That's awesome. It's great to get the perspective of an expert in suck on such matters. His 9–22 NFL record obviously qualifies him for the position.
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That's awesome. It's great to get the perspective of an expert in suck on such matters. His 9–22 NFL record obviously qualifies him for the position.
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speedfreek
All Pro
Unfortunately, I don't think 1993 Warren Moon could fix the train-wreck we are
calling an offense..
calling an offense..
I have no doubt that Warren Moon could make this offense successful during the regular season.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Could there have been a worse pairing of QB's to split time?
Hoyer, slow processing, waits to throw until the receiver has made his break and then delivers that bizarre Bugs Bunny slow pitch vs. Mallett, quick decision, ball is on the way before the receiver breaks and it's coming in on a rope.
I agree. I think we'll see a better offensive showing as Mallett gets more settled in. I'm seeing progress every week.
bah007
Hall of Fame
I agree with this post 100%. You either only take players that fit your system or you tailor the system to the players you have.
But, I would say that Mallett has done a decent Tom Brady impersonation so far. This offense is based on the ability to diagnose a defense pre-snap, and then use that information to quickly make the right decisions with the ball. I think Mallett has done very well with that so far.
His issues have been accuracy, ball placement, and touch. I think he mentally fits the system just fine. For a guy with his physical traits, it's a little bit ironic that his physical skill set will be what determines whether he sticks or not. It won't matter how far he can throw the ball if he can't put it where it's supposed to go. That goes for any offensive philosophy.
GoCoogs
Waterboy
I agree, he has a strong knowledge of the mental aspects of the system.
He just has some different physical tools than Brady, which O'Brien might be able to maximize to help make him more successful early on in his career as a starter.
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CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Sorry. Wrong thread.
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Hervoyel
BUENO!
While I'm inclined to agree I feel it's my duty to say here that Ed Biles is a hell of a nice guy and quite knowledgeable. It's heavily slanted toward defense admittedly.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
So what you guys are saying is that if Mallet did a shitload of squats. worked on explosive, fast twitch muscle drills, repeatedly every day during the offseason. Lost a few pounds, that he wouldnt build any escapability? He's 26. Not 46. Keep making excuses for him. Alot of you are so thirsty that you'll take any mirage and make it your own oasis. He's got some skills to build on, but if he isnt going to bust his ass trying to actually get better, and only talk about it then he'll just be another guy.
Did someone really discredit the opinion of an NFL coach, and try to use his record as some kind of flaw? LOL this board never ceases to amaze.
Did someone really discredit the opinion of an NFL coach, and try to use his record as some kind of flaw? LOL this board never ceases to amaze.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
Yeah, lol.
Worked for Scramblin' Tom Brady. (1.7 ypc career)
He's 27, not 26. And he'll be 28 at the start of next season. An athlete physically peaks at about 26. Entropy after that.
It's not a matter of making any excuses one way or another for him. Speed is never going to be a box he checks. It's just reality. There are far more pressing and applicable things he can spend time busting his ass on. He needs to worry about the escapability of the football.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
What I'm saying is big whoop if he goes from 5.3 to 5.2. I'd rather have him in the film room.
And this:
Makes me think you are just throwing out a useless hurdle with this precise response in mind when you suggested it.
Hey maybe he should spend some time in gravity boots and see if he can get to 6'8".
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
I disagree. I know men in their 50's who've gotten in the best shape of their lives. you are making it seem like its an impossibility. I question that, and will continue to cringe anytime the heat is on and he balls up "Schaublike" in the backfield.
I'm sure your 50 year old friends were competing against professional athletes.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
I was being serious when i suggested training at increasing some foot speed, but I was blind to see that when a man hits the ripe old age of 28 that he was on the downslope of his athletic abilities, especially given the advances in the sports fitness arena nowadays. I'll just continue to golf clap everytime he throws it out of bounds with the rest of yall.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
And if you look at young fresh legs Scramblin" Tom during his first full year as a starter in the League...........1.2 ypc.
Mallet as a comparison so far is a rabbit at 3.7 ypc.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I have no doubt he might pick up a little speed. The age thing is inconsequential. We aren't talking someone who has trained since being a teen in the same discipline and when he will peak. I just don't think the potential speed increase is worth the time and effort - the gain will be marginal. Especially right now film study and wearing his receivers hands out with extra practice will pay far bigger benefits.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^
Reading comprehension is FUNdamental.
I did not discredit his opinion, but rather deferred to him as an expert on suck. He knows it when he sees it.
I find it funny that you believe being an NFL coach qualifies someone to be an expert at everything, like they have never made mistakes. Keep drinking that guyana punch, boy.
p.s. Brian Billick spoke highly of Ryan Mallett. Guess what? He was an NFL head coach, too, so his opinion obviously means a LOT to you.
TejasTom
All Pro
I'd rather him spend time on his footwork, setting his feet, etc.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I'm going with this. I'd rather have him spending his time trying to get better at what the Texans actually expect of him over adding "Crazy Legs" to his name and trying to get himself up over 4 yards per carry. We got Foster & Blue for that business.
With Mallett on the injury list, I'd rather see a lot more wear and tear on the remote in film study than on his receivers hands. Mallett and the receivers can use that time to get on the same page and they can see the same thing he sees.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
At ~40 pounds heavier, Mallet ran the 40 faster than Brady, who to this day still holds the slowest NFL 40 for a QB. Brady over his years may have refined his pocket moves, but he never trained himself into a gazelle.
LOOK: Tom Brady was really, really bad at the NFL combine in 2000
By John Breech | CBSSports.com
February 15, 2015 4:02 pm ET
Tom Brady didn't exactly look like a star after the 2000 NFL combine. (NFL)
The NFL combine kicks off this week in Indianapolis.
Some players will see their draft stock shoot up after the combine, some will see their draft stock fall, but whatever happens, there's a good chance no one will match Tom Brady's legendary NFL combine of 2000 -- and keep in mind, it's only legendary for how bad it was.
The NFL decided to release some of Brady's combine footage this week, which means we can now relive some of Brady's "greatest" moments, like his 5.28-second 40-yard dash.
Fifteen years later, Brady's 40 time still stands as the slowest among active NFL starting quarterbacks -- and it's really not even close. Philip Rivers, who's not exactly known for his blazing speed, ran 5.08 in 2004. Even Nick Foles managed to top Brady, running a 5.03 in 2012.
Brady also struggled with his vertical jump at the combine. The former Michigan quarterback only got 24½ inches in the air. To put that in perspective, Raiders quarterback Derek Carr had a 34½-inch jump at the 2014 combine.
Of course, 40 times and vertical jumping ability have absolutely nothing to do with someone's ability to play quarterback, as Brady has proved many, many, many, many times over.
To check out the footage from Brady's workout, head over to the NFL's YouTube channel here.
Finally, if someone struggles at the combine this week, be sure not to write them off because they could go on to marry a supermodel and win four Super Bowls, like the guy below.
I'm pretty sure he's been all up in gazelle
We have enough of a sample size of what Ryan Mallett is and that is a far below average quarterback. He's not going to go into the weight room, do some squats, and emerge as Cam Newton because, well, that would be awkward... Nor is he going to go watch film and suddenly have a eureka moment and steps onto the practice field hitting Hopkins with 80 yard bombs while "Eye of the Tiger" is playing in the background.
Ryan Mallett isn't a rookie in the NFL. I think some people have this overly optomistic belief that more time as a starter or "in the system" is going to fix his problems or eventually lead to the offense getting going. It's not.
Remember it really wasn't so long ago that NFL teams drafted a quarterback and had him ride the bench for a year or two before he would start? This was done so those issues would be fixed by the time said quarterback took the field. If a quarterback sits for that long while watching and learning (from arguably the best quarterback that's ever played) and still can't get it going, then that's a clear tell that he simply doesn't have it.
I love the analytics that's encompassing sports right now because it really helps put what we think we see on the field into what we're really seeing. If you hate the numbers, sorry, don't care. Football Outsiders uses DVOA as a key measurement. To quote them directly,
Translation: How good is a quarterback per play. I personally side with it much more than QBR, which is quarterback rating.
Get to the point.
Okay.
Ryan Mallett's DVOA is -23.1%. Only 4 other quarterbacks with 45 pass attempts or more have a lower DVOA than Mallett: Luck, Winston, Alex Smith, and Kaepernick. I think we'd all agree that Luck is going to get better because we've got a large enough sample size on Luck to tell us so. Kaepernick and Smith likely will not because, again, we have a large enough sample size to tell us so. That leaves Winston and Mallett as the two "unknowns."
But to bring this back up to my originial point, Mallett isn't really an unknown. Winston could improve because his NFL career is young. All of this is new to him. Mallett on the other hand has already spent years "watching film" and drinking protein shakes.
And he's still one of the worst quarterbacks in the league. For the record, Hoyer was worse with a DVOA of -40.5% (2nd worst of all quarterbacks who have thrown a pass this year...)
The only reason Alex Smith is still a starting quarterback in the league is because he is really accurate when it comes to throwing the ball five feet to his right. Alex Smith's completition percentage is 63.3%. Winston is the only current starting QB less accurate than Mallett.
(Speaking of the Chiefs, that should put into perspectve how good that team is when they're able to win most of their games with THAT as their quarterback. That team is a superbowl squad if you simply replace Alex Smith with practically any other starting quarterback from 3/4's of the league.)
They'll be no improvement here with Mallett. He is what he is.
Ryan Mallett isn't a rookie in the NFL. I think some people have this overly optomistic belief that more time as a starter or "in the system" is going to fix his problems or eventually lead to the offense getting going. It's not.
Remember it really wasn't so long ago that NFL teams drafted a quarterback and had him ride the bench for a year or two before he would start? This was done so those issues would be fixed by the time said quarterback took the field. If a quarterback sits for that long while watching and learning (from arguably the best quarterback that's ever played) and still can't get it going, then that's a clear tell that he simply doesn't have it.
I love the analytics that's encompassing sports right now because it really helps put what we think we see on the field into what we're really seeing. If you hate the numbers, sorry, don't care. Football Outsiders uses DVOA as a key measurement. To quote them directly,
Football Outsiders said:
Translation: How good is a quarterback per play. I personally side with it much more than QBR, which is quarterback rating.
Get to the point.
Okay.
Ryan Mallett's DVOA is -23.1%. Only 4 other quarterbacks with 45 pass attempts or more have a lower DVOA than Mallett: Luck, Winston, Alex Smith, and Kaepernick. I think we'd all agree that Luck is going to get better because we've got a large enough sample size on Luck to tell us so. Kaepernick and Smith likely will not because, again, we have a large enough sample size to tell us so. That leaves Winston and Mallett as the two "unknowns."
But to bring this back up to my originial point, Mallett isn't really an unknown. Winston could improve because his NFL career is young. All of this is new to him. Mallett on the other hand has already spent years "watching film" and drinking protein shakes.
And he's still one of the worst quarterbacks in the league. For the record, Hoyer was worse with a DVOA of -40.5% (2nd worst of all quarterbacks who have thrown a pass this year...)
The only reason Alex Smith is still a starting quarterback in the league is because he is really accurate when it comes to throwing the ball five feet to his right. Alex Smith's completition percentage is 63.3%. Winston is the only current starting QB less accurate than Mallett.
(Speaking of the Chiefs, that should put into perspectve how good that team is when they're able to win most of their games with THAT as their quarterback. That team is a superbowl squad if you simply replace Alex Smith with practically any other starting quarterback from 3/4's of the league.)
They'll be no improvement here with Mallett. He is what he is.
I like that you're equating watching film and drinking protein shakes to playing in NFL games.
It was clearly meant to be tongue in cheek, but if you think I was being super serious about that then hopefully those shakes are made with whatever QB pixie dust some think exists within NFL locker rooms.
So you're whole point about him being prepared to play football by watching football was tongue in cheeck, ok gotcha.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Stopped reading after the 1st sentence was nonsense. We have 4 games 1 injured.
Seriously, did you have a straight face when you typed that?
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
Did you miss the discussion about anticipation, or just ignoring it?
What ceases to amaze me is people who do not understand muscle memory. People who do not understand that if a player changes his body, it is going to effect every other part of his game. Perhaps doc could explain to you that one you get injured and your body starts compensating, often times it causes other injuries, or builds in bad habits. The same would be true if Mallett tried to turn himself into Vick. He would need to relearn how to do everything because his lower extremities has changed.
What is it with you and QB escapability? I don't want my QB running around. I want him with a good pocket and a solid platform from which to launch his attack. I would rather take the sack on occasion realizing you can't win every play, than risk the health of the most important player on my team trying to run around. If that is the type of football you like to watch, why not watch a team that features that kind of QB? Why keeping trying to fit a square peg into a round hole?
I agree with the others. His time is better spent in the film room, and with the WR's trying to get on the same page. The best QB's of all time are pocket passers. Guys like Rodgers are a rare breed, so why chase after a unicorn when you can catch a horse and train him to do what is required? Mallett slides around in the pocket just like Brady does, and I am fine with that.
How about instead of thinking it is us trying to turn a mirage into our own oasis, consider it might be you who needs to be more realistic? Maybe one day the NFL will be filled with agile running QB's when the rules forbids other players from touching them. Until then, mobile QB's will provide ohhhs, and ahhhhh's on occasion, and pocket passers will keep winning the super bowl the majority of the time.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Mallett has been sacked three times this season in 2+ games. One was for a 1 yard loss. Another was a standing sack because the DE grabbed him around Newton.
Mallett hasn't been balling up "Schaublike" under pressure at any point this season, so not sure what you are cringing at.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
I won't argue with anything other than your opinion of whether we have a sufficient sample size to evaluate Mallett yet. I need 16 games and at least 8 games in a row as a minimum sample size. Before that, all we have is inexperienced, not incapable.
bah007
Hall of Fame
I know what you're referencing but I don't think I need to mention it in every post about Mallett. I'm not even sure what your comment has to do with what I said. Overall, my post was very complimentary of him.
Can you help me understand the issue concerning accuracy? I'm hearing it a lot & I don't know if it's a buzz word, or if I'm not seeing something correctly. He's inexperienced, he throws a lot of balls away. He also appears to be ultra conservative about throwing balls to protect his receiver & make "safe" throws (which I agree with the ball placement concerns). But with that in mind, he's had 66.7, 46.7, 61.5, 46.6, & 61.5 completion percentage.
I'm not seeing an abnormally large number of acrobatic catches, so considering we all agree he needs to improve on ball placement... how bad is this "accuracy" concern?
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
No, but I'm sure Gisele has trained him.....har har
nytexan
Waterboy
I wonder what his percentages would be if you added the 10+ drops he's had the past 2 games. No he's not going to make anyone think Montana but I'm willing to give him the rest of this year to see if he can get in the Flacco-Eli-Tannehill category. Not great but good enough.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
Sorry, didn't mean it in a hostile way.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Well if that number is correct his season % goes from 53.6 to 62.7.
bah007
Hall of Fame
I don't mean accuracy in the sense of how high his completion percentage is. His percentage should actually be really high, because almost everything he's thrown so far has been short. It's not, and that is affected by the drops. But there's more than that.
I do agree that if a receiver gets both hands on a ball he should pull it in. But Mallett has put a ton of passes in places that are not easy to grab, especially when you consider that the receiver doesn't get a lot of time to react because Mallett throws the ball so hard. Most people on here are absolving Mallett of blame for those passes and putting it all on the receiver, but it's really equal. A pro WR should be able to reach down and grab a low throw, but a pro QB should also be able to get him the ball above his shoelaces. Some of the drops are pure drops. No doubt. But a lot of the other ones are due to terrible placement of the ball by the QB.
And I keep seeing the excuse that he is throwing low to help the receiver. Sometimes that is true. But he also has a ton of low throws in situations that don't call for it. And yet he is still held blameless for the incompletion. I guess what I really mean is that he lacks precision, not accuracy. He does get the ball to his guy in a spot where he has a chance to catch it. But he doesn't put it in the best spot to catch it. And it doesn't appear intentional to me either. He's missing low consistently.
I'm not sure what the issue is. Maybe he's gripping the ball too hard. Maybe he's overthrowing, which makes the ball come out low. Maybe he feels like he has to aim low because his release point is higher than where the ball needs to be placed. I don't know. There have been some awful drops on catchable balls. I'm not disputing that. But I think Mallett is equally to blame for a majority of them. And I think either most of the posters here don't see that or they're just choosing to ignore it.
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infantrycak
Hall of Fame
There is more to it, but completion % is one metric. As Lucky pointed out during the Hoyer v. Mallett saga, if 55% Hoyer is being described ed as accurate those are some butter fingered receivers.
And also, the short pass thing only matters so much. No matter how dink and dunk even the very best have eked out 70% a handful of times.
No doubt we have been missing on all cylinders so far.
It's a mixed bag. He certainly throws some low deliberately but even where it is intentional I think last week many came out lower than intended.
But specific to last week it looked like a guy working on something coach said and over doing it. In the past including the week before he was criticized for throwing too high. Against TB I think he had "keep it down" running thru his head. So yes mistakes, but 'working on it' issues which we'll see if he grows out of or not. Regardless of how many years he has ridden the pine, every QB is a work in progress for a while in live games.
No technically accurate is correct.
He needs to improve but the flipside is it shouldn't be judged by some mythical standard of accuracy either (not you) no QB achieves. WRs wouldn't have any highlights if QBs all made perfect throws. This thing needs to play out for the rest of the year.
bah007
Hall of Fame
I certainly agree that he should be the guy for at least the rest of this season. I have seen improvement in just the last two weeks. And I do think he does just fine managing the offense and making the right decisions.
I'm not saying throw in the towel on the guy. He deserves more time. I just see a lot of posts the last few weeks complaining about the OL, the RBs, and the WRs, but Mallett gets a free pass for his struggles with ball placement. And at least some of the time, his poor throws are what are making the other guys look bad (this is also working in the opposite way when WRs are dropping perfectly catchable balls).
I'm not saying throw in the towel on the guy. He deserves more time. I just see a lot of posts the last few weeks complaining about the OL, the RBs, and the WRs, but Mallett gets a free pass for his struggles with ball placement. And at least some of the time, his poor throws are what are making the other guys look bad (this is also working in the opposite way when WRs are dropping perfectly catchable balls).
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I don't know if I'd call it a "free pass". I think it's more that people expected Mallett to struggle almost like a rookie QB and so they're accepting his mistakes as part of the process by which he gets better (presumably). Complaints about the OL are mostly about how bad our scrubs are playing in the place of guys who are hurt. Nobody wanted or expected to be getting the injury bug's junk rubbed in their face this year (nobody ever does) so that's where those complaints are coming from. Our RB complaints are similar (No Foster leaves Blue & scrubs to try and make a running game appear). WR complaints? They've been dropping passes like crazy. That's a legit complaint.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Funny how folks equate escapability with Randall Cunningham scrambling ability. OK with your QB being a Greek statue in the backfield? Cool, keep comparing him to Tom Brady, because you know he should be just as good cuz he was drafted high, he's only played 4 games, yada yada yada YAAAAWN.
Get smacked in the face with stats? Just ignore them, the truth hurts much more than a lie. You feel your opinion is much more valued than a person who's been in the game first hand?? WELCOME! This board is just for you! LOL
See ya'll in the 'optimistic' game thread Sunday ladies. Have fun in your circle jerk til then.
Get smacked in the face with stats? Just ignore them, the truth hurts much more than a lie. You feel your opinion is much more valued than a person who's been in the game first hand?? WELCOME! This board is just for you! LOL
See ya'll in the 'optimistic' game thread Sunday ladies. Have fun in your circle jerk til then.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
I won't be able to sleep for weeks.