Señor Stan
El Guapo
All I have to add to the discussion is this...
Everyone needs to go to their User CP and edit options so that they can see 50 posts per page. My "Texans agree to terms with Matt Leinart" thread is only 8 pages long.
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Texans agree to terms with Matt Leinart
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All I have to add to the discussion is this...
Everyone needs to go to their User CP and edit options so that they can see 50 posts per page. My "Texans agree to terms with Matt Leinart" thread is only 8 pages long.
SheTexan
Hall of Fame
Hopefully, he'll spend the year carrying a clipboard, watching and learning from some of the best, and getting his priorities straight. He's a TEXAN now, and I'll support him until he no longer wears our jersey. I want him to succeed, just like I hope Rackers succeeds, as a Texan. As these new guys come in we need to embrace them and make them part of our Texan family. As it has been pointed out so many times on this board, players can have very successful careers after a change of environment. Let's hope this theory works out for both our ex-Cardinals. Seems to be working out pretty good for A. Smith!
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
I have never thought highly of Leinart as a NFL QB, based upon his collegiate success.
If he can't beat out Orlovosky, it should mean that we will be drafting a QB next year and perhaps bringing in another veteran.
I would not call a Kubiak a developer of QBs, so I am not sure of the logic behind carrying three QBs for the year, two of which are career back ups.
If he can't beat out Orlovosky, it should mean that we will be drafting a QB next year and perhaps bringing in another veteran.
I would not call a Kubiak a developer of QBs, so I am not sure of the logic behind carrying three QBs for the year, two of which are career back ups.
Agreed. You don't strike oil every time you drill. Does that mean you stop drilling??
GP
Go Texans!
How do you trade a guy when his contract is up at the end of the year?
You think we're going to be able to trade him before the trade deadline? LOL.
It's a long shot that he re-signs here. (1) Kubiak might not want to re-sign him, and (2) Leinart might want to go be "The Man" somewhere else, which is what's gonna' happen, by the way.
That's why this signing is a big fat question mark. Not a multi-year deal, so that is very telling for both parties: They each are not all that enamored with one another, keeping it to a one-year testing period.
The guy is atrocious, and there's a lot of tape and analysis on him that says his problems are inherent to who he is on AND off the field. The older ya' get, the harder to change those stripes.
People need to stop fooling themselves about the future of Leinart in Houston. It's a one-year gig, as insurance against Orlovsky and Schaub both getting hurt. For as bad as Dan has been, I'd still start him over Leinart right now.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
This is what I don't understand. How come we didn't at least try to work out an option year so that we could at least try and pry a 6 or 7 from somebody in 2011. I thought we should have tried to get that option year on Grossman too. I think you're a little too pessimistic about Leinart but time will tell. Regardless I agree with you on the one year gig thing. He's gone after 2010 and that's fine. I just hope the Texans take this backup QB position more seriously in the future and don't get us in a bind like this again in 2011 (assuming it isn't a lock-out/strike year)
Bingo!!!
Didn't Wisenhunt bring in Warner during his first year and then brought in Anderson when Warner retired? I'm just saying.... Sure looks like more than coincidence to me.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
I've been thinking about this since this signing. We were sold the idea that Kubiak was a very good QB coach when he came here. Since he's been here he's been unable to coach up any of the QBs he's brought in here, save Schaub.
I like Kubiak, but working with Elway, Steve Young and a QB friendly system should not automatically give you the moniker of being an excellent QB coach.
Heck, maybe I'm wrong and he is a great QB coach. I'd just like a little proof
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
One thing is for certain, he can implement an offensive attack over a couple of years.
GP
Go Texans!
A large part of my discontent is because there is no future with Leinart. Not as a QB, and not as a trading commodity.
So the risk is not only higher than the reward, there's actually no reward there at all. It's ALL risk.
Do we want a Pouty Face no-good QB in our locker room? People like David Carr and Matt Leinart need to wise up and realize their future is in modeling and not in quarterbacking. It's just how it is.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Ummmmmm, that's kind of a big one; Not to mention Sage did fairly well here too, for being a career **** up, errrrrrrrr back-up.
GP
Go Texans!
And the move for Warner makes Whisenhunt a whise man.
It made the Cardinals a dominant offensive team who went to the Super Bowl.
So, score card reads Whisenhunt 1....Green 0 in that department.
I have very little sympathy for Leinart. It's like Rick Flair says "You wanna' BE the man? Then you gotta' BEAT the man."
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
True, but he was as mind-****ed as Dan O. Several good plays then...boom, a pick, fumble, etc.
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
Plus Sage sucked before he came to Houston. Nobody wanted him. He came to Houston and became a pretty sought after QB, enough to get us a 4th round pick right? Also he goes to Minnesota and he had something there. Enough to make them say, 'we aint just gonna cut him'.
Schaub was supposedly a career back up who only had two career starts in which, I believe, he lost. Now he's tops in the league in percentage and yards.
I'm one that doesn't like Orlovsky to be the backup. However, even I can see where he improved from last year. We only have preseason games to work with but this year he in Az he had us go on a pretty long drive that Slaton fumbled away. That was impressively long drive at that time. He led us on a TD drive against the Saints, and he didn't turn the ball over vs. Dallas. He really only screwed up in the Tampa Bay game. All of that showed me that he's not ready to be a back up QB at this time, but it didn't say that he didn't improve from last year when he started with Kubiak to this year.
Maybe we should also give credit to Kubiak for some decisions he did make concerning the QB position. Heck, he pretty much flat out told Bob Mcnair that HWNSNBM isn't going to cut it and Matt Schaub would and he got that right.
For the record, what was your opinion of the Schaub trade when we gave up two 2nd rd picks? Did you honestly think Schaub would turn into a pro bowl QB back in 2007?? Did you think it was a good move? (other than the getting rid of HWWNBN factor)
TexanBacker93
Veteran
What team would give up a draft choice for a player they knew the Cardinals were going to release? If they trade for them they take on the contract. If they sign them as FAs they can get them at a discount rate (hopefully).
I remember when the Texans were going to release Aaron Glenn or Jamie Sharper or Gary Walker and a lot of fans thought the team should trade them. It would be great, but most of the teams would rather keep their picks and attempt to sign them as FAs.
I'd be mad if the Texans passed up a solid #2 or got rid of a solid #2 to sign Leinart for a year, but the fact is they didn't. After the Cardinals preseason game I don't remember people discussing Booty as if he were the 2nd coming of Kurt Warner. I wouldn't have minded him being the #2, but I won't off a cliff or ***** and moan about the fact that he got cut and they brought in someone else. This is a 1 year deal in a no-cap year. What exactly do the Texans lose by having him as a backup?
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
I suppose I was neutral, if anything. I've never been an advocate of trading draft picks, but given our situation at the position I just looked the other way.
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
And the fact that Az pretty much is picking up the tab on it by outright releasing him, makes it so much less of a gamble.
TexanBacker93
Veteran
Maybe he isn't a good QB. Have you seen anything from the other candidates to be Schaub's backup to say they are or can be good QBs?
V3rm0nt3r
Rookie
You DO realize that's pronounced WIZZ, right?
I thought it was still clever. Got your back GP.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
Leinart, 1 year deal, 3rd string QB replacing John David Booty? I'll take it.
As others have pointed out his 'past', that concerns me some as well. Prima-donna attitude, reports of a HWSNBN-like work ethic replacing the family with college chicks, etc etc. But I'm willing to give guys a second chance. He's been embarrassed the last couple years, finally gets released and has to sign on with some team in Houston that's never been to the playoffs to be their 3rd string QB sitting behind Dan 'winless' Orlovsky??? Pretty humbling. He's a Texan and I hope we can all support him. As much as we may poke fun of or not like Leinart's off-field antics.... as far as we know that's been partying and hot tub late nights with hot chicks. I'm willing to give him the chance to redeem himself after "those terrible" crimes. Work ethic is basically what it comes to, and he's got to prove THIS SEASON that he's got it. If not, he won't be on the Texans and will be a 3rd string for the Lions or Raiders or Rams next year if he's in the NFL at all. As far as we know he doesn't sexually assualt women in clubs, he doesn't torture animals and run underground dogfighting rings, he hasn't had weapon and drug charges, and gosh darnit he isn't a habitual user of hCG!!
Seriously, what I'd like to happen is Kubiak/Knapp spends time working with him (the same time they would have been spending with Booty) and he shows development. He shows them he's (1) got the talent and just as importantly, if not moreso (2) he's got it in his mind of what has to be done now - aka better work ethic. He comes in when we're up a bunch in the 4th quarter for Kubes to evaluate, get some real time film and we like what we see. End up re-signing him to a 2-3 year deal. At this point Dan-O has 1 year left on his contract, either stays or gets cut. All our players are in their prime, we're a consistent deep playoff threat and Leinart develops well into this system that we only have to carry 2 QBs on the roster. We're making our Super Bowl runs, Leinart gets mop up duty for the most part but he's been developed into a great backup.
As others have pointed out his 'past', that concerns me some as well. Prima-donna attitude, reports of a HWSNBN-like work ethic replacing the family with college chicks, etc etc. But I'm willing to give guys a second chance. He's been embarrassed the last couple years, finally gets released and has to sign on with some team in Houston that's never been to the playoffs to be their 3rd string QB sitting behind Dan 'winless' Orlovsky??? Pretty humbling. He's a Texan and I hope we can all support him. As much as we may poke fun of or not like Leinart's off-field antics.... as far as we know that's been partying and hot tub late nights with hot chicks. I'm willing to give him the chance to redeem himself after "those terrible" crimes. Work ethic is basically what it comes to, and he's got to prove THIS SEASON that he's got it. If not, he won't be on the Texans and will be a 3rd string for the Lions or Raiders or Rams next year if he's in the NFL at all. As far as we know he doesn't sexually assualt women in clubs, he doesn't torture animals and run underground dogfighting rings, he hasn't had weapon and drug charges, and gosh darnit he isn't a habitual user of hCG!!
Seriously, what I'd like to happen is Kubiak/Knapp spends time working with him (the same time they would have been spending with Booty) and he shows development. He shows them he's (1) got the talent and just as importantly, if not moreso (2) he's got it in his mind of what has to be done now - aka better work ethic. He comes in when we're up a bunch in the 4th quarter for Kubes to evaluate, get some real time film and we like what we see. End up re-signing him to a 2-3 year deal. At this point Dan-O has 1 year left on his contract, either stays or gets cut. All our players are in their prime, we're a consistent deep playoff threat and Leinart develops well into this system that we only have to carry 2 QBs on the roster. We're making our Super Bowl runs, Leinart gets mop up duty for the most part but he's been developed into a great backup.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
Matt Leinart has tons more potential than John David Booty. If Leinart doesn't have the drive to improve that Kubiak wants, he'll be gone. Some say Leinart doesn't have any future in Houston... well the same can be said about John David Booty. Leinart has the chance to improve, beat out Dan-O and become our solid backup QB. I never saw that in Booty.
GP
Go Texans!
I think it's just odd that we took the guy on. That's pretty much it.
Yes, we didn't lose a draft pick. Yes, it sounds as though the contract is cheap (due to him getting a ROYAL payment from the Cardinals).
The risks are that he's a dud superstar coming into a locker room full of guys who are the antithesis of what he has been his whole career. I hope our guys influence HIM and not the other way around. We don't need anoybody buying into his Poor Pitiful Me act. That's a risk.
Another risk is that the coaching staff somehow elevates him to QB #2 over the course of the season, and then he gets to come in if Schaub goes out with an injury. I don't want that. None of us should want that. There's still a little shine left on Leinart that hasn't faded yet, and he better be the 3rd string guy and just ride out his time with us.
The last thing, and it's not really a "risk," is that the guy is gone after this year. One year deal. He will NOT stay here to be the backup next year. You can bank on that.
So my opinion is that this was a weird acquistion for us. Awkward. But hey, it got us talking about something for several days didn't it? Gonna' make the week fly by.
Oh, and you can bet your boots that the MAIN STORY about the Texans (with the sports media this weekend) will be shots of Leinart in a Texans uniform on the sideline. That'll be the lead-in to talk about our game with the Colts. Then they'll transition with talking about Schaub's performance against the Colts. Then, after this Sunday...it won't be a topic anymore. LOL.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Who here believes that if Schaub went down in the next few weeks for let's say only 4 games, either Orlovsky or Leinart could afford us a "stay in the race" 2-2 record? In a year that the team and ownership has essentially relayed the message that they are pulling out all the stops to at least reach the playoffs, it blows my mind that there has been no move to bring in veteran backup. Sage didn't give us quality starter material, but he gave us 6victories in 12 games. We have NO reasonable expectations that either of our present backups can offer us much of any hope if Schaub goes down for even only a couple of games. A team like this, with goals for THIS year, have got to have more forthought to the backup position than just having a clipboard holder or a player you want to see if you can turn around and develop.
GP
Go Texans!
It was my reference to the movie Hot Rod when he puts a heavy "H" sound into the words "why" and "who" etc.
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
All I'm suggesting is that Schaub was due for a $10 million roster bonus last year.
From the Dec 7 article (after the JAX game.)
I like the guy too and can't argue with his results. I know he looked like a hero on TV when he came charging back into the JAX game after getting knocked out.
I'm just pointing out that he also had a financial incentive for getting back into that game. Bearing that in mind, I don't have any problem bringing in Leinart. He has way more of an upside than any other backup QB that's out there.
BTW, any Texan fan who doesn't read AJ's column is doing themselves a disservice. He has a lot of info you don't hear anywhere else.
GP
Go Texans!
People can say he's a diva all they want, but this where a guy like Jeff Garcia would shine. he has the scrambling ability and the past experience with being in a good offense (Philly).
He'd be a guy who could take our weapons at TE, RB, and WR and would just flourish. IMO, of course.
We need a real salty, scrappy guy out there in case Schaub goes down. Not a few guys who are jittery and insecure. I'd take Joe Montana right now over the backups we have.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
If Schaub goes down right now, we've got Dan The Interception Man to come in and Matt Hot Tub Leinart still learning. No, I don't believe any of our QBs (including Booty if he came back) can take over for Schaub and play, at a minimum, at 500 level football and hold the fort until Schaub returns.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
Saw Troy Smith and Pat White were released. Those are two guys I wouldn't have minded seeing as our 3rd string. Add a little more excitment to things. 
Let's also not forget that against TB, we were down to a single RB and Kubiak had to adjust his game plan to throw, throw, throw so that he didn't get his last good RB hurt. Would've been much different play-calling in a real-game situation. Orlovsky made some huge strides this year, and I see why Kubiak decided to keep him on. But BECAUSE of those mistakes against TB, I also see why he went after Leinart.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
The same can be said about every team. If the starter goes down, the team is toast. Brady/Cassell is an anomaly. Although the Patriots didn't make the playoffs, 11 wins is pretty damn good for a starter much less a back up! I do understand the difference here though, is that Schaub has been injured before and missed significant time. But I think this past year he's showed everybody he isn't soft, he can take the hits, and that he's NOT injury prone.
If Dan-O or Leinart or Booty had to come in, I would not feel comfortable at all about our chances. Sage at least gave me some confidence, that feeling of "hey it doesn't look great but we've got a chance". But even with Sage, who we consider a great backup to have.... I don't see us have much shot at all of playoffs - and if we happen to make it, we'd be out in the first round. We might be able to bet the Rams/Lions/Etc but having to face the Ravens/Jets/Chargers??? Heck no.
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
I think it's too early to say that. He's been here 3 years and only played one complete season. And like I said before, he had a financial incentive last season.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
Totally understandable. But any QB we brought in would most likely be signed to a 1 year deal and their future with the Texans would be about as good as Booty's, Craig Nall's or Shane Boyd's. As far as Leinart being trade bate? It's very doubtful THIS year. Unless a team has QB injuries and gets desperate or what I won't speak of... how Sage's value increased. A team could want to trade for him (6th/7th conditional) knowing their chances of getting him if he's an unrestricted FA would be thin. Again, I think any trade with him this season is very unlikely.
The main thing is which ever QB we have, had, or could have had as our 3rd stringer had a longshot to stay in a Texans uniform for a long period of time. It's not out of the question that we re-sign Leinart after this season. Probably he goes elsewhere, but on the other hand if Booty were the 3rd string still we may have ended up getting rid of him, drafting a QB in 2011 draft or picking up another guy next season.
I wouldn't get too caught up in Leinart's 1 year deal and potential no future with the Texans bit. Not unless we had cut Orlovsky and only had Schaub/Leinart on the roster!
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
I hear you. But there were huge question marks about Schaub going into last year. A lot of people were calling him soft, etc etc. He answered the questions for me. Regardless of the "contract/bonus theory" he's showed the toughness to stay in the games after every tough hit. He's developed into THE leader of this team, he's got the confidence, and his team mates believe in him. He's not missing significant time unless its a significant injury. THAT is what could happen to any QB. Is he Favre? no but he's proved he's going to stay in the game unless a bone is broken, that he's not "injury prone". That's good enough for me.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
I know you're not asking me but... I thought it was a genius move. I thought Schaub was going to be a great QB. I thought he was a perfect fit.
I just knew we needed to get HWWNBM out of town. I wasn't a big fan of using two #2s to get a backup QB with limited starts. I was for bringing in a F/A or two (Jake the Snake, Chris Simms, and Jeff Garcia were available) and let them duke it out with Sage for the starting job.
But when Schaub's first official act was to call his teammates and get to know them; he had me on his side. I'd never heard of a guy calling his future teammates before he had even moved to town.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Prior to the trade, I had heard a lot about how Schaub was really a #1 even though he was backing up Vick. He was the hottest thing on the market (even though he wasn't a FA) and several teams were trying to work out trades to get him. When we landed him, I was surprised and heartened because we were getting a true franchise QB from everything I'd seen and heard. I was kinda pissed when people started dissing him as just some backup QB.
houstonspartan
All Pro
Yep. Schaub was a backup in function only. He was a talent that everybody was sniffing around. That's why when Kubiak met him over a weekend and played golf with him and got to know him, they hammered out a deal FAST. If you recall, that whole thing went down pretty quickly.
A bunch of other teams were after Schaub.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
Ditto. I even made a bet with a friend that he'd make the Pro Bowl in 3-5 years. This conceding the fact that Manning and Brady were virtual locks, leaving only 1 spot open. And the fact that his first "pro bowl calibre" year wouldn't get him in, he'd have to have 2 straight.
I forgot about that. What a great move bringing Schaub in. That was an awesome thing to hear too!
There was even a large number of Atlanta fans that knew he was a better QB than Vick and that he really should be starting in place of him. I kind of laugh thinking back about those "Start Sage over Schaub" threads too.
I have to smile to myself about that. It's rather entertaining to go back into the archives and see who was bashing Schaub and wanting him to be benched, traded, or burned in effigy just a couple of years ago.
must resist
urge to
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Thorn
Dirty Old Man
I have to smile to myself about that. It's rather entertaining to go back into the archives and see who was bashing Schaub and wanting him to be benched, traded, or burned in effigy just a couple of years ago.
must resist
urge to
name names
Aw, go ahead and name names. I was one of them. I trashed Schaub and the trade to get him. Looks light I might have been a tad wrong on that one. LOL
Aww... it's all good.
Remember, I wasn't initially thrilled about the deal either. I knew SOMETHING had to be done, I just wasn't sure that was it. Turns out, it was.
Saw Troy Smith and Pat White were released. Those are two guys I wouldn't have minded seeing as our 3rd string. Add a little more excitment to things.
I would have liked to have given either one of those guys the "rope" they've given Orlovsky. I will say, I'm not sure either has the arm strength that Dan-O does. They just seem to have more smarts. In my book smarts >> arm strength at the QB position.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
All this still begs the question of how our quarterback evaluation guru and negotiation guru have waited for the last minute to put us in this messy situation in a year that's so important to everyone's "security" and psyche.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Nothing against Orlovsky personally, for one who was hoping that Orlovsky would have developed as expected, I have to say that I had never heard Orlovsky speak before.............until the Bucs preinterview. I thought that I was listening to a boxer who had taken one too many hits. It seemed as though he had a great deal of trouble putting one word after the other. He left me with the feeling that he would need one hell of an arm out there on the field.
michaelm
vox nihili
I just don't see how this situation is much different from last season when we had playoff aspirations and started the season with Dan-O and Grossman behind Schaub.
I don't recall everyone crying that the sky was falling because we had a reclamation project as a third string QB back then.
Pretty similar situation if you ask me, other than the fact that a lot of people dislike Lineart personally, because they think he's arrogant, or more likely they're Horns fans who have dislike for him in their DNA.
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I don't recall everyone crying that the sky was falling because we had a reclamation project as a third string QB back then.
Pretty similar situation if you ask me, other than the fact that a lot of people dislike Lineart personally, because they think he's arrogant, or more likely they're Horns fans who have dislike for him in their DNA.
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