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What's your plan for QB next season?

It doesn't matter. At the time Manning was a huge gamble. He couldn't even grab a football much less throw one.

& with our doctors chances are he never would have played a down.

I'm a big Manning fan, but at the time... I didn't want to take the chance.

Would have been great had he come here & things worked out for us the way they did for Denver, but there were a lot of things that happened in Denver that did not happen here.
 
thunderkyss said:
I believe that contract was given to Schaub as a gamble on Rick Smith's part. He must have believed Schaub could have a break out season. Joe Flacco was offered a similar contract & turned it down that same offseason.

Flacco turned it down, betting on himself.

Schaub originally did the same, only to change his mind, week 1 of the regular season.

That was the beginning of mediocre QBs getting crazy money. If Schaub didn't take the deal, had a pro bowl season, we'd have most likely signed him to a six year extension more than $100M.

As it were, it wasn't a bad deal. $12M/yr I think & we could get out after two. Basically telling Schaub he had two years to prove he was a franchise QB.

Yes... we could have let him play out his current contract. But I think that would have worked out against the, "everything is fine on Kirby" facade McNair likes to portray.
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I remember the contract and I was shocked by it, considering Schaub's injury and CnD's prognosis. I agree that it was a gamble by RS and I disagreed with it.
 
Just watched Game Changers and listened and watched Mooch's assessment of Davis Webb. I'm sold on drafting this guy and he would be my exclusive target in the draft. The Texans need to trade back and secure an additional pick while keeping Davis in their cross-hairs. Bear in mind though, Mooch also said it might be in Webb's best interest to get drafted by a team with a solid veteran in place while Webb gets a couple of years of development.

If he's as smart as they say, I'd venture to say that he could be in the competition in 2018. I would be ok with Savage, Weeden and Webb next season. Savage or Weeden in 2018 while Webb goes to QB2...unless he just flat out takes the QB1 position.

Texans has to drop back and get that extra pick.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Just watched Game Changers and listened and watched Mooch's assessment of Davis Webb. I'm sold on drafting this guy and he would be my exclusive target in the draft. The Texans need to trade back and secure an additional pick while keeping Davis in their cross-hairs. Bear in mind though, Mooch also said it might be in Webb's best interest to get drafted by a team with a solid veteran in place while Webb gets a couple of years of development.

If he's as smart as they say, I'd venture to say that he could be in the competition in 2018. I would be ok with Savage, Weeden and Webb next season. Savage or Weeden in 2018 while Webb goes to QB2...unless he just flat out takes the QB1 position.

Texans has to drop back and get that extra pick.
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I agree. Not sure about the trading back (only because we need OL help as well, and I don't like to make predictions on draft day trades) but if we could get Davis Webb we might get the best QB in this draft and I'm a big fan of Watson.
Just look at the top 3 and you can see where Webb checks out better.
Watson - Mobile, good leader, inaccurate questionable reading defenses.
Kizer - Inaccurate, big and mobile.
Trubisky - mobile, lacks the arm, not much time as a starter in college

a lot of the same can be said for Webb except the inaccurate part. I have watched the Senior Bowl and a few of his games over and over and I really like the way this dude can scan the field before his throws.
 
El Tejano said:
I agree. Not sure about the trading back (only because we need OL help as well, and I don't like to make predictions on draft day trades) but if we could get Davis Webb we might get the best QB in this draft and I'm a big fan of Watson.
Just look at the top 3 and you can see where Webb checks out better.
Watson - Mobile, good leader, inaccurate questionable reading defenses.
Kizer - Inaccurate, big and mobile.
Trubisky - mobile, lacks the arm, not much time as a starter in college

a lot of the same can be said for Webb except the inaccurate part. I have watched the Senior Bowl and a few of his games over and over and I really like the way this dude can scan the field before his throws.
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NFL.com comparison is Brock Osweiler
 
El Tejano said:
I agree. Not sure about the trading back (only because we need OL help as well, and I don't like to make predictions on draft day trades) but if we could get Davis Webb we might get the best QB in this draft and I'm a big fan of Watson.
Just look at the top 3 and you can see where Webb checks out better.
Watson - Mobile, good leader, inaccurate questionable reading defenses.
Kizer - Inaccurate, big and mobile.
Trubisky - mobile, lacks the arm, not much time as a starter in college

a lot of the same can be said for Webb except the inaccurate part. I have watched the Senior Bowl and a few of his games over and over and I really like the way this dude can scan the field before his throws.
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Not sure I've watched the same Webb. As the one I've seen has had bouts of scattershot accuracy (especially downfield), a rather rote progression through some limited reads, a wind-up/delivery that makes Osweiler look like Marino, and little in the way of improvisational/play-extension ability.

I'd take Trubisky every day of the week over Webb, Watson too for that matter (and I'm not big on Watson), and Kizer/Webb boils down to essentially a wash of two guys who I wouldn't want to exchange much in the way of value (high pick/passing on better talent) for.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
That was actually pretty impressive. Glad I watched that.

Can't tell a lot about him as a passer other than he looks like he has a cannon. All the physical attributes you could want. Would not mind bringing him in as a late round pick if they don't go qb early or as an udfa.
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Also without having the pressure of going up against a vet set in position or a Osweiler/Romo with huge hype and huge $, Matt Davis would get a longer look and yes that applies to Savage and Weeden getting more of a look.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Just watched Game Changers and listened and watched Mooch's assessment of Davis Webb. I'm sold on drafting this guy and he would be my exclusive target in the draft. The Texans need to trade back and secure an additional pick while keeping Davis in their cross-hairs. Bear in mind though, Mooch also said it might be in Webb's best interest to get drafted by a team with a solid veteran in place while Webb gets a couple of years of development.

If he's as smart as they say, I'd venture to say that he could be in the competition in 2018. I would be ok with Savage, Weeden and Webb next season. Savage or Weeden in 2018 while Webb goes to QB2...unless he just flat out takes the QB1 position.

Texans has to drop back and get that extra pick.
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what about Webb's medical history? 2013 undisclosed illness lost 40 pounds, 2014 season ending ankle injury versus TCU after 8 games. He then chose shoulder surgery for injury happening month before.
 
Texansballer74 said:
All im saying is we got two different stories.

And back then the media was saying Kubiak was the reason why Matt got that extension.
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That's not true. Yes the media stated he was given an extension but you have nothing , absolutely nothing to support that Gary was responsible for it - That was fan speculation and completely false.


Contracts are strictly the responsibility of one Tricky Rick.


One story comes straight from the mouth of Gary , the other from a guy who says he has a couple buddies on the team .... wonder which I'm going to believe?!
 
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Corrosion said:
That's not true. Yes the media stated he was given an extension but you have nothing , absolutely nothing to support that Gary was responsible for it - That was fan speculation and completely false.


Contracts are strictly the responsibility of one Tricky Rick.


One story comes straight from the mouth of Gary , the other from a guy who says he has a couple buddies on the team .... wonder which I'm going to believe?!
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Interesting you want proof but doesn't want proof. How do you know if it's out the horses mouth when you didn't hear it come out the horses mouth?

Hahahaha off the chains.

And why are you getting all bothered for anyways.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Interesting you want proof but doesn't want proof. How do you know if it's out the horses mouth when you didn't hear it come out the horses mouth?

Hahahaha off the chains.

And why are you getting all bothered for anyways.
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Why are you?
 
Texansballer74 said:
Interesting you want proof but doesn't want proof. How do you know if it's out the horses mouth when you didn't hear it come out the horses mouth?

Hahahaha off the chains.

And why are you getting all bothered for anyways.
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Because he did hear it straight from the horses mouth.
 
& really, it doesn't matter whose idea it was to extend Schaub. That's the GM's decision. Even if Kubiak strongly suggested an extension be offered, the GM can & should refuse if he has reason to believe it's not a good idea.

It's the GM's job to determine if they'll offer $14M/yr or $9M.

Then after the deal is accepted it is the Coaches job to determine which players provide the best chances of winning. Six consecutive games throwing a pick six. That's on Kubiak. The home crowd cheering when Schaub got hurt, that's on Kubiak because he refused to bench Schaub when he should have.

He benched Schaub in the SF game but did not call one pass play when Tj came in. There was time for us to attempt a comeback, but it looked like Kubiak wanted to avoid a QB controversy.

I say this not to insult Kubiak. Extending Schaub was Rick's mistake, regardless Kubiak's opinion. Playing Schaub was Kubiak's mistake regardless Rick's opinion.

He's got to play the hand he's dealt. To go all in with a small pair... can't blame the dealer.
 
Corrosion said:
That's not true. Yes the media stated he was given an extension but you have nothing , absolutely nothing to support that Gary was responsible for it - That was fan speculation and completely false.


Contracts are strictly the responsibility of one Tricky Rick.


One story comes straight from the mouth of Gary , the other from a guy who says he has a couple buddies on the team .... wonder which I'm going to believe?!
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Corrosion my apologies. I was only going off of what i heard. Smith made that call, so we can chalk that up as another bad contract on his behalf.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Corrosion my apologies. I was only going off of what i heard. Smith made that call, so we can chalk that up as another bad contract on his behalf.
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I assume someone spelled out to you what everyone else in the thread already knew .... :corrosion:
 
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If Deshaun Watson surprisingly falls to 25...
Would he be a no brainer for the Texans to select?
Some new mock drafts have it happening.
Mitch Trubisky is apparently going #1 to the Browns.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
If Deshaun Watson surprisingly falls to 25...
Would he be a no brainer for the Texans to select?
Some new mock drafts have it happening.
Mitch Trubisky is apparently going #1 to the Browns.
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I hope not! Watson scares me. On one hand he has some great leadership qualities being able to lead his team to a championship, but on the other hand his turnovers and lack of ball velocity (49 mph) bother me. If Watson and Kizer where one person they would probably be the perfect QB, Kizer with his physical traits and rocket arm and Watson with his drive and leadership. But, they're not! So, I hope the Texans pass on both. If Trubisky or Mahomes is within reach then I'm OK with either one. JMO.
 
Frankly I wouldn't be surprised if all the QBs fall to us as this is such a weak class. The teams that need QBs, outside of us, are either in rebuild mode or have an aging QB. If they are A) they may decide to just go BPA and grab a franchise QB next year when the class is suppose to be much deeper and if they are B) then they will most likely hold off till second or third.

Only one I really see taking one is Cleveland at 12 because they have so many picks they can afford to use one to roll the dice.
 
Sigma said:
seems to me like the best QB class is always "next year"
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Compared to this year yes, pretty much everyone of these QBs would be second or third rounders any other year. We can show highlight videos and talk about leadership and mechanics and anything else but don't forget David Carr and Brock Osweiler had highlight videos to and looked just as impressive in them.

It's not just about highlights it's about full body of work and I haven't seen anything from any of them in that regards that makes me think they are less than 2-3 years away and usually you take those players in later rounds. First round is for players that will make an immediate impact, we just happen to be desperate.
 
maverick512000 said:
Compared to this year yes, pretty much everyone of these QBs would be second or third rounders any other year. We can show highlight videos and talk about leadership and mechanics and anything else but don't forget David Carr and Brock Osweiler had highlight videos to and looked just as impressive in them.

It's not just about highlights it's about full body of work and I haven't seen anything from any of them in that regards that makes me think they are less than 2-3 years away and usually you take those players in later rounds. First round is for players that will make an immediate impact, we just happen to be desperate.
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yes, but still people were saying the same thing about 2014 draft (when we had 1:1) and now there are people complaining about us not taking bridgewater/carr/garoppolo and (to a lesser extent) bortles
 
Sigma said:
yes, but still people were saying the same thing about 2014 draft (when we had 1:1) and now there are people complaining about us not taking bridgewater/carr/garoppolo and (to a lesser extent) bortles
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Some of these guys don't look much different from that class. I say take one you can work with. We at least need a Flacco if there isn't a Tom Brady.

:fingergun:
 
Sigma said:
yes, but still people were saying the same thing about 2014 draft (when we had 1:1) and now there are people complaining about us not taking bridgewater/carr/garoppolo and (to a lesser extent) bortles
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& it looks like none of those guys should have been first round picks. Derek Carr... the argument can be made.

My argument in 2014 was that none of those guys should have been taken before 15. & from what I hear (because I haven't looked at any of these guys) sounds like the same is true for 2017. @ 25, it wouldn't be the end of the world if the guy we select isn't a franchise QB. All of your "can't miss" blue chips are gone. Whoever you pick, his chance of success is probably about the same for the best QB in this class (according to what I hear).
 
Oh don't get me wrong I agree we should take a QB if one of the semi-decent ones is still there. I just hate that we are basically having to waste a first round on somebody that any other time we could get in second, third or even if we hadn't got them no big deal because it was a project anyway.
 
maverick512000 said:
Frankly I wouldn't be surprised if all the QBs fall to us as this is such a weak class. The teams that need QBs, outside of us, are either in rebuild mode or have an aging QB. If they are A) they may decide to just go BPA and grab a franchise QB next year when the class is suppose to be much deeper and if they are B) then they will most likely hold off till second or third.

Only one I really see taking one is Cleveland at 12 because they have so many picks they can afford to use one to roll the dice.
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Is it actually deeper or is there the perception that it is stronger at the top with 1-2 very strong prospects ?!

This years class is pretty "deep" in that we have 4 or more prospects people are talking about going in the first couple rounds and 2-3 more who could be round 2-3 guys. It's just missing that marquee name .... No Luck , Winston or Mariota.

Sigma said:
seems to me like the best QB class is always "next year"
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This franchise has been telling themselves that for the last decade and a half ..... Its always next year. Afraid to pull the trigger.

maverick512000 said:
Compared to this year yes, pretty much everyone of these QBs would be second or third rounders any other year. We can show highlight videos and talk about leadership and mechanics and anything else but don't forget David Carr and Brock Osweiler had highlight videos to and looked just as impressive in them.

It's not just about highlights it's about full body of work and I haven't seen anything from any of them in that regards that makes me think they are less than 2-3 years away and usually you take those players in later rounds. First round is for players that will make an immediate impact, we just happen to be desperate.
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For other positions that is generally true but QB is another animal. Most QB's don't come in and start as rookies , sure there is the occasional Luck , Manning or Roethlisberger who starts out of the gate but more often than not QB's sit for a year or two before taking over the position. Its just the nature of the beast.
Its a position that has to be developed and cultured and probably the single biggest impact a coaching staff can have on a franchise is developing the position.
 
santo said:
Some of these guys don't look much different from that class. I say take one you can work with. We at least need a Flacco if there isn't a Tom Brady.

:fingergun:
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I hope BOB is willing to go with someone other than a "Tom Brady!" It seems that's all he's been looking for in the Draft these past 3 seasons while going through a myriad of "stop-gap" FA QB's!
 
O'Brien said he thinks Smith has a great feel for not only the 2017 draft class, but players who are "coming down the pipe" in 2018 and 2019 as well, which is important even when trying to improve a team for next season.

In other words QB's in future drafts
 
JR Texan said:
O'Brien said he thinks Smith has a great feel for not only the 2017 draft class, but players who are "coming down the pipe" in 2018 and 2019 as well, which is important even when trying to improve a team for next season.

In other words QB's in future drafts
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Bill must really love Tom...

Draft one high this year and next who cares just find us a QB
 
cuppacoffee said:
My question is...would you be suprised?

:coffee:
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This would not be a good move. I like Peterman, but Webb is my fallback. I'm not in favor of taking a QB with our first pick, but if you do, both these QB's will be available at the top of the second. Trade back, gain a third, and still get your QB of choice. There will likely be two or three teams wanting to trade up. The 49ers would be ideal.
 
I can't imagine them NOT drafting a QB in the first couple of rounds. If they haven't picked one up after the 3rd round, well, there'll be gnashing of teeth, much alcoholism and drug abuse for the next season. Not to mention everyone threating to quit watching again (for the 1000th time I'm sure).

I just don't see them going past day two without picking a QB at that position. Unless, of course, there's a horrible run at QBs and everybody is reaching like mad, in which case my prediction above is still the same, only extended to next year as well.
 
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