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What's your plan for QB next season?

Number19 said:
OK, we've set our course. Watson is our QB going forward. We need to think about next year as well as fantasizing about this year.

We need to go ahead and release Weeden. We need to draft the QB who will be our #2 next year.

We basically write this season off as a transition year. We'll go with Savage as far as he can take us this year, but he's gone after this season. Savage's performance will dictate how much action Watson sees this season and whether Watson becomes the starter at some point, as many are expecting.

But by releasing Weeden now, we give the QB who will be our #2 next year more snaps this year and will put him that much more ahead of the curve going forward.
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The Texans don't have a first or second round pick next year. Once they moved up to take Watson, handing more draft collateral to the Browns that was a message "we're banking on making a run this year".

I wanted this to be a transaction year, actually. I wanted the Texans to bolster the o-line and safety position, draft a coverage linebacker and a late round project QB and then use whatever draft collateral they had next year to try and get a QB in round 1 in a draft that looks better for QB's that this one.

Watson isn't just for the future he's for the present. Hopefully he'll be ready to play this year. To me, you don't trade your 1st this year, 1st and 2nd next year for someone that won't start sooner rather than later.
 
Number19 said:
OK, we've set our course. Watson is our QB going forward. We need to think about next year as well as fantasizing about this year.

We need to go ahead and release Weeden. We need to draft the QB who will be our #2 next year.

We basically write this season off as a transition year. We'll go with Savage as far as he can take us this year, but he's gone after this season. Savage's performance will dictate how much action Watson sees this season and whether Watson becomes the starter at some point, as many are expecting.

But by releasing Weeden now, we give the QB who will be our #2 next year more snaps this year and will put him that much more ahead of the curve going forward.
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What if Savage takes a stranglehold on the starting job? I've watched every throw he made last season and the dude can sling it. With an offseason of starters reps and getting in a rhythm with his receivers, I don't know that Watson's draft status will be enough to take the job. I still believe OB has doubled down on himself and believes in Savage. If Savage takes the Texans to an AFCCG, how do you justify starting Watson? Of course, this is assuming Savage will stay healthy. If he doesn't, all bets are off but I feel confident in Weeden's ability to run this offense over Watson's, as a rookie.

OB has openly stated his dislike for starting a rookie QB, so there's little chance of Weeden going anywhere. I also think that OB is being the best team mate he can be by supporting the Watson move, but it's my opinion that he didn't like the price paid at all. I bet there were some Draft Day-esque arguments between RS and OB before the decision was made.

I love Watson's resume, minus the INTs, but any rookie is a roll of the dice. His upside as, admittedly, tremendous, but he has to prove himself before being anointed the savior of the Texans. I feel the same way about Savage, but Savage has proven his knowledge and ability to run this offense at a high level to me. He's been unlucky in the health department, but if that changes, I expect to see a much improved Texans offense in 2017.
 
DocBar said:
What if Savage takes a stranglehold on the starting job? I've watched every throw he made last season and the dude can sling it. With an offseason of starters reps and getting in a rhythm with his receivers, I don't know that Watson's draft status will be enough to take the job. I still believe OB has doubled down on himself and believes in Savage. If Savage takes the Texans to an AFCCG, how do you justify starting Watson? Of course, this is assuming Savage will stay healthy. If he doesn't, all bets are off but I feel confident in Weeden's ability to run this offense over Watson's, as a rookie.

OB has openly stated his dislike for starting a rookie QB, so there's little chance of Weeden going anywhere. I also think that OB is being the best team mate he can be by supporting the Watson move, but it's my opinion that he didn't like the price paid at all. I bet there were some Draft Day-esque arguments between RS and OB before the decision was made.

I love Watson's resume, minus the INTs, but any rookie is a roll of the dice. His upside as, admittedly, tremendous, but he has to prove himself before being anointed the savior of the Texans. I feel the same way about Savage, but Savage has proven his knowledge and ability to run this offense at a high level to me. He's been unlucky in the health department, but if that changes, I expect to see a much improved Texans offense in 2017.
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And what if don't. What if he sustains another injury.

So many what if's
 
DocBar said:
What if Savage takes a stranglehold on the starting job? I've watched every throw he made last season and the dude can sling it. With an offseason of starters reps and getting in a rhythm with his receivers, I don't know that Watson's draft status will be enough to take the job. I still believe OB has doubled down on himself and believes in Savage. If Savage takes the Texans to an AFCCG, how do you justify starting Watson? Of course, this is assuming Savage will stay healthy. If he doesn't, all bets are off but I feel confident in Weeden's ability to run this offense over Watson's, as a rookie.

OB has openly stated his dislike for starting a rookie QB, so there's little chance of Weeden going anywhere. I also think that OB is being the best team mate he can be by supporting the Watson move, but it's my opinion that he didn't like the price paid at all. I bet there were some Draft Day-esque arguments between RS and OB before the decision was made.

I love Watson's resume, minus the INTs, but any rookie is a roll of the dice. His upside as, admittedly, tremendous, but he has to prove himself before being anointed the savior of the Texans. I feel the same way about Savage, but Savage has proven his knowledge and ability to run this offense at a high level to me. He's been unlucky in the health department, but if that changes, I expect to see a much improved Texans offense in 2017.
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I agree with everything you say - for 2017. But if it plays out this way, I still don't see the Texans offering him a $100M contract, admitting the Watson pick was a mistake. And if he has this kind of a season, Savage will get this kind of a contract from some team.

For 2017, to start the season, the question will be, who is taking the #2 snaps in practice and who will be running the scout team. As the new face of rhe franchise, I simply can't see Watson being pushed back to 3.

So what about Weeden? If we draft a QB tomorrow, or sign an UDFA, his future as a Texan, this season, wil be in doubt. But I would be surprised if he re-signs next season.
 
DocBar said:
OB looks like he wants to beat Smith's head in with the mic in this video. lol
http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-med...a_Winner/1902f715-aaee-48d1-b1e1-f9812541a552

I was just about to post pretty much this exact same thing. I know a lot of peeps on here think I'm hating on Watson, but I've posted, several times that the only knock I have on him are the 30 INTs he's thrown the past two seasons. What's done is done, so I'm pulling for the Texans and seeing the best QB on the team playing on Sunday, regardless.
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It means we have two viable QB's and if that ends up being the case then we have capital that we can use to get something else we need. Savage turns it on this year and holds Watson at bay and we're going to try and get something for him (or Watson, in this scenario it won't really matter) and we don't necessarily have to do it after this season. We could stretch this out a bit because Watson will still be on his rookie deal so "relatively inexpensive" meaning we could tag Savage if necessary and the next season trade him to another team that could negotiate a long-term contract.

Two good QB's (or even two "believed to be good" QB's) would be feast following 4-5 years of famine. We could sure use some of that.
 
Number19 said:
I agree with everything you say - for 2017. But if it plays out this way, I still don't see the Texans offering him a $100M contract, admitting the Watson pick was a mistake. And if he has this kind of a season, Savage will get this kind of a contract from some team.

For 2017, to start the season, the question will be, who is taking the #2 snaps in practice and who will be running the scout team. As the new face of rhe franchise, I simply can't see Watson being pushed back to 3.

So what about Weeden? If we draft a QB tomorrow, or sign an UDFA, his future as a Texan, this season, wil be in doubt. But I would be surprised if he re-signs next season.
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That's just it though, it wouldn't be admitting anything was a mistake and frankly after they gave Cleveland a 2 just to take Os I don't think they are all that worried about looking like they made a mistake. They already signed the $72 million dollar "Mother Of All Mistakes" Nobody knows they have a legitimate franchise QB until the player steps up and does it. Under no circumstances was the Watson pick a mistake. It was a legitimate move to fix a screw up and if a QB emerges (no matter who he is) that's never a bad thing.

If Savage took us to an AFC Championship game or a Super Bowl in 2017 he just won the job. Now I could see hesitating a little bit to see if he could duplicate that performance AND stay healthy doing it but having two good QB's is not a problem to be shunned or complain about. It's a windfall that you take advantage of if you can.
 
Number19 said:
I agree with everything you say - for 2017. But if it plays out this way, I still don't see the Texans offering him a $100M contract, admitting the Watson pick was a mistake. And if he has this kind of a season, Savage will get this kind of a contract from some team.

For 2017, to start the season, the question will be, who is taking the #2 snaps in practice and who will be running the scout team. As the new face of rhe franchise, I simply can't see Watson being pushed back to 3.

So what about Weeden? If we draft a QB tomorrow, or sign an UDFA, his future as a Texan, this season, wil be in doubt. But I would be surprised if he re-signs next season.
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I don't see the Texans drafting another QB and a UDFA can be stashed on the PS. I'd also be surprised if Weeden is a Texan in 2018, depending on how Savage does. Savage is the wildcard here. How does he do as a full time starter, etc. You would be a fool not to give Savage a$100M contract if he takes you to the AFCCG over Watson.
 
Hervoyel said:
That's just it though, it wouldn't be admitting anything was a mistake and frankly after they gave Cleveland a 2 just to take Os I don't think they are all that worried about looking like they made a mistake. They already signed the $72 million dollar "Mother Of All Mistakes" Nobody knows they have a legitimate franchise QB until the player steps up and does it. Under no circumstances was the Watson pick a mistake. It was a legitimate move to fix a screw up and if a QB emerges (no matter who he is) that's never a bad thing.

If Savage took us to an AFC Championship game or a Super Bowl in 2017 he just won the job. Now I could see hesitating a little bit to see if he could duplicate that performance AND stay healthy doing it but having two good QB's is not a problem to be shunned or complain about. It's a windfall that you take advantage of if you can.
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In this case, you have Watson in the wings if Savage falls on his face. It's win win Texans. I'm all about that.
 
76Texan said:
I did, too.
And I didn't like them enough.

I did have him as the third to fifth QB in this draft.

I don't like any of those 3 at the 12th slot, considering we trade away next year first, when there are more options.

I would have waited until 25th and take the next QB; either him or Kizer.
But not at No. 12.

Watson's potential and Kizer's are in the same ball park.

Both need some works.
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I sure wish you got hired by our team with your keen eye and expert judgement.
 
DocBar said:
Both Smith and OB are saying Savage is the starter. I hope this pick is completely on Smith.

I was all in for rolling with Savage and drafting a QB in the 3rd or 4th round, while using the draft to shore up the OL.
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Did you not watch the post draft day one presser? Or are you just choosing to ignore what O'Brien said about Watson because it doesn't fit your conspiracy theory? Both Smith and O'Brien loved the kid. O'Brien said Watson impressed him way back at the combine.
This was a joint pick.

Oh and that "I hope this pick is on Smith" statement tells me you hope Watson, and therefore the Texans, fail.
 
TxnsJuggernaut said:
I sure wish you got hired by our team with your keen eye and expert judgement.
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Not sure if you meant to include the little kitty emoticon. :kitten:

I might have been the only one that put Beathard as high as the third round.

Corrosion seems to warm up to him, but I don't know if he rated him that high.

It's true that Webb was taken before him, but it was still pretty good slotting Beathard up there when so many experts were far off base.

He'll be a good fit with the WCO and Shanahan in SF.
 
ObsiWan said:
Did you not watch the post draft day one presser? Or are you just choosing to ignore what O'Brien said about Watson because it doesn't fit your conspiracy theory? Both Smith and O'Brien loved the kid. O'Brien said Watson impressed him way back at the combine.
This was a joint pick.

Oh and that "I hope this pick is on Smith" statement tells me you hope Watson, and therefore the Texans, fail.
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I never hope that the Texans fail. Never.
I heard what OB said and I addressed it in a different post. I thought OB was being a good team mate at the time. What conspiracy theory? I prefer Savage over Watson and right now, I don't like the price the Texans paid for Watson. It's my opinion and I'll state it. I've also said that I'll happily eat any crow served my way if I'm wrong.
To be honest, I hope I'm as wrong about Watson as I was about Manning (as a FA), Mariota and Os. All I want is for the Texans to win and win consistently.
 
DocBar said:
I never hope that the Texans fail. Never.
I heard what OB said and I addressed it in a different post. I thought OB was being a good team mate at the time. What conspiracy theory? I prefer Savage over Watson and right now, I don't like the price the Texans paid for Watson. It's my opinion and I'll state it. I've also said that I'll happily eat any crow served my way if I'm wrong.
To be honest, I hope I'm as wrong about Watson as I was about Manning (as a FA), Mariota and Os. All I want is for the Texans to win and win consistently.
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As do we all!
:tiphat:

:texflag:
 
Corrosion said:
This years first and 3rd along with next years first to move 13 spots ?! That's a little steep if you ask me .... Not having that 2nd used to ship Os and his albatross of a contract out the door hurts in that sense as I might be inclined to give up that pick to make the move , just not the 1st rounder.
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Well it was cheaper than I thought.
 
steelbtexan said:
If you truly believe in Trubisky then you make that trade. Two 1st's and a 3rd is a cheap price to pay for a franchise QB. You would basically have to sit out the 2018 draft, but would you be willing to sit out this draft for Rodgers? Or for that matter Winston/Mariota? I would in a heartbeat, frachise QB's are hard to find and when you have a chance to get one you give up what it takes to get a deal done.

But you have to have conviction. Which I don't think Ricky has or ever will have the kind of conviction you're talking about to make this kind of deal. Or atleast he hasn't in the last decade.
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Well we had conviction.
 
mussop said:
Well we had conviction.
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Yes they did, I think Ricky kinda panicked after K.C. traded up for Mahomes. Anyways I hope Ricky gets lucky with Watson. Just like I hoped he would get lucky with Os. You need to be lucky when you make moves out of desperation.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yes they did, I think Ricky kinda panicked after K.C. traded up for Mahomes. Anyways I hope Ricky gets lucky with Watson. Just like I hoped he would get lucky with Os. You need to be lucky when you make moves out of desperation.
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I wasn't sold on Watkins being the best prospect from a physical stand point but hehas the pelts on the wall and his really quick release , makes things even out a bit . Another thing he seems to do well is those short passes like screens and such . Brock and other long limbed QBs have a really hard time with this . How many times did Fuller catch the ball off the turf on a quick throw ?

ps. I wonder if Bob has a deal for the future with Dabo ?
 
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I wasn't sold on Watkins being the best prospect from a physical stand point but hehas the pelts on the wall and his really quick release , makes things even out a bit . Another thing he seems to do well is those short passes like screens and such . Brock and other long limbed QBs have a really hard time with this . How many times did Fuller catch the ball off the turf on a quick throw ?

ps. I wonder if Bob has a deal for the future with Dabo ?
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I think Watson will be good, not great.

Swinney as next HC of the Texans.

Seems like they only need to attend the Clemson pro day to prepare for the draft.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yes they did, I think Ricky kinda panicked after K.C. traded up for Mahomes. Anyways I hope Ricky gets lucky with Watson. Just like I hoped he would get lucky with Os. You need to be lucky when you make moves out of desperation.
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I don't think he panicked. I think he wanted Watson all along and wanted to get in front of Arizona who might have taken him.
I read somewhere (maybe here on the boards) that they had the trade details lined up well before the draft
 
michaelm said:
I don't think he panicked. I think he wanted Watson all along and wanted to get in front of Arizona who might have taken him.
I read somewhere (maybe here on the boards) that they had the trade details lined up well before the draft
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Trade details were lined up when the made the Assweiler trade
 
michaelm said:
I don't think he panicked. I think he wanted Watson all along and wanted to get in front of Arizona who might have taken him.
I read somewhere (maybe here on the boards) that they had the trade details lined up well before the draft
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I agree that they had the trade details lined up before the draft. I think they wanted Mahomes at 12. When K.C. traded up to 10 Ricky panicked and took Watson at 12 after trading up.

You're right though, we will never know.
 
steelbtexan said:
I agree that they had the trade details lined up before the draft. I think they wanted Mahomes at 12. When K.C. traded up to 10 Ricky panicked and took Watson at 12 after trading up.

You're right though, we will never know.
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At least the Texan trade is in the ballpark . Da Bears pulled a RGlll for a one year starter .
 
steelbtexan said:
I agree that they had the trade details lined up before the draft. I think they wanted Mahomes at 12. When K.C. traded up to 10 Ricky panicked and took Watson at 12 after trading up.

You're right though, we will never know.
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someone posted on here before the draft that Smith really loved Watson
others posted that OB really loved Mahomes

yep, we'll never know... unless Watson fails and OB is gone next year and talks about the crappy Texans FO
 
JB said:
someone posted on here before the draft that Smith really loved Watson
others posted that OB really loved Mahomes

yep, we'll never know... unless Watson fails and OB is gone next year and talks about the crappy Texans FO
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This is Ricky's team.

If they fail I'm sure it wont be Ricky's fault after another 5 yrs. That's what the Watson trade bought Ricky, 5 more yrs regardless if the on field product is any good
 
steelbtexan said:
This is Ricky's team.

If they fail I'm sure it wont be Ricky's fault after another 5 yrs. That's what the Watson trade bought Ricky, 5 more yrs regardless if the on field product is any good
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I disagree. I think Ricky has finally put his neck in the noose with the Watson trade on top of the Os fiasco (both ends).
 
JB said:
I disagree. I think Ricky has finally put his neck in the noose with the Watson trade on top of the Os fiasco (both ends).
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Hope you're right and believe it or not, I hope Ricky got the Watson pick right.
 
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Hope you're right and believe it or not, I hope Ricky got the Watson pick right.
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I believe you. Watson wasn't my first choice either. But much like last year, I applaud the efforts to at least correct the inadequacies of the past 5 years
 
steelbtexan said:
I agree that they had the trade details lined up before the draft. I think they wanted Mahomes at 12. When K.C. traded up to 10 Ricky panicked and took Watson at 12 after trading up.

You're right though, we will never know.
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I agree in so much that the plan was to trade up to 12 & get Mahomes. All the rumors were that O'Brien wanted Mahomes & I believe Rick tries to get the guys O'Brien wants. But things happen.

I think the group decided they would trade up to 12, which was already in place before the draft. The group decided they would take Mahomes.

When the Chiefs traded to 10 & took Mahomes, the Texans discussed if they were going to go ahead with the trade & get Watson & the group decided that they would. I imagine there was discussion that Watson would be there at 25 & someone probably said Garoppolo was supposed to be there at 65 & someone said Mahomes would be there at 12... I don't think it was panic, I think they wanted to get either Mahomes or Watson out of this draft.

Definitely Rick's guy. But O'Brien is on board.
 
Lance Zierlien said that the Texans were set to go OT in the first round and their backup plan was LB.

Here's what CnnnD posted in the Rick Smith thread (post #1508); I think these are captures/quotes from Lance's radio show...
"This wasn't any kind of smokescreen by the Texans, I had it from 3 different places -- very reliable places -- that the Texans were not going QB in the first, they were on offensive line with a fallback at linebacker. Multiple strong sources had this."​
"I think something changed... and I'm sure it happened yesterday... I don't know if this is where an owner steps in and said "this is what I want to happen"... but this was a very aggressive move... and a change."

"If you're going to draft a QB from this group, Deshaun Watson isn't going to get you fired. He's got leadership skills and will work to be good. If he fails it's because he's just not good enough."​
If this is accurate on Lance's part, it smells to high heaven that McNair changed the original pick and said "I want a QB". If Lance is right, this is a McNair pick.

take it for what you will.
 
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Shishkabob said:
Rappaport said this morning on gmfb how the texans had identified Watson as their guy before the draft, Watson told him before the draft his #1 spot if he could chose would be Houston. If that's the case I'm happy with what they did. They finally identified their guy and went after him. Hope it works out if not there will be a new regime in town
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thunderkyss said:
I agree in so much that the plan was to trade up to 12 & get Mahomes. All the rumors were that O'Brien wanted Mahomes & I believe Rick tries to get the guys O'Brien wants. But things happen.

I think the group decided they would trade up to 12, which was already in place before the draft. The group decided they would take Mahomes.

When the Chiefs traded to 10 & took Mahomes, the Texans discussed if they were going to go ahead with the trade & get Watson & the group decided that they would. I imagine there was discussion that Watson would be there at 25 & someone probably said Garoppolo was supposed to be there at 65 & someone said Mahomes would be there at 12... I don't think it was panic, I think they wanted to get either Mahomes or Watson out of this draft.

Definitely Rick's guy. But O'Brien is on board.
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You don't miss out on your guy if he's your guy. BOB wanted Mahomes, Ricky got him Watson. (Which is who Ricky wanted to begin with) If you believe things just happened this way then you're being pretty naïve.

Same thing happened with Garappolo/Savage. BOB wanted Garappolo and Ricky got him Savage. This is another case of history repeating itself. Sorta like drafting a young QB (Carr) then not putting an OL around him to protect him. Watson is going to go thru the same issues. Hopefully he has more instestinal fortitude than Carr had.
 
steelbtexan said:
You don't miss out on your guy if he's your guy. BOB wanted Mahomes, Ricky got him Watson. (Which is who Ricky wanted to begin with) If you believe things just happened this way then you're being pretty naïve.
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I may very well be naive. However, I think trading up to 12 was a good plan to get Mahomes if that's who they wanted.

That KC moved up to 10, I don't think you can blame any of the Texans for that... anyone except for that guy who's supposed to be sniffing around to find out what the other teams are doing. If that's Rick, so be it. But other than that...
 
steelbtexan said:
You don't miss out on your guy if he's your guy. BOB wanted Mahomes, Ricky got him Watson. (Which is who Ricky wanted to begin with) If you believe things just happened this way then you're being pretty naïve.

Same thing happened with Garappolo/Savage. BOB wanted Garappolo and Ricky got him Savage. This is another case of history repeating itself. Sorta like drafting a young QB (Carr) then not putting an OL around him to protect him. Watson is going to go thru the same issues. Hopefully he has more instestinal fortitude than Carr had.
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Other than blind Rick hate you know this how?
 
thunderkyss said:
I may very well be naive. However, I think trading up to 12 was a good plan to get Mahomes if that's who they wanted.

That KC moved up to 10, I don't think you can blame any of the Texans for that... anyone except for that guy who's supposed to be sniffing around to find out what the other teams are doing. If that's Rick, so be it. But other than that...
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The plan obviously wasn't successful.

When the man in charge fails at accomplishing the main goal of this draft for the franchise then he should be held accountable. Who is in charge of hiring the guy who is supposed to be doing the sniffing around, if that's not Ricky?

That guy should definitely be fired tomorrow. (Except Ricky got Watson who he wanted all along)
 
steelbtexan said:
The plan obviously wasn't successful.

When the man in charge fails at accomplishing the main goal of this draft for the franchise then he should be held accountable. Who is in charge of hiring the guy who is supposed to be doing the sniffing around, if that's not Ricky?

That guy should definitely be fired tomorrow. (Except Ricky got Watson who he wanted all along)
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You should be happy about this. If Watson is a success, the Texans are a success. If Watson fails, that's two epic fails on Smith, who should then be fired. Win-Win for you.
 
DocBar said:
You should be happy about this. If Watson is a success, the Texans are a success. If Watson fails, that's two epic fails on Smith, who should then be fired. Win-Win for you.
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I'm hoping Watson succeeds.

But Ricky McNair aint going nowhere even if Watson is Os kinda bad.
 
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