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Pending he played a full season at Stanford and showed a progression in his game.Indeed but those same guys predicted him to a first round pick in the 2022 draft.
Pending he played a full season at Stanford and showed a progression in his game.Indeed but those same guys predicted him to a first round pick in the 2022 draft.
If they had Pep as their QB coach, yeah probably so.If Carr/Cousins cant fix their issues after being in the league this long then sitting theirrookie yr likely wouldn't have helped them overcome their flaws.
I believe we would’ve been 2-1 right now.Just because you start Mills doesn't mean you aren't trying to win games.
How many more games do you think they will win with TT playing QB and most importantly how do you think winning those games will affect the future of the Texans in a positive or negative way?
No they didn’t, they said maybe if he stayed. Kind of like projecting Rattler as a 1st. Probably not going to happen now.Indeed but those same guys predicted him to be a first round pick in the 2022 draft.
When it comes to looking for a franchise QB... those are the three LAST teams in the NFL I'm going to emulate. Haha. I'm really really hoping we don't go through the QB carousel those teams went through.Ok... there are some teams we should not try to emulate. Jags/NYJ/Bears are three of the top three.
chances are if they are doing it, they are doing it wrong.
2nd, they’ve already made up their mind they have their future QB. You guys are saying we need to see if we need to draft a QB in 2022.
If Culley were to say DM10 is our starter, then yes. Play the kid. But if we’re just kicking tires, play Tyrod.
I can expect his best efforts on what he does know and how he plays in non ideal situations lets us know how he should perform when situation improves. Quit making excuses for him. We all know the parameters of this season and this roster/coaches.B/c he's not in an ideal situation to be evaluated. Its like testing someone on material you haven't even taught them yet. Can't expect to get their best effort under those circumstances.
the threats of what those guys could do in the passing game was enough. Hell just the smarts to be able to audible into more favorable plays was enough. You saw that with Manning in the AFCCG against the Pats. 2 early, methodical TD drives when the pats tried to sit on the run game was enough to knock BB out of that strategy. Manning didn’t have to do anything after that.But the Broncos didn't win those 3 SBs with Elway's and Manning's arms.
Neither did much during the SB runs.
It was the running game that made it work.
This is silly rationale. You’re not learning **** in the way of him being “your guy” from him being able to run a limited portion of the playbook right now. May as well sit him and and come back next year & open the whole playbook. At that point he won’t really have any excuses.I can expect his best efforts on what he does know and how he plays in non ideal situations lets us know how he should perform when situation improves. Quit making excuses for him. We all know the parameters of this season and this roster/coaches.
YouLol, this is truly funny coming from you..the guy who looks at things only in black and white. I haven't made up my mind, im simply stating that sitting and letting him learn can't hurt him/us...it actually only helps him/us. This isn't the case in your scenario.
Seems like with examples you've provided, that switching offensive coordinators every year seems to be the common denominator.And Darnold didn't in NY. Neither did David Carr in HOU. Neither did guys like Alex Smith in SF and a whole host of other young qbs over the years whose potential was ruined before they even got good footing in the NFL b/c a HC was on the hot seat.........or an owner was being tempermental...... or a fan base wanted to "see what they got".
You keep citing the Chargers and its already been explained to you that the Charger team Herbert came into was better set up with Allen, Williams, Bosa, Ekler, Guyton and James already there before Herbert even took over. Lynn didn't stick with Herbert b/c he was trying to "see what he had" and get him experience. He was trying to win. & Herbert reassured him that he was the right guy to stick with going forward with his play by stepping up IMMEDIATELY against the defending champs by putting on a show & sustaining his skill the rest of that season. That's not at all what Mills has done or what we have seen up to this point from.
Ok I don't know, even though common sense would tell you this. But it won't.you don't know that.
So if they are 1-4 or 1-5 (likely) when TT makes it back, you think they're making the playoffs?@steelbtexan I can see where you are coming from about starting Mills the rest of the way, but if TT is healthy, and the Texans still have a shot at the playoffs, you play TT. The only way Mills maintains the starting job when TT comes back is if he is lighting it up, and the coaches feel he gives the team the best chance to win. Doing otherwise would tell the rest of the team that you aren't interested in winning, and would effect morale. These guys are here to win. Even though they know the odds of a winning season are against them, they still want to win. This may be the last chance for some of these players, so if the Texans don't do what gives them the best chance to win, you will lose these players. Culley has done a good job winning over these players, and changing the culture. Giving up on the season would wreck everything Culley has gained.
common sense tells you a lot of things that you ignore. Fact is you choose to use it only when it’s convenient to your argument.Ok I don't know, even though common sense would tell you this. But it won't.
The Texans play in the AFC South. Tennessee is only one game up. Anything can happen. I wouldn't be surprised if the winner of the AFC South has a losing record going into the playoffs. So, at 1-5 with 11 games to go, they still have a good chance of making the playoffs.So if they are 1-4 or 1-5 (likely) when TT makes it back, you think they're making the playoffs?
If so then TT wins the MVP.
I think the Patriots should be winnable & maybe the Colts even with Davis Mills. We might be 2–3 or 3-2So if they are 1-4 or 1-5 (likely) when TT makes it back, you think they're making the playoffs?
If so then TT wins the MVP.
Sit him was the plan when drafted. He's starting...evaluate him. If you want to use Driskel now.. do it. Wasn't my idea to start Davis Mills.This is silly rationale. You’re not learning **** in the way of him being “your guy” from him being able to run a limited portion of the playbook right now. May as well sit him and and come back next year & open the whole playbook. At that point he won’t really have any excuses.
we have 2 different opinions on “evaluate”. Of course WHILE he’s starting, sure help him get better as best you can. But “evaluating” him in the realm of whether he’s the guy long term or not with what he’s working with, no. He gets a mulligan from me with these starts he’s having to make right now.Sit him was the plan when drafted. He's starting...evaluate him. If you want to use Driskel now.. do it. Wasn't my idea to start Davis Mills.
You said the time to see what Mills has got has already passed. Not me.Lol, this is truly funny coming from you..the guy who looks at things only in black and white. I haven't made up my mind, im simply stating that sitting and letting him learn can't hurt him/us...it actually only helps him/us. This isn't the case in your scenario.
Or let him learn more of the playbook each week while under game conditions. Which is exactly what Culley's doing.This is silly rationale. You’re not learning **** in the way of him being “your guy” from him being able to run a limited portion of the playbook right now. May as well sit him and and come back next year & open the whole playbook. At that point he won’t really have any excuses.
Or let him learn more of the playbook each week while under game conditions. Which is exactly what Culley's doing.
We will see,the difference is Culley’s not doing it to see what he has like you’re advocating. He’s doing it b/c Mills is the next man up and he’s trying to win. & unless Mills comes out and lights it up…which he hasn’t done up to this point, he most likely will go back to TT for the same reason…b/c TT gives us the best chance to win.
This does not compute. Osweiler was a Bob McNair decision from the get go. Even O'Brien really didn't really want anything to do with Osweiler. Kubiak had nothing to do with Osweiler. What am I missing?Kubiak hid Osweiler's shortcoming fairly well.
With the number of QBs leaving college earlier and earlier. How relevant is the Bill Parcells' QB checklist?A LARGE difference between Herbert & Mills.
Herbert - 43 collegiate games
Mills - 13 collegiate games & coming back from injury
There's a big reason Mills went in the 3rd round, and it's because he wasn't viewed as NFL-ready.
I think he is referring to Osweiler playing for Kubiak in Denver and playing well enough that the Broncos and Texans were willing to give him that contract.This does not compute. Osweiler was a Bob McNair decision from the get go. Even O'Brien really didn't really want anything to do with Osweiler. Kubiak had nothing to do with Osweiler. What am I missing?
Osweiler was 5-2 with the Broncos that one year.This does not compute. Osweiler was a Bob McNair decision from the get go. Even O'Brien really didn't really want anything to do with Osweiler. Kubiak had nothing to do with Osweiler. What am I missing?
Obviously JMO, but for some weird reason I think DM can handle the pressure of starting now. Kid just doesn’t look overwhelmed mentally. Sure he has a lot to learn and this game or the next few may be the good, the bad, and the ugly but sitting a guy that hasn’t played much in the last couple of years seems to just be piling on. I think he’s anxious to get his lumps. I just really think he might be special. Just like his style.Unless you have these guys on record saying that they didn't or wouldn't have benefited from sitting, then you have no case. Fact is, it absolutely can't hurt them if they do sit and learn their rookie years & in the case of at least a few of the guys you listed, Maybe they'd be better if they had sat that 1st year. By contrast starting these guys before they are ready can absolutely hurt them long term not only physically, but mentally in developing bad habits.
no. I said ….or at least meant that the time to crown him as the starter going forward for the rest of the season regardless of what is going on with TT has pretty much passed. Him coming out and lighting up Carolina would’ve been a pretty good sign that he was ready to ascend as the starter. He has 1 more opportunity to flash this Sunday imo. If he does not do that, may as well sit him…imo.You said the time to see what Mills has got has already passed. Not me.
I really like TT, that said. And if DM struggles over the next few games prior to TT’s return it’s a no brainer to sit him. But what if he is showing game to game progress? If his lack of prior college starts damned him how could sitting him not add to the damnation? What might be key here is what are the Texans goals for finishing the season?no. I said ….or at least meant that the time to crown him as the starter going forward for the rest of the season regardless of what is going on with TT has pretty much passed. Him coming out and lighting up Carolina would’ve been a pretty good sign that he was ready to ascend as the starter. He has 1 more opportunity to flash this Sunday imo. If he does not do that, may as well sit him…imo.
in no way am I saying he CANT be that guy for us in the future, I’m just saying for right now, THIS season, you may as well sit him. Next year he gets a real legit shot to EARN it and he’ll in all likelihood be in a better position to really make a run at it.
it damned him as a prospect entering the draft…as a prospective developing qb in the NFL, it plays no factor.I really like TT, that said. And if DM struggles over the next few games prior to TT’s return it’s a no brainer to sit him. But what if he is showing game to game progress? If his lack of prior college starts damned him how could sitting him not add to the damnation? What might be key here is what are the Texans goals for finishing the season?
Not going to win much by accumulating a dearth of talent Unless I’m missing something.it damned him as a prospect entering the draft…as a prospective developing qb in the NFL, it plays no factor.
and the short term and long term goals for the Texans are very clear…at least to me they are. To win as many games as they can with whomever they decide to trot out as the starter this year. If Mills is the guy for that, so be it. What I’m confident in is that they are not using this season as an extended training camp to find out who has it and who doesn’t…which is what certain guys here are advocating b/c this team isn’t ready to compete for a championship or even the playoffs.
Long term, it’s to build a winning culture with guys who want to be here by accumulating a dearth of talent over time………to be in position to win a championship at some point.
Doesn't really matter whether they are 1st round heir apparents like Mahomes/Rodgers or project qbs like Cousins.
Rodgers was drafted in the 1st, but the Packers could've easily just pushed Favre aside considering he was already publically mulling retirement anyway. Brady was a project qb but who knows if he'd be considered what he is today if he'd somehow been forced into the starting role his rookie year & he performed badly or just ok. The benefits of sitting early in your career & learning aren't only just for project qbs & im sure all these guys benefited from it whether they acknowledge or even know it or not.
Totally misses the point. Yes they were in better situations & their teams didn’t make a poor decision because of it.
But the fact is they sat & for all we know are better because of it. Pat Mahomes in particular. His own teammates were calling him trash as a rookie.
I wonder how many QBs in the last 15 years don’t meet the metrics of the list and succeeded, and how many met the metrics of the list and fail. Success being a franchise QB for a number of years.With the number of QBs leaving college earlier and earlier. How relevant is the Bill Parcells' QB checklist?
- Be a three-year starter
- Be a senior in college
- Graduate from college
- Start 30 games
- Win 23 games
- Post a 2-1 touchdown-to-interception ratio
- Complete at least 60 percent of passes thrown
I misunderstood the beginning of that post, I took it to mean one thing and you obviously meant another.no. I said ….or at least meant that the time to crown him as the starter going forward for the rest of the season regardless of what is going on with TT has pretty much passed. Him coming out and lighting up Carolina would’ve been a pretty good sign that he was ready to ascend as the starter. He has 1 more opportunity to flash this Sunday imo. If he does not do that, may as well sit him…imo.
in no way am I saying he CANT be that guy for us in the future, I’m just saying for right now, THIS season, you may as well sit him. Next year he gets a real legit shot to EARN it and he’ll in all likelihood be in a better position to really make a run at it.
1st, I think it's obvious the Texans idea of what Davis Mills is, is different from what I think he is.Thing is I agree with you that letting a rookie sit is the better route but it’s also the route few teams can afford to take because you have such a tight window where you can actually take a real shot at a championship.
If he were a 1st round pick I'd want him starting. Clock is ticking.People need to stop acting like just because he was our first pick that he is a round 1 draft pick.
I misunderstood the beginning of that post, I took it to mean one thing and you obviously meant another.
You're view is short term, I'm betting unless Mills craps the bed the next couple of weeks, he remains the starter. Why? Because Caserio appears to be taking the long term view.
really not that hard to understand.1st, I think it's obvious the Texans idea of what Davis Mills is, is different from what I think he is.
But as far as luxury goes, they made their situation what it is. They had the whole offseason to shape their roster.
& as far as the "window" goes, it's open. Wide open. We've got 29 players under contract in 2022.
If he were a 1st round pick I'd want him starting. Clock is ticking.
I'm coming at this as if the guy only played 11 games in the last 4 years. & that the Texans believe he has potential. I don't want them to squander that potential.
Watch and see what happens,WTH are you talking about? the long term view is to sit him and put him in the best position to succeed. Not potentially ruin the kid before he’s had a fair crack at it.
mills is like any other player…he just wants to play. And it’s not Caserio’s call on who plays and who doesn’t. The HC’s name is David Culley Perhaps you’ve heard?Watch and see what happens,
Caserio wants to see what he's got in Mills long term before next offseason. Mills himself said the only way you can really learn the speed of the game is by being out on the field and he was looking forward to the opportunity. He said this on 610 this afternoon.
Only on Texans Talk would members want to sit a promising young QB for an injury prone 12 yr vet.
Osweiler never played for Kubiak. Osweiler was drafted by Denver in the 2012 NFL draft. Kubiak had already been the Texans HC coach for 6 years by then.I think he is referring to Osweiler playing for Kubiak in Denver and playing well enough that the Broncos and Texans were willing to give him that contract.
It's just the Texans luck that Osweiler felt disrespected by the Broncos and was not taking their calls. So, Texans were bidding against themselves. SMDH.
Osweiler played for Kubiak in Denver the year they won a SB (2015).Osweiler never played for Kubiak. Osweiler was drafted by Denver in the 2012 NFL draft. Kubiak had already been the Texans HC coach for 6 years by then.
Trust me Caserio will be making this call. He .ales the final call on all things in the on field operations. Atleast that's what Cal said. Honestly why do you think a 65yr old 1st time HC would be hired?mills is like any other player…he just wants to play. And it’s not Caserio’s call on who plays and who doesn’t. The HC’s name is David Culley Perhaps you’ve heard?
only on Texans talk do fans think the best course of action for a young developing Qb is to just throw him to the wolves just because. There’s not even a reason to be looking at drafting a qb next year if they already feel Mills is that guy.
HC coaches don’t think like that. They only think in terms of who gives them the best chance to win. And if that Mills, so be it.
Long term, it’s to build a winning culture with guys who want to be here by accumulating a dearth of talent over time………to be in position to win a championship at some point.
How do you accumulate a dearth of anything?Not going to win much by accumulating a dearth of talent Unless I’m missing something.
However it's done, the Texans have mastered it during their time in the NFL.. Bunch of stupid moves with nothing to show for it. lolHow do you accumulate a dearth of anything?
Some folks can’t just go with the gist.it damned him as a prospect entering the draft…as a prospective developing qb in the NFL, it plays no factor.
and the short term and long term goals for the Texans are very clear…at least to me they are. To win as many games as they can with whomever they decide to trot out as the starter this year. If Mills is the guy for that, so be it. What I’m confident in is that they are not using this season as an extended training camp to find out who has it and who doesn’t…which is what certain guys here are advocating b/c this team isn’t ready to compete for a championship or even the playoffs.
Long term, it’s to build a winning culture with guys who want to be here by accumulating an abundance of talent over time………to be in position to win a championship at some point.
Seems to me that Caserio has accumulated a dearth of talent. Some acquired, some inherited.How do you accumulate a dearth of anything?
Trust me Caserio will be making this call. He .ales the final call on all things in the on field operations. Atleast that's what Cal said. Honestly why do you think a 65yr old 1st time HC would be hired?
lol, damn autocorrect was trying to say “alot” of talent.Seems to me that Caserio has accumulated a dearth of talent. Some acquired, some inherited.
Then let's delete. Not like there aren't eleventy-five other threads where the same people are talking about the same thing.It was too early to start a game thread. We can reboot on Sunday.