The New New JaDeveon Clowney Thread

[Runner]

Lol
He gotten plenty of pressure. Two of watts sacks can be directly attributed to pressure from Clowney. He has 12 tackles 3 pass defenses and a forced fumble already this season coming off a major injury that most people didn't even think you'd be able to play this year. It's going to take him a little time to develop his hands and pass rush moves. This is basically his rookie year.

A d just for kicks since you say he's a zero in the passing game. He has 6 qb pressures to watts 7. That puts him tied with von miller and D Ware. And that's with him trying to work his way back to game shape where he was splitting time with Mercilus.

Jeez I don't know what would make you guys happy.

You do make him sound good. Too bad his awesome play, even combined with JJ Watt, couldn't impact the play of a sick 40 year old quarterback playing behind a poor offensive line last game. The quarterback hurries are good, but without some sacks to go with them they are almost plays on an almost team.

Next I expect to hear how being in a boot yesterday proves he isn't injury prone.

 

[mussop]

You do make him sound good. Too bad his awesome play, even combined with JJ Watt, couldn't impact the play of a sick 40 year old quarterback playing behind a poor offensive line last game. The quarterback hurries are good, but without some sacks to go with them they are almost plays on an almost team.

Next I expect to hear how being in a boot yesterday proves he isn't injury prone.

Lol sad!

 

[Runner]

A d just for kicks since you say he's a zero in the passing game. He has 6 qb pressures to watts 7. That puts him tied with von miller and D Ware. And that's with him trying to work his way back to game shape where he was splitting time with Mercilus.

Jeez I don't know what would make you guys happy.

QFT

Good point - he's spending even less time on the field contributing to the team than I gave him credit for.

 

[Runner]

Lol sad!

Agreed.

 

[mussop]

You do make him sound good. Too bad his awesome play, even combined with JJ Watt, couldn't impact the play of a sick 40 year old quarterback playing behind a poor offensive line last game. The quarterback hurries are good, but without some sacks to go with them they are almost plays on an almost team.

Next I expect to hear how being in a boot yesterday proves he isn't injury prone.

JJ Watt combined with clowney, Wilfork and cushing couldn't impact the play of an 40 year old sick qb playing behind a poor offensive line last game. Watt=bust

See how ignorant that sounds.

 

[mussop]

Good point - he's spending even less time on the field contributing to the team than I gave him credit for.

Way to miss the point. He's coming off a major injury. Obviously you wanted someone else in the draft and got your panties in a wad when they didn't pick your guy.

 

[Runner]

Way to miss the point. He's coming off a major injury. Obviously you wanted someone else in the draft and got your panties in a wad when they didn't pick your guy.

Miss the point? No - that was a counter-point.

The fact I preferred someone other than Clowney in the draft doesn't affect how well Clowney is playing, although such an ad hominem attack is often used to change the focus of a debate.

 

[Runner]

JJ Watt combined with clowney, Wilfork and cushing couldn't impact the play of an 40 year old sick qb playing behind a poor offensive line last game. Watt=bust

See how ignorant that sounds.

Ooooh ignorant - I feel so bad now.

Bust? Changing the argument again? I'm saying he isn't playing as well as you are spinning him.

If you haven't noticed, Watt has actually done something in this league. You equated him to a bust, not me.

 

[mussop]

Ooooh ignorant - I feel so bad now.

Bust? Changing the argument again? I'm saying he isn't playing as well as you are spinning him.

If you haven't noticed, Watt has actually done something in this league. You equated him to a bust, not me.

Ok let's focus on he isn't playing well and he's a dud against the pass. I've laid out the stats and the facts. You chose yo ignore them and say I sure make him sound good. So are the stats wrong?

 

[mussop]

Miss the point? No - that was a counter-point.

The fact I preferred someone other than Clowney in the draft doesn't affect how well Clowney is playing, although such an ad hominem attack is often used to change the focus of a debate.

Counter point or changing the subject?

 

[mussop]

Ooooh ignorant - I feel so bad now.

Bust? Changing the argument again? I'm saying he isn't playing as well as you are spinning him.

If you haven't noticed, Watt has actually done something in this league. You equated him to a bust, not me.

You equated him to a bust because even playing along side watt he didn't affect the game against an old qb and bad line. I made a comparison that made your statement look ignorant. Sorry but it was a bad point on your part.

 

[Mollywhopper]

J.J. Watt had 2 sacks in his first 9 games.

Jason Pierre-Paul had 0 sacks in his first 9 games.

Khalil Mack had 0 sacks in his first 9 games.

Justin Houston had 0 in his first 11 games.

Duds.

 

[Runner]

You equated him to a bust because even playing along side watt he didn't affect the game against an old qb and bad line. I made a comparison that made your statement look ignorant. Sorry but it was a bad point on your part.

No, I didn't say he was a bust. I said I disagreed with your statement he was playing very well in the NFL. You equated that to bust.

Counter point or changing the subject?

I took the data you presented and applied a different interpretation. That is a counter point.

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Since many of your arguments are now relying on ignorance, panties in wads, and misstatements, I'll let this drop now. This can be a stressful time for Texans fans, and you seem sensitive to those disagreeing with your opinions.

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J.J. Watt had 2 sacks in his first 9 games.

Jason Pierre-Paul had 0 sacks in his first 9 games.

Khalil Mack had 0 sacks in his first 9 games.

Justin Houston had 0 in his first 11 games.

Duds.

So this proves that Clowney is playing well in the NFL right now, or is it in response to the people (not me) who equated him to a bust?

 

[Mollywhopper]

So this proves that Clowney is playing well in the NFL right now, or is it in response to the people (not me) who equated him to a bust?

You can take it however you like.

 

[Runner]

You can take it however you like.

Hmmm. Pretty vague. I choose.........to skip it.

 

[Mollywhopper]

Can't say I'm surprised.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

The bust of the 2014 draft has been Nix and XSF . Out of the top 4 guards we found the one who seems like the can't play . I would add a healthy dose of Rick Smith failing to anticipate where Teddy or Jimmy G would be picked adds to the melt down .

 

[Mr teX]

Well teams are doubling and chipping he and JJ on the edges pretty regularly, so obviously he's doing something for teams to pay attention to him. When consider that he's pretty much still a rookie having not even played a full season yet..i'd say he's doing well. He's damn sure the only person in the front 7 outside of JJ thats making plays.

 

[leebigeztx]

Well teams are doubling and chipping he and JJ on the edges pretty regularly, so obviously he's doing something for teams to pay attention to him. When consider that he's pretty much still a rookie having not even played a full season yet..i'd say he's doing well. He's damn sure the only person in the front 7 outside of JJ thats making plays.

Nobody is doubling clowney

 

[badboy]

for some reason the game of Pong comes to mind reading this thread

 

[Mr teX]

Nobody is doubling clowney

Your right...he just takes that inside angle so much that it looks like he's being doubled. B/c the guard is helping.

 

[leebigeztx]

J.J. Watt had 2 sacks in his first 9 games.

Jason Pierre-Paul had 0 sacks in his first 9 games.

Khalil Mack had 0 sacks in his first 9 games.

Justin Houston had 0 in his first 11 games.

Duds.

How many were called once in a generation before they were drafted? Also, you left out von miller and aldon smith.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

How many were called once in a generation before they were drafted? Also, you left out von miller and aldon smith.

And a lot of people didn't like Mario cause they never heard of him .

 

[Mollywhopper]

How many were called once in a generation before they were drafted? Also, you left out von miller and aldon smith.

What does that have to do with anything?

 

[mussop]

Nobody is doubling clowney

Ah yes they are. He's been doubled a lot and chipped even more.

 

[kiwitexansfan]

Ah yes they are. He's been doubled a lot and chipped even more.

Watt and Clowney are both getting doubled sometime and yet there are people running free in the secondary and no pressure on the QB.

 

[leebigeztx]

Ah yes they are. He's been doubled a lot and chipped even more.

No he hasn't. If he knifes inside into the guard, thats not a double team. The fact that he's never been able to turn speed to power or vice versa prohibits what he can do as a pass rusher. He either has to bull rush or speed the corner, but he cant do both in the same move. Thats what good pass rushers can do. Most can do it at the college level. If it were me, since clowney is not really bendable, I would just line him up at lde. He's more of a linear athlete and would probably have more success rushing from that spot. Similar to chris long.

 

[Texian]

Watt and Clowney are both getting doubled sometime and yet there are people running free in the secondary and no pressure on the QB.

Once you've taken out Watt and Clowney what is left to rush the passer? Opponents have figured this out and it will be common sight going forward.

 

[Dre_80]

J.J. Watt had 2 sacks in his first 9 games.

Jason Pierre-Paul had 0 sacks in his first 9 games.

Khalil Mack had 0 sacks in his first 9 games.

Justin Houston had 0 in his first 11 games.

Duds.

Your logic didn't seem to work with guys like Sam Montgomery and a million of other busts. Why didn't Carr turn out to be Peyton? They both sucked as rookies. One got it together, the other one was Carr.

No offense but who solved the captcha for you when you signed up on this board? Theres no way you figured it out on your own.

 

[Mollywhopper]

Your logic didn't seem to work with guys like Sam Montgomery and a million of other busts. Why didn't Carr turn out to be Peyton? They both sucked as rookies. One got it together, the other one was Carr.

No offense but who solved the captcha for you when you signed up on this board? Theres no way you figured it out on your own.

Sam Montgomery, David Carr, and a million other busts never showed valuable improvement. The guys listed did.

If I had put that in a captcha, or maybe at the bottom of a cracker jack box, would you have had an easier time figuring it out?

 

[Texecutioner]

What does that have to do with anything?

JJ Watt combined with clowney, Wilfork and cushing couldn't impact the play of an 40 year old sick qb playing behind a poor offensive line last game. Watt=bust

See how ignorant that sounds.

You're going to end up in China by the time you keep digging this hole of BS of yours behind under performing players on the Texans that you have elevated to hero status. Let me know how you when you make it to Beijing. Take a selfie with the shovel.

Clowney. Lol!

 

[Mollywhopper]

Hero status?

 

[Texecutioner]

Sam Montgomery, David Carr, and a million other busts never showed valuable improvement. The guys listed did.

If I had put that in a captcha, or maybe at the bottom of a cracker jack box, would you have had an easier time figuring it out?

You have any idea how silly you sound by cherry picking a few NFL studs to somehow make this # draft pick that has been completely irrelevant through 21 games now?

Trying to compare him to Watt? When was Watt ever questioned as a rookie player? He never was. He was constantly praised, because he made plays around the ball constantly. He was always creating havoc somehow with swats, stuffing the run, and all types of stuff. Even remotely trying to compare Clowney to Watt is hilarious. Von Miller and Aldon Smith? Just stop already. This is pure madness at this point.

 

[Texecutioner]

Hero status?

Come back in a year or whenever Clowney is actually a relevant pass rusher in this league that teams worry about. Until then, you're just dishing out pipe dreams like any other irrational fan chuckles at when they frequent other boards. Texans are 1-4 and have zero pass rush other than Watt even with Watt drawing 3 guys half the time. Hell, Joe Texan could probably get a few sacks if he played D line for this team with that amount of attention going towards one guy.

 

[Mollywhopper]

You have any idea how silly you sound by cherry picking a few NFL studs to somehow make this # draft pick that has been completely irrelevant through 21 games now?

Trying to compare him to Watt? When was Watt ever questioned as a rookie player? He never was. He was constantly praised, because he made plays around the ball constantly. He was always creating havoc somehow with swats, stuffing the run, and all types of stuff. Even remotely trying to compare Clowney to Watt is hilarious. Von Miller and Aldon Smith? Just stop already. This is pure madness at this point.

You sound silly saying Clowney has been completely irrelevant. That's simply not true.

I'm not saying that Clowney will be any of those guys, most certainly not J.J. But you alluded exactly to the argument in favor of Clowney. That in spite of him not registering full on sacks yet he's been around the ball, he's pressured the QB, he's stuffed the run repeatedly, he's got three swatts of his own so far, he's forced a fumble, tackles for losses. This is while facing double teams of his own already. You just hate to give the guy an ounce of credit. Some ego thing I suppose.

And I can't help that you don't get that I wasn't comparing Clowney to where these guys careers are all at right now. Thought that was painfully obvious.

 

[Texian]

 

[Mollywhopper]

Come back in a year or whenever Clowney is actually a relevant pass rusher in this league that teams worry about. Until then, you're just dishing out pipe dreams like any other irrational fan chuckles at when they frequent other boards. Texans are 1-4 and have zero pass rush other than Watt even with Watt drawing 3 guys half the time. Hell, Joe Texan could probably get a few sacks if he played D line for this team with that amount of attention going towards one guy.

So you realize no one has elevated him to hero status and that was an absurd comment ... good then.

 

[Dre_80]

Sam Montgomery, David Carr, and a million other busts never showed valuable improvement. The guys listed did.

If I had put that in a captcha, or maybe at the bottom of a cracker jack box, would you have had an easier time figuring it out?

So you're comparing him to guys that have turned it around and put up crazy sack numbers. Yeah, let's wait until Clowney gets there. Then maybe your silly comparison would make some sense. Until then you're just reaching for something that isn't there. Right now using that logic you could make a better case that he's closer to becoming Sam Montgomery.

Justin Houston btw as well as JPP were backups. Mack was not your typical 3-4 OLB who went after the QB each time, and he didn't have a guy like Watt either next to him to get a lot of 1 on 1s. Clowney does, and he is a starter. He's supposed to be a sack artist, he's still sitting at zero sacks. He's got 2 QB hits through 5 games according to the NFL. That's 1 more than Eddie Pleasent. So pump the brakes on the Watt comparison. Not everybody that doesn't produce becomes the best defensive player in the league.

 

[Mollywhopper]

So you're comparing him to guys that have turned it around and put up crazy sack numbers. Yeah, let's wait until Clowney gets there. Then maybe your silly comparison would make some sense. Until then you're just reaching for something that isn't there.

It was an illustration of a point, not a direct projection of results. Really guy, that wasn't shrouded in complication.

Justin Houston btw as well as JPP were backups. Mack was not your typical 3-4 OLB who went after the QB each time, and he didn't have a guy like Watt either next to him to get a lot of 1 on 1s. Clowney does, and he is a starter. He's supposed to be a sack artist, he's still sitting at zero sacks. He's got 2 QB hits through 5 games according to the NFL. That's 1 more than Eddie Pleasent. So pump the brakes on the Watt comparison. Not everybody that doesn't produce becomes the best defensive player in the league.

And Clowney's also splitting time at a position that doesn't balls to the wall rush the passer on every play. Those things are no secret. In the mean time he's got 6 QB hurries, which is even with premier pass rushers. Curious to see that "hits" stat though, I've seen him hit the QB more than twice myself.

And ... NO ONE IS SAYING HE'LL BE JJ WATT. NO ONE. Just that a player's career is more than nine games. He's doing other things than registering direct sack numbers as well, and those can still come.

People looking only at sack stats. I bet you guys only listen to the lyrics in a song too.

 

[mussop]

You're going to end up in China by the time you keep digging this hole of BS of yours behind under performing players on the Texans that you have elevated to hero status. Let me know how you when you make it to Beijing. Take a selfie with the shovel.

Clowney. Lol!

The only reason anyone would need a shovel around here is to get through the giant pile of **** post you put out. I haven't elevated anyone to hero status. That's just your biased arrogance combined with poor comprehensive skills that doesn't allow you to follow logical povs.

 

[Texecutioner]

All of this was talked about constantly by you and I and a select few others before the draft for months. Funny, that all of these problems are being seen now, and the same folks are still digging and compiling these arguments filled with illusions of a guy that was not motivated, had injury concerns, and was a total no show in his most important season in college. The worst and most interesting excuse I've heard for Clowney is the one where guys completely excuse him by saying they don't blame him for taking his Junior season off. Now whether that is true or not is something only Clowney would know, but for a fan that roots for a losing franchise, you'd have to be one of the dumbest people ever to think that is okay and want a guy with that type of mentality on your team and invest a #1 pick in him. If he did that, then that would show a very selfish mentality and one that blows off his coaches, his teammates, his fans, and everyone that was helping him to advance to an NFL career. It also would have been a really stupid gamble on Clowney's part. Again, I'm not sure if he did that or not, but either way he was a no show as a Junior and showed a lot of flaws in his game. It is just funny to see that people are still getting so angered and upset about the obvious indications of what a failed pick he was and a disaster that we blew with the #1 pick.

 

[Texecutioner]

The only reason anyone would need a shovel around here is to get through the giant pile of **** post you put out. I haven't elevated anyone to hero status. That's just your biased arrogance combined with poor comprehensive skills that doesn't allow you to follow logical povs.

Did you just try insulting me and using the word comprehensive? Lol!

You're the one that can't get off this guy's jock after insulting anyone who disagreed for months before the draft. It is YOU that has to explain why you went all out for this guy that had disclaimers all over him before the draft. NOT ME. I said basically the same things in that video for months, and never understood the hero worship and the godly like status you anointed on a guy who looked like he played at half speed all year for South Carolina and wanted this guy on the Texans instead of a QB that was desperately needed. How is that working for us now without a QB ha? Oh, that's right you think we've got that all figured out with Mallet throwing air balls 100 mph everywhere. Nice!

 

[Texian]

All of this was talked about constantly by you and I and a select few others before the draft for months. Funny, that all of these problems are being seen now, and the same folks are still digging and compiling these arguments filled with illusions of a guy that was not motivated, had injury concerns, and was a total no show in his most important season in college. The worst and most interesting excuse I've heard for Clowney is the one where guys completely excuse him by saying they don't blame him for taking his Junior season off. Now whether that is true or not is something only Clowney would know, but for a fan that roots for a losing franchise, you'd have to be one of the dumbest people ever to think that is okay and want a guy with that type of mentality on your team and invest a #1 pick in him. If he did that, then that would show a very selfish mentality and one that blows off his coaches, his teammates, his fans, and everyone that was helping him to advance to an NFL career. It also would have been a really stupid gamble on Clowney's part. Again, I'm not sure if he did that or not, but either way he was a no show as a Junior and showed a lot of flaws in his game. It is just funny to see that people are still getting so angered and upset about the obvious indications of what a failed pick he was and a disaster that we blew with the #1 pick.

Spurrier in his own way was pretty much was saying the same thing. Many of those here failed to believe it, offered up tons of excuses for Clowney's behavior and quite comically said Spurrier either didn't know what he was talking about or they said Spurrier said something completely different than what he actually said. A classic case of people hearing and seeing what they want to see and hear.

 

[mussop]

Did you just try insulting me and using the word comprehensive? Lol!

You're the one that can't get off this guy's jock after insulting anyone who disagreed for months before the draft. It is YOU that has to explain why you went all out for this guy that had disclaimers all over him before the draft. NOT ME. I said basically the same things in that video for months, and never understood the hero worship and the godly like status you anointed on a guy who looked like he played at half speed all year for South Carolina and wanted this guy on the Texans instead of a QB that was desperately needed. How is that working for us now without a QB ha? Oh, that's right you think we've got that all figured out with Mallet throwing air balls 100 mph everywhere. Nice!

More bla bla bla bs spewing nonsense as usual. Funny you say you said the same things that hoge said in his videos. Hoge is considered the clownhat of ESPN draft. A blowhard that says ridiculous crap tp draw attention to himself. Sounds about right.

As far as all that bs you just wrote about me hero worshipping clowney is more made up bullshit. I said repeatedly that I woukd be fine of we drafted bortles. Didn't want him bit would understand. I also repeatedly said I wanted Gregg Robinson OL or Aaron Donald.

You just ignored all that because you couldn't wrap your tiny little head around the fact that everyone didn't hate the thought of drafting clowney as much as you. You believed the Hoge's/ asshats of the world when others could see through their pathetic attention wanting asses.

And finally I have NEVER SAID mallet is the qb we need. I never even said he was a good or even above average qb. Of course you will ignore all this and keep up the lying and exaggerating to try and make your pathetic pov seem more realistic even though it's all been conceived from your sad little biased uninformed opinion that got drilled into your head by someone just trying to gather attention because that's what they are being payed for. None of which is ever taken seriously by intelligent just touching it right now that would pay for the intercoastal train people.


"NFL Draft: ESPN’s Merril Hoge says he would take Michael Sam over Jadeveon Clowney"

LOL yeh that sounds about like something that you would agree with.



Meet Hoge, the meme that's wrong about the NFL Draft


Let's be charitable, to the extent possible: some of what makes ESPN's Merril Hoge such a clownish figure is Merril Hoge, but a lot of it is Merril Hoge's job. There is even a sense in which Merril Hoge -- the barking anthropomorphized Slim Jim and former NFL fullback filling the role of Designated NFL Draft Heel at ESPN, and devoted anti-apostle of Johnny Manziel and Jadeveon Clowney -- is good at this terrible job.

So good some actually believe and agree with him. Lol!

 

[mussop]

Spurrier in his own way was pretty much was saying the same thing. Many of those here failed to believe it, offered up tons of excuses for Clowney's behavior and quite comically said Spurrier either didn't know what he was talking about or they said Spurrier said something completely different than what he actually said. A classic case of people hearing and seeing what they want to see and hear.

And what exactly has clowney done since being drafted to live up to that criticism? Has he dogged it in practice? Not once or we would of heard non stop I told you so from you people. How about his rehabilitation, did he dog that? Seeing as how he has come back from MAJOR SURGERY so much sooner than any of even the most optimistic hero worshipping fan could of dreamed of I'm going with NO. So since we were all so naive and only heard what we wanted to hear I'm assuming you ha e something your not telling us. Or was it you who was hearing what you wanted to hear because of your hero worshipping of you're man Blake bortles? Who by the way has turned out to be just what those of us who didn't PREFER him (over a better prospect) thought he was, over rated because of a lack of competition at the qb position.

 

[Mr teX]

Or was it you who was hearing what you wanted to hear because of your hero worshipping of you're man Blake bortles? Who by the way has turned out to be just what those of us who didn't PREFER him (over a better prospect) thought he was, over rated because of a lack of competition at the qb position.

** eagerly awaits Texian's response to this portion of the post **

 

[Texecutioner]

And what exactly has clowney done since being drafted to live up to that criticism? Has he dogged it in practice? Not once or we would of heard non stop I told you so from you people. How about his rehabilitation, did he dog that? Seeing as how he has come back from MAJOR SURGERY so much sooner than any of even the most optimistic hero worshipping fan could of dreamed of I'm going with NO. So since we were all so naive and only heard what we wanted to hear I'm assuming you ha e something your not telling us. Or was it you who was hearing what you wanted to hear because of your hero worshipping of you're man Blake bortles? Who by the way has turned out to be just what those of us who didn't PREFER him (over a better prospect) thought he was, over rated because of a lack of competition at the qb position.

Blake Bortles just had a pretty big game yesterday man. Threw 4 TD's and lost due to his defense. He has definitely struggled some and hasn't lit the world on fire. He went to a terrible franchise though which certainly isn't helping him. However, Bortles will not be above criticism. You are right that, he was MY GUY for the QB position. He is still is, and if he goes down as a bust, then I've got no problem admitting I was wrong about the guy. Unlike you, I don't have that problem. I won't put up obnoxious arguments for years behind some guy I had admiration for that doesn't cut it. I still think that Bortles is going to be a really good QB though, so you can remember that all you want and feel free to bring it up whenever you'd like. I'll take my lumps when I'm wrong. Hell, I'll even throw you a bone and tell you I was wrong about NICK FOLES. I highly criticized Rick Smith and OB for not going after a trade to get Foles and I believed in him a lot. I was wrong on him. There you have it. I don't understand the unconditional worship for these guys though. They're just athletes, and just because a guy puts on a Texans uniform doesn't make him unfair to criticize especially when so much is invested in them and the franchise is counting on them.

I also stated for months that if the Texans weren't going to go with a QB in that draft in the first round that I wanted Mack, and I stated that he would be a much better player than Clowney. Loved Mack as well, and was 100% right about that. I made many arguments for Mack over Clowney, but I definitely wanted a QB above all.

 

[Texecutioner]

More bla bla bla bs spewing nonsense as usual. Funny you say you said the same things that hoge said in his videos. Hoge is considered the clownhat of ESPN draft. A blowhard that says ridiculous crap tp draw attention to himself. Sounds about right.

As far as all that bs you just wrote about me hero worshipping clowney is more made up bullshit. I said repeatedly that I woukd be fine of we drafted bortles. Didn't want him bit would understand. I also repeatedly said I wanted Gregg Robinson OL or Aaron Donald.

You just ignored all that because you couldn't wrap your tiny little head around the fact that everyone didn't hate the thought of drafting clowney as much as you. You believed the Hoge's/ asshats of the world when others could see through their pathetic attention wanting asses.

And finally I have NEVER SAID mallet is the qb we need. I never even said he was a good or even above average qb. Of course you will ignore all this and keep up the lying and exaggerating to try and make your pathetic pov seem more realistic even though it's all been conceived from your sad little biased uninformed opinion that got drilled into your head by someone just trying to gather attention because that's what they are being payed for. None of which is ever taken seriously by intelligent just touching it right now that would pay for the intercoastal train people.


"NFL Draft: ESPN’s Merril Hoge says he would take Michael Sam over Jadeveon Clowney"

LOL yeh that sounds about like something that you would agree with.



Meet Hoge, the meme that's wrong about the NFL Draft


Let's be charitable, to the extent possible: some of what makes ESPN's Merril Hoge such a clownish figure is Merril Hoge, but a lot of it is Merril Hoge's job. There is even a sense in which Merril Hoge -- the barking anthropomorphized Slim Jim and former NFL fullback filling the role of Designated NFL Draft Heel at ESPN, and devoted anti-apostle of Johnny Manziel and Jadeveon Clowney -- is good at this terrible job.

So good some actually believe and agree with him. Lol!

This thread is about Clowney. Not Hodge, and on this particular subject you have no right whatsoever to say something bad about Hodge considering the fact that he has not been proven wrong, and you have regarding the guy that you insulted everyone for criticizing going on almost two years now. In one thread, you were even trying to use racism claims for Clowney for god sakes. Hodge was on point.

 

[Texian]

Or was it you who was hearing what you wanted to hear because of your hero worshipping of you're man Blake bortles? Who by the way has turned out to be just what those of us who didn't PREFER him (over a better prospect) thought he was, over rated because of a lack of competition at the qb position.

** eagerly awaits Texian's response to this portion of the post **

What Texecutioner said.....

So until the first pick in the 2014 draft gets 10 sacks in a season (worthy of the first pick in the draft) Clowney worshippers should take a seat in the last pew and take a vow of silence until then.

FTR - The #1 player on my 2014 draft board was Aaron Donald but thought the Texans should've drafted Bortles because of their VOID at the most important position if the NFL.

 

[Mollywhopper]

Who is worshipping Clowney?