Cooks and #32 for Carr.
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Cooks and #32 for Carr.
Agreed and I've always been on the keep Tunsil train.
Loaf again? When did he loaf to begin with?
The caps not an issue.
vtech9
All Pro
I'd see if they would take a straight up trade first. Since everyone knows Carr is done in Vegas, I'm not sure any other teams would be willing to trade for him. They might all wait to see if he is cut first.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
It’s not that teams wouldn’t mind Carr, or the idea of trading to secure him versus competing for his services as a FA……it’s the contract that a team would inherit by trading for him that’s just about guaranteed him being released 3 days before the season ends.
By the way, I see the 49’ers as big players for Carr services. Might be tough for the Texans to compete at this juncture.
vtech9
All Pro
Aren't Carr's and Cooks's contracts similar? Carr did want to be drafted by Houston coming out of college. With DeMeco here, he may want to come back to Houston. Carr did play football in Houston up through his Junior year in High School, before his family moved back to California for his Senior year.
ben.aires.smith
Rookie
Texansballer74
The Marine
Raiders QB Derek Carr reportedly scheduled to visit Saints on Wednesday
The Raiders are expected to part with Carr this offseason after benching him for the final two games of the season.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Carr for 40m, no thanks. Teams interested need to get him re-do his contract.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Watch he become a Saint.
I bet it happens and I bet the Saints don't have to give up more than a 3rd to make it happen.
Mangler
Toro de España
I’m sure no team feels good about paying him $40M at this stage in his career but they may have to sign him, then restructure him. He’s a good QB that still has at least 4 years of high level play left in him. That will give our QB of the future time to sit and learn, like Aaron Rodgers was able to behind Favre. That way If Carr falls off a cliff sooner than expected, our young QB can then start instead of just being thrown to the wolves.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Do we? Mills doesn’t have 6 wins in 2 years.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Man Mills is trash lol
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Carr is a substantial upgrade over Mills and has that fire in his belly that Mills lacks.
With upgraded talent and a better coaching staff, along with an easier schedule you don't think Mills can win 6 games next year?
I mean he should have won 4 the last 2 years.
Unfortunately, Bill O'Brien is not a GM for one of the other 31 teams. Not happening.
That's not how it works, though. It's about leverage. The Texans have to get his cap number down. Laremy wants to be extended. He's not helping without that market setting extension. So as far as the Texans are concerned, Tunsil is the #1 LT.
I've got no problem with giving a top 3 LT the money he wants. Plus according to Troy Chapman you can create another 11 mil on the Cap by extending him.
Wanna sign Ebukan/Bradbury and Ward? Do this and you've got the cap room to do it.
Tunsil will be extended on a market setting contract. Everyone needs to make peace with that.
I'm at peace with it. In 2 years it won't be a market setting deal.
What is it around these parts that Texans fans don't want to pay top of the line players? This just in, if Caserio doesn't pay Tunsil somebody else will and he wants to be here.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Yep.
And then the usual 'wanna-be's without clue', will lambaste Caserio, no matter what he does.
The goal may be to tank another year..
While showing some progress..
If this is the case, they should have stuck with the Lovie/Pep/Mills trio.
Texansballer74
The Marine
The same with Texans fans wanting or only expecting to win 6 games with an atrocious quarterback.
wildroot
Veteran
Well, it doesn't show up in wins and losses. And I'm talking about an 9 year sampling (other than the one season) and he's
had much better coaching and players around him throughout his career that Mills has ever had. So this "fire in his belly" business, I
don't buy it, the numbers don't prove it out. JMO
wildroot
Veteran
Carr won 3 games his 1st year, 7 in his 2nd year, averaged 5 wins per season over his first two. That with a much better team and coaches around him.
Yeah, he was a little better but nothing that would make me want him on our team. I think we can do better.
Porky
Hall of Fame
Carr is meh at this stage of his career. Is he a huge upgrade over Mills? Of course? Beatrice down at the senior center is a huge upgrade over Mills. Tell me who isn't an upgrade? My Uncle George maybe. Of course, he's been dead for 10 years. Probably throw fewer picks though.
Why don't we actually take the smart course for a change and shuck the dumb and leave it in the dustbin. Draft your guy (my choice is B Young) at 1.2 and chart a new course with a QB that actually has a good chance to be better than Carr by a significant margin and cut the crap with the tanking and the mid-level overpaid vet guys. Nobody is tanking for **** here with DeMeco in charge. Let's actually do something unique and try to win for a change.
Why don't we actually take the smart course for a change and shuck the dumb and leave it in the dustbin. Draft your guy (my choice is B Young) at 1.2 and chart a new course with a QB that actually has a good chance to be better than Carr by a significant margin and cut the crap with the tanking and the mid-level overpaid vet guys. Nobody is tanking for **** here with DeMeco in charge. Let's actually do something unique and try to win for a change.
Nice preemptive slam of posters that may criticize Caserio. I guess this is not a good time to point out that it was Caserio's relentless restructuring that gave Tunsil the leverage for a market setting deal.Yep.
And then the usual 'wanna-be's without clue', will lambaste Caserio, no matter what he does.
I just don’t get the Tunsil trade stuff. We have 200mil in cap space next year. If we extend him then him and Cooks are the only players we have big contracts for and Cooks is probably gone this offseason. We have plenty of money and draft capital over these next two years. What we lack is good players. Now some want to trade one of our few proven players? At a position that will be vital to the development of our new QB?
It’s completely nonsensical
It’s completely nonsensical
They've won 4 with him the last 2 years. They should be adding talent in the draft and especially fa next year. Plus they have an easier schedule, so I don't think it's our of the question for them to win at least 6 games next year, especially with a less conservative offense and better coaching. In fact I think with less conservative coaching last year they could have won 6 games despite having a terrible skill position groups and a porous run defense against a much tougher schedule than they will face this weekend.
Tell me
1. How many games do you think the Texans will win next year with Mills at QB knowing what I said above? Not saying I don't want Caserio to bring in a guy like Minshew in FA.
How long do you think it will be before the Texans become contenders whether the Texans they draft a QB in this weak QB class or if they wait to draft a QB in the stronger 2024 QB draft.
Not true, I expect them to win around 6-7 games next year depending on how the draft/fa goes. Whether they draft a QB or not this yr. Drafting a QB in this yrs draft will not speed up the timeline regardless of whether we want it to or not. IMHO of course we view this QB class though totally different lenses.
Rightfully so since he's currently a top 3 LT. I've got no problem with paying a 28 yr old LT this money. Caserio is apparently about keeping and paying top tier money for all pro players vs the penny pinching that many around these parts want. It's not like Caserio didn't cleanup the cap in 2 years so he could make these types of moves and become players in the higher end fa market.
Porky
Hall of Fame
Both tackles impressed me last year, including Howard. So, I'm for extending both long term. Howard doesn't get much run around here, but he took a huge leap forward in 2022 under Warhop imho. If he is consistent, he can be a top 5 RT to match Tunsil on the left side. I would NOT move Howard inside. You've solved RT, don't break it trying to get cute.
Tunsil proved me wrong, and I'm happy to admit it. Now...does he keep it up after getting paid? That's a concern of mine based on LT's history, but I'm willing to take that risk because top 5 LT's don't grow on trees. Granted, he's still avg at the run and isn't a very physical player, but he's among the very best at pass pro and that's what I'm paying him for if I'm Nick and company.
Tunsil proved me wrong, and I'm happy to admit it. Now...does he keep it up after getting paid? That's a concern of mine based on LT's history, but I'm willing to take that risk because top 5 LT's don't grow on trees. Granted, he's still avg at the run and isn't a very physical player, but he's among the very best at pass pro and that's what I'm paying him for if I'm Nick and company.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Don’t know how many games they will win next season. Highly doubt Mills will be starting.
Let Ryans and company work before making any type of predictions. We still have a draft ahead of us and we don’t even know who they will bring in free agency. Wait we haven’t even hired the man’s coaching staff.
What I do know Steel is Mills is a terrible quarterback right now. I’ve seen enough film on him.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
He isn't happy in Oakland.
I think he will have a resurgence here under DR and a new regime. He is a competitor and no doubt would like to go out with a bang in the second half of his career.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Must have hit a nerve?Tunsil's performance on game days set him up for a market setting deal.
Caserio's relentless restructuring assured we would have the resources to retain our starting pro bowl LT.
Nice try though.
Caserio's relentless restructuring assured we would have the resources to retain our starting pro bowl LT.
Nice try though.
What do you think you are talking about? Please do the math on this. You may have to break out the slide rule.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
That was almost 20 years ago. Nobody is drafting a qb high and have him on the bench for 3 years like Rodgers or Rivers. Thing is, Favre was still playing at a high level and so was Brees. I think teams are going to wait for him to get cut or they're going to have to negotiate his contract down now.
I'm not saying I want Mills as the starter, I do want a vet brought in to compete with him. I'm also saying last year for many reasons he didn't stand a fair chance to succeed.
If Mills is as bad as you say and they bring in say, Minshew and avg vet QB and add talent in the draft/fa then they should win atleast 6 games with an easier schedule right?
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Trouble is, if you want to bring a vet in, will he want to come in if he is not going to be the starter?
And if he does come in, if he is competing with Mills, why would he share his knowledge with him? He needs a mentor.
You let Mills and the vet compete for the job. May the best man win. After this season then you draft a QB in 2024 if you don't like what you see in 2023.
BTW, wouldn't your post apply if they drafted a QB this year and added a vet QB?
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cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Slide rule?
Did you really make your assumptions using a slide rule? I think we are getting close to solving this.
So you're not going to explain how restructuring Tunsil twice made it easier for the Texans to re-sign him?Slide rule?
I think we are getting close to solving this.
That's what I thought.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Did you now?
Are you saying restructuring Tunsil is the only cap saving move Caserio has made?
The only way he was able to improve our cap situation? Gaining some wiggle room? That's not true. You're reaching.
We are discussing his overall performance, aren't we? He is learning on the job, and very well I think.
I like the job he is doing, apparently you and a few others don't. That's ok, but this circle jerk is going nowhere.
More important though is what the owners think. Caserio will be here awhile, if he chooses too.
Lets move on to the draft, free agency. I'm sure the Caserio haters will find fault with that too, it's inevitable.
Another preemptive slam of posters that may criticize Caserio, as if they could do better. That's what I do.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I wouldn't draft a QB until the later rounds if I brought in a vet. He isn't really going to threaten the vet.
Unless that vet plays like Matt Ryan did last year.
badboy
Hall of Fame
New Orleans over $60 million over the cap... it is going to take a lot more than reworking Carr's contract.