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leebigeztx

Keep it Movin!
As opposed to what? 3rd round selections are almost always projects. Look at the guys drafted around him in the 3rd. Most are all back ups, only a few starters....The upside of selecting a qb there way outweighs the downside.
Not according this board. 3rd players are normally 1st rd talents with some kind of issue ie Justin Houston, Adelius Thomas. Projects are normally guys drafted but have special traits of some kind. Did you ever see any special traits by Mills?
 

leebigeztx

Keep it Movin!
i wouldn't even call what Mahomes does instincts.....that's just backyard football...but you can get away with playing that way when you have an arm like his...Mills is a guy who just struggles to ad lib mostly b/c i don't think he had to do it coming out of HS & never really got the chance to develop his off schedule play making in college...& his development in that department is being retarded in the NFL with what he has around him with the Texans. The position is as much about skills as it is about confidence.

Brees was similar to him in that way which is why he struggled his 1st 3 years in the NFL..got benched 3 times in SD before the injury & then lucked up & got with Payton in NO who not only was a great playcaller, but also had a system tailor made for Brees where the ball is out quickly..no instincts really required....Not saying Mills is that...but folks underestimate what the right system can do for a player.
Brees struggled, yes, but by year 3, he was on a roll. Brees was also a prolific passer at Purdue who at the time were one of the only Big 10 school passing the ball alot. The Chargers didn't take a project with the 1st pick in the 2nd rd, they took a guy who had real talent, just short by bfl qb standards. Brees always had instincts, not ad lib, but knowing when to push the pockets and make throws to uncover his wr. Yes he had LT and a no name te Gates.
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
Not according this board. 3rd players are normally 1st rd talents with some kind of issue ie Justin Houston, Adelius Thomas. Projects are normally guys drafted but have special traits of some kind. Did you ever see any special traits by Mills?
Lol, 1st round talents? those are 2nd rounders. 3rd rounders are actually projects imo...Guys that have the measurables but need more development time with NFL coaching to to have the chance to realize their full potential. In Mills' case, he had the measurables and pretty good arm talent, but it was clear from his number of starts and his play at Stanford that he still needed more development. Worth the gamble imo. Certainly more of a chance than Kellen Mond who selected right before him. I watched him plenty at A&M......eww.
 

TexansFight

Veteran
Lol, 1st round talents? those are 2nd rounders. 3rd rounders are actually projects imo...Guys that have the measurables but need more development time with NFL coaching to to have the chance to realize their full potential. In Mills' case, he had the measurables and pretty good arm talent, but it was clear from his number of starts and his play at Stanford that he still needed more development. Worth the gamble imo. Certainly more of a chance than Kellen Mond who selected right before him. I watched him plenty at A&M......eww.
Teams that know what they’re doing, those that build through the draft and have depth, don’t waste 3rd round picks on projects like Kahale Warring and Braxton Miller. The 3rd round is where winning organizations like the Ravens make hay and separate themselves from 3rd rate teams like the Texans. The Texans have consistently been terrible with their mid round picks. This has been a problem for the entire history of this pathetic franchise. Casserly, Tricky Rick, BOB and Caserio have followed a moronic playbook.

The Ravens should be the organization that losers like the Texans should try to copy. From scouting, to pro and college personnel analysis, coaching, front office and ownership they have been consistently excellent. Oh by the way, the Ravens 2022 draft class is grading the best in the NFL. Remember they took Kyle Hamilton before the aggy G and he is been a huge impact player. DT Travis Jones was their pick in the 3rd round.
 
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Mr teX

Hall of Fame
Brees struggled, yes, but by year 3, he was on a roll. Brees was also a prolific passer at Purdue who at the time were one of the only Big 10 school passing the ball alot. The Chargers didn't take a project with the 1st pick in the 2nd rd, they took a guy who had real talent, just short by bfl qb standards. Brees always had instincts, not ad lib, but knowing when to push the pockets and make throws to uncover his wr. Yes he had LT and a no name te Gates.
Disagree. Drew came into the league and was immediately sat on the bench. Part of that was kinda how it was done back then, but part of it too was they didn't think he was ready. & they were right. From an instinct perspective his problem was the opposite of Mills; he was too aggressive at times and that's why he got benched twice for frickin' Flutie.....By his 3rd year he was a sub .500 winning qb & his TD/int ratio wasn't right side up. Year 3. He didn't actually break out until year 4...but then regressed in year 5. His inconsistency up to that point was the reason the Chargers took Rivers in the 1st place. These days, you're not getting 3-4 years to prove yourself as a 2nd / 3rd round pick anyway.
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
Teams that know what they’re doing and build through the draft and have depth don’t think of 3rd round picks that are wasted on projects . The 3rd round is where winning organizations like the Ravens make hay and separate themselves from 3rd rate teams like the Texans. The Texans have consistently been terrible with their mid round picks. Yes Tricky Rick, BOB and Caserio have followed a moronic playbook. The Ravens should be the organization that losers like the Texans should try to copy. From scouting, to pro and college personnel analysis, coaching, front office and ownership they have been consistently excellent.
yeah, ok....If they're so great in the 3rd selecting starters and impact players, why haven't they been able to land a top level WR in the 1st or 2nd round since like EVER? You'd think that'd be easier right? Their hit percentage isn't that much higher than the Texans...Look it up buddy.
 
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leebigeztx

Keep it Movin!
yeah, ok....If they're so great in the 3rd selecting starters and impact players, why haven't they been able to land a top level WR in the 1st or 2nd round since like EVER? You'd think that'd be easier right? Their hit percentage isn't that much higher than the Texans...Look it up buddy.
Some teams can't draft certain positions. The Patriots nor the Ravens can draft wr's yet the Steelers and Packers can along with all those Shanny/Kubiak guys.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
My issue with Mills and I've said this before is he's not a natural football player. He has 0 it factor that he's going to let it loose and take command. There is a reason lower round drafted guys like Gus Ferrotte or an undrafted guy like Fitzpatrick can basically be starters at some level in the nfl. The coaches call the plays, but you are the one executing the plays which are fluid. You can't be a robot playing qb especially. Its a feel thing to the way the game is going and when to make a play outside of the play called. You would think by now he would be balls to the wall, but that's not him. He's just content with being a robot.
In conjunction with your comment one play in quarter 4 IIRC Davis threw ball down field incomplete but only glanced at screen with no emotion. I think he is overwhelmed and just hanging on for his paycheck.
 

edo783

Hall of Fame
To me, Mills processes information slowly. That's why he holds onto the ball so much. He seems to have a pretty good fastball at the intermediate range, but he rainbows it with a real soft touch on the longer throws. The ball seems to hang up too long and that's why every one of them become contested catches. They are fairly well on target though. In truth, I'm not sure what to make of him. I suspect that he probably will be a career backup.
 

Mangler

Hall Of Famer
Now that there’s no pressure he’s able to play freely. Dude was out there going through his progressions, something he wasn’t doing before the benching. He wasn’t stepping up in the pocket like he was doing this afternoon.
I blame coaching for not having him mentally prepared. That crap started way before the season begun.
The kid is literally a 3rd round qb with little CFB experience who is well aware that this is probably his last shot at starting in this league. Most 3rd rounders have a short leash. But I guess that’s “no pressure.” :rolleyes:
 

TexansFight

Veteran
Texans gave Cowboys and Chiefs problems in back to back weeks. That suggests two things, Lovies staff is coaching their a$$ off and players are not giving up. Kudos 👍
This is a joke right? You’re trolling. This coaching staff is the worst in the NFL. The only good coach is the special teams coordinator. Pep and Lovie will never get another shot at OC and HC after they’re fired at the end of the season.
 

thunderkyss

Just win baby!!!
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Contributor's Club
Is the coaching sustainable or is it just gimmicks and throwing darts.
They got three weeks to show one way or another.

I know if I were their boss I'd have been asking them what was the problem, what needs to be done to fix it, & are you the guy who can fix it.

Keep in mind, I'm not asking them to have won a bunch of games at this point. I'm trying to find out if these guys can coach & I've not seen much evidence they can outside the last two weeks.

After these last two games I'm more likely to believe the excuses over the first 13 weeks.

Still not seeing Lovie & Pep as long time solutions, but if they are actually teaching our young players to adapt to the NFL & become true pros, I won't have a problem with another year or two
 

TexansBull

Hall of Fame
I know if I were their boss I'd have been asking them what was the problem, what needs to be done to fix it, & are you the guy who can fix it.
They definitely got a talking to after the Miami game. It is evident.

Still not seeing Lovie & Pep as long time solutions, but if they are actually teaching our young players to adapt to the NFL & become true pros, I won't have a problem with another year or two
One more year at the most I think.
 
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They got three weeks to show one way or another.

I know if I were their boss I'd have been asking them what was the problem, what needs to be done to fix it, & are you the guy who can fix it.
Any coach will be able to "coach speak" through this and punctuate his response with "I can do it". Hopefully their boss has enough insight to make the correct decision for whatever the process is for this team.
Still not seeing Lovie & Pep as long time solutions, but if they are actually teaching our young players to adapt to the NFL & become true pros, I won't have a problem with another year or two
So are you hoping they are our Jeff Fisher that will hand over to our Sean McVay?
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
They got three weeks to show one way or another.

I know if I were their boss I'd have been asking them what was the problem, what needs to be done to fix it, & are you the guy who can fix it.

Keep in mind, I'm not asking them to have won a bunch of games at this point. I'm trying to find out if these guys can coach & I've not seen much evidence they can outside the last two weeks.

After these last two games I'm more likely to believe the excuses over the first 13 weeks.

Still not seeing Lovie & Pep as long time solutions, but if they are actually teaching our young players to adapt to the NFL & become true pros, I won't have a problem with another year or two
The adaptation starts with the coaches. Adapt & upgrade your offensive playcalling & philosophies.
 

Speedy

Former Yeller Dweller
Texans gave Cowboys and Chiefs problems in back to back weeks. That suggests two things, Lovies staff is coaching their a$$ off and players are not giving up. Kudos 👍
That's one way to look at it. To me it appears teams, particularly the better teams, are playing down to the lowly Texans. The Chiefs played a sloppy game, turnovers and a ton of penalties. You look at the stats and it should have been a KC blowout. They just didn't seem as focused, which might explain the turnovers and penalties, because the Texans are a 1 win team. No way a double digit win team loses to them, right?

That's why these games go ahead and get played on the field instead of on paper. If you don't take a team seriously, or don't have the same focus, you'll get beat in this league even by the worst teams.

I guess it says something about the Texans that they haven't given up, but these are also guys playing to stay employed.

Texans coaches coaching their ass off? Nah, ain't buying it. Why are they going to wait until 12, 13, 14 games in to start coaching their ass off? The Texans still had just 219 total yards at 3.8 yards per play, just 80 total yards after halftime. Mills still completed just 50% of his passes, still only had 121 yards. The Texans still only had 18 1st downs and 5 of those came on KC penalties. They still gave up 502 yards at 6.6 yards per play, still gave up 189 yards on the ground, and Mahommes didn't have a single incompletion the entire 2nd half and OT. Coaching staff coaching their ass off? Not a chance. Looked like the same ol Texans to me. KC just played down to their level, turned the ball over and committed penalties.
 

Norg

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it would be cool if we could split with the divison beating the titans colts and sweep jags i think with 4 wins we might still end up with #1 nope scratch that Chicago might get #1 if that happens
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
i wouldn't even call what Mahomes does instincts.....that's just backyard football...but you can get away with playing that way when you have an arm like his...Mills is a guy who just struggles to ad lib mostly b/c i don't think he had to do it coming out of HS & never really got the chance to develop his off schedule play making in college...& his development in that department is being retarded in the NFL with what he has around him with the Texans. The position is as much about skills as it is about confidence.

Brees was similar to him in that way which is why he struggled his 1st 3 years in the NFL..got benched 3 times in SD before the injury & then lucked up & got with Payton in NO who not only was a great playcaller, but also had a system tailor made for Brees where the ball is out quickly..no instincts really required....Not saying Mills is that...but folks underestimate what the right system can do for a player.
Did you even check the fact?

 

beerlover

Hall of Fame
This is a joke right? You’re trolling. This coaching staff is the worst in the NFL. The only good coach is the special teams coordinator. Pep and Lovie will never get another shot at OC and HC after they’re fired at the end of the season.
Trying to see positives instead of negatives and give props where due, whatever circumstances. It’s Christmas isn’t it, it’s time for giving. Look who isn’t playing, both 1st round picks, #1 RB, #1 & #2 WR’s, yet they almost beat Cowboys (admittedly in a mini slump) and Chiefs (who are looking ahead to the playoffs) but this point of season I’ll take it.

:koolaid:
 
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76Texan

Hall of Fame
I don’t care how tough Chief fans might be talking, their butt cheeks were clinched tight the entire game. They are breathing a sigh of relief to get out with a victory.
Moral victory is all we have.

I'm telling you it's Vegas and the NFL.

They want the fans to be entertained.

When the chips are down; it's a different story.

Chiefs 502 yards .
Texans 219 yards.

It's just a show.
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
I only feel sorry for those who took the Under bet.

Having the missed FG in regular time only to see a TD in overtime.
A hard pill to swallow.

But that's the NFL in conjunction with Vegas.

Magic happens all the time.
 

OptimisticTexan

2022 Rebuilding Block 2 / Go Texans
To me, Mills processes information slowly. That's why he holds onto the ball so much. He seems to have a pretty good fastball at the intermediate range, but he rainbows it with a real soft touch on the longer throws. The ball seems to hang up too long and that's why every one of them become contested catches. They are fairly well on target though. In truth, I'm not sure what to make of him. I suspect that he probably will be a career backup.
Sadly, the weapons he’s currently blessed with would have most any QB processing slowly. Options, pull the ball down and take off or throw the ball out of bounds.

I heard the game announcers mention on multiple occasions that there were no receivers open.
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
Contributor's Club
Teams that know what they’re doing, those that build through the draft and have depth, don’t waste 3rd round picks on projects like Kahale Warring and Braxton Miller. The 3rd round is where winning organizations like the Ravens make hay and separate themselves from 3rd rate teams like the Texans. The Texans have consistently been terrible with their mid round picks. This has been a problem for the entire history of this pathetic franchise. Casserly, Tricky Rick, BOB and Caserio have followed a moronic playbook.

The Ravens should be the organization that losers like the Texans should try to copy. From scouting, to pro and college personnel analysis, coaching, front office and ownership they have been consistently excellent. Oh by the way, the Ravens 2022 draft class is grading the best in the NFL. Remember they took Kyle Hamilton before the aggy G and he is been a huge impact player. DT Travis Jones was their pick in the 3rd round.
That Pierce guy was a pretty good mid rd pick. So was Collins the yr before. IMHO Mills wasn't a bad gamble and overall you can see improvement.
 

Earl34

All Pro
Sadly, the weapons he’s currently blessed with would have most any QB processing slowly. Options, pull the ball down and take off or throw the ball out of bounds.

I heard the game announcers mention on multiple occasions that there were no receivers open.
Wait a minute. In every game, announcers point out no one was open on multiple plays for both teams. It‘s why the ability for a QB to make off script plays is so important. In fact, Mills made a couple of off script plays that bought time for his WRs to get open.

I can’t agree with his slow processing is based on his weapons when earlier in the season, he had a healthy Collins, Cooks, and Pierce and he was either going to the check down too soon or too slow with his progressions.
 

steelbtexan

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Wait a minute. In every game, announcers point out no one was open on multiple plays for both teams. It‘s why the ability for a QB to make off script plays is so important. In fact, Mills made a couple of off script plays that bought time for his WRs to get open.

I can’t agree with his slow processing is based on his weapons when earlier in the season, he had a healthy Collins, Cooks, and Pierce and he was either going to the check down too soon or too slow with his progressions.
I'm going with Mills next yr if I'm Caserio. If he's as bad as most think he team will suck next year and be in line to pick Williams or Maye.
 

OptimisticTexan

2022 Rebuilding Block 2 / Go Texans
Wait a minute. In every game, announcers point out no one was open on multiple plays for both teams. It‘s why the ability for a QB to make off script plays is so important. In fact, Mills made a couple of off script plays that bought time for his WRs to get open.

I can’t agree with his slow processing is based on his weapons when earlier in the season, he had a healthy Collins, Cooks, and Pierce and he was either going to the check down too soon or too slow with his progressions.
.....just as I can't agree with the foolish "slow processing" statement. The (2) TD's, (1) rushing TD, and a few completed passes showed zero slow processing. There's more to this back step in his development than just saying whatever pops in someone's head. Makes no sense that he can process lightening quick sometimes and other times can't seem to see the field according to some on this board. If he's a slow processor.....then how does he even process a single good play?
 

Texansballer74

The Marine
.....just as I can't agree with the foolish "slow processing" statement. The (2) TD's, (1) rushing TD, and a few completed passes showed zero slow processing. There's more to this back step in his development than just saying whatever pops in someone's head. Makes no sense that he can process lightening quick sometimes and other times can't seem to see the field according to some on this board. If he's a slow processor.....then how does he even process a single good play?
That’s why he said earlier in the season.
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
.....just as I can't agree with the foolish "slow processing" statement. The (2) TD's, (1) rushing TD, and a few completed passes showed zero slow processing. There's more to this back step in his development than just saying whatever pops in someone's head. Makes no sense that he can process lightening quick sometimes and other times can't seem to see the field according to some on this board. If he's a slow processor.....then how does he even process a single good play?
1 read vs 2-3 reads….maybe having not seen a certain defensive disguise and being momentarily confused before pulling the trigger or getting the ball to where it needs to go….eyes down watching the rush/people at his feet. There are a bunch of reasons why he could be or appear to be seeing it well in some instances and not seeing it in others.
 

KarlK

Waterboy
I'm going with Mills next yr if I'm Caserio. If he's as bad as most think he team will suck next year and be in line to pick Williams or Maye.
Yipee! Let's prolong the eternal "rebuild" another year by ignoring the most important position on the field.

Concede 5 seasons in order to have a window of 3. Brilliance.
 

Earl34

All Pro
.....just as I can't agree with the foolish "slow processing" statement. The (2) TD's, (1) rushing TD, and a few completed passes showed zero slow processing. There's more to this back step in his development than just saying whatever pops in someone's head. Makes no sense that he can process lightening quick sometimes and other times can't seem to see the field according to some on this board. If he's a slow processor.....then how does he even process a single good play?
1 read vs 2-3 reads….maybe having not seen a certain defensive disguise and being momentarily confused before pulling the trigger or getting the ball to where it needs to go….eyes down watching the rush/people at his feet. There are a bunch of reasons why he could be or appear to be seeing it well in some instances and not seeing it in others.
Being a slow processor doesn't mean every single play. You're overreacting. Jeff Van Gundy said, "never ignore in victory, what you wouldn't ignore in defeat". What's foolish is using one game in defeat to ignore what has been happening all season. @Mr teX already did a good job explaining why it's not every single play.
 

Earl34

All Pro
That’s why he said earlier in the season.
What's funny is last week, I mentioned that Mills was going to improve over the next four weeks and we will be back to where we were at the end of last season. Looks like the Mills train is picking up steam again.

The turnaround starts this week. After sitting for two weeks and having a chance to reflect. Mills is about to go on a late season run that will change hearts and minds. By the end of the season, we will have posts reminding us that if he came out in the 2023 draft, he would be a first round pick. :kitten:
 

OptimisticTexan

2022 Rebuilding Block 2 / Go Texans
Fully expected this, but I’m fairly certain that the play itself was not a designed run for Mills.

I finally had a chance to go back and look at the play and his OL and receivers failed him, which left him no option but to scramble…..unfortunately a defensive player came up from behind and punched the ball out. Mills was loosely carrying the ball, but it appeared that he was trying to buy himself a few more yards by appearing to pump like he was going to try and dump the ball. Just a bad break that’s happened to plenty of other QB’s with far more experience. Forget it and move to next week.
 
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steelbtexan

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Yipee! Let's prolong the eternal "rebuild" another year by ignoring the most important position on the field.

Concede 5 seasons in order to have a window of 3. Brilliance.
The rebuild is going to take the same amount of yrs whether a QB is picked in this draft or not and whether you like it or not. In fact if they pick the wrong QB in this draft then the rebuild won't work and in 5 years there will be another GM rebuilding again and the Texans org will be in the Lions/Browns territory at that time. There's a 7-8 yr window from the time a QB is drafted until his window to win a championship is closed, due to the cap
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
I wouldn't call this game as being benched.
Flutie came in for 3 drives as Schotty was looking for a spark.

Starters don’t get benched under any circumstances…..let alone players drafted as high as Brees was……unless you’re sucking…its a benching
 

vtech9

All Pro
1 read vs 2-3 reads….maybe having not seen a certain defensive disguise and being momentarily confused before pulling the trigger or getting the ball to where it needs to go….eyes down watching the rush/people at his feet. There are a bunch of reasons why he could be or appear to be seeing it well in some instances and not seeing it in others.
I think that 1-read vs 2-3 reads goes back to Pep. It's my belief that Pep wanted Mills to check down more, and was complained about by many people in training camp. Last season, and these last two games, Mills has been going through his progressions fairly quickly, and looks like a much different QB than he has all season with the 1-read/checkdown **** that Pep has been telling him to do. I think Pep has been the biggest reason for Mills' regression. Pep and Lovie were so focused on playing safe, that they basically handcuffed Mills, and made him play so tight for fear of making a mistake.
 


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