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Aw man! I LIKED Booty! If he ever became the starter we could play that KC and the Sunshine Band song as his theme. Dang!
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...“I’m excited for this opportunity,” Leinart said after arriving in Houston on Monday night. “I’m looking for a new start. Obviously, things didn’t go the way I wanted (at Arizona), but it’s time to move on.
“The Texans are a great organization, and I’m really looking forward to working with coach Kubiak.”
Kubiak, a backup during his nine-year career with Denver, likes working with quarterbacks. He called Leinart and talked to him about the benefits of playing for the Texans.
“When I talked to Matt on the phone, I was so impressed with him,” Kubiak said. “He wants to be here. He said, ‘Coach, they (Cardinals) are starting over, and I need a new start, too.’
“He didn’t make excuses for what happened there. There was no bull to him. I like that.”
Leinart, 27, comes to the Texans as the third quarterback behind Matt Schaub and Dan Orlovsky.
“We’re fortunate to get a player like Matt,” Kubiak said. “I like him a lot. This is a positive move for our organization. Matt fits what we do. ...
Considering we have multiple threads and/or lengthy threads on pure speculation, people having differing opinion on an actual transaction is refreshing.
Aw man! I LIKED Booty! If he ever became the starter we could play that KC and the Sunshine Band song as his theme. Dang!
And yet the Derrick Ward signing is only on page 7.
That was a signing that has immediate impact on our team (he will likely play every Sunday).
I don't really see why certain folks are upset with this signing. I'm happy with it. Leinart's not a bad backup to have at all in my opinion. I like him a lot better than Orvlosky, that's for sure. Good signing in my opinion.
I just don't see how this situation is much different from last season when we had playoff aspirations and started the season with Dan-O and Grossman behind Schaub.
I don't recall everyone crying that the sky was falling because we had a reclamation project as a third string QB back then.
Pretty similar situation if you ask me, other than the fact that a lot of people dislike Lineart personally, because they think he's arrogant, or more likely they're Horns fans who have dislike for him in their DNA.
Wait, what?
I'm confused.
You're giving Kubiak credit for doing something right?
sorry, couldn't resist
And the move for Warner makes Whisenhunt a whise man.
It made the Cardinals a dominant offensive team who went to the Super Bowl.
So, score card reads Whisenhunt 1....Green 0 in that department.
I have very little sympathy for Leinart. It's like Rick Flair says "You wanna' BE the man? Then you gotta' BEAT the man."
This is year 2 of Orlovsky and he has not gotten better, so there should be more concern. IMO he was never any good.
The other difference is that Orlovsky and Grossman were here for all of camp as opposed to Leinart coming in.
Who knows, Leinart could learn the playbook and develop locker room good will in a few weeks and we could release Orlovsky. But then we would have no continuity at the back up position going into 2011, assuming Leinart does not like backing up a healthy Schaub.
This fan's issue is with the use of a roster position. Of course, I could turn it into a player development issue, but that is for a later date.
And yet the Derrick Ward signing is only on page 7.
That was a signing that has immediate impact on our team (he will likely play every Sunday).
That's a reflection of most feeling encouraged or, at least, comfortable by Ward's acquisition, while Leinart's acquisition has stimmulated a great deal of negativity and head scratching. Even most of those who are "good" with the decision, seem to be so more as "resigned" to the move, and with the need to support him because now he is a Texan.
well Duuuuh!! What guy doesn't??
oh wait, You mean the QB don't you?
...never mind.
Matt Leinart took a big pay cut
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 7, 2010 4:16 PM ET
When Matt Leinart said he wanted to stay in Arizona because it was his best chance to play in 2010, it was part of a high stakes game of chicken with the Cardinals. He was essentially daring Arizona to keep him.
Lost in the negotiating ploy was the fact Arizona did present Leinart his best chance to play and ultimately his best earning potential for 2010.
Word comes from John McClain of the Houston Chronicle that Leinart is only slated to make $600,000 in 2010, with a maximum of $1 million if he reaches incentives.
It's interesting to note that those incentives are tied to his spot on the depth chart, not whether he plays. Leinart gets $23,125 for each game he's designated the team's backup, rather than the inactive No. 3 quarterback.
Even if Leinart was the backup all 16 weeks -- which won't happen -- the salary must be humbling for him. It's a huge reduction from the $2.5 million he was slated to make in Arizona, and less than half of what Texans backup Dan Orlovsky will make.
Leinart didn't want to be a backup at his new location, and he won't be. Yet. He's now a No. 3 quarterback and has the salary to match.
It's up to him whether this marks a career low point or a preview for his next five years.
Matt Leinart signed a one-year contract with the Texans today for a base of $630,000. The deal can max out at $1 million.
Leinart gets $23,125 for every game in which he's the No. 2 backup. That doesn't count being designated as the 3rd QB.
Rick Smith is awesome.
Period.
Thanks CND, I've been so curious about this signing. Such a friendly contract for us. There is no chance Leinart beats out Orlovsky at the beginning of the season. Maybe if he had been here all offseason, but that's a stretch.From PFT:
From McClain's Twitter:
Agreed. I'd love to hear Smith negotiating just about any deal. Upgraded the #3 spot with a guy earning vet minimum that has nothing but upside. Good job Smith.Rick Smith is awesome.
Period.
What I wouldn't give to have been a fly on the wall during the Aaron Schobel negotiations.
This is a price that tells me we were the lone hunter. Makes me wonder that much more why Smith wouldn't have forced the option year for at least trade value.
This is a price that tells me we were the lone hunter. Makes me wonder that much more why Smith wouldn't have forced the option year for at least trade value.
"He's obviously a talented young man to have been the 10th pick in the draft," Texans coach Gary Kubiak said. "Those things happen in this business, and it's a chance for him to get a fresh start. We're getting a very smart player who has been productive, and we'll see if we can kind of get the motor going again and all that back. So it's a nice try for us as a football team and it makes us deeper at the quarterback position."
Can someone remind me what Orlovsky is getting paid? I know Leinart is #3, and Orlovsky is #2, but didnt Dan get a ridiculous contract for a #2?
Just curious.
Can someone remind me what Orlovsky is getting paid? I know Leinart is #3, and Orlovsky is #2, but didnt Dan get a ridiculous contract for a #2?
Just curious.
Nevermind - google to the rescue. 3 year 9.1 million with 2.4 guaranteed. Is that right?
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6288896.html
Probably a little bit of both, more concentrated to Leinart being cheap. Pretty sure $620K is vet minimum.So Leinart, a top 10 pick, heisman winner, is getting paid less this year than the man who holds the NFL record for consecutive losses. Talk about humbling a person. I guess this reveals how bad of a contract Orlovsky got, or how cheap we got Leinart. Maybe a little of both.
Can someone remind me what Orlovsky is getting paid? I know Leinart is #3, and Orlovsky is #2, but didnt Dan get a ridiculous contract for a #2?
Probably a little bit of both, more more concentrated to Leinart being cheap. Pretty sure $620K is vet minimum.
To put it in perspective with other deals with backups when we signed Orlovsky:
Chris Simms - 2 years, $6 million including $1.5 million signing bonus.
Luke McCown - 2 years, $7.5 million including $2.5 million signing bonus.
Ryan Fitzpatrick - 3 years, $8 million including $1.2 million signing bonus.
Sage Rosenfels - 3 years, $9 million including $1.4 million signing bonus.
Dan Orlovsky - 3 years, $9.1 million including $2.4 millions signing bonus.
I keep hearing that Whisenhunt brought Warner to Arizona.
But Whisenhunt was hired in 2007 (January).
Warner had been there since 2005.
A large part of my discontent is because there is no future with Leinart. Not as a QB, and not as a trading commodity.
So the risk is not only higher than the reward, there's actually no reward there at all. It's ALL risk.
Do we want a Pouty Face no-good QB in our locker room? People like David Carr and Matt Leinart need to wise up and realize their future is in modeling and not in quarterbacking. It's just how it is.
I realize that this is a Leinart thread. But can you (or anyone) explain how a "financial incentive" to stay healthy works? Inquiring minds want to know.I think it's too early to say that. He's been here 3 years and only played one complete season. And like I said before, he had a financial incentive last season.
I realize that this is a Leinart thread. But can you (or anyone) explain how a "financial incentive" to stay healthy works? Inquiring minds want to know.
I realize that this is a Leinart thread. But can you (or anyone) explain how a "financial incentive" to stay healthy works? Inquiring minds want to know.
Tell that fellow Schaub, he might seriously consider staying healthy........or else.................
Tell that fellow Schaub, he might seriously consider staying healthy........or else.................
I realize that this is a Leinart thread. But can you (or anyone) explain how a "financial incentive" to stay healthy works? Inquiring minds want to know.
Schaub had a $10,000,000 option to be paid after last season. So, if he stunk the place up, they could have released him without paying that option.
But I think that Schaub had played well enough the first couple of years that they would have kept him unless he really had a very bad year. I don't buy into the "he stayed healthy to get that money" thing.
Must spread rep.
I'm not either. Mainly because a) he holds on to the ball for the longest trying to make plays downfield and b) that's the nature of the position. Less than half the starting QBs in the league started all 16 games last season.Whatever the case may be, I'm still not convinced that Schaub's going to play all 16 games again this year.
But, to suggest that Schaub's pain threshold was higher in 2009 than previous years due to an impending bonus is totally baseless. Matt tried to play on a torn MCL in the 2008 Vikings game. That Kubiak allowed him to was insane. But, it certainly proved what Schaub was willing to do for the team.
So the good looking cant be good qbs.....well that explains why I cant make a NFL team.
Seriously get over your jealousy of David Carr. He was a good looking guy that was #1 pick...big deal. He is gone He wasnt destructive to our team or any team he has been on. He was just a shell shocked Qb that didnt work out. They got rid of him. I think Schaub has had a lot more slack since he has a joe public look to him. I am willing to bet during his first two injury plauged years he would have been ripped if had the GQ look about him.
Give Matt Leinart a chance before running the same smack you used with DC.
He is better than dano and I believe that super bowl champ David Carr would be as well.
No, even when Schaub was getting hurt because of bad pocket awareness and holding onto the ball too long...he still had the other skills to make himself a good QB.
Carr and Leinart do not. The main thing they lack, that Schaub has, is a self-respect and passion for getting better. Schaub began throwing the ball away when there wasn't a play. He's changing his habits.
Carr and Leinart are two QBs who are not bad QBs because they are handsome. They just happen to be bad QBs who are handsome. Go with what works for ya', and what works for them is the looks.
Seems like I was actually giving them some credit for being of some service to society.
I can only surmise that you must be an ugly sumbitch, GP... lol
I can only surmise that you must be an ugly sumbitch, GP... lol
Sorry.
Back to topic.
Must spread rep.
Got it TPN
I'm not either. Mainly because a) he holds on to the ball for the longest trying to make plays downfield and b) that's the nature of the position. Less than half the starting QBs in the league started all 16 games last season.
But, to suggest that Schaub's pain threshold was higher in 2009 than previous years due to an impending bonus is totally baseless. Matt tried to play on a torn MCL in the 2008 Vikings game. That Kubiak allowed him to was insane. But, it certainly proved what Schaub was willing to do for the team.
If you mean that we are predicting his present motives and actions based on well reported past behaviors....Yes! I tend to believe a lot of what i've read in nearly every sports publication in the country since he was drafted.
As far as downside....If Schaub goes down....from games I've watched this guy play...I'd say there was a lot of downside...