texans to dynasties. We're talking about a team with one playoff victory---one playoff appearance---in its entire existence.
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Demeco , Mario , and Winston's time has come and gone here . They got their money and were passed by Brown , Cushing , Barwin , Foster , and Watt . The became expendable .
 
Carr Bombed said:
Just logged on and the thread was already 15 pages... I tried to catch up, but after 4 straight pages of crying, I decided to cut to the end..

This was NOT a bad move.. people should be happy. I enjoyed watching DeMeco play and respected him as much as the next guy, but can we please cut through the bull here and cut emotional ties for a second.

DeMeco Ryans was WELL on his way to cutsville, if not this offseason then definetely the next. Seriously we already have a thread that claimed Rick Smith is a amatuer for not having the foresight to trade Mario Williams last offseason, thus losing him for nothing. (BTW I also agree with that criticism and said we should've traded Mario last offseason when he was entering a contract year and we were entering a new defensive front)... Well now I've seen that same poster claim in this thread that this move further proves that Rick Smith is a amatuer.. what???

Sorry, you can't have it both ways.. The writing was well on the wall. Demeco shed blood, sweat, and tears for us in the past, but it was clear as day we were moving in another direction long before the season even ended. HE DID NOT FIT THE SCHEME and you can't pay a part time /role player ( which is what he was in this scheme) 6 mil a year. Before he got hurt Daryl Sharpton was the better player and played well in coverage which is what you need from a 3-4 ILB. You have to be able to cover and blitz up tue middle (See Cushing... guess what Demeco doesn't excell at? He isn't a 3-4 ILB and guess what.. despite being a 4-3 MLB with a very high cap hit who was stuck on a 3-4 team...WE STILL got compesation for him. That spells good move for us.
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I have not disagreed with this part. My feelings were geared more towards the fact that the compensation we got for him was very little. Just because he isn't a great value to our defense doesn't mean that he isn't to other teams. Sorry, but you're not going to convince me that a 4th rounder was the absolute best that we'd ever get for Demeco Ryans. He is still very capable of being a Pro Bowl LB to a team that runs the 4-3.
 
Just logged on and the thread was already 15 pages... I tried to catch up, but after 4 straight pages of crying, I decided to cut to the end..

This was NOT a bad move.. people should be happy. I enjoyed watching DeMeco play and respected him as much as the next guy, but can we please cut through the bull here and cut emotional ties for a second.

DeMeco Ryans was WELL on his way to cutsville, if not this offseason then definetely the next. Seriously we already have a thread that claimed Rick Smith is a amatuer for not having the foresight to trade Mario Williams last offseason, thus losing him for nothing. (BTW I also agree with that criticism and said we should've traded Mario last offseason when he was entering a contract year and we were entering a new defensive front)... Well now I've seen that same poster claim in this thread that this move further proves that Rick Smith is a amatuer.. what???

Sorry, you can't have it both ways.. The writing was well on the wall. Demeco shed blood, sweat, and tears for us in the past, but it was clear as day we were moving in another direction long before the season even ended. HE DID NOT FIT THE SCHEME and you can't pay a part time /role player ( which is what he was in this scheme) 6 mil a year. Before he got hurt Daryl Sharpton was the better player and played well in coverage which is what you need from a 3-4 ILB. You have to be able to cover and blitz up tue middle (See Cushing... guess what Demeco doesn't excell at? He isn't a 3-4 ILB and guess what.. despite being a 4-3 MLB with a very high cap hit who was stuck on a 3-4 team...WE STILL got compesation for him. That spells good move for us.
 
infantrycak said:
You are making a joke out of yourself. Ryans in a hearbeat. Not only do you have nothing to say he is less intense but anyone who has ever watched the bench has seen he was the leading force. Cushing, Mario, Antonio, everyone looked to and paid attention to DeMeco. And for a real world example since you want to bring up foxholes, it is the difference between me being made squad leader and me assigning a very "intense" kid to the pig (M-60) because at all of 125lbs he was good at it but never could have led a fire team. For all his intensity he didn't have the discipline or smarts to be a leader. But he could intensely follow orders.
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There's a lot of truth in this post. Unfortunately, you don't pay squad leaders $6mil to lead from the sidelines, whether from injury or down and distance. I'm a big fan of Ryans, but there was no way he was going to be on the team this season. I wish him well in Philly.
 
I like it. This draft is really deep, and Ryans makes way too much for a 2 down player. I hope 'Meco does well in Philly.
 
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