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The Actual and Real 2017 Texans Talk Mock Draft Extravaganza
- Thread starter steelbtexan
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Like Elijah Lee
... James Conner
... Josh Harvey-Clemons
... Adam Bisnowaty
... and was saving each of them for the latter fourth rnd pick, with the thinking that Johnson had the most impact potential and let the chips fall for the remaining selection.
... James Conner
... Josh Harvey-Clemons
... Adam Bisnowaty
... and was saving each of them for the latter fourth rnd pick, with the thinking that Johnson had the most impact potential and let the chips fall for the remaining selection.
jradMIT
Veteran
Mixon is long gone in the 2nd.
John Johnson, S, Boston College (Mollywhopper, rmartin65, banned1976, WolverineFan)
Elijah Lee, LB, Kansas State (bah007)
Josh Harvey-Clemons, S/LB (Lucky)
James Conner, RB, Pittsburgh (mussop)
mussop, Dixon was taken in the 2nd by Denver.
Could those not on this list clarify your vote?
Elijah Lee, LB, Kansas State (bah007)
Josh Harvey-Clemons, S/LB (Lucky)
James Conner, RB, Pittsburgh (mussop)
mussop, Dixon was taken in the 2nd by Denver.
Could those not on this list clarify your vote?
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Max
Veteran
For experiment's sake -- I've posted 2 threads w/ bpa ranked by position in one and by overall ranking in another. I'll keep it updated as I update my spreadsheet and list at the top when the list has been updated. If it doesn't work -- no biggie, but I'll give it a shot and see if it's helpful.
PS, It's from cbssports -- so don't blame me for the rankings or the position descriptions if you disagree.
PS, It's from cbssports -- so don't blame me for the rankings or the position descriptions if you disagree.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Hmm...try NFL. But then again Google might show naughty floosies and lesbians.
Johnson has 5 votes, the rest of the field has 4. I would say John Johnson is the pick?
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Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Josh Harvey Clemons.
Too good to pass up at this point.
Too good to pass up at this point.
Max
Veteran
I'm all for it, if you can find it. Used cbssports because i could cut and paste in a spreadsheet and i ain't typing all that crap out.
By the way, my vote is for Johnson. I'm good w/ WF's idea of going corner here and moving Jackson to safety as well. But with the votes as they are (and I believe this is the position to address) I'm taking Johnson over Harvey-Clemons because of the drug issue even though H-C is very intriguing.
Next 5 picks
4 (132) Kansas City - @WolverineFan -
4 (133) Dallas - @Texansphan -
4 (134) Green Bay - @gs27 -
4 (135) Pittsburgh - @WolverineFan -
4 (136) Atlanta - @bah007 -
With any luck, we could to the Texans pick @142 by Monday.
4 (132) Kansas City - @WolverineFan -
4 (133) Dallas - @Texansphan -
4 (134) Green Bay - @gs27 -
4 (135) Pittsburgh - @WolverineFan -
4 (136) Atlanta - @bah007 -
With any luck, we could to the Texans pick @142 by Monday.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I like the John Johnson pick. He's my top rated safety left. I wouldn't expect him to excel in deep coverage, but he's solid enough as a diagnose and tackle guy and he's serviceable in coverage early and short.
I actually don't like Josh Harvey Clemons. I think he's as limited as John Johnson, but more of a risk taker and not nearly as solid fundamentally. I see him making alot of mistakes on the next level with little upside. Only thing I really like about him is his aggressiveness in his tackles, but it comes with alot of bad. Looks like a classic bust type player IMO. I have Jadar Johnson, S, Clemson and Tedric Thompson, S, Colorado behind John Johnson. Thompson is actually quite good in coverage, borderline great in some situations, but he can't tackle at all. He misses open tackles 90% of the time. Jadar Johnson is like John Johnson, only slightly better in coverage, but also slightly worse at taking angles and making tackles.
I actually don't like Josh Harvey Clemons. I think he's as limited as John Johnson, but more of a risk taker and not nearly as solid fundamentally. I see him making alot of mistakes on the next level with little upside. Only thing I really like about him is his aggressiveness in his tackles, but it comes with alot of bad. Looks like a classic bust type player IMO. I have Jadar Johnson, S, Clemson and Tedric Thompson, S, Colorado behind John Johnson. Thompson is actually quite good in coverage, borderline great in some situations, but he can't tackle at all. He misses open tackles 90% of the time. Jadar Johnson is like John Johnson, only slightly better in coverage, but also slightly worse at taking angles and making tackles.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
Kansas City selects Jessamen Dunker - OG, Tennessee State
Athletically gifted OL who got arrested and kicked off Florida as a freshman. Traveled down a level and started all 4 years at TSU at LT, LG, & RG. Andy Reid obviously has no problem taking athletic kids with sketchy records. Dunker is an athletic project who needs to get stronger and clean up technique.
Athletically gifted OL who got arrested and kicked off Florida as a freshman. Traveled down a level and started all 4 years at TSU at LT, LG, & RG. Andy Reid obviously has no problem taking athletic kids with sketchy records. Dunker is an athletic project who needs to get stronger and clean up technique.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
@Texansphan is on the clock for Cowboys 4th round pick.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
At #133, Dallas Cowboys select George Kittle TE Iowa 6'4" 247lbs.
Jason Witten is likely on his last tour this coming season so they take Kittle to groom under the master.
Jason Witten is likely on his last tour this coming season so they take Kittle to groom under the master.
banned1976
sleeper mode
To me, Jason Witten has been the best TE for over a decade. He's a leader, he's a good blocker and can break your spirit if you're playing against him and it's 3rd down. If I'm the Cowboys, I hang on to him after his professional playing career has ended. He'd make a great receiving coach.
Kittle is a good blocker, a tough guy with broad shoulders and a good receiver. He'll never be Witten but I think he's going to be a really good TE.
A steal
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
Ranked 396/400 on the big board I am using.
I get the feeling after the first 100 guys or so its a complete and utter crap shoot
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
I like the pick up of a S.
So far am feeling fairly happy with the Texans draft.
So far am feeling fairly happy with the Texans draft.
jradMIT
Veteran
Must have been an outlier, Kittle has had a great draft process and he is a good blocker and receiver. Has plus athleticism.
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banned1976
sleeper mode
The whole draft is a crap shoot. That's why I look at every draft, especially in round 1 as what does my team need most of all. So if in this draft we have the chance of drafting Bolles or any of the top linemen versus best QB available I'm going QB (which is entirely opposite to what Rick Smith and company do). The QB has the most upside in helping the team than a offensive lineman.
Bottom line is, an offensive lineman is just as likely to bust as a QB. Whether in the top 100 or later.
gs27
Veteran
With the 134th pick the Packers select:
Adam Bisnowaty
My plan was to nab Perine in the 4th however that was foiled. The Packers lost 3 starting interior lineman in the last two years of free agency. Spriggs or Bisnowaty could play LG or swing tackle offering alot of flexibility. Elijah Lee was a consideration however I felt the need to grab at least 1 OL before picking a 3rd down LB.
Adam Bisnowaty
My plan was to nab Perine in the 4th however that was foiled. The Packers lost 3 starting interior lineman in the last two years of free agency. Spriggs or Bisnowaty could play LG or swing tackle offering alot of flexibility. Elijah Lee was a consideration however I felt the need to grab at least 1 OL before picking a 3rd down LB.
gs27
Veteran
IMO, Kittle is one of the biggest steals in this draft. This guy does it all, hope the Texans find a way to grab this guy. Jordan Willis and George Kittle are the two most undervalued prospects in the draft by major ranking websites, IMO
gs27
Veteran
Lee is interesting. I think he is a 3rd-4th rd prospect however was not invited to the combine. It is very rare for power 5 conference prospects who dont get combine invites to be drafted. Wondering what we are not seeing?
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Lee is actually probably better value than Johnson. We just needed a safety. I'm not sure Johnson is going to be anything more than a average to below average starter. I just don't see the cover ability, but he's not bad. Solid player, just doesn't do anything real well. He's an above average lane filler and tackler though.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Pretty fun drafting for the pats.
Don't really feel 'pressure' and the whole draft is kind of wide open.
But even without a pick all the way until the third round I feel good about the guys so far.
Don't really feel 'pressure' and the whole draft is kind of wide open.
But even without a pick all the way until the third round I feel good about the guys so far.
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There's also a coaching element to this.
lately, the "real" talent is gone midway through the third & you've got a bunch of guys from then on who's career is going to be determined by how committed the coaching staffs that draft them are to seeing them succeed.
Unfortunately, in the NFL there's so much of that type of talent available every year that teams are just as soon to move on than they are to developing players.
Most of us here blame Rick Smith for not hitting in the third round or later. & he definitely shares some of the responsibility. But some coaching staffs do a lot better developing those late round picks than others.
Owen Daniels was definitely a steal, but if not for Gary Kubiak & his "system" OD may have had a much shorter career on another team. Whitney Mercilus (I know he's a first rounder, but it's the same principal) would most likely be on another team by now had we not made the switch to Crennel & Vrabel.
Under Dick Lebeau, the Steelers had a habit of making good LBs great, & talented LBs good. I expect to see some of that start to happen in Tennessee.
bah007
Hall of Fame
Undersized for a traditional LB in most eyes. Not athletic enough for a nickel player.
I disagree with both but those are the negatives I hear on him consistently.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
Pittsburgh Steelers select Vince Biegel - OLB, Wisconsin
Steelers double dip at LB. With James Harrison retiring soon and Lawrence Timmons leaving in FA they need reinforcements. Biegel is a versatile edge player who can also play inside. He's a great athlete who can play in space and is a phenomenal run stopper who is also adept at dropping into coverage. His biggest weakness is that he lacks the elite explosion and pass rush moves of the other top edge players in this class. However, because of his motor and versatile skill set he's a perfect fit in a 3-4 as a SAM backer and can also play ILB in a pinch.
IMO he was Wisconsin's best defensive player the last 3 years but he got injured this year and sort of become a forgotten man because of T.J. Watt's emergence. He reminds me of Mike Vrabel. I know that's very high praise but he combines the same tenacity, work ethic, and versatility. Personally I think his overall skill set makes him 2nd round worthy but because he's more of a utility knife than expert pass rusher he's likely to fall into 3rd/4th round range.
Steelers double dip at LB. With James Harrison retiring soon and Lawrence Timmons leaving in FA they need reinforcements. Biegel is a versatile edge player who can also play inside. He's a great athlete who can play in space and is a phenomenal run stopper who is also adept at dropping into coverage. His biggest weakness is that he lacks the elite explosion and pass rush moves of the other top edge players in this class. However, because of his motor and versatile skill set he's a perfect fit in a 3-4 as a SAM backer and can also play ILB in a pinch.
IMO he was Wisconsin's best defensive player the last 3 years but he got injured this year and sort of become a forgotten man because of T.J. Watt's emergence. He reminds me of Mike Vrabel. I know that's very high praise but he combines the same tenacity, work ethic, and versatility. Personally I think his overall skill set makes him 2nd round worthy but because he's more of a utility knife than expert pass rusher he's likely to fall into 3rd/4th round range.
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I guess they dont take instincts into play. The way Lee passes guys off in zones and seems to have a feel for where the ball is going is top notch. You cant teach that. I would rather have that in a LB than a guy who runs a 4.5. BTW, Lee's not slow, he runs in the 4.6's. You're also going to get a guy with a chip on his shoulder who atleast will be a very good ST''s guy and there's alot of value in that.
In short I like Lee
jradMIT
Veteran
I disagree somewhat. Yes any position can bust, but it's easier to evaluate strength and athleticism versus decision making. The decision making aspect of quarterback evaluations is what make projection extremely fraught with error. You can gauge measurables to some degree of accuracy. But decision making is only evaluated through anecdotal tape in variant offensive schemes. When an offensive lineman busts he usually is a low end starter, tackles move to guards etc, when a qb busts he's out the league in four years or doesn't see the field. Most other positions have their baseline abilities to fall back on, a qb with poor decision making can't fall back on it the same way.
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bah007
Hall of Fame
Totally agree with you. I like Lee as much as anybody. I think he's a three down ILB in our system. Perfect compliment to McKinney. Would allow us to move Cushing outside to SAM.
I think he's going to be exceptional. Wouldn't be surprised at all if some team took him in the late 2nd or early 3rd.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
Lee ran a 4.72 at Pro Day which is slightly slower than I expected but not a slow time at all. That's a solid time for a LB. He also vertical jumped 38' which would have been #1 among LB's at the Combine and Broad Jumped 122' which is just behind athletes like Zach Cunningham and Blair Brown. 3-Cone and Shuttle time were also on par with Cunningham. He's an athlete.
bah007
Hall of Fame
Atlanta selects Amara Darboh - WR, Michigan.
Atlanta doesn't really need a WR in this draft but I can't pass up the opportunity to grab this guy here. He's a similar athlete to Sanu. Not as good with the ball in his hands but way better without it. Better route runner and blocker. Good compliment to Julio Jones with upside as a #2 WR down the road.
@jradMIT is on the clock for Indy.
Atlanta doesn't really need a WR in this draft but I can't pass up the opportunity to grab this guy here. He's a similar athlete to Sanu. Not as good with the ball in his hands but way better without it. Better route runner and blocker. Good compliment to Julio Jones with upside as a #2 WR down the road.
@jradMIT is on the clock for Indy.
bah007
Hall of Fame
He's a stud. He's also put on weight which might affect his timed runs. Played this year around 215. I think he's above 225 now.
He and Jordan Willis are both being categorized as guys that Bill Snyder made. It's kind of odd but they aren't getting their due credit as athletes because their coach is so good.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
He was 229 at Pro Day.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Despite all the love he is still available 4th rd. back end of compensatory picks. I'll pass, let him become a Texan
bah007
Hall of Fame
Despite all the love he is still available 4th rd. back end of compensatory picks. I'll pass, let him become a Texan
My teams already have Reggie Ragland and Deion Jones at the position he'd be playing otherwise I'd have already grabbed him. Almost took him with my last Buffalo pick anyway.
Voted for him for previous Texans selection.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Pittsburgh Steelers select Vince Biegel - OLB, Wisconsin
Steelers double dip at LB. With James Harrison retiring soon and Lawrence Timmons leaving in FA they need reinforcements. Biegel is a versatile edge player who can also play inside. He's a great athlete who can play in space and is a phenomenal run stopper who is also adept at dropping into coverage. His biggest weakness is that he lacks the elite explosion and pass rush moves of the other top edge players in this class. However, because of his motor and versatile skill set he's a perfect fit in a 3-4 as a SAM backer and can also play ILB in a pinch.
IMO he was Wisconsin's best defensive player the last 3 years but he got injured this year and sort of become a forgotten man because of T.J. Watt's emergence. He reminds me of Mike Vrabel. I know that's very high praise but he combines the same tenacity, work ethic, and versatility. Personally I think his overall skill set makes him 2nd round worthy but because he's more of a utility knife than expert pass rusher he's likely to fall into 3rd/4th round range.
Like this pick, can you put in your application over on Kirby St?
As a HC Snyder should be ranked up there with Saban/Paterno/Bryant etc... a great HC who does more with less than any HC in the country. You saw what happened when Snyder retired and Prince took over. Then Snyder comes back and preso K-State is good again.
The K-State program that Snyder has built is proof that you can build a program out of guys the big schools dont want/partial qualifiers/JC guys.
You know I looked at Lee really hard for the Niners as a Will, and I just couldn't get in on him. He's blocked easily on running plays, and when he is free to the ball carrier he doesn't bring any thump. Lee can chase and cover, so maybe he can take that weight off and become an in the box safety. But, I like my SS to bring some thump, too. Right now, I see Lee as a nickel LB/special teamer.