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Kubiak: Keep or Fire?

Should Kubiak get one more year?

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HOU-TEX said:
Dadgum, I wish I would've been there.

This thread's getting a bit ridiculous, no? I think we all want what's best for the Texans and have differing opinions on what that would be. IMO, it's practically obvious Kubiak will be here next season whether we like it or not and there ain't diddly we can do about it. I can understand threads with civil discussions of what to do and why. I don't understand verbally *****-slapping each other when somebody else won't support a particular opinion that quite frankly, ain't likely going to happen either.

Just remember, we all want the same thing.
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Yes. Yes it has. It's spun into the absurd, although some of the verbal *****-slapping is kind of funny........ in a pathetic sort of way.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
i hope you are right but I don't want to fire Kubiak to somehow punish Kubiak or to punish the people still supporting him. I want an upgrade. I don't want another experiment or hotshot coordinator. I want a proven commodity that can help this team live up to expectations and play to the best of their ability.
its basically Cowher, Gruden, Schotty, or Holmgren for me. There are a few guys out there that are unproven that I wouldn't mind taking a look at, but I think we need a guy with a proven plan, good coaching connections, experience in game situations, and who has run a team before. it's a short list but why wouldn't anyone want to come here. Young team, great facilities, and one of the few local economies that aren't completely in the tank. QUOTE]

I do not like Gruden - don't ask me why - don't know - just something about him. It looks like Holmgrin is wanting to be a GM and not a coach and has stated that he wants his deal done by Christmas - kind of looking like Cleveland.

Now Cowher or Schotty - I would have to agree I think either of them would be an upgrade.

I do not want a change in the coaching staff for change sake. Get an upgrade with a proven coach only. No more rookie coaches.
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Texan_Bill said:
Yes. Yes it has. It's spun into the absurd, although some of the verbal *****-slapping is kind of funny........ in a pathetic sort of way.
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Even though our playoff hopes are all but gone, we still have 3 games to watch, disect and discuss. Our verbal *****-slapping should be towards Rams fans (if they have any left), Phins fans and Pats fans. Not each other.

Geez, y'all are making me sound like a big puh C.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Even though our playoff hopes are all but gone, we still have 3 games to watch, disect and discuss. Our verbal *****-slapping should be towards Rams fans (if they have any left), Phins fans and Pats fans. Not each other.

Geez, y'all are making me sound like a big puh C.
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Well..... :whistle:

3 games then football season is over. :cry2:
 
mussop said:
Are you suggesting we just ride it out with Kubiak no matter how long it takes because eventually he will become a good coach?
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I would be very happy if we could replace Kubiak with Gruden (though, I don't think he's coaching until 2012 at the earliest). I'd be optimistic replacing him with Cowher or Schottenheimer. I'd be ok with with replacing him with Holmgren, but as I understand it, Holmgren doesn't want to coach, he wants to run the organization.

I would be interested in looking at Jim Harbaugh (though college coaches scare me too), and I'm sure there's a few other names that after evaluation might cause me to think it's a positive move.

However, I think that replacing Kubiak with Shannahan or a rookie head coach has much more potential for negative results than positive at this point. Kubiak isn't a success, but he's not a buffoon either. The chances of a rookie head coach is much greater at buffoonery than success.

Has McNair given any indication that he's any good at hiring coaches/GMs? I suppose you could argue he got better at it this time, and next time he'll get it right, but I'm not sold.

But all in all, I'm almost always against change for change sake. Getting rid of Kubiak is completely dependent on who replaces him.
 
Grams said:
Second Honeymoon said:
i hope you are right but I don't want to fire Kubiak to somehow punish Kubiak or to punish the people still supporting him. I want an upgrade. I don't want another experiment or hotshot coordinator. I want a proven commodity that can help this team live up to expectations and play to the best of their ability.
its basically Cowher, Gruden, Schotty, or Holmgren for me. There are a few guys out there that are unproven that I wouldn't mind taking a look at, but I think we need a guy with a proven plan, good coaching connections, experience in game situations, and who has run a team before. it's a short list but why wouldn't anyone want to come here. Young team, great facilities, and one of the few local economies that aren't completely in the tank. QUOTE]

I do not like Gruden - don't ask me why - don't know - just something about him. It looks like Holmgrin is wanting to be a GM and not a coach and has stated that he wants his deal done by Christmas - kind of looking like Cleveland.

Now Cowher or Schotty - I would have to agree I think either of them would be an upgrade.

I do not want a change in the coaching staff for change sake. Get an upgrade with a proven coach only. No more rookie coaches.
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You probably don't like Gruden because he's a fraud. He won with Tony's team, and then ruined it. He makes funny, goofy makes that makes him look "tough" and we laugh and say, "Oh, look at Chucky, he's so cool!"
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Can I post something again or will Big Brother be counting it toward me not listening and getting the last word?Just wondering.:peek:
 
HOU-TEX said:
Yep, it'll be over for the Texans. I'll still be watching, recording and re-watching. Gotta have something to discuss over another long off season.
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I'll be getting ready for baseball season.. Ah crap!!!! That's gonna suck too!! :gun:


Go Rockets!! idonno:
 
houstonspartan said:
You probably don't like Gruden because he's a fraud. He won with Tony's team, and then ruined it. He makes funny, goofy makes that makes him look "tough" and we laugh and say, "Oh, look at Chucky, he's so cool!"
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He took two teams to championship games, losing to the Patriots only because of a ridiculous tuck rule.

He wasn't the GM in Tampa, and allegedly the ownership there is anything but stable, which is only slightly better than Oakland.

He may have won with Tony's team, but he did far better with it than Tony did, and he's been in the playoffs 5 of 11 years with an overall winning record in the playoffs.

Gruden left Tampa? Already 5 more losses for Tampa this year.
Gruden left Oakland? While Callahan did get one extra win his first year, it's been 4 or 5 wins since with a 2 thrown in for good measure.
 
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noxiousdog said:
He took two teams to championship games, losing to the Patriots only because of a ridiculous tuck rule.

He wasn't the GM in Tampa, and allegedly the ownership there is anything but stable, which is only slightly better than Oakland.

He may have won with Tony's team, but he did far better with it than Tony did, and he's been in the playoffs 5 of 11 years with an overall winning record in the playoffs.

Gruden left Tampa? Already 5 more losses for Tampa this year.
Gruden left Oakland? While Callahan did get one extra win his first year, it's been 4 or 5 wins since with a 2 thrown in for good measure.
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Gruden killed that TB team after so many years. He left that franchise in dire measures. He's not a bad coach by any means. He's not a great one either though. He's a very stubborn coach though and is always having battles with certain players on his team that seems to distract his team's improvements. He is a guy that could possibly end up having a lot of success somewhere possibly. I wouldn't bet on it, but it's possible. He really wouldn't be high on my list for possible replacements, but I do know that he can lead some teams to the playoffs. He's done it with two different teams now and has been to the post season more than once with both so I'd still take hi over Kubes right now since Kubes can only go 8-8 at best.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Dadgum, I wish I would've been there.

This thread's getting a bit ridiculous, no? I think we all want what's best for the Texans and have differing opinions on what that would be. IMO, it's practically obvious Kubiak will be here next season whether we like it or not and there ain't diddly we can do about it. I can understand threads with civil discussions of what to do and why. I don't understand verbally *****-slapping each other when somebody else won't support a particular opinion that quite frankly, ain't likely going to happen either.

Just remember, we all want the same thing.
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this whole MB stuff is crazy. I think it's time for another self imposed hiatus.

I've been compared to a lump of coal and a parrot within the last few days!

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mussop said:
Here is a fact for you.

1960 0 -11 -1
1961 4 - 9 - 1
1962 5 - 8 - 1
1963 4 - 10
1964 5 - 8 - 1
1965 7 - 7
and finally after 6 years a winning season.

1966 10 - 3 - 1

Are you suggesting we wait seven years before firing Kubiak?
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Mussop did you even read the post I responded to? He identified Kubes as a failure after four years and indicated he could not do better. I gave one example of a coach doing it before and becoming a hall of fame coach. I did not say Kubes would end up like Landry or that we should wait seven years.

I have not made up my mind yet and I am allowed to do that. I am leaning towards him needing to go but what concerns me is who replaces him. I have no facts to support my opinion but I can't see Cowher coming here. Could it happen? Sure and that is the fun of discussing it. None of the other coaches mentioned stir me. I don't agree that replacing Kubes automatically slows the progression of the team. People say Colts have lost starters as has Houston but my thought is were our back ups as good as Indy's? Gary Kubiac is similar to David Carr imo as he was crushed by many posters. David definitely had his weaknesses as does Kubiac but the Texans did not lose only because of these two men. There are huge statements being tossed out by both sides in this thread that are more based on emotion of the writer rather than fact.
 
I voted keep because I don't want to fire him outright. I've stayed out of this thread and most of the Texans threads these days. It's too contentious and gets too ugly.

I'm discovering that I can't discuss Texans football right now, because most people are so embedded on one side or the other that they go into defensive mode and assume I am the polar opposite of them on retaining Gary or cleaning house. I've actually gotten into an argument with a friend over this crap. It ain't worth that.

I am very disappointed in Kubiak. I really thought he learned from his mistakes last year, but I keep seeing them again and again. I think we can do better. I have no problems with Smith and agree with most of what he's done.

However, I don't want to fire Kubiak for anyone. If we can get one of the better coaches on the market, than I say go for it. No unproven college coaches or coordinators, please -- and no Chuckie. I am with those that don't buy into his carefully selfcrafted wunderkind image. I don't hate Kubiak and I don't think he's a total disaster. I just don't put all of the blame on the players.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Dadgum, I wish I would've been there.

This thread's getting a bit ridiculous, no? I think we all want what's best for the Texans and have differing opinions on what that would be. IMO, it's practically obvious Kubiak will be here next season whether we like it or not and there ain't diddly we can do about it. I can understand threads with civil discussions of what to do and why. I don't understand verbally *****-slapping each other when somebody else won't support a particular opinion that quite frankly, ain't likely going to happen either.

Just remember, we all want the same thing.
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Good Post!
 
Silver Oak said:
this whole MB stuff is crazy. I think it's time for another self imposed hiatus.

I've been compared to a lump of coal and a parrot within the last few days!

omgwtf_eyes.gif
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SO, you are not a lump of coal purely on the strength of your signature.

maybe a little stubborn but you have graduated from lump of coal status, fwiw.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Yeah, if the Rockets falter we might be in for a bad professional sports year for Houston.....again.
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Dude, 42 years... 42 freakin years and all I've seen were a couple of championships by the Rockets (which was 15 years ago), and 1 WS appearance. Screw it, I'm moving to Maui. :lion:
 
Texan_Bill said:
Dude, 42 years... 42 freakin years and all I've seen were a couple of championships by the Rockets (which was 15 years ago), and 1 WS appearance. Screw it, I'm moving to Maui. :lion:
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I'm right there with ya, brah. I'm just not as much of a fossil as you. It'll only be 40 years for me in 2010.
 
Texan_Bill said:
Dude, 42 years... 42 freakin years and all I've seen were a couple of championships by the Rockets (which was 15 years ago), and 1 WS appearance. Screw it, I'm moving to Maui. :lion:
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C'mon man. The Comets won 4 Championships and The Dynamo 2.

Ok, so the Comets no longer exist, the WNBA appears to be following their lead, and the Dynamo might move again if the new stadium falls through. Still, we have those cherished memories of Sheryl Swoopes and Cynthia Cooper guiding us to immortality. Brian Ching is a legend in these parts, right?

Man, I just depressed myself beyond belief. I may just have to look into some Pacific island real estate near you.

I'll still root for Houston teams though. I just can't help myself.
 
Texan_Bill said:
Dude, 42 years... 42 freakin years and all I've seen were a couple of championships by the Rockets (which was 15 years ago), and 1 WS appearance. Screw it, I'm moving to Maui. :lion:
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And if Michael Jordan hadn't left the Bulls to play baseball, the Rockets wouldn't have those two championships.
 
John Clayton thinks he'll be back as long as we dont collapse.(Oh wait, didnt we already?;):rolleyes:)

Q: I've heard rumors that Gary Kubiak might retain his job because the Texans are closer than it seems to a future playoff appearance. If they do keep him, what steps do you think Houston should take to keep the team moving forward? Could something as simple as a change at running backs coach help them out?

Alex in Austin, Texas

A: The Texans are close, but I thought the four-game losing streak in the division could cost Kubiak his job, particularly with Mike Shanahan and Bill Cowher available. As long as the Texans don't collapse, Kubiak is expected to stay. What he has to figure out more than anything else is how to keep the running game consistent. Steve Slaton was going great until he had the seven fumbles, and then the running game was shot. Ryan Moats and Chris Brown didn't work out. The Texans have developed a good, young defense. Matt Schaub is on the verge of moving into the elite class of quarterbacks. But at some point, the Texans have to do better in the AFC South. Going 7-3 outside the division and 1-5 in the division leaves them in the 8-8 rut.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=4747469
 
Thorn said:
And if Michael Jordan hadn't left the Bulls to play baseball, the Rockets wouldn't have those two championships.
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I don't buy that. The Rockets beat the Bulls the majority of the time in Chicago's heyday, right?

I know for sure that no one in the league had an answer for Olajuwon. Vernon Maxwell couldn't completely shut Jordan down, but I'm pretty sure that he could outperform whoever the Bulls threw at Hakeem.
 
Dan B. said:
I don't buy that. The Rockets beat the Bulls the majority of the time in Chicago's heyday, right?

I know for sure that no one in the league had an answer for Olajuwon. Vernon Maxwell couldn't completely shut Jordan down, but I'm pretty sure that he could outperform whoever the Bulls threw at Hakeem.
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Jordan leaves for two years to play baseball, the Rockets win the championship. Jordan comes back and the Rockets don't win the championship anymore.

Just saying..........
 
HOU-TEX said:
I'm right there with ya, brah. I'm just not as much of a fossil as you. It'll only be 40 years for me in 2010.
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Sure. Kick a dog when he's down! Rub that salt in the wounds.... :aggressive:

Dan B. said:
C'mon man. The Comets won 4 Championships and The Dynamo 2.

Ok, so the Comets no longer exist, the WNBA appears to be following their lead, and the Dynamo might move again if the new stadium falls through. Still, we have those cherished memories of Sheryl Swoopes and Cynthia Cooper guiding us to immortality. Brian Ching is a legend in these parts, right?

Man, I just depressed myself beyond belief. I may just have to look into some Pacific island real estate near you.

I'll still root for Houston teams though. I just can't help myself.
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Thanks for that cheery little post, Dan!!

Thorn said:
And if Michael Jordan hadn't left the Bulls to play baseball, the Rockets wouldn't have those two championships.
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Jordan was in the league during one of the Championships, but nice!! That's what I really needed to hear was about the old * next to the Rockets Championships.


Is it time to get drunk yet? Because between y'alls posts, I'm pretty depressed right now... Thanks guys!!
 
Thorn said:
That not how I remember it. But then, a lot of things aren't how I remember them these days.

Nevermind. LOL
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He played that season.... But it was only for about 17 games. He came back right before the playoffs started that year. The Bulls and Jordan lost to Orlando in 6 games.
 
noxiousdog said:
I would be very happy if we could replace Kubiak with Gruden (though, I don't think he's coaching until 2012 at the earliest). I'd be optimistic replacing him with Cowher or Schottenheimer. I'd be ok with with replacing him with Holmgren, but as I understand it, Holmgren doesn't want to coach, he wants to run the organization.

I would be interested in looking at Jim Harbaugh (though college coaches scare me too), and I'm sure there's a few other names that after evaluation might cause me to think it's a positive move.

However, I think that replacing Kubiak with Shannahan or a rookie head coach has much more potential for negative results than positive at this point. Kubiak isn't a success, but he's not a buffoon either. The chances of a rookie head coach is much greater at buffoonery than success.

Has McNair given any indication that he's any good at hiring coaches/GMs? I suppose you could argue he got better at it this time, and next time he'll get it right, but I'm not sold.

But all in all, I'm almost always against change for change sake. Getting rid of Kubiak is completely dependent on who replaces him.
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I havent seen anyone one side or the other say any different. There are plenty of good choices out there that have a better resume than Kubiak. I think what we all want is a HC that is a proven leader that is capable of making adjustments and doesnt make the same mistakes over and over again.
 
GlassHalfFull said:
I have read this thread with increasing disgust. I came across Grams post and thought that she was the only one saying what I was thinking.

Why would you pick out this one line and dump on her?

I prefer to pick out the bolded part and applaud her.
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I didn't know Grams was female. :)

infantrycak said:
Huh? - dude is sporting three Super Bowl rings - one as QB coach and two as OC.
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You make a great case for Kubiak as an assistance coach. :ok:

infantrycak said:
I consider a win over a division leader a big game, but that's me.
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Especially when it's the only division win we'll get this year! :clap:

Texan_Bill said:
Dude, 42 years... 42 freakin years and all I've seen were a couple of championships by the Rockets (which was 15 years ago), and 1 WS appearance. Screw it, I'm moving to Maui. :lion:
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Damn, man...you're making me depressed to be a lifelong Houstonian now. My pancreas might just have to endure a drinking binge as a result! :barman:
 
Texan_Bill said:
He played that season.... But it was only for about 17 games. He came back right before the playoffs started that year. The Bulls and Jordan lost to Orlando in 6 games.
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Not sayin', just sayin'!


Double Barrel said:
Damn, man...you're making me depressed to be a lifelong Houstonian now. My pancreas might just have to endure a drinking binge as a result! :barman:
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Sorry man. I had to purge a little of the frustration that is being a Houston sports fan.
 
Texan_Bill said:
Sorry man. I had to purge a little of the frustration that is being a Houston sports fan.
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nah, we're birds of a feather. Being a Houston sports fan is just one of those things that you have to live to understand.

Grams said:
Yup she is. Grams short for Grandma.
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Nice. I have always appreciated your perspectives and takes, so now it all makes sense! You deal with grandkids, which isn't so much different than dealing with forum members sometimes. ;)
 
Double Barrel said:
nah, we're birds of a feather. Being a Houston sports fan is just one of those things that you have to live to understand.



Nice. I have always appreciated your perspectives and takes, so now it all makes sense! You deal with grandkids, which isn't so much different than dealing with forum members sometimes. ;)
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Thank you.
 
Well, for me - if it's possible - I'm still on the fence. I just can't commit to one side or the other, at least till the season's over. It was posted earlier, to not replace for the sake of replacing (which I think everyone agrees with) but that the replacement must have a proven track record (as an HC is probably a better specific) and not a noob.

I was thinking, I wondered how our two coaches have done in their Texans career v. the AFC South.

Capers - '02: 1-5. '03: 1-5. '04: 4-2 (impressive). '05: 0-6 (launch). total: 6-18

Then, Kubiak came in and didn't he say something to the affect of building a team to take down Peyton and the colts?

Kubiak - '06: 3-3 (good start). '07: 1-5. '08: 2-4. '09: 1-5. total: 7-17.

Meh.

If he does get his last year of the contract, it'll defintely be more than the "playoffs or bust" everyone from McNair to the fans were chanting - it'll be the "put up or shut up".

This year v. the AFC East was supposed to be the year. Not that the NFC East next year is THAT much better, but I think it'll be just a little more of a challenge to add to the 6 games already in the AFC South.
 
I will go on the record to yell put up or shut up next year. I think we have all the pieces and will add some and will dominate next year but if we all use the "pink Soap" then we will be 3 more years till we do anything.
That being said if Kubiak comes out next year and pushes us to the playoffs then does he stay longer or does he take a bath with the soap droppers.
 
Not sure if that question was for me, but personally - it HAS to be playoffs next year. I think making it will get a possible extension - but winning at least one will quell all nay sayers much more. I'm thinking the Texans will have to take it at least one deeper into the playoffs since this year was the "sneak into to the playoffs"

If playoffs are missed, then it'd better be at least a 10-6 season to have that "possible extension" mentioned earlier. I don't think 9-7 and a winning season will cut it next year.
 
OzzO said:
Then, Kubiak came in and didn't he say something to the affect of building a team to take down Peyton and the colts?
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I still believe this team is the team built to take down the Colts. & we will. It just didn't happen this year.

This year, I think is the first year we got our guys playing good football. They just need to learn to put it together for 4 quarters.

I think that will happen next year.

Then we'll dominate.
 
Goldensilence said:
I disagree about retaining Bush and Kyle. I don't think it'd work for many experienced HC. Then you have the job looking like offers from Dallas and the Raiders. I think Bush has done a decent job, but Kyle hasn't done anything to impress me that he should be an OC in this league yet.

I don't know if he's play calling or Kubiak, but either way things like picking HB throws(by Chris Brown) when you need to score doesn't strike me as something most OC would call for.

I think its also a fallacy of logic to believe that getting a new HC(especially a rookie one) means we'll have to have rookie coordinators as well.
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You do understand that (a) Kubiak officially handed off playcalling duties to Kyle at the end of last season, (b) it was lauded and celebrated in the manner of "Kubiak is all grown up, he's handed off the playcalling duties, and this year (2009) he's going to be a big boy head coach," and (c) early on in THIS season it has been on record that Kubiak has taken playcalling duties BACK from Kyle.

Kubiak has stuck his nose right back into the playbook on gameday.

He's panicking, and he's trying to save himself.

Kyle hasn't done anything because Gary Kubiak let him have the reins for all of about 1 game in 2009.

Gary Kubiak has got all of you guys whipped. LOL.
 
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