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What's your plan for QB next season?

Max said:
I'll take top 10 QB play. Either Savage is the real deal or we found a remarkable rookie QB in that scenario. With a top 10 QB, there's potential to be a contender year in and year out.
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Kinda like the Lions, or Chargers, or Romo led Cowboys?
 
It's time to give Weeden a shot to start. I could care less about his age; he played baseball in his teens and twenties and is better preserved than the injury-prone Savage. Besides, with his ability to throw deep, is a much better fit for the Texans than Osweiler ever was.
 
I'm coming around to the idea of Peterman - the more I watch of him the better I feel about taking him (move up in the second and take him if need be) or if they like him, take him 1:25 there have been worse picks.

Maybe not the highest ceiling, but I would take solid starter.
 
thunderkyss said:
Kinda like the Lions, or Chargers, or Romo led Cowboys?
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You got me regarding being a contender year in and year out, but we both know it's not an either/or scenario. We're more likely to make it to the championship round next year with top 10 qb play and be a contender year in and year out. I'm going to venture a guess and surmise that you're not proposing we give up on searching for a top shelf qb, right?
 
FuzzyLogic said:
I'm coming around to the idea of Peterman - the more I watch of him the better I feel about taking him (move up in the second and take him if need be) or if they like him, take him 1:25 there have been worse picks.

Maybe not the highest ceiling, but I would take solid starter.
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They could trade out of the first, maybe pick up a 2018 2nd in the process.
 
Get someone who is ready to play now. Whether it's Jay Cutler, an acquisition via trade that's not Jimmy Garoppolo because you never make deals with satan and it's about ******* time NFL teams learned this, or the most ready-to-roll QB in the draft whoever they may be.

This defense cannot be wasted any further. JJ Watt cannot be wasted any further.

Enough is enough.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
Get someone who is ready to play now. Whether it's Jay Cutler, an acquisition via trade that's not Jimmy Garoppolo because you never make deals with satan and it's about ******* time NFL teams learned this, or the most ready-to-roll QB in the draft whoever they may be.
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Do you think the Browns or the Cards regret acquiring Jamie Collins or Chandler Jones?
 

man this angry bear fan makes good point. we don't need leader at qb why not sign jay culter. they had terrible o-line. he is good talent, and can make most throws in the nfl. just have to keep int low like he's best yr.

feels like he can do it with texans, and help this team win. especially with jj with back issue coming up. we never know how long he has he's window open like he had past yrs even though it is he's prime yrs to come.
 
Don't get the Webb appeal at all. Besides some arm strength there's just nothing that special that stands out about him. Spotty accuracy, molasses setup/delivery, telegraphic throwing motion, rote processing and anticipation, nothing in the way of play extension.

If we take him I'll just cram it, hope I'm wrong, and root for him ... but right now I just don't see it.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Don't get the Webb appeal at all. Besides some arm strength there's just nothing that special that stands out about him. Spotty accuracy, molasses setup/delivery, telegraphic throwing motion, rote processing and anticipation, nothing in the way of play extension.

If we take him I'll just cram it, hope I'm wrong, and root for him ... but right now I just don't see it.
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TBH I'm not a huge fan. But I'd be ok with taking him.

More ok than all the others guys minus my two favs.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Do you think the Browns or the Cards regret acquiring Jamie Collins or Chandler Jones?
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We'll see once whatever they got for those players turns into the next god somehow someway. Never deal with them. Ever. Also **** the Raiders and now the Saints and Panthers for doing so.

Especially for an unproven player.

I can't believe people are still clamoring for more Patriots bullshit to infect our team. I just cannot fathom it.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
We'll see once whatever they got for those players turns into the next god somehow someway. Never deal with them. Ever. Also **** the Raiders and now the Saints and Panthers for doing so.

Especially for an unproven player.

I can't believe people are still clamoring for more Patriots bullshit to infect our team. I just cannot fathom it.
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They got Jonathan Cooper and a pick for Chandler Jones. Cooper got passed up on their depth chart and was waived while the draft pick was traded for other picks. In the meantime Jones's been a stud for Arizona and's been re-signed for five years.

They got a third round pick for Jamie Collins that they packaged to put together a deal for Brandin Cooks from N.O. In the meantime Collins looked very good for a Cleveland team putting all of their pieces in the right places, and they happily locked him up for four more years.

So tell me again how maybe those teams are bummed about their deals with NE, maybe?
 
OK, so you honestly believe that RAC reports to McNair and is basically running the team behind (or even in front of) OB's back? And that even though it is totally obvious to you, OB has no clue that it is happening and/or is powerless to stop it?

Honestly, or is it just a slow off season and we are stirring the message board pot?
 
Mollywhopper said:
They got Jonathan Cooper and a pick for Chandler Jones. Cooper got passed up on their depth chart and was waived while the draft pick was traded for other picks. In the meantime Jones's been a stud for Arizona and's been re-signed for five years.

They got a third round pick for Jamie Collins that they packaged to put together a deal for Brandin Cooks from N.O. In the meantime Collins looked very good for a Cleveland team putting all of their pieces in the right places, and they happily locked him up for four more years.

So tell me again how maybe those teams are bummed about their deals with NE, maybe?
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If your argument is that some deals don't work out like magic for the Patriots, that's fine. Some don't.

My argument is different than that. My argument is "Don't deal with them, don't help them, don't give them anything in return for anything, don't have anything to do with them. Don't even give them a chance. **** them."

Total isolation.
 
sandman said:
OK, so you honestly believe that RAC reports to McNair and is basically running the team behind (or even in front of) OB's back? And that even though it is totally obvious to you, OB has no clue that it is happening and/or is powerless to stop it?

Honestly, or is it just a slow off season and we are stirring the message board pot?
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life is not that black and white

on a scale of responsabilities Bill Belichick is between a GM and a HC

OB is more between a HC and an OC

RAC fills in the gap between a pure HC and OB


EDIT: I think this based on their quotes about next season, not based on their job the previous seasons
 
Sigma said:
life is not that black and white

on a scale of responsabilities Bill Belichick is between a GM and a HC

OB is more between a HC and an OC

RAC fills in the gap between a pure HC and OB


EDIT: I think this based on their quotes about next season, not based on their job the previous seasons
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I don't disagree with any of the above. Doesn't address the assertion that RAC is reporting to McNair "in theory" and OB is being cut out of loop on at least some HC stuff because of this arrangement.

RAC is either helping his boss OB to be a successful HC, or he is helping his boss McNair to keep OB from screwing up. There is no other reason for RAC to report to McNair "in theory".
 
sandman said:
I don't disagree with any of the above. Doesn't address the assertion that RAC is reporting to McNair "in theory" and OB is being cut out of loop on at least some HC stuff because of this arrangement.

RAC is either helping his boss OB to be a successful HC, or he is helping his boss McNair to keep OB from screwing up. There is no other reason for RAC to report to McNair "in theory".
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sorry I thought you previous comment was replying to a different post
 
Sigma said:
sorry I thought you previous comment was replying to a different post
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OK, so I'm 6 hours ahead of Houston, there were several posts made after I went to bed last night, and I *thought I had quoted the post to which I replied. The confusion was created on my end.
 
Thorsson said:
It's time to give Weeden a shot to start. I could care less about his age; he played baseball in his teens and twenties and is better preserved than the injury-prone Savage. Besides, with his ability to throw deep, is a much better fit for the Texans than Osweiler ever was.
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I just hope for an honest competition in training camp. Everything I've read in the media indicates that QB1 is Savage's to lose.
 
FuzzyLogic said:
I'm coming around to the idea of Peterman - the more I watch of him the better I feel about taking him (move up in the second and take him if need be) or if they like him, take him 1:25 there have been worse picks.

Maybe not the highest ceiling, but I would take solid starter.
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I think my position on this is known, but if the Texans are committed to taking a QB high, then Peterman is likely the best fit and likely the player the Texans are targeting. He might be available at 2-57, but you'd be taking a real risk passing on him at 1-25. You just don't know where he will taken. You may not even have the chance to trade up from 2-57. But I don't like the idea of passing on an OT with that first pick and I do think that one of the upper tier tackles will be there, just as Brown was.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
If your argument is that some deals don't work out like magic for the Patriots, that's fine. Some don't.

My argument is different than that. My argument is "Don't deal with them, don't help them, don't give them anything in return for anything, don't have anything to do with them. Don't even give them a chance. **** them."

Total isolation.
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I'd prefer to do my team a huge solid if I can, but you knock yourself out there..
 
zshawn10 said:
Looks like it will be Peterman, Dobbs, or Webb granted we don't trade up
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Wouldn't mind getting Lamp (fingers crossed) in the first instead of QB. Wouldn't be suprised if we took Webb in the second, if he is there.

Looks to be a crap-shoot drafting a QB this year. No sure fire choices. But then Dak wasn't sure fire either so you never know.

Take a flyer later on a late round QB or even un-drafted player. Maybe Jarrod Evans will be available there.

:coffee:
 
Corrosion said:
I think his point is that more often than not , the Patriots come out on top in all these deals - at least that's the perception.
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That's what I understood it to originally be and that teams should under no circumstances deal with them, and why I then pointed to recent examples of teams that by all accounts are quite content, or more, for doing so and why it doesn't have to be an absolutely bad idea.
 
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Mollywhopper said:
Don't get the Webb appeal at all. Besides some arm strength there's just nothing that special that stands out about him. Spotty accuracy, molasses setup/delivery, telegraphic throwing motion, rote processing and anticipation, nothing in the way of play extension.

If we take him I'll just cram it, hope I'm wrong, and root for him ... but right now I just don't see it.
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if you hate Webb, you will hate his QB comparison:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/davis-webb?id=2557897
 
Beef up the offensive line should be the main agenda. Last year the main focus was speed. They did a great job with sticking to their theme. Savage and or Weeden will be our starting QB. Bill O'Brien is on record saying he will not start a rookie QB. ( I think that is a stupid mindset because we have seen so many successful rookie quarterbacks). So the best course of action is build a line to protect our often hurt Savage and/or our old man Weeden. Running the ball is our identity, so we just need our QB to be serviceable.
 
zshawn10 said:
if you hate Webb, you will hate his QB comparison:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/davis-webb?id=2557897
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NFL COMPARISON Brock Osweiler
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Mollywhopper said:
They got Jonathan Cooper and a pick for Chandler Jones. Cooper got passed up on their depth chart and was waived while the draft pick was traded for other picks. In the meantime Jones's been a stud for Arizona and's been re-signed for five years.

They got a third round pick for Jamie Collins that they packaged to put together a deal for Brandin Cooks from N.O. In the meantime Collins looked very good for a Cleveland team putting all of their pieces in the right places, and they happily locked him up for four more years.

So tell me again how maybe those teams are bummed about their deals with NE, maybe?
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I think you could look specifically at NE back up QB's and get an entirely different opinion when talking about trading for or signing them in FA. How many have gone on to be world champion starters?
 
DocBar said:
I think you could look specifically at NE back up QB's and get an entirely different opinion when talking about trading for or signing them in FA. How many have gone on to be world champion starters?
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How many of them have been selected by the Pats in the first two rounds?
 
I think we should go best player available in the 1st if none of the olinemen fall. Then, I'd do what's needed to land Kizer in the 2nd. Roll with Savage this season and hope for the best.
 
Mollywhopper said:
They got Jonathan Cooper and a pick for Chandler Jones. Cooper got passed up on their depth chart and was waived while the draft pick was traded for other picks. In the meantime Jones's been a stud for Arizona and's been re-signed for five years.

They got a third round pick for Jamie Collins that they packaged to put together a deal for Brandin Cooks from N.O. In the meantime Collins looked very good for a Cleveland team putting all of their pieces in the right places, and they happily locked him up for four more years.

So tell me again how maybe those teams are bummed about their deals with NE, maybe?
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I think you could look specifically at NE back up QB's and get an entirely different opinion when talking about trading for or signing them in FA. How many have gone on to be world champion starters?
Mollywhopper said:
How many of them have been selected by the Pats in the first two rounds?
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Last pick of the 2nd round. Mallett was a 3rd round pick. That's as close as it comes to the 2nd.
 
DocBar said:
Last pick of the 2nd round. Mallett was a 3rd round pick. That's as close as it comes to the 2nd.
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That last of the second round pick is universally seen as a much better prospect than Matt Cassell, Brian Hoyer, or Ryan Mallett.

And this makes him legitimately more desirable than those other guys.

Their lack of success means absolutely nothing whatsoever toward Garoppolo's chances elsewhere.
 
thunderkyss said:
I think you read that wrong. Or heard it or whatever. That's not what he said.
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These are his exact words. I decipher it as him basically saying he will not start a rookie at that position.

“I think that there’s no substitute for experience,” O’Brien said, via ESPN.com. “So, I think it’s hard to ask a guy to come in straight from college and Day One he’s a starter on your team. But I know that there are some really good quarterbacks in this draft that we’re looking at, and we’ve met with a lot of them. We’re excited about continuing to get to know them. But, I just think for me as a general rule, that’s tough to start them as a Day One guy.”
 
Texansballer74 said:
He's not completely right because we have sern several teams go with a rookie quarterback as their dat one starter.
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Many have gone with one...what percentage have been successful?

We went to the playoffs with this stat line at QB last year:

14GP 59%comp 2957 YDS 15TD 16INT 30 carries, 131 Rushing yards 2TDs

Not great, right?

You'd have to hope for a top-10 all time rookie QB performance to exceed it.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Not sure if this has been posted by anyone, but:

https://www.google.com/amp/www.dawg...-browns-2017-nfl-scouting-combine-qb-velocity

Pretty much matches what I see on film and my favorite qbs have the best velocity.

So far there are three qbs I'd like the Texans to come away with.

1. Mahom
2. Trubisky
3. Webb

Have not seen another guy I really like outside of that.
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Interesting stats. I'm curious about the "Total Film Grade" portion and how they are judging the QB's. They have Evans and Webb rated a 70 and Mahomes, Watson, and Kizer at 79. So I'm curious what they are looking at. To me, Evans has as much, and maybe even more, potential based on the film I watched (Pitt game and ND game) as any QB in this draft! I'm not sure why he is flying so far under the radar and not getting much attention at all. I have to assume it's because he only played 1 yr at Va.Tech. I was hoping the Texans would get Romo and draft Evans in the 4th to develop, but I guess that's out the window now. If Evans goes to the right team that will develop him he could turn out to be the best of this QB class in a few years. My guess for the Texans now is they take either Mahomes or Trubisky if they are there at #25. Not sure what they think of the other QB's in the 1st.
 
Number19 said:
I think my position on this is known, but if the Texans are committed to taking a QB high, then Peterman is likely the best fit and likely the player the Texans are targeting. He might be available at 2-57, but you'd be taking a real risk passing on him at 1-25. You just don't know where he will taken. You may not even have the chance to trade up from 2-57. But I don't like the idea of passing on an OT with that first pick and I do think that one of the upper tier tackles will be there, just as Brown was.
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While all of what you say makes sense, and I would love for them to get that OT with pick #25 too, I think you may want to prepare yourself for them picking a QB in the 1st rd, and I don't think it will be Peterman either! JMO.
 
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