TexansSeminole
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So? What's your point? Are you against hope?
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What's your plan for QB next season?
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So? What's your point? Are you against hope?
Number19
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Just a recognition of those comments, in other threads, about the team being in a win now mode; and wasting the talent we've put into the defense.
TexansSeminole
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I get that a lot of people feel that way, but we aren't winning anything without a QB, so I usually disregard that kind of talk when it comes to drafting a QB.
maverick512000
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Ah my mistake, tone doesn't carry over text and as you said some people seem to believe this.
maverick512000
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I agree we are in win now mode, I also believe we need to draft a QB and yes I know it won't help us in the up coming season unless something happens that they will most likely make a movie about later.
Just because you are in win now mode doesn't mean you have ALL the pieces in plCe. Sadly we managed to enter win now mode without getting at least a decent QB in place. It's like gearing up and sending all the troops into battle while forgetting to pick a commanding officer.
It's why I was in favor of getting Romo because, injuries, aside he was the most realistic chance we had. Cutler and Kap don't have it in them, The hood isn't going to let go of Jimmy G at a price we could afford and even if he does it's almost an Osweiler level gamble that he's the real goods and there are no other QBs that might be free that are even worth considering.
So yeah we are in win now mode but it is kind of wasted.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
What are you referring to? Mitch Trubisky to the Browns at #1? That was just what Adam Schefter has been reporting for a few days. I thought it was common knowledge by now? They've been going back and forth between Myles Garrett and Mitch Trubisky but those close to Paul DePodesta believe Trubkisky will be the selection. I guess we'll find out soon enough.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
Why would we get a guy at #25 that will still be there for us at the end of round two and possibly three? I'm not buying this Davis Webb first-round talk. I'm willing to bet you breakfast at Denny's that Davis Webb will not be drafted in the first round.
EDIT: Pardon me. I read all of what you wrote!
I'm on my smartphone now so reading is limited.
TxnsJuggernaut
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Who's to say there isn't a surprise star Qb that could be found in round three or four?
It is not likely but it is possible. No later than round three we should draft a Qb and hope for a steal.
I was referring to the word apparent.
Drafting a Qb probably wont have any effect on the outcome of the season ... hell he might never see the field which is fairly typical of the position , not many start out of the gate historically .... We've seen a few do it in recent years with varying degrees of success .... but in general even the best QB's sit for all or part of a season.
Problem is , the longer we put off finding the answer to our QB conundrum , the longer we have to wait for him to develop .... No better time than yesterday to start planning for today.
Consider the fact that several teams with established QB's are rumored to have interest in one or more of the top 4 prospects in this draft .... Arizona , SD , Pittsburgh , New Orleans , NY Giants .... all have established quarterbacks all somehow linked to one or more of the quarterback prospects in this draft. WHY ?!
Because there is no better time than yesterday to start planning for today.
The Texans never planned beyond Schaub .... and we're still dealing with the consequences.
How many more years do you want to put off solving the position long term ?!
If Rick is as bad at his job as many here believe him to be, I agree.
But if Rick was able to build a team that can win with severe limitations at the QB position, drafting the right QB may be the best thing we could do for this season.
But it would be up to the coaches to make it work.
banned1976
sleeper mode
Honestly, I'd rather the Texans finish 2-14 this season and draft Darnold next year.
I'd rather they win the Super Bowl & draft Darnold next year.
Number19
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It's the off season, so we all have to bloviate over the same issues over and over repetively.
One area of disagreement is whether we draft a future QB earlier or later. Draft one early and you forfeit drafting a player who may help out immediately.
Another area of disagreement is over the kind of QB which would best fit into O'Brian's offense: a game manager type or a gunslinger type. A game manager type can be taken later, leaving the first round pick to go to a position which would benefit the team immediately. This supports a win now philosophy.
No one is arguing that we don't draft a QB. The disagreement is over where in the draft do we address the QB.
If we draft a QB in the first, this will be all on Rick Smith - probably Mahomes, a gunslinger. If we draft a QB in a round other than the first, this will likely mean O'Brian influenced the decision and will be more a game manager type - either Peterman or Webb.
This assessment assumes Watson is not there at 1-25. If he were to fall to us, I think both Smith and O'Brian would be in agreement.
One area of disagreement is whether we draft a future QB earlier or later. Draft one early and you forfeit drafting a player who may help out immediately.
Another area of disagreement is over the kind of QB which would best fit into O'Brian's offense: a game manager type or a gunslinger type. A game manager type can be taken later, leaving the first round pick to go to a position which would benefit the team immediately. This supports a win now philosophy.
No one is arguing that we don't draft a QB. The disagreement is over where in the draft do we address the QB.
If we draft a QB in the first, this will be all on Rick Smith - probably Mahomes, a gunslinger. If we draft a QB in a round other than the first, this will likely mean O'Brian influenced the decision and will be more a game manager type - either Peterman or Webb.
This assessment assumes Watson is not there at 1-25. If he were to fall to us, I think both Smith and O'Brian would be in agreement.
Sigma
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I don't think the texans are in "win now" mode anymore.
they were in that mode last year when they got a lot of new shiny players: QB, RB and WRs
Right now I'd say we're more in the "let's tank one season and start rebuilding from next year" mode
banned1976
sleeper mode
me too. I just don't know how that can happen with either of the two QB's on this roster.
TxnsJuggernaut
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In Russel Wilson and Dak Prescott among recently drafted quarterbacks, we have seen them outperform their draft positions and be ready from the start, and I don't necessarily think it is any more doubtful for quarterbacks in the future than it was thought to be for those two mentioned.
I am not saying later round quarterbacks over achieve their draft statuses very often but I am thinking we will see that far more often going forward then we have seen in many seasons past.
Just the same we have seen quarterbacks drafted early say round 1/1-10, fail or at least fall far short of their hype. It may be that the higher the draft pick the better the chance is that they will meet lofty expectations but I think we will see more Russell Wilson and Dak Prescott types who will outperform their draft positions.
Later round Quarterbacks have little pressure to be good to great early but just the same they work hard many times to prove they are better than the doubters feel they are capable of being.
All the quarterbacks this season headed to the draft are seen as short to long term projects. I think at least two will come out playing well and far beyond expectations.
Then again our best chance of getting our future "IT" quarterback is if we get one in the first two rounds, preferably no later than the second round. I hold out hope that if we draft a quarterback in the third or fourth round that we end up with another Dak Prescott. I think we will see surprises along those lines far more going forward than in the past.
I hope the draft ends up with us getting one of those quarterbacks seen as the best among the rest. However, should we end up say drafting Davis Webb, I would hope he outperforms where he is projected to be drafted.
I am not saying later round quarterbacks over achieve their draft statuses very often but I am thinking we will see that far more often going forward then we have seen in many seasons past.
Just the same we have seen quarterbacks drafted early say round 1/1-10, fail or at least fall far short of their hype. It may be that the higher the draft pick the better the chance is that they will meet lofty expectations but I think we will see more Russell Wilson and Dak Prescott types who will outperform their draft positions.
Later round Quarterbacks have little pressure to be good to great early but just the same they work hard many times to prove they are better than the doubters feel they are capable of being.
All the quarterbacks this season headed to the draft are seen as short to long term projects. I think at least two will come out playing well and far beyond expectations.
Then again our best chance of getting our future "IT" quarterback is if we get one in the first two rounds, preferably no later than the second round. I hold out hope that if we draft a quarterback in the third or fourth round that we end up with another Dak Prescott. I think we will see surprises along those lines far more going forward than in the past.
I hope the draft ends up with us getting one of those quarterbacks seen as the best among the rest. However, should we end up say drafting Davis Webb, I would hope he outperforms where he is projected to be drafted.
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Texansballer74
The Marine
Agreed 100%
And to add to that, the rookie has to just flat out win the job.
Thunderkyss i just hope this position gets resolved sooner rather later. We've been going on about the quarterback position for way too long.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Man that would be painful. Most of our fan base would lose their minds. And Bill O'Brien/crew will be handed their walking papers. Rick Smith included probably
Actually, many if not most on this board would be too busy detailing all the ways BOB and Rick had always sucked and how great their choice of coach and GM would be.
banned1976
sleeper mode
I could endure it, though. I could endure watching another bad season than these 9-7 seasons that land us in the middle or late part of round 1.
Watt's back is problematic and could be the beginning of the end of his career. Clowney's knee is a ticking time bomb. Joseph is near retiring as well as Cushing. Duane Brown too. Eventually they have to think about the future, like 10-15 years. I would be fine with Smith and O'Brien telling McNair that there is no QB in this draft that can turn this franchise around. Let's get younger, think ahead and take our chances in the 2018 draft for a better crop of QB's.
Now to be clear, I'm not advocating the Texans tank the season. All I'm saying is I can handle watching them lose if I think it's going to put them in a position to finally land a franchise QB. And a lot of scouts are saying that is what Darnold is. They say he is the best franchise QB prospect since Luck.
I'm still good with Savage, Weeden and any rookie QB not named Kizer or Webb. I honestly think either Savage or Weeden could lead the Texans on a nice playoff run IF the OL gets upgraded. That is the single largest hole on the roster. I think Martin coming back will go a long way in upgrading the OL, but RT is an absolute must. LT depth is a pretty dire need, also.
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Texansballer74
The Marine
Understood but i would hate to waste this great defense like that. They deserve to win now and i would rather it be here than somewhere else.
TripleTap
Dead Wood
The first thing we need is a coach who is able to recognize and adapt to circumstances. If we had gotten Prescott you can be sure he'd have spent last year on the bench because O'B would not have seen the potential. Similarly for Wilson years ago. O'Brien is set in his ways and not likely to do anything that challenges those ways. He's not long on imagination (see play calling) or inspiration.
Number19
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I think RG is a question mark. If Allen, coming back from his injury, performs to the expectations we had when we signed him, then we may be OK. Mantz and Martin have experience at the position, but I don't think at the level we need.
Really? I think Manc or Martin would do well at either C or RG.
Number19
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Nothing I can hang my hat on. But Martin is coming off an injury and hasn't yet played his first snap in a game. Mancz is a lunch pail athlete who, in college, played every position except LT. Has always answered the bell and gotten the job done. But until he does it in the NFL, as an OG, he's a question mark as to whether he'll be more than JAG at the OG position.
I think we need to draft an OG as well as an OT.
I think XSF is going to be among the better guards in the league. I'm hoping Martin will be among the better Centers as well.
If Allen can be the guy he was at KC, Mancz would be pretty good depth.
If Allen can be the guy he was at KC, Mancz would be pretty good depth.
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Number19
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Brown, XSF, Martin, Mancz, Allen, draft pickRT....we still need 2 more, maybe 3. Clark as the swing tackle? He's barely JAG, but serviceable for this season. Who else?
I still think Clark played well for a backup. Hopefully we won't need him to play as much in 2017.
Then we have Lamm. I don't know what they think about him, but he got a bunch of extra snaps at the end of the season.
We need a starter at RT.
Number19
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It's a swing guard that I question. We have Mancz/Martin. But are Chad Slade and JOsh Walker serviceable?
Texansballer74
The Marine
Only time will tell. They didn't see much action at all. So that's pretty hard to say if they ate serviceable or not.
TheRealJoker
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Practice squad possibly. It's gonna be Mancz/Martin/X/Allen in the interior.
Number19
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Four players to fill three spots? I don't think so. It would even be difficult to practice with this limitation. You may have only four active on game day, although even this would be risky, but you simply have to have at least five on your active roster, and preferably six. Maybe five if you have a player like Mancz.
austins23
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I'd be pleased as punch if Allen didn't see the field this year. Give me Brown, X, Martin, Mancz, and fill in the blank. Allen can ride pine and come in off the bench if needed.
TxnsJuggernaut
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Unfortunately you are correct.
TxnsJuggernaut
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There is no doubt Osweiler sucked last season but I think he is a better Qb than we saw last season.
I am not saying he is pro bowl good but I would venture to say that given a better fit at head coach he would have performed up to his Broncos season. Which was not too bad.
I am not saying he is pro bowl good but I would venture to say that given a better fit at head coach he would have performed up to his Broncos season. Which was not too bad.
TxnsJuggernaut
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I don't think either sucks but I won't lose sleep if either or both lose their job after a sub par to lousy season.
I'm not in the O'b fan club, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I don't know how creative O'b is. I don't know how adaptive he is to his players abilities.
I'll blame Godsey, the inexperienced OC who wasn't up for the job.
I'm sure by Thanksgiving NE coaches would have incorporated a lot of sweeps, screens, & wheel routes into our offense. & why not, you had a QB who couldn't throw past six yards & you had three scat backs who could attack the edges... Ervin could swing out as a WR every now & then.
Just like I was saying, "Who daf'k is this Shane Vereen guy!!!" Back in 2012 Div game. Tyler Ervin should have had a coming out party in last year's playoffs.
Or at least that's the way it worked out in my mind.
TheMatrix31
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The problem is you expected Patriots Bullshit to work outside the Patriots.
Everyone expects this still. I don't know why.
Everyone expects this still. I don't know why.
I'm talking about using the players strengths.
Instead of running our little running backs between the tackles, why weren't we attacking the edges?
Why weren't we using misdirection?
Why weren't we running RB & TE screens?
RBs come into the league making impact almost from day 1. Why were we feeding Lamar Miller like he was the only RB on our roster? Then every time someone else made a play; Grimes, Blue, Hunt... they're quickly shown the bench & we pound Miller up the middle.
Because with Os at QB and Alen/Clark at RG/RT there wasn't going to be any running to the outside. Occasionally they tried and it only worked about 10 % of the time. What I want to know is how often does the Pats offense run the ball outside? They run a lot of swing passes but don't run many sweeps. Also how many screen passes do the Texans run compared to the Pats and when you take in the factors remember the Pats had Brady at QB and BOB had Os. There's not really a fair comparison between the 2 teams.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Because they have this "game plan" offense where none of that is actually in the game plan.
xtruroyaltyx
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leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
It has been bizarre to say the least. They should alternate series between miller,hunt,and grimes. It would benefit the squad even with the contract of miller.
zshawn10
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Ian Rapoport
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#Clemson QB Deshaun Watson flies to Houston tomorrow and is slated for a visit with the #Texans tomorrow and Tuesday, I'm told. They pick 25
1:33 PM - 16 Apr 2017
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#Clemson QB Deshaun Watson flies to Houston tomorrow and is slated for a visit with the #Texans tomorrow and Tuesday, I'm told. They pick 25
1:33 PM - 16 Apr 2017
HouSportsWriter
SIAB
I hope the Texans do not draft a QB.
I believe it would be David Carr all over again.
David Carr was amazing in collage.
I do not believe David had a chance to grow
do to the lack of O-Line.
That being said who ever we pick will have better weapons then David.
This year's QB selectons are not worth our first round pick.
What I want?
Jay cutler on a one year deal
if obrian fails to work his magic with cutler.
get rid of both.
Let the new coach pick what ever QB he wants next year and even move up to get him if we must.
Get your pink soap out it's going to be a long season
I believe it would be David Carr all over again.
David Carr was amazing in collage.
I do not believe David had a chance to grow
do to the lack of O-Line.
That being said who ever we pick will have better weapons then David.
This year's QB selectons are not worth our first round pick.
What I want?
Jay cutler on a one year deal
if obrian fails to work his magic with cutler.
get rid of both.
Let the new coach pick what ever QB he wants next year and even move up to get him if we must.
Get your pink soap out it's going to be a long season
TxnsJuggernaut
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Cutler and O'b would for sure butt heads.
TxnsJuggernaut
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If the Texans give up a bunch for DW than there is no way I want him.