Kubiak: Keep or Fire?

Discussion in 'Texans Talk' started by Maddict5, Dec 12, 2009.

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Should Kubiak get one more year?

  1. Yes

    52.9%
  2. No

    47.1%
  1. Maddict5

    Maddict5 Hall of Fame

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    i just want to simply see what kind of support he has at the moment. also apologies if this has been done already. havent been on here since last sunday (thankfully by the looks of it) :) and haven't seen it if its been done
     
  2. TexanBacker93

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    I guess IF somehow all the cards fall into place, the Texans win their last 4, and the other wild card contenders lose and the Texans sneak into the playoffs I would support him coming back. I don't think it will happen, though, and while the team has improved, I don't feel that they can get the job done in crunch time.
     
  3. mussop

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    You should make the pole public so we can see who votes for who. I voted no.
     
  4. thunderkyss

    thunderkyss Salem Poor

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    I like the improvement I'm seeing on both sides of the ball. I think McNair is right, & we're a "player mindset" away from years of success.
     
  5. mariowillshine15

    mariowillshine15 Hall of Fame

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    Were a "good coach" away from success.
     
  6. mussop

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    Be sure to leave some cookies out for Santa this Christmas. You know he appreciates em.:spin:
     
  7. Maddict5

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    it is public... and i even considered letting people have multiple choices (especially for dexman);).. i dont see what anybody should be afraid of if its what they believe. i think he should def stay but can see why some would be against that
     
  8. Goatcheese

    Goatcheese Nightmare Over

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    Since he's going to be here anyway, I'll say give him another year. That way I won't be disappointed when it happens.
     


  9. houstonspartan

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    Thing is, you're basically wasting another year.
     
  10. GP

    GP Go Texans!

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    If it was impossible to overcome David Carr, who was a single player on the entire team, then how can this team overcome the head coach who is over the WHOLE team and has the same problem David had (hitting a ceiling, and going no further)?

    Kubiak should not get another year.

    The list is long. He can't even watch critical points of the game. Weak.
     
  11. mussop

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    Hell he cant even watch important plays hows he going to handle that kind of presure next year? If we get off to a bad start he might go blind from stress.
     
  12. Hervoyel

    Hervoyel The Right Track

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    I totally understand he's not going anywhere. I still voted to fire him now. That way next year I'll be well entrenched in the "I TOLD YOU SO!" crowd. Kubiak lost me this year.
     
  13. thunderkyss

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    David's problem was not "hitting a ceiling" David was snake bitten. If he would have made an effort to throw the ball down field when it was there, he would still be here. 3rd & 24, he was hitting the dump off even though he had options down the field. That's why he isn't here.

    This team continues to improve every week, on the fundamentals. Look at Texans Chick post, where Football Outsiders re-assesses the team after 3/4ths of the season has gone by.

    They are playing good sound football. If they keep it up, it will translate to wins.

    If they continue to make the improvements that FO says they are making, we will win.
     
  14. Lucky

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    I think this poll is incomplete. Rather than just "Should Kubiak get one more year?", I think a 3rd option of "Extend Kubiak's contract" should have been included. I think it is completely unfair to Kubiak, the players, and the organization for Gary to walk the plank next season. Either he goes into the 2010 season with the complete confidence of the organization, or hire someone who will receive that confidence. What tiny speck of confidence I had in Kubiak's coaching ability was zapped in this latest 4 game nose dive.
     
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    The Texans averaged 5.4 penalties/game over the 1st half of the season. The penalties ballooned to 9 per game in this 4 game skid.

    If they hadn't been improving on the fundamentals every week, who knows just how high the penalty total would be?
     
  16. DexmanC

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    I held out hope for Kubes as long as I could, but I always make sure I can
    back up what I believe. Kubiak has ripped the foundation from my wishes
    to keep him here. So, it is what it is.
     
  17. powerfuldragon

    powerfuldragon g'mornin to you

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    not the best reason to keep him, but i don't want to go through another three year rebuilding process.
     
  18. mussop

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    It will be 2 years of rebuilding if he comes out stinking it up and gets off to a slow start next year. :roast:
     
  19. gg no re

    gg no re iggnorent

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    He got me a pair of 99 spd/98 acc WRs plus a 99/90 CB in one draft in Madden 05 when I hired him.

    I'm all for Kubes.

    For now.
     
  20. GP

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    David Carr was not snake-bitten.

    He was (and still is) a guy who can't make his own luck. If he were to play a very bad defense, he's obviously going to survive. But he cannot read a defense, hence the dump-off passes that he just eventually convinced himself was "the only thing there for him."

    It IS the perfect example of a guy who was never going to break out from the other NFL QBs and become one of the top tier guys.

    As to the last sentence of your post: I firmly believe that even in the pro league of football, a collection of players is only as good as the support team around them (the coaches). Coaches cannot play the game for them, and must therefore be the eyes and ears behind the scenes--Scouting, doing film study until their eyes bleed, and then developing a SOUND game-plan for each and every opponent each and every week.

    In college, you can dominate other teams just by having won the recruiting war. By having a few more studs than your opponent. At that level, the talent can beat anybody anywhere. In the NFL, the talent pool is fairly equal. You have a standout QB or WR or RB scattered here and there, but the majority of games are won by the teams who out-coach the opponent.

    Frank Bush, in just his first year as our d-coord, is out-coaching Gary Kubiak's offense when it comes down to gameday strategy AND the implementation of the strategy.

    I never dreamed the defense would garner my praise, and the offense would fail me so badly. But it is what it is.

    David Carr hit his ceiling once defenses knew to throw exotic blitzes and stack 10 guys in the box as if they were blitzing all 10 of them and running only one safety back to cover our 4 receivers. Result: Drop back to a zone and either pick off the pass as David stumbled over himself in the face of a phantom blitz, or watch David run out of bounds and eat a needless sack.

    Kubiak is also hitting that ceiling, TK.

    You can see it. You don't want to see it, but it's there.
     

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