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The New New JaDeveon Clowney Thread
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PapaL
Loose Screw
You listing every injury he's had? I think he had chickenpox in the 3rd grade. Fell off the slide in kinder
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Newsflash Cak, GM's make trades all the time to free up cap space to go after big FA's or mid their FA's. Or they make trades in order to acquire certain players that may be disgruntled on losing teams, or dislike their roles with the current coaching staff. Smart GM's take advantage of those situations and can buy players for good deals in many cases even if it is for one year. Rick Smith just doesn't hardly get involved on big opportunities like that. He is to conservative. When you want a big fish, you either have to have the cash or create the cash in the salary cap to make those things happen. Different teams start unloading guys or making insignificant trades all the time in order to make a run at certain guys every off season. I'm not sure why this seems so foreign to you, but it is what happens when a GM wants to go after certain guys. Smith has always been conservative, and over values draft picks badly. He doesn't draft well, so his entire philosophy fails the majority of the time. It really is mind boggling that after ten years of being an irrelevant team the majority of Smith's tenure here, that you're still defending his strategy that has not really gotten this team anywhere.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Of course every team builds through the draft. You kind of have to considering you have a draft at all.
We're talking about teams that strategize almost completely on the draft to improve their team on a number of unproven players which become more and more of a roll of the dice as the draft goes on. No one said anything about going out and over paying for every marquee FA every season that demands the top salary at their position. Sure, in some cases you make that move if it is for a guy that has that type of impact. I said nothing about a loose cannon like Suh, so I'm not sure why you brought up one of the worst examples possible. That is the same argument people have tried to use in the past by saying we are suggesting that the TExans should make a ton of Dan Snyder/Jerry Jones type moves in FA which is not the case either. You just remain active in FA though. You find as many good players as you can and improve your team with fair and good deals. Simply depending on the draft the majority of the time is a big risk though, and you've got to be great at drafting. The Steelers have a similar strategy and that is who Mcnair and Smith have stated they sort of wanted to mirror their strategy after, but Pitt drafts extremely well, and they've had a great QB for a long time now which masks a lot of the average and poor draft picks year after year. Being highly active in FA also doesn't mean you have to put yourself in salary cap hell either. You find resourceful ways to improve your team with "proven players" at different positions for the best deals possible. In many cases that is a lot better than rolling the dice on the next Jacoby Jones or Antwan Molden type guys in the 3rd rounds where Smith is pretty much failure in.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
"I've still got nothin'" would have been a lot shorter.
Has nothing to do with Smith. It's about answering a very simple question directly.
The issue was attractiveness to FAs, not cap, not affordability - whether FAs would, money equal, pick Houston. Trades are dead on 180 degrees from that conversation. Other than pulling. Plummer, players have no control over where they are traded.
We're talking about an injury no one else has talked about while he's listed as probable(meaning it's a legitimate non issue)?
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
Clowney has looked like the best player on our D after Watt and maybe Wilfork. He's done a great job setting the edge and disrupting passing lanes. He hasn't hit home on his pass rushes but it will get there. He looks pretty good for a guy who has only played 7 professional games.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
The Watt portion only referred to the comment that Watt was luring all these FA's here which is a complete crock with no evidence at all to back that notion.
After that, it has been about Rick Smith and his lack of a desire to makes moves in the off season outside of the draft which is something you've defended this clown for going on 10 years now.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
And other than a marginal Wilfork example I agreed with you.
After that it has been you petulantly kicking a cat that isn't mine.
Wonder what?????? This is the kind of silly over reaction to nothing I have grown to expect on facebook by half ass fans not on this message board by informed members.
Captain Augustus McRae doesn't do anything petulantly! Texecutioner might, but respect the avatar!!!
thetexanator
Veteran
clowney sucks. no burst off the line.
silvrhand
All Pro
He was walking with a heavy limp most of the time after the 1st quarter on his right leg, something isn't right.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
He started out good but then his leg gave out . I feel worse about JD's career than I do about the Texans because Clowney's was an unfortunate accident . To me he's not a bust because he never had a chance .
PapaL
Loose Screw
I remember that play. One our our guys was on his leg and Clowney was tapping/pushing him to get up. Clowney stayed on the ground for a bit before getting up.
Horrendous yet again? What games have you been watching. What do you judge on, just sacks????
Though not yet able to make a single sack in a regular season game, Clowney has been playing the run fairly well, or atleast compared to other Texans linebackers, which granted is not a very high bar. He did record the only TFL in last night game for the Texans. He's doing a descent job of setting the edge.
This whole team's doing one hell of a descent job.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
When the concept of drafting clowney came up, this was my point. He looks like a rde, but he plays like a lde. He's explosive in a straight line and is strong at the point, but he'll never be a good pass rusher because he cant bend.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
McKinney
Personally, Clowney was really our only bright spot in the front 7. Yes, he was washed inside a couple times but had a decent game
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Early in the game, I posted that Clowney was limping around, and continued to do so for the rest of the game. I thought that whatever was the cause was going to be worsened.......and wondered then why he was left in.......now he's in a boot.
His boot is on the RIGHT, the same side that the microfracture and partial lateral meniscectomy was performed on. This is not good and any lower limb injury will further hinder his mechanics, definitely stressing his already traumatized surgically corrected knee. And keep in mind that the new "knee" Injury Report listing could also be of his left knee, even further messing with his mechanics and stressing of his right knee. I've always stated my concern for a domino injury effect on Clowney's condition. We are likely seeing the beginning.
His boot is on the RIGHT, the same side that the microfracture and partial lateral meniscectomy was performed on. This is not good and any lower limb injury will further hinder his mechanics, definitely stressing his already traumatized surgically corrected knee. And keep in mind that the new "knee" Injury Report listing could also be of his left knee, even further messing with his mechanics and stressing of his right knee. I've always stated my concern for a domino injury effect on Clowney's condition. We are likely seeing the beginning.
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Aaccording to one Seth Payne , former Texans dLineman, the texans are playing so badly that they have completely broken down in much of their fundamentals. For example, he's says Cushing spent every play in the first half getting rookie linebacker Bernard properly lined up. If a linebacker is confused to the point that he's not knowing what position he should be assuming pre-snap, then they have the most basic kind of underlying problems with the whole team as you suggest.
Friend of mine has 20+ yrs physical therapist / she works w/a lot of athletes from various sports. She said that particular knee injury that he had surgery for is usually a career ending injury....Only about 20% of athletes come back from that injury. Clowneys position requires too much stress on his knees. He will never be the 100%....He may not even be in NFL a yr or 2 from now.
He played really well as a feshman, which is great in it's own right. He had a fantastic sophomore year. Then as a junior he basically played not to get hurt after watching his teammate and friend Marcus Lattimore have his promising career essentially ruined. And I hardly blame him for that.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
Sometimes you have to make it simple for the rookies because the older guys who get it are slow .
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
Before he got hurt he was playing really well .
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Fyi - CnD is a surgeon who provides Tom's of I'm depth medical info around here.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Huh?? Clowney's injury could be minor, especially with the Texans' 10-day break? So because he has 10 days instead of 7 days to recover, it makes it a minor injury? And again that infamous label "minor" comes up again. There are many reasons that he could be in a boot for. The most likely is for a lateral ankle sprain. Even if it's a "minor" sprain, any lower limb injury at this point just gives that much concerns for his overall mechanics and potential for further lower limb injuries, especially it he is not rehabbed properly before returning to play.
Not this **** again
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
How much does his weight gain hurt him ?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I can't quantify that..........I can only say that I don't see how it could help him. They could say they it was hamstring and quad buildup that would stabilize his knee. But I would be dubious that the 17 pounds can be attributed to that. The heavier an athlete, the more stress is transferred to knees. And, therefore, the more stress, to wear down the pseudo-cartilage, placed on the microfracture knee.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
You have out done yourself again!!
Ya think!!??? He had injury concerns coming out of college, but fans and the idiotic staff the Texans felt that Kiper's nonsense was actually true and ignored the information that was leaked from his own coaches and folks that dealt with him at South Carolina.
Dre_80
Waterboy
Yeah I saw him sub out late in the game and you could clearly see him limp off the field. I thought he was injured and done for the game but he was back out there again a couple plays later and I have no idea why. If he's limping like that he has no business being on the field, something is obviously up with his knee or ankle.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/bl...n-clowney-tied-for-best-3-4-olb-run-defender/
*****
JD has become a stud vs rushing plays according to Profootballfocus and also these stats indicate he's doing better than 2 probowlers at his position. Granted we didn't draft him to plug the run, but rather to sack the QB. But Thursday night he was being double and triple teamed as was Watt and Clowney got as many sacks as JJ did.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
"Texansthink"
Let's play the hell out of Clowney and screw his injury. As long as we can get enough good plays out of him to keep out of last place, maybe we'll survive the blowback from this season. Yeah, we know, it'll probably ruin Clowny's career, but if we can get anything out of that injured dirt bag let's do it. We need to keep our jobs.
Let's play the hell out of Clowney and screw his injury. As long as we can get enough good plays out of him to keep out of last place, maybe we'll survive the blowback from this season. Yeah, we know, it'll probably ruin Clowny's career, but if we can get anything out of that injured dirt bag let's do it. We need to keep our jobs.
You have out done yourself again!!
Ya think!!??? He had injury concerns coming out of college, but fans and the idiotic staff the Texans felt that Kiper's nonsense was actually true and ignored the information that was leaked from his own coaches and folks that dealt with him at South Carolina.
Can't believe I I'm wasting my time but
In the Texans’ game against the Colts, J.J. Watt was largely invisible. One reason is because Indianapolis rarely ran to Watt’s side. Only six of the Colts 26 carries went to the right of the RG, and Indy only averaged 3.5 yards on those carries. This meant a lot more runs to the left, but they weren’t much more successful there. When running outside of the left guard, the Colts only averaged 3.5 yards per carry. A big reason for that was Jadeveon Clowney. When he was on the field and the Colts ran outside of the left guard, they only averaged 2.9 yards per carry.
For being the first overall pick of the 2014 NFL draft, it seems to many people that Clowney hasn’t lived up to expectations. He’s only played 380 snaps in his career to this point, and has yet to record his first NFL sack.
In reality, however, he has been playing very well in the NFL, especially against the run.
In all nine of his NFL games, he’s posted a minimum PFF run defense grade of +0.4. His cumulative run defense grade of +9.8 this year is tied for the best among all edge defenders. His run stop percentage of 10.0 percent is the fourth-best for all 3-4 outside linebackers. Last night, he had his best game yet in the pros.
3-4 OLB PFF cumulative run defense grade
T-1. Jadeveon Clowney, HOU +9.8
T-1. Pernell McPhee, CHI +9.8
3. Justin Houston, KC +6.7
4. Khalil Mack, OAK +4.4
5. Ryan Kerrigan, WAS +4.3
Suck on that for a little while see how you like it. How will you spin this clowney hater?
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
You have out done yourself again!!
Ya think!!??? He had injury concerns coming out of college, but fans and the idiotic staff the Texans felt that Kiper's nonsense was actually true and ignored the information that was leaked from his own coaches and folks that dealt with him at South Carolina.
I bet 32 out of the 32 teams would have picked Clowney #1 overall . The difference is he wouldn't have gotten hurt and had 20 sacks by now for other teams .
I watched Clowney against the Falcons his rookie year from good seats , even with the Falcons LOS . He only played two series , the second he tackled the RB two yards behind the LOS and the next he sacked Ryan . That was all he played that night and against the Redskins he started the same way before getting hurt .
So let me quantify your post a little. Clowney was the #1 pick. He has played in nine - less than half - of the Texans games since he was drafted. I'll be generous and make that a .5. He has two main jobs - run and pass defense. He is a stud against the run - make that a 1. He is a dud against the pass - make that a 0.
Average job performance (1+0)=.5
Availability = .5
Showing up for work and doing his job = .5*.5 = .25 out of a possible 1.0
If that is playing really well in the NFL for Texans standards, no wonder the defense is a disappointment.
Even taking availability out of the equation he is only doing half what should required of his lofty draft status. That isn't "he has been playing very well in the NFL, especially against the run" that is "he has been playing very well in the NFL only against the run".
Personally, I think it is spin to say otherwise.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
I think what he's trying to dispel is that Clowney is a one dimensional slacker . It's like saying your power forward is not a good player because he doesn't score many points and you respond with he gets 12 rebounds . I don't think JD will ever live up to his #1 draft status buts it's not because he cashed his check and went to cruise control .
So not a slacker, just one dimensional? Got it.
Texian
Hall of Fame
I think Clowney would be a better player and more effective if tackling bags and tennis balls were in front of him on every play.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
Nope damaged goods .
There was a kid ( DE ) out of Clemson before JD who was considered to be the #1 overall pick and had a micro fracture issue just like Clowney . The only difference was this guy was injured in his junior season and instead of being picked #1 overall , he went in the 3rd round to Tampa . He's still trying to make it and got cut again this year .
Lol
He gotten plenty of pressure. Two of watts sacks can be directly attributed to pressure from Clowney. He has 12 tackles 3 pass defenses and a forced fumble already this season coming off a major injury that most people didn't even think you'd be able to play this year. It's going to take him a little time to develop his hands and pass rush moves. This is basically his rookie year.
A d just for kicks since you say he's a zero in the passing game. He has 6 qb pressures to watts 7. That puts him tied with von miller and D Ware. And that's with him trying to work his way back to game shape where he was splitting time with Mercilus.
Jeez I don't know what would make you guys happy.
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