except that KC wasn't in a have to situation. Therein lies the difference.
Just for the " Texans never do anything crowd" that was the first first round QB that KC has taken since 1983
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except that KC wasn't in a have to situation. Therein lies the difference.
Just for the " Texans never do anything crowd" that was the first first round QB that KC has taken since 1983
I said earlier it was a panicky move by the Texans .... mainly because both Trubisky and Mahomes were already gone , there's only one highly rated prospect left. You cant get Bridgewatered or Garappolo'd again .... can you ?! Damn we gotta make a move now .....
Yeah , I'm "excited" that they finally got a quality prospect at the position .... hope the kid wins 6-7 Superbowls ....
IF they targeted Mahomes , I don't think they believed anyone would move up that damn far to get him .... I bet they thought they'd have their choice between the two at 12.
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And after pick 10, they had to make a move, as stated by Ricky
Both Smith and OB are saying Savage is the starter. I hope this pick is completely on Smith.
I was all in for rolling with Savage and drafting a QB in the 3rd or 4th round, while using the draft to shore up the OL.
IMHO, the Texans possibly have a legit QB in Savage. I couldn't care less what the talking heads think about that. The Texans just spent their 2018 1st round pick on a clipboard holder with maybe some potential.
Anywho, I'm done biotching about it. Go Texans.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
IMHO, the Texans possibly have a legit QB in Savage. I couldn't care less what the talking heads think about that. The Texans just spent their 2018 1st round pick on a clipboard holder with maybe some potential.
Anywho, I'm done biotching about it. Go Texans.
Works for me too. I'll root for them both. I just want to watch a team that's got a chance
Weren't they? Listening to NFLNetwork they're saying if the Chiefs want to get past the divisional round, they'll need better than Alex Smith. Since 2013 they've been to the playoffs three times & were one & done in two of the three. Had we started Weeden, they may have been one & done all three times.
I would think the feeling there is the same as here, even though they can win some games, they're not a true contender, not with Alex Smith.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Maybe. Not entirely sold that Smith is the reason they aren't getting over the hump. He's been a relatively mistake-free game manager and fits Reid's system well. But I could see where that was part of the reason to go from 27 to 10. I also think it has to do in some way with Smith turning 33 in a few weeks. Combination of both, not necessarily an either/or situation. IMHO, Mahomes is going to go the Steve McNair route under Reid.
OB looks like he wants to beat Smith's head in with the mic in this video. lol
http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-med...a_Winner/1902f715-aaee-48d1-b1e1-f9812541a552
http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-med...a_Winner/1902f715-aaee-48d1-b1e1-f9812541a552
Texansballer74
The Marine
Man haha you're saying panic move because one of these so called experts used that term in his little article. Come on Doc! How about we look at it as we had to scratch plan A, because the Chiefs leaped frogged us and took Mahomes.
That was my jam back in the day. But we've been hold'em, walking away but not fold"em for quite some time now. These past two drafts we've swung for the fences. I am extremely happy about how we are attacking the draft.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I would have waited until next year. Absolutely and without any hesitation. This year was (for me) about building an OL and seeing if Savage was the answer or a career backup. If we get a RT today who can step in and start playing from day one then that's great but he better not get hurt because depth is not a luxury we seem ever to be destined to have while we are watching the Rick & Bill Show.
One of O'Brien's classic QB competitions held behind porous OL isn't exactly what the doctor ordered but it's what I kind of expect to see.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
We gave Cleveland:
1. Brock Osweiler
2. 2018 RD1
3. 2018 RD2
4. 2018 RD6
We got:
1. Dehsaun Watson
Boy, RS is really attacking this draft. Oh, who's going to be blocking for Savage, Weeden, Watson and Miller? Also, who's going to be off-setting the running load from Miller? With 6 picks left in this draft and a hole blown in his 2018 foot, this is where RS gets to show every fan in Houston that he can finally nail a Day 2 in the draft instead of blowing a hole in his only other good 2017 foot.
1. Brock Osweiler
2. 2018 RD1
3. 2018 RD2
4. 2018 RD6
We got:
1. Dehsaun Watson
Boy, RS is really attacking this draft. Oh, who's going to be blocking for Savage, Weeden, Watson and Miller? Also, who's going to be off-setting the running load from Miller? With 6 picks left in this draft and a hole blown in his 2018 foot, this is where RS gets to show every fan in Houston that he can finally nail a Day 2 in the draft instead of blowing a hole in his only other good 2017 foot.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
We gave Cleveland:
1. Brock Osweiler
2. 2018 RD1
3. 2018 RD2
4. 2018 RD6
We got:
1. Dehsaun Watson
Boy, RS is really attacking this draft. Oh, who's going to be blocking for Savage, Weeden, Watson and Miller? Also, who's going to be off-setting the running load from Miller? With 6 picks left in this draft and a hole blown in his 2018 foot, this is where RS gets to show every fan in Houston that he can finally nail a Day 2 in the draft instead of blowing a hole in his only other good 2017 foot.
1. Brock Osweiler
2. 2018 RD1
3. 2018 RD2
4. 2018 RD6
We got:
1. Dehsaun Watson
Boy, RS is really attacking this draft. Oh, who's going to be blocking for Savage, Weeden, Watson and Miller? Also, who's going to be off-setting the running load from Miller? With 6 picks left in this draft and a hole blown in his 2018 foot, this is where RS gets to show every fan in Houston that he can finally nail a Day 2 in the draft instead of blowing a hole in his only other good 2017 foot.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I kind of hope we see Savage keep Watson on the bench because that would be a great problem to have and there's always a market for promising QB's. Look at the market New England has almost yearly for their backups and that's when the entire league knows deep down inside that those guys will never perform like that outside of the Belichick Zone.
If they both look like they can play we'll be able to get some of that stuff back for one of them. That's what I'm hoping for right now.
If they both look like they can play we'll be able to get some of that stuff back for one of them. That's what I'm hoping for right now.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Savage is not an NFL starting QB ... He will be a lifelong backup. He doesn't have the ability to stay healthy and has never played in a game as significant as an NCAA championship.
Absolutely crazy how some guys are trying to convince themselves otherwise.
Plenty of time to address the OL and defensive backfield.
Absolutely crazy how some guys are trying to convince themselves otherwise.
Plenty of time to address the OL and defensive backfield.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
We should be trying to get Jamal Charles in here to pair with Miller IMO. Yeah I know he is coming off some serious injuries but we're not talking about hitching him up to pull the whole load. We're talking about using him to spell Miller and hopefully push Miller while showing the rest of the league that he's still got the wheels.
OB looks like he wants to beat Smith's head in with the mic in this video. lol
http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-med...a_Winner/1902f715-aaee-48d1-b1e1-f9812541a552
http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-med...a_Winner/1902f715-aaee-48d1-b1e1-f9812541a552
I was just about to post pretty much this exact same thing. I know a lot of peeps on here think I'm hating on Watson, but I've posted, several times that the only knock I have on him are the 30 INTs he's thrown the past two seasons. What's done is done, so I'm pulling for the Texans and seeing the best QB on the team playing on Sunday, regardless.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
O'Brien looks like he's trying to quietly push out a turd without letting a fart loose that might get picked up by the microphone. I hate to assign too much importance to it but damn that face and the silence spoke volumes. I really worry that Smith is throwing QB's at him that he doesn't necessarily want and that their communication is so bad that it's happening over and over again. Hope that's just completely wrong because if it's right then any QB who comes here just about is doomed to failure.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Combine the two trades, and the Texans traded the Browns two first-round picks, a second-round pick, a sixth-round pick and Brock Osweiler for DeShaun Watson and a fourth-round pick.
Couldn't we have gotten Phillip Rivers for that price?
Couldn't we have gotten Phillip Rivers for that price?
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
I'm sure Watson's stats would look sexier against those 2nd tier conferences like the other QBs, price to pay playing at the highest levels. The most important stat? 35-3.
Plus we should be used to INTs around here with the yearly coronation of "the guy" ie Mallet,Hoyer,Savage,Osweiler etc... Funny that with those guys patience was infinite and yet with Deshaun it's the worst thing imaginable. Wierd.
Plus we should be used to INTs around here with the yearly coronation of "the guy" ie Mallet,Hoyer,Savage,Osweiler etc... Funny that with those guys patience was infinite and yet with Deshaun it's the worst thing imaginable. Wierd.
An INT machine? Is that because he threw 17 INTs? If so, how many INTs do you think he should have thrown?
Surely not zero?
Finally. Someone who thinks Smith didn't give up enough.
He's thrown 30 INTs over the past two seasons. That's a huge number against college defenses. I would prefer to see 10 or fewer and, no, I certainly don't expect zero.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Why put off what you can do today for tomorrow. Tomorrow is not promise to you. So why wait until next season to snatch up a quarterback. Looking back at our line from last season we were around the middle of the pack. We started the season off very shaky because of injuries. I believe we would've been a lot better if our main guys would started off healthy. I believe we will build up the oline today.
Quarterback was our main priority just like speed was the main focus last year. Savage is in his contract year. So its very imperative that we develop what could be our franchise this season. Reason why Savage could bounce next season. A lot people dont think a rookie should start anyways. And coach is on record speakin on how hard it is for a rookie to start. Drafting a quarterback this season aligned up perfectly to that notion.
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Texansballer74
The Marine
How many touchdowns did he throw? How many yards did he throw for in the past two seasons. Better yet how many touchdowns did he account for overall in those two seasons.
You see some only focus on one part of the equation verse the full equation. In order to get the correct answer you have complete the entire equation.
So you don't think a guy like Dawkins can "fix" our OL issues?
Big touchdown numbers are to be expected much more than INTs. That many INTs are a huge red flag for a college QB, much more so than TDs thrown. You can 99% guarantee that the TD numbers will drop and INT numbers increase when a QB transitions to the NFL.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Peyton Manning threw 23 interceptions his last 2 seasons at Tennessee. 11 his junior year and 12 in his senior year.
Thats too much as well Manning also threw 56 Touchdowns.
Watson threw 76 touchdowns to 30 interceptions.
Manning threw 56 Touchdowns to 23 interceptions.
Hummmm pretty interesting
Nobody in their right mind would give up two firsts, a second, & a sixth for Philip Rivers. I like the idea of adding him to our team, but not at that price.
& with his pay implications he's not movable this year. Two seasons ago would have been the time to make a push, next season would be a time to make a push.
This year would have been a good time to make a push for Stafford, but after making the playoffs they may have even more confidence in their future with Stafford than I think they should. Still, I don't know I'd offer more than two 2nds.
Interesting. I don't know the answer, I haven't studied any of these QBs. I'd have to take into consideration the make up of his team, his opponents, the number of TDs he accounted for (including rushing TDs), & games won/loss. The number by itself is meaningless to me.
But I'm sure you have good reason to believe the way you do. I'm not going to knock it.
Why do you think his INTs are so "high"? Accuracy? Poor vision? Bad decisions? Poor understanding of ball placement?
Is there anything we should do to help him with whatever issue you think accounts for the high INTs? Like coaching?
Absolutely. If he starts anytime this season, I expect to see mistakes. But I want to see if he can make plays to compensate, or make up for them. Everybody makes mistakes. But if they also make big plays they're allowed some leniency. It's all about winning & while playing mistake free helps you not lose, winning is all about big plays.
#playmakers
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I wouldn't bank on it but I guess anything is possible.
banned1976
sleeper mode
I'm one of those people who has been complaining about Smith and company not drafting a QB early. Now that they have I'm having buyers remorse. I knew the Texans wouldn't be drafting a QB early next year unless they gave up a lot. Every year is like that. So they gave up a lot this year. All I can do is relax and hope it works out. It's not my job on the line.
Watsons INTs came from batted balls, tipped balls (high throws a'la Os), bad judgment/not seeing defenders and some on miscommunication with his receivers. I'm not saying some of these can't be cleaned up and if he ends up starting for the Texans, I'll be rooting for him to succeed. I like his accuracy in the pocket and while scrambling and he does show some anticipation, seeing receivers coming open.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Maybe a chance for 2017. Next year, Savage and Weeden will be gone and then what? A one year clip board holder as starter and two rookie draftees as backup? Or maybe one of the backups will be another FA veteran.
We better win this season because next year the chances are good we regress.
I think they can win with Smith , he's more than competent ... they just ran into better teams in the playoffs and had some injuries that really set them back.
I think this has to do with Three factors
A) While difficult , they could upgrade the position. Smith isn't going to put a team on his back and will it to victory like Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady but he's in the discussion for top 10. I cant think of 9 QB's I'd rather have if the playoffs started tomorrow.
B) Smith only has this year and next on his current contract with a $3.6m out for 2018 and is gonna want another BIG payday which ties up a BIG part of the cap.
Teams have seen what Seattle and other teams with "cheap" QB's have done , allowing them to build stronger teams around those guys since they don't take up so much of the cap on rookie deals ....
They can end up with a QB with a <$5m cap hit after this year or next .... for 3-4 years instead of having a potential $20m cap hit at the position.
C) Smith is getting up there in age .... no better time than now to start planning for tomorrow. They dnt want to be where the Texans have been for the last 5 seasons and the Browns for the last decade.
Number19
Hall of Fame
He has to stay healthy. He has a lean frame and being able to take the punishment an NFL QB is subject to is a legitimate concern. Beside myself, two orhers have raised this concern, one being our forum doc, CloakNNNdagger.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Kind of already did this with data on Carr and Mariota. Something slightly more recent and in this era. Both had comparable yardage and TD's in their last two college seasons, and threw 15 and 8 INT's respectively.
I get - but don't necessarily agree with - the whole "he played against better defenses" argument. Maybe in the playoffs. But the only other ACC team ranked in the Top 20 in Defense for both yards and points was U of Miami, and Clemson didn't play them this year. He threw 3 picks against Troy.
This is just like Fuller's drops. They might/probably will do great things for the Texans, but they are going to have this one thing that will drive us crazy.
You make it sound like he's Teddy Bridgewater. Dude's lean, but not so lean to be a concern. He's got a good build.
Granted if he is relying on his legs too much & gets hit as often as running QBs do, he'll have injury concerns.
But if he plays like Aaron Rodgers with a healthy mix of run/pass, he'll be fine. Rodgers is leaner than Watson.
That's one of my concerns.
He has a penchant to take off too soon; and that's not counting the designed run plays that make the offense more dangerous.
We have seen it with RG3 when they tried it in the NFL.
TxnsJuggernaut
Veteran
With all those ints he threw quite a few more TD's and found ways to win. He is a gamer and he shows that mistakes won't get him down for long if at all. I like that when it mattered most in his biggest games against the stiffest competition he came out aces.
I know we got a high character guy who may be one of those whose pro career ended up better than his college career.
Meaning fewer it's and still a ton of TD's.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Im confident Coach Bill O’Brien will coach him up. He will make sure he goes through his progression before taking off. He will utilize his quick release instead of taking off. They will instruct him to slide or get out of bounds when he do take off.
So let's not worry to much. He will be fine. Savage on the other hand is who we should be worried about.
So let's not worry to much. He will be fine. Savage on the other hand is who we should be worried about.
I rewatched his first 4 games last year, and I'm worried.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Ive watched all of his games at Clemson and im not worried. Like i said Billl and staff will coach him up. Hes also a smart young man so he will be fine.
I did, too.
And I didn't like them enough.
I did have him as the third to fifth QB in this draft.
I don't like any of those 3 at the 12th slot, considering we trade away next year first, when there are more options.
I would have waited until 25th and take the next QB; either him or Kizer.
But not at No. 12.
Watson's potential and Kizer's are in the same ball park.
Both need some works.
Number19
Hall of Fame
OK, we've set our course. Watson is our QB going forward. We need to think about next year as well as fantasizing about this year.
We need to go ahead and release Weeden. We need to draft the QB who will be our #2 next year.
We basically write this season off as a transition year. We'll go with Savage as far as he can take us this year, but he's gone after this season. Savage's performance will dictate how much action Watson sees this season and whether Watson becomes the starter at some point, as many are expecting.
But by releasing Weeden now, we give the QB who will be our #2 next year more snaps this year and will put him that much more ahead of the curve going forward.
We need to go ahead and release Weeden. We need to draft the QB who will be our #2 next year.
We basically write this season off as a transition year. We'll go with Savage as far as he can take us this year, but he's gone after this season. Savage's performance will dictate how much action Watson sees this season and whether Watson becomes the starter at some point, as many are expecting.
But by releasing Weeden now, we give the QB who will be our #2 next year more snaps this year and will put him that much more ahead of the curve going forward.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Every last one of those QBs in this years draft and next years draft needs to work on something. Even Mr. Dak needed a lot of fine tuning. Well that's what the experts said right. And look how he performed in his rookie debut.
Watson is light years ahead of Kizer imo.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
So, for speculative purposes, would Weeden have any trade value? With our paucity of picks next year, anything would help.