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What is Watson's value in a trade?

steelbtexan

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Not long ago in response to your question again I laid out my position on Watson. Not going to do it again. I do not wait until my pantry is empty before I start looking at offers to fill it.

You are correct in that some want Watson punished before he is found guilty of anything. You think not only that people should think as you do but you belittle them if they don't. You have been told that by many over the years.

Justice can be served once it is known what that is. A trade can be done before that is known then accomplished.
Who have I belittled? Disagreement in debate is not belittling somebody.

Obviously we have different core values and there's nothing wrong with this.

I'm looking forward to justice being served and I understand that the justice system moves very slowly and at it's own pace. Not the pace that the NFL or we want for that matter.

Going to the belittled card. Smdh
 

steelbtexan

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same thing I said
Because they don't want him representing the Texans org. It's really simple and it should make you question things because I'm fairly certain that the Texans org knows more about what is going on in these cases more than the media, fans, TT members etc....

But I'm sure it won't.
 

leebigeztx

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Because they don't want him representing the Texans org. It's really simple and it should make you question things because I'm fairly certain that the Texans org knows more about what is going on in these cases more than the media, fans, TT members etc....

But I'm sure it won't.
Because they don't want him representing the Texans org. It's really simple and it should make you question things because I'm fairly certain that the Texans org knows more about what is going on in these cases more than the media, fans, TT members etc....

But I'm sure it won't.
Funny you say that, then backdoor with your opinion and try to pass it off as you know know whats going on. You dont have a clue, just as everyone on this board. They don't give 2 rips about your season tickets. Know how I know? They're not asking for your thoughts. If Watson went in and said I want to play for the Texans, Taylor would go to the bench instantly and the organization would deal with the temporary backlash like all the other organizations do.
 

steelbtexan

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Funny you say that, then backdoor with your opinion and try to pass it off as you know know whats going on. You dont have a clue, just as everyone on this board. They don't give 2 rips about your season tickets. Know how I know? They're not asking for your thoughts. If Watson went in and said I want to play for the Texans, Taylor would go to the bench instantly and the organization would deal with the temporary backlash like all the other organizations do.
I never said I have a clue.

What I said was the Texans org has a clue. That is my opinion and is most likely the case. If they don have a clue then there are bigger issues.

I just want to be clear for other posters, if I wasn't clear before hopefully this clears things up. You dont know that they would still want him to play for the Texans. However given the Texans past actions when it comes to the type of guys they want representing their org I'm pretty sure at the very least they dont want a sexual predator representing their franchise anymore than they wanted Mallet representing their franchise.

What does having season tickets have to do with anything?
 

leebigeztx

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I never said I have a clue.

What I said was the Texans org has a clue. That is my opinion and is most likely the case. If they don have a clue then there are bigger issues.

I just want to be clear for other posters, if I wasn't clear before hopefully this clears things up. You dont know that they would still want him to play for the Texans. However given the Texans past actions when it comes to the type of guys they want representing their org I'm pretty sure at the very least they dont want a sexual predator representing their franchise anymore than they wanted Mallet representing their franchise.

What does having season tickets have to do with anything?
You stated in a post before that if he plays, you're canceling your season tickets and I stated they don't care about your season ticket cancelation. Again, your basing your opinion and trying to make it a fact. The NFL doesn't have a moral code. Surprise, surprise. If they were what you think they are, especially based on accusations in which you're assuming are facts, more players would be suspended. You've thrown out sexual predator more than a few times as if the accusations have been proven true. I've stated more than a few times that if he's proven guilty of criminal charges, I hope he gets time. Just to be clear, the Texans wanted Watson back even after the accusations. These are known facts, not of my opinion. So for you to assume ,now all of a sudden they don't want him representing the team, its another one of your wrong opinions you're trying to pass off as fact.
 

zshawn10

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The needle may have moved on public discussion of a potential Deshaun Watson trade over the weekend, but the feet of the one man holding the cards have remained planted. And I’m not sure anyone should expect Nick Caserio to move from his stance soon.

Before we go any further here, it’s important to remind everyone that Watson’s situation, as it stands right now, encompasses things far more serious than what color helmet he’ll be wearing next time he plays. There are 22 lawsuits alleging sexual misconduct pending, and 10 of the 22 plaintiffs have filed criminal complaints against the quarterback.

That’s why getting what, in January, was fair market value has been difficult for the Texans and their first-year general manager. On the field, Watson, without question, would make the Dolphins, Panthers, Broncos or Eagles better. But if you trade for Watson now, he instantly becomes the face of your franchise, and it’s difficult to predict with any level of certainty how the legal situation will play out. Any general manager or head coach would be putting his own neck on the line in going to his owner asking for permission to make such a trade.

That brings us back to Caserio. With all due respect to J.J. Watt, whatever Caserio does here will be the first franchise-shifting move he makes in a job he worked two decades to get. If he takes less, and Watson is cleared legally in a couple of months, then he’s traded away a 25-year-old franchise quarterback with five years left on his contract at a cut rate.

So, then, what’s the rush to move Watson? Caserio doesn’t owe Watson anything, nor does he owe other NFL teams the chance to acquire him. The argument that it’ll make things awkward for David Culley and the coaches, or Tyrod Taylor and the quarterbacks, is fair. But those guys have already rode that out for six weeks.

The cost for hanging on to Watson for the season would be $10.54 million. The cost for holding on to him past Tuesday would be the 53rd player on the roster.

Bottom line, given Caserio is in his first year as a GM, and given what the haul for Watson would’ve been in January or February, that cost is small in comparison to what a trade should bring for a player like this.


On Saturday, Pro Football Talk’s Mike Florio did a nice job of breaking down the four options the Texans have Tuesday, when rosters across the NFL reduce to 53. One, they could tell him it’s time to play; two, they could put him on IR; three, they could keep him on ice, and essentially go into the year with 52 players; four, they could trade him.

The cutdown is a big reason why the Watson situation bubbled back up to the top of the news cycle the last couple of days, and why it’ll remain there until Tuesday afternoon’s deadline for the Texans to check one of those four boxes. And looking forward to that deadline, and trying to project what might happen, requires looking back at why we are where we are.

• I believe the root of the issue here for Watson remains with ownership, and specifically that Cal McNair didn’t follow through on his promise to loop Watson into the process of hiring Caserio, after involving him in prior stages of vetting coach and GM candidates. Obviously, a lot has happened since then, and not for the better, and the result is an irrevocably broken relationship between a team owner and his team’s quarterback.

• Caserio, to my knowledge, was earnest in his desire to hold on to Watson earlier in the offseason—which I can say was reflected in the way the Texans rebuffed interest back then from other teams. I can also say through that period, and well into March, packages involving three first-round picks (and then some) were discussed by interested teams. The Texans, at the time, were unmoved.

• In mid-March, the first three lawsuits were filed by attorney Tony Buzbee. By the end of the month, the number grew to 21. On April 2, a police investigation was launched. (Watson has denied any wrongdoing.) And while the language the Texans were using publicly had shifted—from “he’s our quarterback” to “we’ll do what’s best for the team”—by then, the market for Watson had changed dramatically.

• Since, some teams I talked to that were interested at the time, and some that remain interested now, have only been willing to entertain a deal that gives them protections by making the draft-pick compensation conditional (with conditions linked to his availability to play). I haven’t gotten any indication that the Texans are willing to tie their return to those sorts of contingencies.

• On Saturday, Yahoo’s Charles Robinson reported that the Texans’ price is three first-rounders and a pair of second-rounders. What I’ve heard is vaguer than that—three first-round picks as a starting point, with additional compensation on top of that—but does match up with Robinson’s information.

• And to that “additional compensation,” I wouldn’t assume that another team’s young quarterback (e.g. Miami’s Tua Tagovailoa, Carolina’s Sam Darnold or Philly’s Jalen Hurts) would necessarily be seen as an asset by Houston in a Watson trade. I think in at least some of those cases, and maybe all of them, the Texans would much prefer additional picks to the quarterbacks.

• On one hand, I don’t think Watson’s preference being Miami gives the Dolphins any sort of advantage, or leverage, in working to land the quarterback. On the other, Watson does have some control over this, via the no-trade clause he secured in the four-year, $156 million extension he signed less than a year ago.

So looking at that landscape, if you’re Caserio, what do you do?

The comfortable thing might be to find a way to move on soon, give Culley a fresh start with a healthier quarterback room and make the Watson story someone else’s issue. And maybe someone will decide, at the 11th hour, to meet the Texans’ price. Or find a creative way to write conditions into a deal that work for Houston.

Absent that sort of offer, though, it’s really hard for me to see Caserio’s being backed into a corner here. It’s too important to the future of the franchise that it gets the highest price possible for the NFL’s most valuable commodity—a young, under-contract, superstar quarterback. If that means essentially squatting on Watson’s rights, paying him $10.45 million for the year and managing a very weird situation over the coming months, so be it.
 

Earl34

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All it takes is for those NFL teams mentioned by the internet as interested in Watson is to come out and say there is no interested in Watson due to his legal issues. I guess all this is advertisement is keeping teams names in front of the public.
To your point. A couple of days ago, a reporter asked the Dolphins' HC about Watson and his response was......No comment.
 

OptimisticTexan

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Texans could try moving the majority of picks back so the proper time is given for a resolution to be found.

In Miami’s case, they keep Tua but give up picks over the next 3 drafts.

2022: RD1
2023: RD1, RD2, RD4
2024: RD1, RD2, RD3

The picks in 2023 & 2024 could be looped into some type of protection plan for Miami based on how the Watson situation plays out. Texans & Caserio get their RD1 in 2022 and backload the trade in 2023 & 2024 when the Watson mess should be in the rear-view mirror.
 

badboy

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You stated in a post before that if he plays, you're canceling your season tickets and I stated they don't care about your season ticket cancelation. Again, your basing your opinion and trying to make it a fact. The NFL doesn't have a moral code. Surprise, surprise. If they were what you think they are, especially based on accusations in which you're assuming are facts, more players would be suspended. You've thrown out sexual predator more than a few times as if the accusations have been proven true. I've stated more than a few times that if he's proven guilty of criminal charges, I hope he gets time. Just to be clear, the Texans wanted Watson back even after the accusations. These are known facts, not of my opinion. So for you to assume ,now all of a sudden they don't want him representing the team, its another one of your wrong opinions you're trying to pass off as fact.
My POV
 

badboy

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My position exactly and why I choose to come up with possible trade scenarios. $10.54 actual to be paid and prorated over the games is minimal and even the cap hit of $16 is not causing me to panic; team has over $12.5 space now and allows them to go get at least one vet if one appears.

On a side note, Caserio is keeping cards close and his mouth shut at least in public--as he should. Nothing coming out of his camp that I am aware of. At least for now it doesn't appear that anyone is taking advantage of our current GM.
 

banned1976

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In “league circles” how often has the phrase “Caserio is no Bill O’Brien” been uttered this offseason?

Whereas I haven’t been a fan of everything he’s done thus far, sticking to his guns in regards to a Watson trade, IMO has been the right thing. How he has kept Cal and his momma from unloading Watson for pennies on the dollar would be interesting to know. Because I’m sure they don’t want “the defiler” associated with their name
 
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badboy

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Texans could try moving the majority of picks back so the proper time is given for a resolution to be found.

In Miami’s case, they keep Tua but give up picks over the next 3 drafts.

2022: RD1
2023: RD1, RD2, RD4
2024: RD1, RD2, RD3

The picks in 2023 & 2024 could be looped into some type of protection plan for Miami based on how the Watson situation plays out. Texans & Caserio get their RD1 in 2022 and backload the trade in 2023 & 2024 when the Watson mess should be in the rear-view mirror.
Based on the idea that future picks are equal to one round later than current year:

2022:RD 1
2023: RD 2, RD3, RD 5
2024: RD 3, RD 4, RD 5

I understand your point and not against but do not see Nick wanting that.
 

badboy

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Here's a link to an interesting conversation between Yahoo Senior NFL Reporter Charles Robinson & John Granato and Lance Zierlein on the Bench from this morning.
Thanks for posting: My thoughts
1. Why would NFL teams tell Robinson what their plan(s) are RE DW? Perhaps he is trusted enough among NFL teams to be a conduit for "messages" like a carrier pigeon?
2. Texans want picks preferably over players. Why? I get teams preferring as restrictions can be placed but not so with a player. IF he meant a pick over Tua that's reasonable but not what I heard.
3. "I know for a fact that an offer was made (earlier in year) of 3 firsts and 3 thirds..."

That seems probable to me
 

mws

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Thanks for posting: My thoughts
1. Why would NFL teams tell Robinson what their plan(s) are RE DW? Perhaps he is trusted enough among NFL teams to be a conduit for "messages" like a carrier pigeon?
2. Texans want picks preferably over players. Why? I get teams preferring as restrictions can be placed but not so with a player. IF he meant a pick over Tua that's reasonable but not what I heard.
3. "I know for a fact that an offer was made (earlier in year) of 3 firsts and 3 thirds..."

That seems probable to me
To me he framed it more as him making a deduction rather than him having any solid inside info. I would take it with a grain of salt. It does make me wonder if he is one of the sources of all the Miami chatter we are suddenly hearing.
 

OptimisticTexan

2021 Building Block 1 / Go Texans
Based on the idea that future picks are equal to one round later than current year:

2022:RD 1
2023: RD 2, RD3, RD 5
2024: RD 3, RD 4, RD 5

I understand your point and not against but do not see Nick wanting that.
I understand this but when 2022 and 2023 roll around…..those RD1’s will be valued at face value, not how we valued it 2021.

This might be as good as it gets knowing the overall situation.
 

TexansBull

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Thanks for posting: My thoughts

3. "I know for a fact that an offer was made (earlier in year) of 3 firsts and 3 thirds..."
There may have been an offer for 3 firsts and 3 thirds but it may have gone only 3 thirds had Watson served time.

Too much hearsay for me to believe anything.

Not saying you do, just using your comment to expand on.
 

paycheck71

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There may have been an offer for 3 firsts and 3 thirds but it may have gone only 3 thirds had Watson served time.

Too much hearsay for me to believe anything.

Not saying you do, just using your comment to expand on.
Also, as was mentioned a million times, any of those offers were made before trades could be finalized, and all the legal stuff came out a day before then. Doesn't matter if KC had offered to swap QB's straight up at that point, it was never going to be finalized.
 

badboy

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There may have been an offer for 3 firsts and 3 thirds but it may have gone only 3 thirds had Watson served time.

Too much hearsay for me to believe anything.

Not saying you do, just using your comment to expand on.
I do not think Texans will accept a trade that would lower Watson's value to three round 3s in any case. The point I get is that a team had Watson's value high at 3 round ones and 3 thirds.
 

badboy

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I understand this but when 2022 and 2023 roll around…..those RD1’s will be valued at face value, not how we valued it 2021.

This might be as good as it gets knowing the overall situation.
But the value of the trade is set at the value of the pics at the moment of the trade. A Miami 2022 round one is locked into how San Francisco does this year. True Miami pics with Watson as the quarterback drop significantly. Yes that may be the only offer Houston gets but there is absolutely no reason for them to accept that as they can contemplate offers in the 2021 offseason.
 

Texian

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Thanks for posting: My thoughts
1. Why would NFL teams tell Robinson what their plan(s) are RE DW? Perhaps he is trusted enough among NFL teams to be a conduit for "messages" like a carrier pigeon?


That seems probable to me
I have no doubt Carolina dished on their involvement after they pulled out of the process. I have followed Robinson for well over a decade and have found him to be well connected and spot on with his reporting. There are not many reporters who are as good as Robinson.
 

badboy

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Also, as was mentioned a million times, any of those offers were made before trades could be finalized, and all the legal stuff came out a day before then. Doesn't matter if KC had offered to swap QB's straight up at that point, it was never going to be finalized.
We know a trade would not have been allowed to go through however the point was a value amount had been attached according to that interview.
 

Corrosion

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Also, as was mentioned a million times, any of those offers were made before trades could be finalized, and all the legal stuff came out a day before then. Doesn't matter if KC had offered to swap QB's straight up at that point, it was never going to be finalized.
Right .... Now ask yourself what has changed , other than the date.

The league wouldn't have approved a trade then - post allegations which have only gotten worse since , why would they do so now ?
 

paycheck71

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Right .... Now ask yourself what has changed , other than the date.

The league wouldn't have approved a trade then - post allegations which have only gotten worse since , why would they do so now ?
Wasn't commenting on what the league is going to do or was going to do back then, but there is no way the trade partner would have honored any agreement. As to what has changed, some time has passed, people have been able to form a more informed opinion. The legal news literally came out the day before. Other than that, just more accusers.
 

Speedy

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Right .... Now ask yourself what has changed , other than the date.

The league wouldn't have approved a trade then - post allegations which have only gotten worse since , why would they do so now ?
What has changed is not knowing then vs. knowing now. If somebody is willing to pull the trigger now, knowing all the allegations and what they could potentially lead to, then that's on them and should not be disallowed by the league.
 

badboy

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There may have been an offer for 3 firsts and 3 thirds but it may have gone only 3 thirds had Watson served time.

Too much hearsay for me to believe anything.

Not saying you do, just using your comment to expand on.
Just found this link that IIRC I posted from former Jets GM Feb 2, 2021. Doesn't set DW value now but opinion of a GM.


 

Lucky

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“I would absolutely, do whatever it took. Once you have Deshaun Watson, you create this aura of association.”

“And if you have to throw in Quinnen Williams, I don’t care. Because I can go find a Quinnen Williams, but Deshaun Watson is too talented. He’s a great person. He’s a great leader. He’s young. He’s under contract for five years. Whatever it takes, I get Deshaun Watson.”

I think those 3 bullet points have been diminished. I think 4 1st round picks and a top young player has become 3 picks (2 1sts and a 2nd) and the Texans taking an onerous contract. That's now. It could get better if some off this blows away, and Watson gets merely a 6 game suspension. It could get worse, if Watson is looking at a year's suspension and other hurdles to reinstatement. But it's never going to get back to what it was on February 2nd, 2021.
 

badboy

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“I would absolutely, do whatever it took. Once you have Deshaun Watson, you create this aura of association.”

“And if you have to throw in Quinnen Williams, I don’t care. Because I can go find a Quinnen Williams, but Deshaun Watson is too talented. He’s a great person. He’s a great leader. He’s young. He’s under contract for five years. Whatever it takes, I get Deshaun Watson.”

I think those 3 bullet points have been diminished. I think 4 1st round picks and a top young player has become 3 picks (2 1sts and a 2nd) and the Texans taking an onerous contract. That's now. It could get better if some off this blows away, and Watson gets merely a 6 game suspension. It could get worse, if Watson is looking at a year's suspension and other hurdles to reinstatement. But it's never going to get back to what it was on February 2nd, 2021.
Only disagreement I have with your comments is your last one. I do understand why you said that but if his legal issues are cleared, I expect a bidding Frenzy. As 2021 progresses and quarterbacks go down and others that are on the hot seat like Tua and possibly Hurts, Bridgewater and Goff ability becomes clear, more teams should be in the mix.

He definitely is not considered a great person any longer however I think his leadership on the field would be considered by many teams owners and GM's as very good. That is one of my primary reasons for talking about trades others are going to look at only his football world and not his off-the-field world.

Also depending on the team and therefore order of the pics two round ones and a second for example from Detroit or Philadelphia plus a contract it's not necessarily a bad return.

Interested in onerous contracts you think could be part of a trade. Goff for certain for me.

CB Howard better than Darius Slay. Your thoughts?
 
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It seems like at this stage this all could be on hold until the grand jury comes back with their conclusion. Nobody on either side of the trade negotiation understandably appears to be budging. If he is ultimately “no billed” then I suspect a team(s) quickly makes another run with much less, if any, demands on playing time protections. However, if they do recommend charges to the DA we certainly won’t see the kind of return we’ve been looking for anytime soon, if ever.
 

IDEXAN

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There's still a better than even chance we won't ever see anything for him. Other than him not being on the payroll.
So you think ultimately he's likely to be tagged with a felonious conviction and sent to the slammer ?
 

steelbtexan

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“I would absolutely, do whatever it took. Once you have Deshaun Watson, you create this aura of association.”

“And if you have to throw in Quinnen Williams, I don’t care. Because I can go find a Quinnen Williams, but Deshaun Watson is too talented. He’s a great person. He’s a great leader. He’s young. He’s under contract for five years. Whatever it takes, I get Deshaun Watson.”

I think those 3 bullet points have been diminished. I think 4 1st round picks and a top young player has become 3 picks (2 1sts and a 2nd) and the Texans taking an onerous contract. That's now. It could get better if some off this blows away, and Watson gets merely a 6 game suspension. It could get worse, if Watson is looking at a year's suspension and other hurdles to reinstatement. But it's never going to get back to what it was on February 2nd, 2021.
This is about what I hope they get for him

On the other hand I hope if he's convicted he does 25 yrs. Maybe the he might learn a little hunility and even if he doesn't maybe he will become an example for future NFL players.
 

badboy

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Report: Houston Texans wanted Deshaun Watson package to top what Miami Dolphins got for No. 3 pick
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Report: Houston Texans wanted Deshaun Watson package to top what Miami Dolphins got for No. 3 pick





According to a report, the Houston Texans told the Miami Dolphins they wanted a bigger package for Deshaun Watson than the one the Dolphins received when they traded their No. 3 overall pick in the 2021 NFL Draft to the San Francisco 49ers.

Miami received three first-round picks and one third-round pick from San Francisco in the deal. The 49ers wound up selecting quarterback Trey Lance with the pick from the Dolphins.
It was previously reported that the Texans wanted three first-round picks and two second-round picks in exchange for Watson.
“That’s about right, but it’s a negotiation so we figured that would be the starting point,” an NFL source told Armando Salguero of OutKick. “We didn’t think they’d actually be serious about that price with all that’s hanging over his head.”
Many folks have been taken aback by Houston’s rumored asking price for Watson, but it sounds like the organization means business.

A refresher article: from draftkings

Updated Mar 26, 2021, 2:03pm PDT
: John Lynch said he told Jimmy Garoppolo the QB is still part of their plans, but would not say they definitely won’t trade him.

Adam Schefter tweeted that a 49ers source told him, “Jimmy is here to stay. He’s our guy this year.”

The San Francisco 49ers and Miami Dolphins will swap their first round picks in the 2021 NFL Draft, per ESPN’s Adam Schefter. The deal reportedly will send Miami’s No. 3 pick to San Francisco in exchange for the No. 12 pick, a 2021 2022 third-round pick, and first-round picks in 2022 and 2023.
 

badboy

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I think Nick Caserio is doing correct thing by not saying anything about DW. Hard ball is way to go with Dolphins. "pay now or risk several teams in the mix next off season". Philly has two perhaps three round ones [The main drawback to Wentz’s first start as a Colt is lack of preparation. Since the Aug. 2 foot surgery, he had three days of limited work at training camp – everything except 11-on-11 drills – along with Monday’s condensed session and three practices starting with Wednesday. Wentz’s rehab was interrupted last week when he was placed on the COVID-19 list as a close-contact case.]


NY Giants have two firsts expected to both be within top 10-12.
Detroit Lions projected to battle Texans for 1.1 and have another from Rams for Stafford. Other teams after 2021 season over could get creative.
 

TexansBull

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A refresher article: from draftkings
I think Nick Caserio is doing correct thing by not saying anything about DW. Hard ball is way to go with Dolphins. "pay now or risk several teams in the mix next off season". Philly has two perhaps three round ones [The main drawback to Wentz’s first start as a Colt is lack of preparation. Since the Aug. 2 foot surgery, he had three days of limited work at training camp – everything except 11-on-11 drills – along with Monday’s condensed session and three practices starting with Wednesday. Wentz’s rehab was interrupted last week when he was placed on the COVID-19 list as a close-contact case.]


NY Giants have two firsts expected to both be within top 10-12.
Detroit Lions projected to battle Texans for 1.1 and have another from Rams for Stafford. Other teams after 2021 season over could get creative.
A key aspect about these trade possibilities is it doesn’t say what the contingency(claw back?) picks would have been if DW doesn’t play due to injury or prison.

Depending on those terms it could be a deal breaker.

I think NC is banking on the idea that Watson will pay to settle or make deals to stay out of prison and still play in the NFL.
 

badboy

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I would tell 81 years old Stephen Ross time to knuckle up and come get your Super Bowl QB. Xavien Howard 6'1" 200 lb 2018 probowler & second team ALL PRO 35 tackles 12 passes defended 7 INTs. 2020 first team ALL PRO 51 tackles 20 passes defended 10 INTs. I'll take him or you can trade him to Jets that desperately need corners for both 2022 round ones.
I would use Lions and NYG who both want a franchise QB and have two round ones and some tantalizing players. If we get Howard, we also get Dolphins pick from SF ~1.27.

From Dolphins X (or Jets picks: I project 3rd or 4th and #1.18) + WR Waddell and DE/LB Jaelan Phillips. If necessary to resolve some of risk on DW playing only 8 games in 2021 by Dolphins due only to suspension or Jail, Miami keeps 1.18. If DW plays zero games 2021 only due to same.. They keep 1..3 but we get 1.18. As incentive for Ross to move X for those picks and he doesn't we only get for picks the SF round one and NO compensation if DW misses games. Howard + Phillips + Waddell +1.27.

Get DW now, take the risk and put your team in SB contention for next ten seasons.

Miami 2021 projection 10-7 without DW https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-week-1-power-rankings-buccaneers-start-season-at-no-1-but-bills-will-stand-in-way-of-super-bowl-repeat/
 
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badboy

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A key aspect about these trade possibilities is it doesn’t say what the contingency(claw back?) picks would have been if DW doesn’t play due to injury or prison.

Depending on those terms it could be a deal breaker.

I think NC is banking on the idea that Watson will pay to settle or make deals to stay out of prison and still play in the NFL.
see my follow up post below yours.
 

badboy

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I would tell 81 years old Stephen Ross time to knuckle up and come get your Super Bowl QB. Xavien Howard 6'1" 200 lb 2018 probowler & second team ALL PRO 35 tackles 12 passes defended 7 INTs. 2020 first team ALL PRO 51 tackles 20 passes defended 10 INTs. I'll take him or you can trade him to Jets that desperately need corners for both 2022 round ones.
I would use Lions and NYG who both want a franchise QB and have two round ones and some tantalizing players. If we get Howard, we also get Dolphins pick from SF ~1.27.

From Dolphins X (or Jets picks: I project 3rd or 4th and #1.18) + WR Waddell and DE/LB Jaelan Phillips. If necessary to resolve some of risk on DW playing only 8 games in 2021 by Dolphins due only to suspension or Jail, Miami keeps 1.18. If DW plays zero games 2021 only due to same.. They keep 1..3 but we get 1.18. As incentive for Ross to move X for those picks and he doesn't we only get for picks the SF round one and NO compensation if DW misses games. Howard + Phillips + Waddell +1.27.

Get DW now, take the risk and put your team in SB contention for next ten seasons.

Miami 2021 projection 10-7 without DW https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-week-1-power-rankings-buccaneers-start-season-at-no-1-but-bills-will-stand-in-way-of-super-bowl-repeat/
After reading the article about college QBs so far this season and my anticipatory view of NFL teams needing QBs in 2022 my 'demand' now would be firm in X (or two round ones from Jets or Eagles highest two if they decide Hurts is their guy) + Jaelan Phillips + Waddell + Jevon Holland + SF's round one ~1.27 and I ain't budging nor giving any consideration for risk in losing games. My price will likely go up after season and teams begin to realize those QBs they selected in last two drafts or traded for ain't what they hoped and there are several.

CB all pro Xavien Howard or two round ones
WR Waddell a 2021 round one
DE/LB Phillips due to injuries including concussions I rate him as a round 2 at best
Safety Jevon Holland a round two
1.27

Risks for Dolphins that DW doesn't play some games
Risks for Texans X under contract for four years @great costs decides to ask for $ again;
Waddell translates to NFL; Phillips is healthy playing position that is concussion and ankle risky
 

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