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The New New JaDeveon Clowney Thread

Texecutioner said:
I don't remember anyone saying Bortles would boom! I was one of the ones that was very high on him, and I still am. He has potential, and he would have easily been a better pick. That can't be argued at all at this point. BOrtles has put up some really nice numbers offensively as of late. His INT numbers need to go down, but his yards keep increasing and he is getting more TD passes. He needs more weapons, and a better defense and he'd have more wins.
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I didnt mean it in a snide way Tex, its interesting looking back when alot didnt want Bortles at 1, and somehow wanted him to do bad to vindicate their spite. Truth is I'd bet most here would be happy with a Bortles at 1 last year, myself included.
 
Texecutioner said:
I don't remember anyone saying Bortles would boom! I was one of the ones that was very high on him, and I still am. He has potential, and he would have easily been a better pick. That can't be argued at all at this point. BOrtles has put up some really nice numbers offensively as of late. His INT numbers need to go down, but his yards keep increasing and he is getting more TD passes. He needs more weapons, and a better defense and he'd have more wins.
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Not sure if you've watched Bortles any this season or if you're just looking at the stat lines, but Bortles is total garbage. Besides the INT's, he's fumbled 5 times this season in 8 games. He's had one good game this season. Hoyer's got better stats than Bortles, but I'm not spending the #1 overall pick on Hoyer. Bortles is getting more passing yards and TD's in garbage time
 
mussop said:
You also said Blake bortles was going to be the next great qb. Just sayin.
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Yes he did, AND?

Blake Bortles is currently

9th in passing yards per game.
9th in TD passes at 17 which has a log jam of several guys tied at 18 and 19, so he is right there with even a few elite QB's right now.
4th in INT's at 10 (Not a good stat)
Jaguars Defense is 3rd in points allowed per game average at 29.3 (Horrible stat for a QB to be up against)

Bortles is on a terrible team with a defense that gives up a ton of points to every opponent. He has to put up points to even hang in these games, and he is doing that. He needs to cut down on his TO's, but a lot of that has to do with being a young QB and being in games where he is forced to throw a lot and teams know he'll be throwing. He has found a nice weapon at receiver, and a few less mistakes down the stretch of some of his games, and they are looking a lot better. Bortles is coming along pretty nicely, and if he continues to progress he'll get that team winning. It's inevitable on the route he is currently progressing on.
 
mussop said:
You also said Blake bortles was going to be the next great qb. Just sayin.
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I said he would be a first rd draft pick and could be the first QB off the board and would be a starting franchise QB in the NFL...the jury is still out on Bortles....... just sayin.
 
Uncle Rico said:
I didnt mean it in a snide way Tex, its interesting looking back when alot didnt want Bortles at 1, and somehow wanted him to do bad to vindicate their spite. Truth is I'd bet most here would be happy with a Bortles at 1 last year, myself included.
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Didn't take it that way. No worries. I understand people not wanting Bortles to do well though, because he is a Jag and in our division. I want him to do bad as well, so that he won't be a big threat. When I can root for him individually I will though. He seems like a good kid, and it sucked to see him go to the Jags. That organization will do a great job of holding him back any way.

I see that Bridgewater is doing pretty well in the win column at least.
 
Texecutioner said:
Yes he did, AND?

Blake Bortles is currently

9th in passing yards per game.
9th in TD passes at 17 which has a log jam of several guys tied at 18 and 19, so he is right there with even a few elite QB's right now.
4th in INT's at 10 (Not a good stat)
Jaguars Defense is 3rd in points allowed per game average at 29.3 (Horrible stat for a QB to be up against)

Bortles is on a terrible team with a defense that gives up a ton of points to every opponent. He has to put up points to even hang in these games, and he is doing that. He needs to cut down on his TO's, but a lot of that has to do with being a young QB and being in games where he is forced to throw a lot and teams know he'll be throwing. He has found a nice weapon at receiver, and a few less mistakes down the stretch of some of his games, and they are looking a lot better. Bortles is coming along pretty nicely, and if he continues to progress he'll get that team winning. It's inevitable on the route he is currently progressing on.
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Bortles is also on his 2nd offensive coordinator and his 2nd offense in as many years. A little continuity would also help with his progression. There has been a very positive noticeable difference in his play this year vs his rookie year.
 
Texecutioner said:
Yes he did, AND?

Blake Bortles is currently

9th in passing yards per game.
9th in TD passes at 17 which has a log jam of several guys tied at 18 and 19, so he is right there with even a few elite QB's right now.
4th in INT's at 10 (Not a good stat)
Jaguars Defense is 3rd in points allowed per game average at 29.3 (Horrible stat for a QB to be up against)

Bortles is on a terrible team with a defense that gives up a ton of points to every opponent. He has to put up points to even hang in these games, and he is doing that. He needs to cut down on his TO's, but a lot of that has to do with being a young QB and being in games where he is forced to throw a lot and teams know he'll be throwing. He has found a nice weapon at receiver, and a few less mistakes down the stretch of some of his games, and they are looking a lot better. Bortles is coming along pretty nicely, and if he continues to progress he'll get that team winning. It's inevitable on the route he is currently progressing on.
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Hoyer has better Completion%, YPA, TD%, INT%, Rating and half the sacks. They have virtually the same YPG 257 v. 249. This is technically Hoyer's second year as a starter, so they have about the same number of career games under their belts.

And Hoyer is on a terrible team with a defense that gives up a ton of points to every opponent. He has to put up point to even hang in these games. He is being forced to throw a lot and teams know he'll be throwing. He has found a nice weapon at receiver, and a few less mistakes down the stretch in some of his games, and they are looking a lot better.

So congrats, you're now using Brian Freaking Hoyer as a benchmark for Bortles playing well.
 
Texecutioner said:
I don't remember anyone saying Bortles would boom! I was one of the ones that was very high on him, and I still am. He has potential, and he would have easily been a better pick. That can't be argued at all at this point. BOrtles has put up some really nice numbers offensively as of late. His INT numbers need to go down, but his yards keep increasing and he is getting more TD passes. He needs more weapons, and a better defense and he'd have more wins.
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You have too high of an opinion of what it takes to argue. I'm still ready to argue Craig Morton was better...
 
It's hilarious people trying to compare Clowney to the likes of Leaf and Russell. Just goes to show how desperate they are to be right. Even funnier is watching them make all these excuses for Bortles. Luck has been on a terrible team since he entered the league and he did not need all of the excuses @Texian and @Texecutioner are making. And for the record Bortles has Hurns and Robinson.
The pair are first teammates to have at least 600 yards receiving and six touchdowns through the first eight games since Randy Moss and Wes Welker did it for the New England Patriots in 2007.
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I'd say he has some pretty good weapons, not to mention T.J. Yeldon who's averaging 4.1 YPC. Oh, an this guy called Julius Thomas who is a top 5 TE when healthy. So I am not sure what you mean when you talk about how Bortles just needs more weapons to earn more wins. Seems like that offense is pretty stacked to me.

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...-hurns-allen-robinson-breakout-seasons-111015
 
Long ago people said David Carr just needed more weapons and he'd be a winner.... Just saying.

I'm not going to call Clown a bust because injuries happen to good players all the time but I am disappointed in how his career turned out. I'm sure he is a little disappointed in that too. Should he never amount to anything then I'm sure $22 million dollars will go a long way toward making that feel better for him but for the Texans it's a big missed opportunity. Not anyone's fault but it's not working out. Not like anybody had hoped it would.
 
sandman said:
Hoyer has better Completion%, YPA, TD%, INT%, Rating and half the sacks. They have virtually the same YPG 257 v. 249. This is technically Hoyer's second year as a starter, so they have about the same number of career games under their belts.

And Hoyer is on a terrible team with a defense that gives up a ton of points to every opponent. He has to put up point to even hang in these games. He is being forced to throw a lot and teams know he'll be throwing. He has found a nice weapon at receiver, and a few less mistakes down the stretch in some of his games, and they are looking a lot better.

So congrats, you're now using Brian Freaking Hoyer as a benchmark for Bortles playing well.
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Bortles is a 2nd year player at QB. He isn't a guy thats been in the league since 2009 like Hoyer whose been shifted around to 5 different teams. He was the #3 draft pick, and the entire point was that he is developing well with all things considered. You trying to pull out some stats to make them say what you want them to say for Hoyer in this discussion was a strong reach to try and make any improvements from Bortles as insignificant. Hoyer is a one year player here, and next year he'll be on his sixth team. They aren't comparable at all as to where each player is in their careers right now.
 
Texecutioner said:
Bortles is a 2nd year player at QB. He isn't a guy thats been in the league since 2009 like Hoyer whose been shifted around to 5 different teams. He was the #3 draft pick, and the entire point was that he is developing well with all things considered. You trying to pull out some stats to make them say what you want them to say for Hoyer in this discussion was a strong reach to try and make any improvements from Bortles as insignificant. Hoyer is a one year player here, and next year he'll be on his sixth team. They aren't comparable at all as to where each player is in their careers right now.
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You pulled out stats to try and say that Bortles is getting better b/c that's the only way your argument could even be considered legit... he damn sure isn't leading his team to wins to prove that argument.. All Sandman did was use your argument against you. How long each of these guys has been in the league is just about irrelevant considering the fact that both are pretty much in the same boat as it pertains to starting experience. All Bortles has shown this year is that he isn't the worst, most inaccurate turnover machine of qb that some thought he might be during his rookie campaign last year....He's had 2 games this year that can even be remotely considered good and in both of those he threw a pick and were against not very good teams...Sounds alot like Brian Hoyer to me...
 
Bortles is developing just fine. His stats aren't elite but he's not playing on a team that would allow him to put up elite stats. He's a young QB. What young QB puts up elite stats? Watching him play he seems to have figured things out, he's got a great arm, he's tough, mobile, makes plays. And mistakes. He'll get better.

In other words, Clowney missed practice again so he's probably out this week as usual.
 
Dre_80 said:
Bortles is developing just fine. His stats aren't elite but he's not playing on a team that would allow him to put up elite stats. He's a young QB. What young QB puts up elite stats? Watching him play he seems to have figured things out, he's got a great arm, he's tough, mobile, makes plays. And mistakes. He'll get better.

In other words, Clowney missed practice again so he's probably out this week as usual.
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It's just a comical attempt to take a stab at one guy, because their embarrassed about the two years of poor arguments for Clowney that have sunk miserably.
 
Mr teX said:
You pulled out stats to try and say that Bortles is getting better b/c that's the only way your argument could even be considered legit... he damn sure isn't leading his team to wins to prove that argument.. All Sandman did was use your argument against you. How long each of these guys has been in the league is just about irrelevant considering the fact that both are pretty much in the same boat as it pertains to starting experience. All Bortles has shown this year is that he isn't the worst, most inaccurate turnover machine of qb that some thought he might be during his rookie campaign last year....He's had 2 games this year that can even be remotely considered good and in both of those he threw a pick and were against not very good teams...Sounds alot like Brian Hoyer to me...
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Bortles is a 2nd year player that is only half way through the season on a terrible team. Are you going to throw whatever common sense you might have left out the window and make believe that players his age are supposed to be putting up Tom Brady types of stats on a team as poorly ran by the Jags? It may be a surprise, but I know you aren't that ignorant. He plays nothing like Brian Hoyer, and if we had a 2nd year QB on the Texans doing what Bortles has this year, you'd be riding his jock like you do every other poor performing player the Texans have just like you are with our wasted draft pick in Clowney. We both know that, so you might as well just cop to it and save the rest of us the time. Hoyer has been on 5 teams and only got to start here because we had no clue how Mallet would play out. It was a smart move by the Texans. Hoyer hasn't been nearly as bad as many including yourself have tried to paint him as either. He has a terrible offensive line, a non existent running game, one good WR, no TE, and a HC that has coached very sloppy this season combined with one of the worst defenses in the league. Hoyer has had a lot stacked against him as well. People on this board just hated that we ever got him, so they're determined to scream about him every chance they get. But trying to act like Bortles and him share any similarity is just a pathetic attempt to apologize for the Texans wasted draft pick on Clowney.

The fact is just about any player in the first 5 rounds was a better draft pick than Clowney. We're no longer comparing CLowney to early first rounders. We're now comparing him to 7th rounders and beyond. His production might as well be that of a walk on.
 
So if we're ready to move on from Jaxsonville's QB discussion, back to the injured Clowney....

Jadeveon Clowney may not be suiting up for the Texans Monday night game at Cincinnati. The second-year linebacker has been sidelined with a back injury he suffered in Week 8 against the Tennessee Titans.

“I would say day- to-day again,” head coach Bill O’Brien said Friday. “I don’t, I really don’t know. He’s dealing with a back issue and it’s painful, so we’ve got to give it a little more time. I would say he would be unlikely to play on Monday night though.” ....
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http://www.houstontexans.com/news/a...ncinnati/97e2cdb0-aefe-4ab6-bf06-fa28e608a513
 
Why do we have mods just deleting stuff without giving any reasons? Being butthurt doesn't count.

Anyway: http://houston.cbslocal.com/2015/11/12/is-jj-watt-sending-jadeveon-clowney/

Is JJ Watt Sending Jadeveon Clowney A Message

Houston (CBS HOUSTON) – The Houston Texans are hoping that the combination of JJ Watt and Jadeveon Clowney become a dynamic tandem of pass rushers for the team’s defense.

On Wednesday Watt was asked how it felt to have Clowney back from his most recent injury issue. JJ Watt answered the question and then went on to praise the guy who replaces Clowney when the former number one overall pick misses time.

“It’s good. I think Whitney (Mercilus) played a heck of a game,” Watt told reporters Wednesday. “You look at what Whitney did out there, he had 3.5 sacks. If you give him the one where he got the facemask penalty, it’s 4.5. The guy is playing great football, so you have to give him credit.”

Watt wasn’t asked about Whitney Mercilus during his media session, but praised the linebacker who was rewarded for a good season filling in for Clowney in 2014 with a new contract before the 2015 season before being moved around and used as a secondary outside linebacker to Clowney.
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Texecutioner said:
Bortles is a 2nd year player that is only half way through the season on a terrible team. Are you going to throw whatever common sense you might have left out the window and make believe that players his age are supposed to be putting up Tom Brady types of stats on a team as poorly ran by the Jags? It may be a surprise, but I know you aren't that ignorant. He plays nothing like Brian Hoyer, and if we had a 2nd year QB on the Texans doing what Bortles has this year, you'd be riding his jock like you do every other poor performing player the Texans have just like you are with our wasted draft pick in Clowney. We both know that, so you might as well just cop to it and save the rest of us the time. Hoyer has been on 5 teams and only got to start here because we had no clue how Mallet would play out. It was a smart move by the Texans. Hoyer hasn't been nearly as bad as many including yourself have tried to paint him as either. He has a terrible offensive line, a non existent running game, one good WR, no TE, and a HC that has coached very sloppy this season combined with one of the worst defenses in the league. Hoyer has had a lot stacked against him as well. People on this board just hated that we ever got him, so they're determined to scream about him every chance they get. But trying to act like Bortles and him share any similarity is just a pathetic attempt to apologize for the Texans wasted draft pick on Clowney.

The fact is just about any player in the first 5 rounds was a better draft pick than Clowney. We're no longer comparing CLowney to early first rounders. We're now comparing him to 7th rounders and beyond. His production might as well be that of a walk on.
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Bortles shows improvement from terrible to below avg and your pulling out every excuse to defend him....

Clowney trying to make it back from a devastating knee injury...something beyond his control and playing on a similarly horrible team and its no excuses allowed....

you have zero consistency and it clearly shows your bias.

This is just more of you trying to defend your apparently infallible opinions/drivel.....as usual.

I didn't care for Bortles coming out and so far he has done little to make me think otherwise. Cripling pick 6's, fumbles and general accuracy issues....no reason to think thats gonna go away after 20 starts in the league. Don't presume to know what I would think or would do. Bottles at this point Is squarely on the Ryan Tannehill track of avg/below average qb play and we all know what that's gotten the Dolphins...nothing..just like Clowney and his production.

You want facts? The fact is he as the 3rd overall pick in the draft is probably just as much if not more of a disappointment than Clowney has been as the #1 overall pick because of the position he plays.....especially with Derek Carr doing what hes doing and both Carr and Teddy B getting ready to face off this sunday having both their teams squarely in the playoff hunt. Meanwhile Bortles has the jags in last place of a terrible division, is leading the league in pick 6's and still has yet to lead his team to a road win since hes been the starter.
 
Mr teX said:
Bortles shows improvement from terrible to below avg and your pulling out every excuse to defend him....

Clowney trying to make it back from a devastating knee injury...something beyond his control and playing on a similarly horrible team and its no excuses allowed....

you have zero consistency and it clearly shows your bias.

This is just more of you trying to defend your apparently infallible opinions/drivel.....as usual.
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There is nothing difficult about this at all for me. Clwoney is one of the worst starters in the league at any position. You're not getting it. He is awful, and has been criticized heavily by National media members who aren't married to the Texans as fans. They just report what they see, and many have started to suggest that Clowney is approaching Jamarcus Russell level bust status




Mr teX said:
You want facts? The fact is he as the 3rd overall pick in the draft is probably just as much if not more of a disappointment than Clowney has been as the #1 overall pick because of the position he plays.....especially with Derek Carr doing what hes doing and both Carr and Teddy B getting ready to face off this sunday having both their teams squarely in the playoff hunt. Meanwhile Bortles has the jags in last place of a terrible division, is leading the league in pick 6's and still has yet to lead his team to a road win since hes been the starter.
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Bridgewater? Lol! You make arguments so easy. Do you even check stats before piping off like this. Bridgewater only has 6 TD's and 6 INTS's this year. Bridgewater hasn't done anything special. His coaches let AP run the ball like crazy, and their defense does the rest. Bridgewater isn't doing anything special. And even if he was, how would that change anything about Bortles? Is your argument that weak that you have to drag out other QB's, because you can't come up with squat for Clowney?? This is pathetic. Lol! Clowney's play this year has been non existent for most of the year, and all you Clowney homers can do is start naming out other players. Then when you guys don't even look that stuff up, and aren't objective about any progression, you bring out other QB's in the same draft when that has nothing to do with the argument. Derek Carr is having a great year though, and so far looks like the best QB of all of the guys that are currently starting. But his level of play is no type of knock on Bortles. Its a just a credit to him.

You ever heard of Khalil Mack??? He was the main guy I and a few others begged the Texans to draft if they weren't going to go with a QB. Dude has been a stud. He was easily a much better and safer pick than Clowney and fit our defense a lot better than straw man Clowney.
 
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He is officially a bust. Whiny little always injured "entitled" American. Hope he gets Vagisil in his Christmas stocking. He should have been cut with DJ Swag ................ they are the same person. All hype no substance.
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kingtexan said:
He is officially a bust. Whiny little always injured "entitled" American. Hope he gets Vagisil in his Christmas stocking. He should have been cut with DJ Swag ................ they are the same person. All hype no substance.
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So is the next person who drops BUDS in need of vagisil too? Have you ever stood post for any of these positions where career threatening injury lurks every day?

I don't understand you people. And frankly I don't want to.
 
I think people should understand that they lose any remnants of credibility when they post videos of ESPN First Take ass clowns as some sort of support for their argument.

Didn't even watch that video. I've seen enough in the past to know that I only want to see what makes deadspin as comedy.
 
infantrycak said:
So is the next person who drops BUDS in need of vagisil too? Have you ever stood post for any of these positions where career threatening injury lurks every day?

I don't understand you people. And frankly I don't want to.
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I totally agree, I can understand hating on a player that's not trying to improve himself, or making horrible life choices off the field. Taking the money and go half ass after that, the list goes on. But injuries, no no no. And micro fracture ain't no joke. I just don't consider injured players as bust. Unfortunate, absolutely. Who do we blame for this, scouts, gm's, coaches, the player himself? I don't think anybody, it's just shitty luck.
 
Texecutioner said:
Yes he did, AND?

Blake Bortles is currently

9th in passing yards per game.
9th in TD passes at 17 which has a log jam of several guys tied at 18 and 19, so he is right there with even a few elite QB's right now.
4th in INT's at 10 (Not a good stat)
Jaguars Defense is 3rd in points allowed per game average at 29.3 (Horrible stat for a QB to be up against)

Bortles is on a terrible team with a defense that gives up a ton of points to every opponent. He has to put up points to even hang in these games, and he is doing that. He needs to cut down on his TO's, but a lot of that has to do with being a young QB and being in games where he is forced to throw a lot and teams know he'll be throwing. He has found a nice weapon at receiver, and a few less mistakes down the stretch of some of his games, and they are looking a lot better. Bortles is coming along pretty nicely, and if he continues to progress he'll get that team winning. It's inevitable on the route he is currently progressing on.
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per NFL.com -

Blake Bortles - 22 games - 21 started - 786 att, 455 comp -57.9%
28 TD, 27 INT, 12 Fumbles, 2 lost , 80 sacks

Brian Hoyer - 38 games - 21 started - 845 att, 485 comp - 57.4%
32 TD, 22 INT, 8 Fumbles, 2 lost, 49 sacks

Looks a lot like the same guy in different unis
 
Grams said:
per NFL.com -

Blake Bortles - 22 games - 21 started - 786 att, 455 comp -57.9%
28 TD, 27 INT, 12 Fumbles, 2 lost , 80 sacks

Brian Hoyer - 38 games - 21 started - 845 att, 485 comp - 57.4%
32 TD, 22 INT, 8 Fumbles, 2 lost, 49 sacks

Looks a lot like the same guy in different unis
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Does the fact that Hoyer sat on the bench for 4 years, was 27 years old when he made his first start, in the league for 9 years and 30 years old when he started his 21st game vs Bortles who sat on the bench for 1 game before making his first start, was 22 years old when he made his first start, in the league two years and 23 when he made his 21st start account for anything? Does the fact that thru 8 games in 2015, Bortles has thrown 100% more TDs in 2015 than he did thru 8 games in 2014, and 50% less INTs in 2015 than he threw in 2014 mean anything? How many games do you think Bortles will have started half way thru his 9th season? Does this still sound like these two are still the same player to you?

From another point of view, Peyton Manning and Blake Bortles were both 22 years old when they started their first game and 23 years old when they started their 2nd season and 21st game. Both won 3 games their first year, both threw more INTs than TDs their first year, Peyton had a 56% comp year 1, Bortles a 58% comp year 1. So I ask you wouldn't Peyton Manning and Blake Bortles be closer to being the same player than say Brian Hoyer and Blake Bortles being the same player?
 
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Texecutioner said:
There is nothing difficult about this at all for me. Clwoney is one of the worst starters in the league at any position. You're not getting it. He is awful, and has been criticized heavily by National media members who aren't married to the Texans as fans. They just report what they see, and many have started to suggest that Clowney is approaching Jamarcus Russell level bust status






Bridgewater? Lol! You make arguments so easy. Do you even check stats before piping off like this. Bridgewater only has 6 TD's and 6 INTS's this year. Bridgewater hasn't done anything special. His coaches let AP run the ball like crazy, and their defense does the rest. Bridgewater isn't doing anything special. And even if he was, how would that change anything about Bortles? Is your argument that weak that you have to drag out other QB's, because you can't come up with squat for Clowney?? This is pathetic. Lol! Clowney's play this year has been non existent for most of the year, and all you Clowney homers can do is start naming out other players. Then when you guys don't even look that stuff up, and aren't objective about any progression, you bring out other QB's in the same draft when that has nothing to do with the argument. Derek Carr is having a great year though, and so far looks like the best QB of all of the guys that are currently starting. But his level of play is no type of knock on Bortles. Its a just a credit to him.

You ever heard of Khalil Mack??? He was the main guy I and a few others begged the Texans to draft if they weren't going to go with a QB. Dude has been a stud. He was easily a much better and safer pick than Clowney and fit our defense a lot better than straw man Clowney.
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Wow...maybe you should check stats before spouting off about checking stats. If Mack played for the Texans, this board would be howling about him being a bust.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...experience=&tabSeq=1&qualified=true&Submit=Go
 
Texecutioner said:
Bridgewater? Lol! You make arguments so easy. Do you even check stats before piping off like this. Bridgewater only has 6 TD's and 6 INTS's this year. Bridgewater hasn't done anything special. His coaches let AP run the ball like crazy, and their defense does the rest. Bridgewater isn't doing anything special. And even if he was, how would that change anything about Bortles?
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Bridgewater's stats aren't all that impressive because, as you pointed out, the Vikings do not ask him to carry the team like Carr and they are not always trailing like JAX so he doesn't pad his stats in garbage time. However, he does have 5 fourth-quarter comebacks in 20 careers starts so he has proven that he can win you a game if you need him to. Just last week he led his team down for the leading score and two-point conversion to take the lead late in the game. Unfortunately he got taken out on the following drive by a dirty hit and Chicago came back and tied, although Minnesota was still able to win in OT.

I agree that his production/success has nothing to do with Bortles. I hate when all 3 guys get compared because they are all in very different situations. I think all 3 have shown promise in their own ways. Carr has put Oakland on his back and is making a playoff run, Bortles plays for just a God awful team and is still managing to be productive, and Bridgewater has been an efficient game manager for a playoff contender that wants to lean on its defense and running game and not on its young QB.
 
infantrycak said:
Don't start an 'I'm butthurt over Clowney' thread when there is a Clowney thread.

Seems so simple.
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So why not merge or move my post instead? Why just delete the thread when you knew exactly it should have been posted or moved here? I'm sorry you don't like the negative reports out there on Clowney but deleting stuff doesn't improve his sack total.
 
Dre_80 said:
So why not merge or move my post instead? Why just delete the thread when you knew exactly it should have been posted or moved here? I'm sorry you don't like the negative reports out there on Clowney but deleting stuff doesn't improve his sack total.
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I don't care about negative reports. Post to your heart's content as negative as you want.

Honestly I didn't merge because I was on my phone and for whatever reason can't get that function to work mobile or I would have.
 
OzzO said:
So if we're ready to move on from Jaxsonville's QB discussion, back to the injured Clowney....



http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Jadeveon-Clowney-“unlikely”-for-Monday-night-at-Cincinnati/97e2cdb0-aefe-4ab6-bf06-fa28e608a513
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Texans OLB Jadeveon Clowney (back) was officially ruled out for Week 10 against the Bengals.

Clowney saw some practice time Wednesday, but he sat out the next three sessions. Coach Bill O'Brien called his back injury "minor, but painful." Clowney will have played in just 11-of-25 possible games after Monday night.
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Truly pathetic. Now he's missing games when he's not even injured. You'd think that this guy would do anything in his power to prove people wrong, to try to make up for all the time and games he has missed, him underachieving, by giving extra effort when he's not injured, pushing through pain like every other player would. And yet he just sits back and wants to be 110% before he gets out there again. Roll out the red carpet for him and hand him a Martini, maybe that'll get him on the field.
 
Dre_80 said:
Truly pathetic. Now he's missing games when he's not even injured. You'd think that this guy would do anything in his power to prove people wrong, to try to make up for all the time and games he has missed, him underachieving, by giving extra effort when he's not injured, pushing through pain like every other player would. And yet he just sits back and wants to be 110% before he gets out there again. Roll out the red carpet for him and hand him a Martini, maybe that'll get him on the field.
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How the hell do you bold that and then declare him not injured? That's pathetic.
 
I don't have a problem with JD being out this week. Shooting up a "minor" back injury to play through the pain sounds like a recipe for another major injury. Not shooting up to play through the pain sounds like a recipe for reduced effectiveness and compensatory injury.
 
DocBar said:
I don't have a problem with JD being out this week. Shooting up a "minor" back injury to play through the pain sounds like a recipe for another major injury. Not shooting up to play through the pain sounds like a recipe for reduced effectiveness and compensatory injury.
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Cool. Let's wait until Clowney is at 110%. Give him 2 years off, send him to Hawaii to really relax and get the stress out of his body. Kid is under a lot of pressure, I'm sure mentally he's also not feeling too well.

I apologize if that was too much sarcasm.
 
Texian said:
Does the fact that Hoyer sat on the bench for 4 years, was 27 years old when he made his first start, in the league for 9 years and 30 years old when he started his 21st game vs Bortles who sat on the bench for 1 game before making his first start, was 22 years old when he made his first start, in the league two years and 23 when he made his 21st start account for anything? Does the fact that thru 8 games in 2015, Bortles has thrown 100% more TDs in 2015 than he did thru 8 games in 2014, and 50% less INTs in 2015 than he threw in 2014 mean anything? How many games do you think Bortles will have started half way thru his 9th season? Does this still sound like these two are still the same player to you?

From another point of view, Peyton Manning and Blake Bortles were both 22 years old when they started their first game and 23 years old when they started their 2nd season and 21st game. Both won 3 games their first year, both threw more INTs than TDs their first year, Peyton had a 56% comp year 1, Bortles a 58% comp year 1. So I ask you wouldn't Peyton Manning and Blake Bortles be closer to being the same player than say Brian Hoyer and Blake Bortles being the same player?
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Peyton was not in the discussion at the time.
 
paycheck71 said:
I think people should understand that they lose any remnants of credibility when they post videos of ESPN First Take ass clowns as some sort of support for their argument.

Didn't even watch that video. I've seen enough in the past to know that I only want to see what makes deadspin as comedy.
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Ha! Screamin' A. Smith of all people. I wonder if he had a bag of cheese doodles under his desk to cram in his mouth during commercial break.

You're could not be more correct about credibility. LOLOL!

And Texecutioner, why don't you re-write that post of yours and switch Bortles and Clowney's names around. You might find it eye-opening.
 
I dont know how this thread has turned into the bortles thread. I didn't like the clowney pick because i dont think he can become a top flight pass rusher do to his stiffness. If he can get healthy, I do believe he can be a high end and productive player as a 3-4 lde like justin smith and calais campbell.
 
leebigeztx said:
I dont know how this thread has turned into the bortles thread. I didn't like the clowney pick because i dont think he can become a top flight pass rusher do to his stiffness. If he can get healthy, I do believe he can be a high end and productive player as a 3-4 lde like justin smith and calais campbell.
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He'd have to bulk up about 20lbs for that. 4-3 is his best suit. People wanna see Clowney and Mercilus on the field together .....4-3. Put Watt and Covington inside. BA BOOM
 
PHILLYTEXANFAN said:
He'd have to bulk up about 20lbs for that. 4-3 is his best suit. People wanna see Clowney and Mercilus on the field together .....4-3. Put Watt and Covington inside. BA BOOM
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Justin Smith played 34 de at 270. Clowney can hold that weight easy without bothering his quickness. They could let Crick walk and play clowney opposite watt.
 
PHILLYTEXANFAN said:
He'd have to bulk up about 20lbs for that. 4-3 is his best suit. People wanna see Clowney and Mercilus on the field together .....4-3. Put Watt and Covington inside. BA BOOM
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leebigeztx said:
Justin Smith played 34 de at 270. Clowney can hold that weight easy without bothering his quickness. They could let Crick walk and play clowney opposite watt.
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But his knee won't (260 + 20 = 287 lbs?).
 
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