They probably shouldn't have.
But they are the Texans org.
Whatever they do will turn out to be the wrong decision.
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The New New JaDeveon Clowney Thread
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They probably shouldn't have.
But they are the Texans org.
Whatever they do will turn out to be the wrong decision.
Whatever makes you think his doctors even knew, much less told Clowney about the long term ramifications of his surgery? Are you that confidant with the Texans medical staff?
BS unless you are willing to take much less than market value if no franchise QB there
He said Olsen is the contract dude... why are you blaming OB for that?
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
Where did I say Olsen is the GM? You obviously don’t understand the current FO arrangement which just makes your Credibility even more bizarre. BTW, RS already has shot down your “firing the GM” crap.
Value is the key word and as has been mentioned, it takes two
And?
BS, you are really reaching now. Olsen negotiates what can work under the cap and then submits it for approval
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
Olsen is the primary contract negotiator and the salary cap administrator. It’s more complicated than you understand. Do you actually believe, meanwhile, Cal isn’t involved? This contract is a huge part of the salary cap and other contract negotiations that are taking place now. And where do you get this 75$ MM offer other than this forum. I’ve never seen anything about that anywhere seems the franchise tag decision was made pretty early.
I never said 75 mil , @steelbtexan did.
Of course several people including the owner have input but putting it on Olsen to give OBrien a pass is laughable. Per aaron wilson O'Brien is the GM
Never said or implied that HE makes any decisions. HE does negotiate with the players agents and then discusses it with the owner/brain trust
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
Oh of course. Why didn’t you say so before. Aaron Wilson said he’s the GM. Gotta hang your credibility on that source and not Cal McNairs press conference where he outlined the FO office responsibilities spreading the GM function to a “GM team” that he’s currently heading.
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
Let’s end this. Show me your source that shows OB putting value on Clowney’s contract and please don’t say Aaron Wilson, lol.
Pure speculation on your part and Wilson is some kind on un-failable insider now that posts nothing but truth for click-bait? Get real man and use your own brain
Reading comprehension a problem? No one is blaming Olsen. You just want to put everything on OB even when you have no clue if he has pushed for a deal to have been made and Cal shot it down
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
You and your buds are the ones that trashed these guys and everything Texans. Nobody claimed anything about Olsen other than his responsibilities outlined by Cal. prove at the same time Clowney’s negotiations were even botched. Are you actually willing to give an unassailable contract level for Clowney? Do it. Show us and the Texans what they should have signed him for and why. Seems they just want to franchise him and really haven’t changed that plan.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
I don’t think so. He hasn’t signed his tag yet so he isn’t technically part of the team. They just hold his rights.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
No matter what the peripherals are......the Texans don't think Clowney is worth what he and his agent are asking and Clowney and his agent think they're worth more than than what the Texans are offering. How did it get to this point? Piss-poor management is a really good start. Now the team finds itself in quandary and Clowney and his agent holding the cards. I think the only way Clowney agrees to a trade is if it's with the right organization. I like the idea of the following deals:
1. Clowney to the Redskins for LT, Williams
2. Clowney to the Eagles for LT, Dillard.....this couldn't be a straight-up deal since Dillard is still an unproven commodity. maybe the Texans could get a Conditional Pick in the later rounds included.
Is there anyone in the organization that is savvy enough to make a deal like this happen? Probably not, which means another season of bad management and coaching. Didn't say the season would be bad b/c to be quite frank about the team.....they could win despite the morons running the show, both in the back office and on the field.
1. Clowney to the Redskins for LT, Williams
2. Clowney to the Eagles for LT, Dillard.....this couldn't be a straight-up deal since Dillard is still an unproven commodity. maybe the Texans could get a Conditional Pick in the later rounds included.
Is there anyone in the organization that is savvy enough to make a deal like this happen? Probably not, which means another season of bad management and coaching. Didn't say the season would be bad b/c to be quite frank about the team.....they could win despite the morons running the show, both in the back office and on the field.
Because Clowney can't be extended until the offseason, the Texans have lost leverage to make deal #2 happen. Dillard is the Eagles future LT, and that is too valuable, as Texans fans can attest.
The Texans could use Trent Williams, for sure. Why do the Skins want Clowney? They have Kerrigan and 1st rounder Sweat on the edge. I think they would prefer draft picks for Williams. I'm sure someone would pony up decent picks for Williams.
Here's the point that I'm still puzzled about which has a lot to do with the potential value the Texans could receive in a trade ?
If the Texans were to trade Clowney sometime this season would the team who he's traded to also then be able to franchise tag him again for the 2020 season if they are unable or unwilling to negotiate a new long-term/multi-year contract with him at the conclusion of the 2019 season ?
Yes, that team could tag Clowney in 2020.
Mangler
Toro de España
Right? It’s like even after he done ran off everyone he could possibly point the figure to, he manages to find yet another scapegoat.
Ok so that clearly means that any potential trading partner with the Texans could assume the same leverage the Texans would have with Clowney at the conclusion
of the 2019 season if he were to remain on the Texans roster.
TY for that clarification Lucky.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Yep, and I think that is the conundrum they find themselves in.
I don't think OB wants Clowney. This is based off of what Cecil Shorts has been saying. He's been way out front on a lot of this stuff and brought up potential issues months ago.
The Texans have options, but I don't think they can move him at this point for fair value given the circumstances.
Sure, but how many teams want to bring in a dilemma like that? That's why the Texans could only get pennies on the dollar trading Clowney now.
The coach doesn't want him.
The player doesn't want to be here.
Other teams see him as a rental they might be able to flip.
But, this organization knows what they're doing. Just ask some of the fans here.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Keep in mind to be tagged two straight years, the team must pay 120 percent of the player's previous salary + they will find themselves in the same position the Texans are in this year.
cameronkrazie86
Rookie
I hope for Clowney's sake that if he does come play this season for Houston that it's an injury free season. I'll be curious to see how he holds up given no training camp and with his injury history. I really wish the Texans had either extended him or traded him months ago but alas here were are so can only hope for the best.
I agree with you on the Redskins but I think if Philly wanted Clowneyfor Dillard is a fair swap. If all goes according to plan for Philadelphia Dillard won’t see the field this season. They also have solid back ups as well.
Clowney would instantly be their best DL and is a terrific scheme fit. I think it pushes them to the top of the list in the NFC. If Clowney doesn’t want to resign then Philadelphia should be able to use the franchise tag and trade him (if I’m not mistaken)
In respect to the franchise tag. Were it not for the tag they may very well have caved to Clowney's demands. Who knows?
Although the plan would be for the new team to extend him. Otherwise clowney won't sign the tag and that team will be in the same bad situation
Understand that which of course is why we missed a better chance to deal him for value before the July 15 deadline.
I think it's pretty clear JD will be here in town shortly and it's gonna be interesting to see what kind of shape he's in at that time, both physically and mentally/psychologically ?
badboy
Hall of Fame
I thought so but earlier this year found tags do not transfer. Will look for CBA link but no time now.
Clowney will sign his tender, at some point. Will that be prior to the trade deadline (10/29)? Or the deadline to sign the tender (11/12)? The new team can plan all they want. But if Clowney tears up his knee, that's not happening.
If traded he can sign a multi year deal before he plays. But running out of time for that
Time ran out on that on 7/15. All Clowney can get is his tender, prorated if he signs after week 1.
Texans can't sign him to a multi year but another team can if he's traded is my understanding
No, that's been brought up several times here. Clowney cannot sign a tender with any team but the Texans and only for the franchise tag amount for this season. Once signed, Clowney could be traded. But, he can't re-sign until after the season.
Link
That seems to say only the Texans can't sign him to a multi year.
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The designated franchise player will have his one-year salary guaranteed if he elects to play for the team that designated him with the franchise tag and if he does not negotiate a contract with another team.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchise_tag
The designated franchise player will have his one-year salary guaranteed if he elects to play for the team that designated him with the franchise tag and if he does not negotiate a contract with another team.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchise_tag
Max
Veteran
It does. But literally everyone is reporting that he can't be extended by other teams as well as the Texans past July 15. The CBA language and language cited here is apparently like the tax code where it is poorly written but there is a general consensus of what it means because of past rulings on interpretation.
When Clowney signs the franchise tender, his contract can be transferred to another club (prior to the trade deadline). But the stipulations remain.
Clowney could sign an offer sheet from another club. And the Texans could match it, or accept 2 1st round picks from that team in compensation. Do you think that's happening? It hasn't happened yet. That's the only way Clowney can get a multiyear deal this year.