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What Mallett brings as a (full-time) Starter

Uncle Rico said:
Funny how folks equate escapability with Randall Cunningham scrambling ability. OK with your QB being a Greek statue in the backfield? Cool, keep comparing him to Tom Brady, because you know he should be just as good cuz he was drafted high, he's only played 4 games, yada yada yada YAAAAWN.

Get smacked in the face with stats? Just ignore them, the truth hurts much more than a lie. You feel your opinion is much more valued than a person who's been in the game first hand?? WELCOME! This board is just for you! LOL

See ya'll in the 'optimistic' game thread Sunday ladies. Have fun in your circle jerk til then.
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So you're a genius and everyone else is an idiot? I guess VY is your idea of an ideal QB? :toropalm:

Keep on truckin' Mr 4 td passes in a single HS game AB jr
 
JB said:
So you're a genius and everyone else is an idiot? I guess VY is your idea of an ideal QB? :toropalm:

Keep on truckin' Mr 4 td passes in a single HS game AB jr
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Nothing ever changes with Uncle Rico. Same ol' same ol'. He never wants to hear a rational explanation for what he sees. He just wants to tell everyone how wrong they are and how right he is.

At least if Mallett does improve Uncle Rico will just move on to the next thing he knows more about than you, me, or the entire Texans front office. Silver lining I guess.
 
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bah007 said:
I certainly agree that he should be the guy for at least the rest of this season. I have seen improvement in just the last two weeks. And I do think he does just fine managing the offense and making the right decisions.

I'm not saying throw in the towel on the guy. He deserves more time. I just see a lot of posts the last few weeks complaining about the OL, the RBs, and the WRs, but Mallett gets a free pass for his struggles with ball placement. And at least some of the time, his poor throws are what are making the other guys look bad (this is also working in the opposite way when WRs are dropping perfectly catchable balls).
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I certainly see what your point is, and it is not in the least off base. But if the OL and his RBs and his WRs would have been doing a better job in concert all along, he would have looked to be a much better QB, and his deficiencies through his improvement period would have been less glaring and more easily forgiven.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I certainly see what your point is, and it is not in the least off base. But if the OL and his RBs and his WRs would have been doing a better job in concert all along, he would have looked to be a much better QB, and his deficiencies through his improvement period would have been less glaring and more easily forgiven.
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The RB's are JAG's who aren't explosive. Mallett will look much better with a healthy Foster in the backfield. (Who knows how long Foster will stay healthy, or when he makes it back fro his latest injury) The OL will be fine when Brown makes it back and Aboushi was a huge pickup. If XSF can make it back and show the improvement that BOB seemed to think he was going to make this season then the Texans will have something they have been lacking for a long time. (Depth on the OL.)
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I certainly see what your point is, and it is not in the least off base. But if the OL and his RBs and his WRs would have been doing a better job in concert all along, he would have looked to be a much better QB, and his deficiencies through his improvement period would have been less glaring and more easily forgiven.
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Not having any consistent time with them in preseason was huge re this also
 
infantrycak said:
For whatever reason, none of the other RBs knows what a cutback is. If Foster isn't in the game the D only has to protect the front side of the play. You'd think they would have watched enough film of Foster to realize there's a backside too...and there's less people there trying to cover more turf.
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That's probably why it looked to me that the Texans were running a power scheme.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
That's probably why it looked to me that the Texans were running a power scheme.
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Exactly the RB's have some of the worst vision I've seen in a long time. Grimes has avg vision and he looks like an all star in that aspect of the game compared to Blue and especially Polk.
 
infantrycak said:
Well if that number is correct his season % goes from 53.6 to 62.7.
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If we subtract back out the USUAL number of drops, I think we're still at about 60% completion rate which is near average. Isn't that what many have been asking for? Or is simply being a Texan QB somehow proof that he'll never be good? That's the gist of many posts it seems. We want what we can't have. Another team's QB and as soon as they become a Texan, they aren't another teams QB anymore.
 
powda said:
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Sorry. Saw it in the other thread and seemed appropriate here.
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FYI, this damn thing showed up in a nightmare I had last night and now this **** is officially not funny anymore.
 
infantrycak said:
For whatever reason, none of the other RBs knows what a cutback is. If Foster isn't in the game the D only has to protect the front side of the play. You'd think they would have watched enough film of Foster to realize there's a backside too...and there's less people there trying to cover more turf.
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That's for darn sure. I saw a pic that John Harris posted some where showing Blue running with a cutback lane the size of I-10. What did he do? Ran straight into the mosh-pit of linemen in the trenches.

Blue is the definition of "yards left on the field".
 
infantrycak said:
Stopped reading after the 1st sentence was nonsense. We have 4 games 1 injured.

Seriously, did you have a straight face when you typed that?
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Of course not. I was listening to the Bang Radio Hour while I typed that up and those dudes always get me rolling. But I like your tone there so I'm gonna borrow it.

Seriously? Is that what you're gonna do with a straight face? Just rip the shirt and go around the ring cupping your hand to your ears for pops ala Hogan?

Hervoyel said:
I don't know if I'd call it a "free pass". I think it's more that people expected Mallett to struggle almost like a rookie QB and so they're accepting his mistakes as part of the process by which he gets better (presumably). Complaints about the OL are mostly about how bad our scrubs are playing in the place of guys who are hurt. Nobody wanted or expected to be getting the injury bug's junk rubbed in their face this year (nobody ever does) so that's where those complaints are coming from. Our RB complaints are similar (No Foster leaves Blue & scrubs to try and make a running game appear). WR complaints? They've been dropping passes like crazy. That's a legit complaint.
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This is my opposing view because I do feel like people are giving Mallett a free pass, and believe me I wanted Mallett more than Hoyer. Still do. There are people, however, who are treating Mallett as if he should be struggling like a rookie all because his number of starts. I completely object to that.

Think about it like this... Quarterback A and Quarterback B enter the season as virtual unknowns. Quarterback A, however, has been in the league for four years. Quarterback A has also been on his current team for an entire year more than Quarterback B. These two quarterbacks have now both played a minimum of 8 quarters as a starter for their respective teams. Given that edge in preparation Quarterback A has, do you think Quarterback B should be looking significantly better?

Well, he does. Quarterback A is Mallett and Quarterback B is Mariota.

"WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT YOU IDIOT?! HOW DARE YOU COMPARE RYAN MALLETT TO A ROOKIE EVEN THOUGH WE'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO TREAT HIM AS A ROOKIE! YOU CAN'T COMPARE A SECOND OVERALL PICK TO A CAREER BACKUP DRAFTED IN THE THIRD ROUND! GET OUT OF HERE WITH YOUR WILD CLAIMS YOU FOOL!"​

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Get over yourself.

Mariota looks like the real deal and I think he is going to be a very good NFL quarterback. Not sure about elite, but we're seeing flashes of potential with him. Do I expect Mallett to be Mariota in the long run? Absolutely not. But no way should Mallett be looking significantly worse than Mariota with such a massive edge in league-wide experience. Mallett entered the NFL before Mariota even threw his first pass for Oregon.

The two of them even have a common opponent under their belts this early in the season in the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. It would be far too easy (and honestly poor analysis) to look at the number of touchdown passes. But two stats that were telling for me are completion percentage and Yards Per Attempt. Mariota bested Mallett in both those areas: 81.3% to 61.5% completion percentage and 13.1 to 5.8 yards to pass attempt. Oh, and Mariota did that on his first start in this league on the road. Mallett had the luxury of getting the Bucs on his second start at home and still struggled.

If you think it's unfair to compare Mariota and Mallett, then fine. Let's compare him to the guy actually struggling like a rookie right now and that is Winston. Same scenario as above with Quarterback A and Quarterback B. Should Quarterback A look every bit as terrible as Quarterback B? Absolutely not and to do so is frankly inexcusable. One guy is still an NFL veteran regardless of how people try to spin it.

Again, Mariota is of a different pedigree. Do I think Mallett will not or ever reach that level? It's not likely. But do I think at this point in time he should maybe be Andy Dalton? How about Nick Foles? Kirk Cousins? Yeah, I do. I don't see why that's such a major stretch, but apparently that's "nonsense" to some folks like Cak. :ahhaha:

To anyone who thinks Mallett is going to show noticeable improvement over the course of the next few months, I'd like to see where the expectations are. Someone here said they'd like to see if he can reach the Eli-Tannehill-Flacco level (nytexan). Given what we've seen, I don't think that's going to happen. If you think they will be improvement then I'd like to try and exercise: Name me six starting quarterbacks you'd feel certain we'll be saying by the end of the year "I'd rather have Ryan Mallett over ______." (excluding injuries)

Because I'm struggling to name six.

powda said:
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Jesus.
 
Hopefully we see something to build on this week against the Falcons out of Mallett. That's all I have left to say about this right now.

Mariota looked great in week one against the Bucs. Not going to deny it or say that I haven't wanted to see better out of Mallett so far (but haven't yet). I can't change QB's at this point because I'm not the coach or the GM or the owner and even if I was one of those guys it's week four of the season so we're going to go with Mallett for 2015 and pray that we don't have to go back to Hoyer.

Hope it works out. If it doesn't we try again next year with somebody else. We can piss and moan and cry and complain all we want about it but it's out of our hands.

powda said:
That damn picture
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I'm going to have to put you on ignore at the rate you're going man.
 
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powda said:
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Yeah, that's pretty much how I feel when I see that thing. Last night that little bastard was chasing me for hours. No reason why. Zero context. I think the take out Chinese food I had didn't get along with my blood pressure medicine and they got together to conjure up the last thing I saw before shutting the computer down for the night.
 
BetaV1 said:
This is my opposing view because I do feel like people are giving Mallett a free pass, and believe me I wanted Mallett more than Hoyer. Still do. There are people, however, who are treating Mallett as if he should be struggling like a rookie all because his number of starts. I completely object to that.

Think about it like this... Quarterback A and Quarterback B enter the season as virtual unknowns. Quarterback A, however, has been in the league for four years. Quarterback A has also been on his current team for an entire year more than Quarterback B. These two quarterbacks have now both played a minimum of 8 quarters as a starter for their respective teams. Given that edge in preparation Quarterback A has, do you think Quarterback B should be looking significantly better?

Well, he does. Quarterback A is Mallett and Quarterback B is Mariota.
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I think there are a lot of things you aren't taking into consideration. #1, Marcus Mariota has been being prepared for the starting position shortly after he was drafted. The Titans have been designing their offense around what Mariota does well & compensating for what he doesn't do well.

Also I think your perception of "significantly better" & "struggling" are different from most. Not just as it pertains to Mallett/Mariota, but also Mariota/Winston. I look at both of those guys & I feel they will both be good QBs in the long run. Mariota is having more success. People catching his balls run after the catch & get into the end zone. People Mallett & Winston are throwing the ball to drop them. That's not all the difference. My only point here is I think you're including some of the success of the people around him as to how well you think Mariota is doing.

Like many, I don't think we're giving Mallett a pass because we believe it's going to take time to get acclimated to the speed of an actual NFL game. I agree with you in that it shouldn't take as long for Mallett to get up to speed as a rookie QB. But it's going to take time.

I think of it like riding a bike. Some people are thrown on the bike & told to go. They'll struggle, but eventually will learn how to ride that bike. Some people are afforded training wheels. When those wheels come off, they'll still struggle. But they'll get the hang of it quicker than most people who learned without training wheels. Then there are those naturals who'll get up to speed as fast if not faster than the ones who utilized training wheels.

So far, Mariota looks like one of those naturals who didn't need training wheels. We'll see how well that holds up (not that I don't think it will).


BetaV1 said:
Mariota looks like the real deal and I think he is going to be a very good NFL quarterback. Not sure about elite, but we're seeing flashes of potential with him. Do I expect Mallett to be Mariota in the long run? Absolutely not. But no way should Mallett be looking significantly worse than Mariota with such a massive edge in league-wide experience. Mallett entered the NFL before Mariota even threw his first pass for Oregon.
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I'd agree with you if Mallett ever took a snap in a regular season game, outside the 4 starts we're talking about.

There are more examples of guys starting like Mallett, in similar situations, doing about as well as Mallett... Aaron Rodgers for example. Check out the game log from his "rookie" season.


BetaV1 said:
The two of them even have a common opponent under their belts this early in the season in the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. It would be far too easy (and honestly poor analysis) to look at the number of touchdown passes. But two stats that were telling for me are completion percentage and Yards Per Attempt. Mariota bested Mallett in both those areas: 81.3% to 61.5% completion percentage and 13.1 to 5.8 yards to pass attempt. Oh, and Mariota did that on his first start in this league on the road. Mallett had the luxury of getting the Bucs on his second start at home and still struggled.
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Mariota threw the ball 16 times. Mallett threw the ball 39 times. There's a lot more going on in that one game than their completion percentage & ypa. I also don't think Mallett struggled.




BetaV1 said:
If you think it's unfair to compare Mariota and Mallett, then fine. Let's compare him to the guy actually struggling like a rookie right now and that is Winston. Same scenario as above with Quarterback A and Quarterback B. Should Quarterback A look every bit as terrible as Quarterback B? Absolutely not and to do so is frankly inexcusable. One guy is still an NFL veteran regardless of how people try to spin it.
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Again, I thought Mallett looked better than Winston. I thought Winston looked good despite his troubles, he wasn't "lost" he wasn't "scared" or "indecisive" he just had a bad day & I expect him to have better days in the future.

BetaV1 said:
Again, Mariota is of a different pedigree. Do I think Mallett will not or ever reach that level? It's not likely. But do I think at this point in time he should maybe be Andy Dalton? How about Nick Foles? Kirk Cousins? Yeah, I do. I don't see why that's such a major stretch, but apparently that's "nonsense" to some folks like Cak. :ahhaha:
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I think Dalton, Foles, & Cousins are still writing their story. I don't think any of them are what they are yet.

BetaV1 said:
To anyone who thinks Mallett is going to show noticeable improvement over the course of the next few months, I'd like to see where the expectations are. Someone here said they'd like to see if he can reach the Eli-Tannehill-Flacco level (nytexan). Given what we've seen, I don't think that's going to happen. If you think they will be improvement then I'd like to try and exercise: Name me six starting quarterbacks you'd feel certain we'll be saying by the end of the year "I'd rather have Ryan Mallett over ______." (excluding injuries)

Because I'm struggling to name six.



Jesus.
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Fitzpatrick
Cutler
Smith, Alex
Tannehill
Stafford
Winston
Mariota
Bortles

I don't think Mallett will be the answer. I'm not even hoping he will be. I just want him to help us win games while we look for the answer.
 
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This game log thing is cool.

The REAL comparison is Matt Schaub

http://www.nfl.com/player/mattschaub/2505982/gamelogs?season=2007

Mar iota may be more in the Andrew luck category.

Mallett should be compared to schaub. Their circumstances are extremely similar. The issue with Mallett is o'Brien didn't handle his acquisition right. If the fans were managed right we would be having a much different discussion also. Remember schaub had aj and od. Mallett has...crickets.
 
Texan_fan_13 said:
This game log thing is cool.

The REAL comparison is Matt Schaub

http://www.nfl.com/player/mattschaub/2505982/gamelogs?season=2007

Mar iota may be more in the Andrew luck category.

Mallett should be compared to schaub. Their circumstances are extremely similar. The issue with Mallett is o'Brien didn't handle his acquisition right. If the fans were managed right we would be having a much different discussion. Remember schaub had aj and od. Mallett has...crickets.
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I don't mind comparing him to Schaub, but Schaub actually got.to play in regular season games while backing up Vick in Atlanta. He even started a couple.

So we we're seeing Matt Schaub in a role he prepared for since OTAs with four games under his belt. Mallett has four games behind him now. & he's been preparing as the starter for three weeks.
 
Yeah that's on bill o'brien. I think he has completely mismanage this mallet situation.

I believe that Mallett is our franchise quarterback if we would just pull our heads out and handle him right. We need to stop the competitions stop all the nonsense and just let him be who he is and see where the road leads.
 
i hope mallett doesn't forget we have tight ends on this team again on sunday. the TE should be targeted once per quarter at the very least.
 
brg88tx said:
i hope mallett doesn't forget we have tight ends on this team again on sunday. the TE should be targeted once per quarter at the very least.
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I hope when te's do actually run routes they're a potential target. However, i hope while we have a make shift injury riddled ol we use them as potential blockers so that Mallett remains among the living.
 
Sonny said:
Uhm.. hey, haters.. check this out.

<<<< you see that?

Wait.. again...

<<<<< you see it?

Yes, that is exactly how many fuxks we give about your shitty hateful opinion and demeanor.
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I think you need to provide a bigger picture before they can take you seriously. HD if possible.
 
I'd like to but it didn't transfer well from my old phone to my new Note5.

I'll try to find her online.
 
What's your email, Cak.. I found a better version in my files but can't seem to post it.
I can email it.
 
Nice..
Yup.. that's her and it did come from deepfriedsports.com which has since gone away, but I'd imagine she was just wearing all white/sans tattoo and several different teams/logos were shopped in.
 
Hopefully today, we'll see a real game plan, a multiple game plan designed for our players to exploit their weaknesses & not a game plan to try to protect our QB, or hide our weaknesses.
 
Ass on Imgur displays quite a collection.
I don't Facebook but I'm sure there's must be impressive as well.

Imgur is basically the picture storage site (with a little 3xtra) for Reddit soooo..
 
When you have prototypical size and the strongest arm in the league but you throw more balls than strikes you won't be a starter long.
 
New theory:

OB knew that Fitz was barely competent enough to consistently get us to the wasteland that is 8-8.

So he brought in Hoyer and Mallett so that we could "unintentionally" tank and pick up Jared Goff in the draft.

So far so good. :doot:
 
I think I have seen enough to say for sure, and I don't give a damn how many of you are too blind to see it - Case Keenum is a better QB than either Mallett or Hoyer.
 
eriadoc said:
I think I have seen enough to say for sure, and I don't give a damn how many of you are too blind to see it - Case Keenum is a better QB than either Mallett or Hoyer.
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I was basically blacklisted in this area of the forum for daring to have a negative opinion of Mallett before we were able to "see what he can do". So I spent most of my time this offseason in the NFL & Draft forums where I belong. My opinion of him was based entirely on my scouting report of him in college.

Everyone should see what I see at this point.

I still don't have a problem with him finishing out the season. But let's be honest with ourselves about what he is and stop this stupid "potential" crap.
 
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