What do you mean rds 4-7 aren't on?Only regret is rds 4-7 aren't on on Saturday anymore.
I watched those rounds on Saturday, switching between NFLN and ESPN.
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What do you mean rds 4-7 aren't on?Only regret is rds 4-7 aren't on on Saturday anymore.
What do you mean rds 4-7 aren't on?
I watched those rounds on Saturday, switching between NFLN and ESPN.
Yeah, I liked it better when the first three rounds were all on the same day myself.I meant 1-3.
Brain fart
Sounds a bit weird to me too.If McNair wanted a QB, wouldn't he have articulated that earlier than a day before draft day? Why would the Texans have a plan for an OT, but then have the owner come in and tell them that they were going to draft a QB? I'm not one to believe that McNair is all that football smart, but he atleast understands processes. Why would you sit until the last minute to change the entire strategy? That doesn't make any sense.
More likely, LZ just got some bad information from someone who also probably got some bad information.
Yeah, I liked it better when the first three rounds were all on the same day myself.
That's just it though, it wouldn't be admitting anything was a mistake and frankly after they gave Cleveland a 2 just to take Os I don't think they are all that worried about looking like they made a mistake. They already signed the $72 million dollar "Mother Of All Mistakes" Nobody knows they have a legitimate franchise QB until the player steps up and does it. Under no circumstances was the Watson pick a mistake. It was a legitimate move to fix a screw up and if a QB emerges (no matter who he is) that's never a bad thing.
If Savage took us to an AFC Championship game or a Super Bowl in 2017 he just won the job. Now I could see hesitating a little bit to see if he could duplicate that performance AND stay healthy doing it but having two good QB's is not a problem to be shunned or complain about. It's a windfall that you take advantage of if you can.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if the plan had been to see how the QB's fell and execute a trade with Cleveland to get one if a run started. I don't think the Texans would execute a trade with the tAcks, since they're in our division, especially not a 1st rounder. I also doubt McNair said much more than draft the best QB that you can. Seeing Trubisky and Mahomes go pretty much left that as Watson and voila, Watson is a Texan.If McNair wanted a QB, wouldn't he have articulated that earlier than a day before draft day? Why would the Texans have a plan for an OT, but then have the owner come in and tell them that they were going to draft a QB? I'm not one to believe that McNair is all that football smart, but he atleast understands processes. Why would you sit until the last minute to change the entire strategy? That doesn't make any sense.
More likely, LZ just got some bad information from someone who also probably got some bad information.
Here's a sobering article on trading up for QBs.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...s-watson-are-more-likely-to-fail-than-succeed
I meant 1-3.
Brain fart
Yeah, I liked it better when the first three rounds were all on the same day myself.
If McNair wanted a QB, wouldn't he have articulated that earlier than a day before draft day?
Hey, that wouldn't be a bad compromise.I like the thurs/fri primetime hooplah we get, but I also miss the Sat morning thru Sunday evening affair we used to get. Great buddy of mine have made a 10 yr running tradition of draft weekend. Have had great times both ways.
Wouldn't hate the idea of a minor mix of the two programs, maybe rounds one/two Fri night, 3/4 Sat afternoon/evening, and 5-7 to finish starting Sunday morning. Idk, hard to make everyone happy.
Damn, that chick can throw, but who is Kelsey Plum?
Damn, that chick can throw, but who is Kelsey Plum?
The plan obviously wasn't successful.
When the man in charge fails at accomplishing the main goal of this draft for the franchise then he should be held accountable. Who is in charge of hiring the guy who is supposed to be doing the sniffing around, if that's not Ricky?
That guy should definitely be fired tomorrow. (Except Ricky got Watson who he wanted all along)
You might be one of the only guys I know who thinks missing out on a system QB from Lubbock but landing the guy who went to 2 national title games is a fail.
You make it sound like Smith knew KC was going to trade up to 10 to take Mahomes so he purposely traded to 12 so that only Watson was available.
I see this ending epically bad. Houston is cursed at the QB position.
I see Savage doing extremely well. He will miss a game. For whatever reason DW steps in. Does great too. At that time a QB controversy starts. Worse than the Schaub vs Rosenfels. Worse than the Mario vs VY draft. It will tear this city apart. We will choose one. Whichever one will be wrong. It doesn't matter.
Houston isn't meant to have a QB. We are cursed.
Houston fans. Waiting for next year since 1963.
You might be one of the only guys I know who thinks missing out on a system QB from Lubbock but landing the guy who went to 2 national title games is a fail.
You make it sound like Smith knew KC was going to trade up to 10 to take Mahomes so he purposely traded to 12 so that only Watson was available.
Watson is definitely the more accomplished player in terms of results in college .... But there are many who believe Mahomes to be the better QB prospect. That gimmicky offense he runs is very complex , lots of alternate routes and he read both sides of the field .... Watson & Clemson ran predetermined routes and generally only 1 read or one side with multiple receivers to read. Both were responsible for protection adjustments at the line ..... Trubisky on the other hand got spoon fed from the sidelines.
There are quite a few of us here who preferred Mahomes ....
I had no clue KC would make such a big jump to go get him when they have a competent QB already and with a few roster tweaks are in the discussion as a contender.
What I gather from that move is they are planning for life after Smith .... Rather than be the Browns for a decade still searching or the Texans 4 years later.
Watson is definitely the more accomplished player in terms of results in college .... But there are many who believe Mahomes to be the better QB prospect. That gimmicky offense he runs is very complex , lots of alternate routes and he read both sides of the field .... Watson & Clemson ran predetermined routes and generally only 1 read or one side with multiple receivers to read. Both were responsible for protection adjustments at the line ..... Trubisky on the other hand got spoon fed from the sidelines.
There are quite a few of us here who preferred Mahomes ....
I had no clue KC would make such a big jump to go get him when they have a competent QB already and with a few roster tweaks are in the discussion as a contender.
What I gather from that move is they are planning for life after Smith .... Rather than be the Browns for a decade still searching or the Texans 4 years later.
Nope I liked Mahomes better than any QB in this draft, but said I wouldn't trade past the Ravens for him.
If you really like a QB you have to be pro active to make sure you get him. I'm sure Buffalo talked to K.C. and the Texans. Ricky wasn't willing to give up a 3rd in addition to next yrs 1st to get Mahomes.
BOB supposedly wanted (It sure looked like this is true in the warroom.) Mahomes and Ricky wasn't willing to give up what it took to get the deal done. This supposedly happened with Jimmy G too, so this is probably another case of history repeating itself. Kinda like giving up a lot of draft capital to get a young QB then not drafting Ol that he needs to protect him. More history repeating itself and the good thing is there's no denying/saying I don't believe those sources. It's out there for even the thirstiest Kool Aid drinkers to see.
If McNair wanted a QB, wouldn't he have articulated that earlier than a day before draft day? Why would the Texans have a plan for an OT, but then have the owner come in and tell them that they were going to draft a QB? I'm not one to believe that McNair is all that football smart, but he atleast understands processes. Why would you sit until the last minute to change the entire strategy? That doesn't make any sense.
More likely, LZ just got some bad information from someone who also probably got some bad information.
Watson is definitely the more accomplished player in terms of results in college .... But there are many who believe Mahomes to be the better QB prospect. That gimmicky offense he runs is very complex , lots of alternate routes and he read both sides of the field .... Watson & Clemson ran predetermined routes and generally only 1 read or one side with multiple receivers to read. Both were responsible for protection adjustments at the line ..... Trubisky on the other hand got spoon fed from the sidelines.
Nope I liked Mahomes better than any QB in this draft, but said I wouldn't trade past the Ravens for him.
If you really like a QB you have to be pro active to make sure you get him. I'm sure Buffalo talked to K.C. and the Texans. Ricky wasn't willing to give up a 3rd in addition to next yrs 1st to get Mahomes.
So go to 10 and draft Mahomes. Go to 12 and draft Watson. They still would not have drafted the OL to protect either one. Would you still criticize Smith for that even if he would have drafted Mahomes?
So go to 10 and draft Mahomes. Go to 12 and draft Watson. They still would not have drafted the OL to protect either one. Would you still criticize Smith for that even if he would have drafted Mahomes?
Yes.
Why is that even in doubt? Even had Rick drafted Mahomes & followed with an OL he'd btch that Ricky McNair didn't trade up to get the guy "BOB" obviously wanted.
There's real world, there's Madden, then there's that magical place steelb&Texian live where things happen the way they want every time.
Sure they could have,
Dawkins/Moton was there in the 2nd rd.
I get that people like Cunningham, I think he's going to be a solid 10 yr starter.
Give me Dawkins/Walker in the 2nd/4th over Cunningham/Davenport. in fact I would have to think about drafting Dawkins then trading back into the 2nd for Moton. I know you would lose Foreman and Watkins but I'm tired of seeing crap OL play. Is this an overreaction? Probably. Is this investing in protecting your franchise QB? Definitely.
Look, I think the Texans had a great draft getting very talented players. But after seeing what happened to Carr I would've gone in a different direction. Really as simple as 2 different philosophies.
OK, I get your point, but I was referring to what they actually drafted after Watson. That strategy wasn't going to change with either Watson or Mahomes. They were going to take Cunningham regardless of which QB they drafted.
So if they had drafted Mahomes instead of Watson, and the rest of the draft was exactly the same - because there is nothing to say that it wouldn't be - would you still criticize Smith for not addressing the OLine situation? Because your post that I originally quoted made it seem like not addressing the OLine concerns in the draft was part and parcel to drafting the wrong QB.
Nope I liked Mahomes better than any QB in this draft, but said I wouldn't trade past the Ravens for him.
If you really like a QB you have to be pro active to make sure you get him. I'm sure Buffalo talked to K.C. and the Texans. Ricky wasn't willing to give up a 3rd in addition to next yrs 1st to get Mahomes.
BOB supposedly wanted (It sure looked like this is true in the warroom.) Mahomes and Ricky wasn't willing to give up what it took to get the deal done. This supposedly happened with Jimmy G too, so this is probably another case of history repeating itself. Kinda like giving up a lot of draft capital to get a young QB then not drafting Ol that he needs to protect him. More history repeating itself and the good thing is there's no denying/saying I don't believe those sources. It's out there for even the thirstiest Kool Aid drinkers to see.
Nope, I just would do anything possible to protect my new QB investment. They didn't do it with Carr and they haven't done it with Watson and wouldn't have done it if Mahomes was drafted.
That's a repeated mistake. IMHO
I'd be very interested to see how OB coaches players because I would have a hard time learning from him at one of his seminars. He says a lot of stuff but doesn't seem to explain much and goes way too fast.I'd be curious to know how similar Clemson's 1 side read progressions are to ours. One of the videos I watched that got me excited about Bill O'Brien when I heard we hired him was this one. He explains the route read concept they used in New England & Penn State. I assumed it would be used in Houston as well.
Based on what the QB saw, he would start his read one place or another. Here, O'b gives an example of a route read where it's basically on one side of the field, then work it's way to the other.
If Watson was asked to read the defense to determine which side of the field he would read, it's a very similar concept. All we'd be asking him to do is adding the "work your way" to this side of what O'b is teaching here. (start at 2:10)
If "this" read "left side"
If "that" read "right side"
"then" work to middle.
My statement was not so much about whether Mahomes was a good pro QB prospect, but more around the mindset that "settling" for Watson was some kind of fail on the part of the Texans.
Andy Reid is said to be a QB whisperer. He seems to be more in agreement with us than with Sandman. I trust my evals and Reid's as well as yours.
The reason I've wanted Jimmy G since 2014.
I'd be very interested to see how OB coaches players because I would have a hard time learning from him at one of his seminars. He says a lot of stuff but doesn't seem to explain much and goes way too fast.
we drafted 2 offensive linemen out of 7 picks I'm fine with their investment. we went out and paid an OG last offseason he was bad, but also had a severe calf or ankle injury early on so let's hope with that taken care of he improves to his KC form. we took a center in the 2nd last year. you're probably upset because we didn't go tackle until the 4th which is understandable, but as it has been reported this was a bad tackle class most experts didn't see much to separate the guys who were 1st or 2nd rounders and those who went in the mid rounds. then we got a guy who should provide quality depth.
Oh and the fact that we finished like 11th in pass pro last year, so our situation isn't as dire as we make it out to be.
Not great, but dire?Did you watch the games last yr? Clark/Allen in particular?
Pretty dire IMHO
I'm tending to agree. I keep hearing over and over how marvelous the Cowboys' O-line is. Well they gave up 28 sacks - and that's with a QB that's pretty dang mobile. The Texans gave up 32. With Osweiler back there. I agree, that doesn't seem "dire" to me.Not great, but dire?
NO, not by a long shot.
IMHO.
Not great, but dire?
NO, not by a long shot.
IMHO.
I'm tending to agree. I keep hearing over and over how marvelous the Cowboys' O-line is. Well they gave up 28 sacks - and that's with a QB that's pretty dang mobile. The Texans gave up 32. With Osweiler back there. I agree, that doesn't seem "dire" to me.
Should we stand pat. Hell no.
And we didn't. Two out of their seven picks addressed the O-line and then added more using UDFAs.
Full disclosure: I wanted Ramcyzk or Robinson. But it's not like we ignored the need.
Chris Clark, however, was the league’s worst pass-protecting right tackle, surrendering a ridiculous 67 total QB pressures on the season; he was also flagged 13 times.
This just in the OT's that will be cut or traded for like Clark was will most likely be in the Clark range of bad.
True... or maybe aged and too expensive on their contracts. But if we can just get 1 decent year out of them...
Having Martin back in and of itself will not help improve the line much. After all, Mancz did a fine job and was one of the better centers. What it will do is allow Mancz to move to OG. It's been suggested that Allen could move to RT.I don't think the entire line was dire, but one spot in particular was and it brought the unit down as a whole.
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Having Nick Martin debut should help the unit, which is great to look forward to. Addressing that spot in the draft could've been huge as well though, and especially for a team desperate to get off on the right foot identity-wise on offense, and QB in particular. And I'm far from convinced that the 2 guys we picked up will do so.