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The New New JaDeveon Clowney Thread

Tweet from @Curtis_Crabtree: Jadeveon Clowney chases Andy Dalton out of bounds from behind for a 2-yard sack, his first in Seattle..
 
OB must have seen the stats on Clowney as well and feels good he got rid of that guy. lol
 
What a debut for JD huh!? Poor guy was gassed LOL first organized football activity in 6 months and he just goes out and kills it on sheer athleticism. Wait until he gets the playbook down and his playing legs under him. DPOY candidate.
 
https://www.fieldgulls.com/2019/9/8...ngals-stats-highlights-defense-seattle-texans

Clowney finished with two tackles and he may or may not have had his first sack depending on the final official ruling; the play was potentially ruled as a “team sack” if Dalton ran out on his own accord. Clowney’s presence also may have helped Quinton Jefferson have a career day with two sack, three QB hits, and two batted passes.

Additionally, Mychal Kendricks was consistently in the backfield creating pressure, Branden Jackson helped create pressure, Al Woods got himself a fumble recovery, and Rasheem Green had the game-winning strip.

The Bengals ran it 15 times for only 34 yards. As a team they had four fumbles.

Clowney’s presence has immediately been felt.
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thunderkyss said:
If all he needs to be DPOY in Seattle is to get his game legs & learn the playbook... I'm assuming he had game legs here so he must not have known the playbook.

Otherwise he'd have been DPOY here.
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Ok, I wasn't considering the dpoy part. Thought it was just hyperbole on Rico's part.

Looked to me like he had a quality grasp of the playbook here.
 
thunderkyss said:
If all he needs to be DPOY in Seattle is to get his game legs & learn the playbook... I'm assuming he had game legs here so he must not have known the playbook.

Otherwise he'd have been DPOY here.
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Maybe he wasn’t being used to the best of his abilities here? RAC is known for not playing to his players strengths and sticking to his system.
 
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I wish the Texans had handled the Clowney situation better, and he was still on the team, but I think he just had a typical Clowney game. A couple of flashes (a TFL, ran the QB down out of bounds, a tipped pass) and a neutral zone infraction which turned 3rd and 11 into 3rd and 6 and a conversion for a 1st down. I watched most of the game, but it's not like he was terrorizing the O-line and they couldn't contain him.
 
DocBar said:
It's hard to win games when only 4 players control over 50% of the salary cap.
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Perhaps but that's not what is happening with the Texans at least for this season. JJ Watts at 14.6 million + Hopkins at 14 million are the top two and then the next two drop down to only 9 million of cap space. I think the Texans are establishing the roster in relationship to the cap rules very well. The issue and we don't know the results now is how well the lower cap figured players will perform. In fact, only 10 players are above $4 million. Of those ten Roby, Colvin and Joseph will probably be gone in 2020. I don't understand the thinking in your post or why others agreed with it. Please explain why you posted this?
 
Seahawks win opener despite themselves, 21-20 over Bengals, thanks to Lockett, Clowney

Read more here: https://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/nfl/seattle-seahawks/article234814467.html#storylink=cpy


Clowney debuted for the Seahawks with his first sack, a pass batted down that the 6-foot-5 pass rusher almost intercepted and constant havoc-wreaking in Cincinnati’s backfield. His first game in nine months, since early January in the playoffs for Houston, came eight days after his trade to the Seahawks.

Read more here: https://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/nfl/seattle-seahawks/article234814467.html#storylink=cpy
 
So Clowney only wanted slightly more than Clark and Lawrence. So basically the Texans tagged him to trade him. It backfired like everything else OB does.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Ok, I wasn't considering the dpoy part. Thought it was just hyperbole on Rico's part.

Looked to me like he had a quality grasp of the playbook here.
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its a laughably immature comment to make. to argue for the sake of arguing. JD was tasked with the elephant position for RAC. He had to know all the gap assignments for the DL - AND ALSO pass coverage integrity for his position on certain alignments. He's not shooting the A gap for the hell of it. In Seattle he will be asked to focus on playing in the backfield and it's what he does best thus I am being serious when I say at the end of the year JD will be in the DPOY pool of players. The guy hadnt done anything football related since January and to come out there and shine like he did was impressive as hell and all these guys trying to diminish that are just insecure about the state of the defense now that he's gone.

EDIT: Oh hey look its in the NFL forum now!! YAY! Now all the whiny baby die hards can stop crying.
 
Uncle Rico said:
its a laughably immature comment to make. to argue for the sake of arguing. JD was tasked with the elephant position for RAC. He had to know all the gap assignments for the DL - AND ALSO pass coverage integrity for his position on certain alignments. He's not shooting the A gap for the hell of it. In Seattle he will be asked to focus on playing in the backfield and it's what he does best thus I am being serious when I say at the end of the year JD will be in the DPOY pool of players. The guy hadnt done anything football related since January and to come out there and shine like he did was impressive as hell and all these guys trying to diminish that are just insecure about the state of the defense now that he's gone.

EDIT: Oh hey look its in the NFL forum now!! YAY! Now all the whiny baby die hards can stop crying.
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We shall see, I wish nothing but the best for Clowney and hope he does well except when he plays the Texans.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Clowney didn't do much today.

I solo tackle, 1 assisted tackle and a pat down.
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paycheck71 said:
I wish the Texans had handled the Clowney situation better, and he was still on the team, but I think he just had a typical Clowney game. A couple of flashes (a TFL, ran the QB down out of bounds, a tipped pass) and a neutral zone infraction which turned 3rd and 11 into 3rd and 6 and a conversion for a 1st down. I watched most of the game, but it's not like he was terrorizing the O-line and they couldn't contain him.
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I watched most of the game & these are the correct answers. This thread should've been closed a long time ago but the i told you so crowd is gonna keep it open in attempts to try to prove something. It was a typical JD game...a flash here & there, but for the most part, largely not a factor. The most significant defensive plays for the seahawks he was either not a factor or in a few instances, he wasn't even on the field. Ok, he jumped on Dalton's back when he was already running out of bounds behind the LOS...give him a sack for that..:rolleyes:. He's going to have the quietest 12 sacks you've ever seen.

Should be noted too that the bengals are rebuilding, were down 1 of their biggest playmakers in Joe Mixon most of the 2nd half, & without AJ Green. Dalton was only sacked within the pocket 3 times but still threw for 418 yds & 2 sticks...None of that points to anyone on that seahawks d-line "wreaking havoc".

DK Metcalf tho....:texanbill:..might have to see about picking him up on the waiver wire for my FF squad.
 
Interesting stuff from LZ this morning on JD (that I had never heard before).:
LZ stated some of JD’s teammates were not happy with his lack of pass rush development. Stated some guys were openly wondering why it took 4 years for JD to spend the offseason with a pass rush specialist in an effort to better his craft. Given how LZ was phrasing things, JJ was clearly one of those teammates who wasn’t thrilled with him….or his practice habits.

As we continue to learn more, it is becoming clearer and clearer why he was traded and that he was never going to be here long term.
 
zshawn10 said:
Interesting stuff from LZ this morning on JD (that I had never heard before).:
LZ stated some of JD’s teammates were not happy with his lack of pass rush development. Stated some guys were openly wondering why it took 4 years for JD to spend the offseason with a pass rush specialist in an effort to better his craft. Given how LZ was phrasing things, JJ was clearly one of those teammates who wasn’t thrilled with him….or his practice habits.

As we continue to learn more, it is becoming clearer and clearer why he was traded and that he was never going to be here long term.
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Yep,

What this really came down to was 2 things

1. They need the $$$$ to get Tunsil/Watson/Watt resigned.
2. There was only enough $$$$ to sign 1 of Watt/Clowney and there's no doubt for other than football reasons which one that Cal was going to choose.
 
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TheKDog said:
Seattle fans couldn’t wait to see the impact of edge defender Jadeveon Clowney, and he didn’t disappoint. He made several key plays, but his impact took significant attention away from other defenders. None more important than the role played by Quinton Jefferson, who recorded multiple pressures on the day.

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-nfl-week-1-pff-refocused-seattle-seahawks-21-cincinnati-bengals-20


I think the real story is how he's drawing double teams and teammates had career days.
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Lol, so that's what you're running with? he can help create for others, just not for himself huh? That's the story YOU want to tell, but time will tell if that same story is one Seattle or anyone else will be willing to drop 5 years 110+ million for.
 
Mr teX said:
Lol, so that's what you're running with? he can help create for others, just not for himself huh? That's the story YOU want to tell, but time will tell if that same story is one Seattle or anyone else will be willing to drop 5 years 110+ million for.
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That's a story a lot of people are telling. Clowney was the most double teamed edge rusher last year.
 
TheKDog said:
That's a story a lot of people are telling. Clowney was the most double teamed edge rusher last year.
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JD double teams himself b/c he can't consistently win outside like true edge defenders. if he could, he'd probably have his 5/110+ million already.
 
Tweet from @riversmccown: Jadeveon Clowney's Seahawks debut:
- 1 sack
- 1 run stuff
- 1 PBU
- Couple of other hurries
- drew a hold
- in neutral zone once (obviously)
- didn't play a full compliment of snaps https://t.co/Axvhbm9LvA
 
zshawn10 said:
Interesting stuff from LZ this morning on JD (that I had never heard before).:
LZ stated some of JD’s teammates were not happy with his lack of pass rush development. Stated some guys were openly wondering why it took 4 years for JD to spend the offseason with a pass rush specialist in an effort to better his craft. Given how LZ was phrasing things, JJ was clearly one of those teammates who wasn’t thrilled with him….or his practice habits.

As we continue to learn more, it is becoming clearer and clearer why he was traded and that he was never going to be here long term.
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I find it odd not a lot is being said out of the locker room. I understand not a lot that I'd expect them to say, but the way they're acting, seems like... almost like nothing happened at all.
 
Lol @ OBrien and Watts locker room “culture” .. Watt is just jealous being in the twilight of his career and hated sharing the spotlight. OBrien just curried favor and hurt the team in order to satisfy the “culture”.

Now they can both reap what they sow.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Lol @ OBrien and Watts locker room “culture” .. Watt is just jealous being in the twilight of his career and hated sharing the spotlight. OBrien just curried favor and hurt the team in order to satisfy the “culture”.

Now they can both reap what they sow.
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They can only pay one and with the community ties Watt has there was no way Clowney was coming back. Personally I would let them both walk after their contracts expired and drafted less of an injury risk.

But we both know that's not going to happen.
 
Max said:
That doesn't seem reasonable. I think that the better plan would be to postulate how every play missed on the defense would have been different if JD was playing instead.
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After last nights game I'd call that comment prophetic.
 
steelbtexan said:
They can only pay one and with the community ties Watt has there was no way Clowney was coming back. Personally I would let them both walk after their contracts expired and drafted less of an injury risk.

But we both know that's not going to happen.
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Yea but they only had to pay JD one more year and then after the 2019 season they'd get a new offseason for a doover for the fiasco we just went thru in recent months and that's a win-win-win: you get Cloweny for the 2019 season, don't have to pay him again after 2019, and get something approaching reasonable value for him in a trade after the 1019 season.
 
I love Watt but he hasn't been the same since injuries and now he's 30.

Clowney is now the better player.

Sad thing is they complemented each other very well. Clowneys disruption allowed Watt to just rush the passer with single coverage.

Oh well. This is what bill OBrien wanted right?
 
Minkah Fitzpatrick is now available to seek a trade. Miami probably wants another first round pick.

Would have been cool, you know, to trade one #1 pick player for another #1 player.

Just saying. Not that it could have happened.
 
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