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The Actual and Real 2017 Texans Talk Mock Draft Extravaganza

The back end is looking positive after all that, but who is playing on the line without Wilfork and Watt? JDC fulltime DE? Sophmore Reader? JAG Covington?

Clowney at DE, absolutely (part of why I'd like Bowser and Lee so much)..
Reader..
Covington..
Dunn..
Last couple draft slots left..

And I never said it was perfect, just some super welcome additions.
 
How do we work Bowser and Lee into the rotation assuming Cush is back next season as starter?

I guess at worse we significantly upgraded Izzo's coverage units!
 
How do we work Bowser and Lee into the rotation assuming Cush is back next season as starter?

I guess at worse we significantly upgraded Izzo's coverage units!

Bowser is a swiss army knife that can play inside or out and rush or cover, Lee can play on third down and in sub-packages in year 1, meanwhile McKinney and Cush are in or out depending on down/distance and oppenents' personnel/tendencies. Mercilus is primarily a pass rusher.

The options are immense.
 
I'm w/ Kiwi in wanting D-line but there's about 5 guys on the board that I think could work into our rotation and 1 of them should still be on the board next round so I'm willing to go Lee here as well.

Looks like an overwhelming majority:

Lee -- 9 (TexansSeminole, jradMIT, banned1976, beerlover, wolverineFan, rmartin65, Mollywhopper, bah007, Max)

DeDe Westbrook -- 1 (steelbtexan)

Ryan Glasgow --1 (kiwitexansfan)

Brian Hill --1 (Lucky)
 
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How do we work Bowser and Lee into the rotation assuming Cush is back next season as starter?

I guess at worse we significantly upgraded Izzo's coverage units!

Draft players. more especially after the 3rd rd and let the coaches figure it out.
 
How do we work Bowser and Lee into the rotation assuming Cush is back next season as starter?

I guess at worse we significantly upgraded Izzo's coverage units!

Draft players. more especially after the 3rd rd and let the coaches figure it out.
 
I'm w/ Kiwi in wanting D-line but there's about 5 guys on the board that I think could work into our rotation and 1 of them should still be on the board next round so I'm willing to go Lee here as well.

Looks like an overwhelming majority:

Lee -- 9 (TexansSeminole, jradMIT, banned1976, beerlover, wolverineFan, rmartin65, Mollywhopper, bah007, Max)

DeDe Westbrook -- 1 (steelbtexan)

Ryan Glasgow --1 (kiwitexansfan)

Brian Hill --1 (Lucky)
I was going to suggest Glasgow but didn't think anyone would agree. If I were picking it would be a certain WR
 
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Could be wrong but cant get behind this DL class in general, worse than OL, maybe equalizer? Best DB class ever, since I've been following draft. Shame Texans haven't addressed this need following Bouye exit. My vote despite Lee and general consensus, would be best available CB. I'm beginning to doubt this board, Texans in general don't value or evaluate this position with requisite importance. Therefore my official nomination, first of Texans picks I've actually chosen (if I'm around for one more year here, I should be GM) is Corn Elder, Miami. I know I got burned before with a certain Miami CB whom Texans traded up for in 2nd rd. but this is a really great, underrated Hurricane class, I'm sure Corn will be a player and @ a position of need. http://draftblaster.com/2017-NFL-Draft/schools/miami/corn-elder-cb/
 
Looks like an overwhelming majority:

Lee -- 9 (TexansSeminole, jradMIT, banned1976, beerlover, wolverineFan, rmartin65, Mollywhopper, bah007, Max)

DeDe Westbrook -- 1 (steelbtexan)

Ryan Glasgow --1 (kiwitexansfan)

Brian Hill --1 (Lucky)
There are only 20 GMs still participating I believe. So this qualifies as a quorum, and I think the polling can close and move to the next pick.

With the 142nd pick in the 2017 Texans Talk Mock Draft, the Houston Texans select:

Elijah Lee - LB, Kansas State

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Could be wrong but cant get behind this DL class in general, worse than OL, maybe equalizer? Best DB class ever, since I've been following draft. Shame Texans haven't addressed this need following Bouye exit. My vote despite Lee and general consensus, would be best available CB. I'm beginning to doubt this board, Texans in general don't value or evaluate this position with requisite importance. Therefore my official nomination, first of Texans picks I've actually chosen (if I'm around for one more year here, I should be GM) is Corn Elder, Miami. I know I got burned before with a certain Miami CB whom Texans traded up for in 2nd rd. but this is a really great, underrated Hurricane class, I'm sure Corn will be a player and @ a position of need. http://draftblaster.com/2017-NFL-Draft/schools/miami/corn-elder-cb/

Dont confuse this boards draft with Ricky McNairs.

Ricky could only hope to do this well.
 
John Johnson can play some corner and cover the slot so it's not like the secondary has been neglected.


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Could be wrong but cant get behind this DL class in general, worse than OL, maybe equalizer? Best DB class ever, since I've been following draft. Shame Texans haven't addressed this need following Bouye exit. My vote despite Lee and general consensus, would be best available CB. I'm beginning to doubt this board, Texans in general don't value or evaluate this position with requisite importance. Therefore my official nomination, first of Texans picks I've actually chosen (if I'm around for one more year here, I should be GM) is Corn Elder, Miami. I know I got burned before with a certain Miami CB whom Texans traded up for in 2nd rd. but this is a really great, underrated Hurricane class, I'm sure Corn will be a player and @ a position of need. http://draftblaster.com/2017-NFL-Draft/schools/miami/corn-elder-cb/

AJB was an UDFA.

Kareem Jackson was a 1st round pick.

Just because we didn't address it early, doesn't mean it won't be addressed and we can't find talent for the position IMO.
 
Do you guys have any opinions on this guy? If so, please elaborate. I have a small opinion, but would like to hear from others also.

If Ricky had been a player in FA and the team didn't have so many holes, Jonson would've been a great pick. Solid 5 tech, who could eventually move to NT in a yr.
 
John Johnson can play some corner and cover the slot so it's not like the secondary has been neglected.


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I wouldn't count on that. I'd not put him in that position as he is bound to fail and in turn lose confidence.

The corners went really fast here and with other positions having players valued higher, I think it's better that we went this route. I know I wanted a corner for Seattle, but after the 1st, maybe 2nd round, there were just players with higher value IMO available than the corners available.
 
I'm about 9 pages back right now, but I am a firm believer that KJ can be a great safety in this league. Instead of drafting a safety, I'd prefer to draft a CB that can give him the freedom to move off of CB to safety.

His contract isn't really crazy for a safety either.
 
With Pick #143, San Francisco selects:

Josh Harvey-Clemons – OLB, Clemson

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Based on his time at Louisville, the Niners believe Harvey-Clemons drug issues are behind him. While he played SS at Louisville, defensive staff believes his future is at Will LB. Initially, Harvey-Clemons will play in the nickel and special teams.
 
4 (144) Indianapolis - @jradMIT -
5 (145) Cleveland - @rmartin65 -
5 (146) San Francisco - @Lucky -
5 (147) Chicago - @banned1976 -
5 (148) Jacksonville - [Group Pick] -

I've got to hit the sack, but if someone is planning on staying up, I can send you the list for the Browns, Bears, and Niners.
 
I'm about 9 pages back right now, but I am a firm believer that KJ can be a great safety in this league. Instead of drafting a safety, I'd prefer to draft a CB that can give him the freedom to move off of CB to safety.

His contract isn't really crazy for a safety either.

I dont know if at his size he can hold up for a whole season at Safety.

Otherwise I agree with you.
 
With Pick #143, San Francisco selects:

Josh Harvey-Clemons – OLB, Clemson

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Based on his time at Louisville, the Niners believe Harvey-Clemons drug issues are behind him. While he played SS at Louisville, defensive staff believes his future is at Will LB. Initially, Harvey-Clemons will play in the nickel and special teams.

I think he'll have to go this route. I don't see safety with him at all.
 
With the last pick of the 4th round the Indianapolis Colts select

CB Damontae Kazee

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Name: Damontae Kazee

School: San Diego State

Position fit: Outside cornerback

Stats to know: 40 of the 72 passes thrown into his coverage in 2016 were either hitches or go routes. He allowed 19 catches for 316 yards, two touchdowns and had six interceptions on those targets.

What he does best:

  • Solid tackler. Plays a lot of off coverage, so has to come up and make stops. Missed only five tackles from 69 attempts in 2016 when not always having an easy play to make.
  • Reads the QB well. Rarely misreads where the ball is going, and it allows him to break on it well. Notched seven interceptions from 72 targets in 2016, one behind the highest figure in the nation.
  • He rarely allows a player to get much after the catch, allowing 99 yards all season after the catch.
  • Showed a good feel for zone, and multiple receiver threats. Made plays at times when being put in a bind between two routes.
Biggest concern:

  • Measurables across the board — including size — are below average. He is just 5-foot-10 and 184 pounds, with a 40 time in the 4.5s.
  • San Diego State ran quarters coverage almost exclusively, and he lined up almost entirely at right cornerback (467 of 505 coverage snaps in 2016), so there is a lot of projection involved to his NFL role.
  • Was almost exclusively in off-coverage playing bail technique, so ability in press or closer to the line is projection.
  • Would occasionally drift inside when bailing deep and allow a player behind him. Doesn’t have the speed to make that back up.
  • Occasionally got a little physical with receivers deep in routes that would be called at the next level. Was flagged just once in 2016, but there were plays in there that would be NFL penalties.
Bottom line: San Diego State’s scheme makes Kazee’s evaluation a real challenge. There are teams in the NFL that play plenty of quarters coverage, but none that do it exclusively the way the Aztecs did, and certainly not always in off coverage with bail technique. Kazee faced little other than hitches and go routes, adding more to that struggle and his measurables have been poor to date. What is on tape however is largely good. He has the ability to defend the run and make plays on the ball in coverage, and being liberated from his college scheme could allow him to develop his skills a little bit more. He shows a really nice ability to read the QB and make the right break on the ball. His measurables will raise some concerns, but he could carve out a place as a third or fourth corner on a team and try and prove he can do more when he gets that opportunity.

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  • 4.54 SEC -40
  • 11 REPS bp
  • 34.0 INCH - vert
  • 124.0 INCH - BJ

  • 5'10"HEIGHT
  • 30 7/8"ARM LENGTH
  • 184LBS.WEIGHT
  • 8 5/8"HANDS
OVERVIEW

Coming off a 2015 season where he tied for the second-most interceptions in the FBS (eight) and was named Mountain West Defensive Player of the Year (75 tackles, seven pass breakups), Kazee strongly considered entering the 2016 draft as an underclassmen. He returned to San Diego, however, to finish out his career -- and again was named the conference defender of the year and first-team all-conference pick. Kazee again tied for second in the nation with seven interceptions, breaking up eight others. His playmaking abilities started as a true freshman, when he came to SDSU after his brother, Walter, finished his time with the Aztecs as a running back. He led the Mountain West with four forced fumbles and making 41 tackles despite not starting a game. Kazee moved into the starting lineup as a sophomore, leading the team with 13 breakups and intercepting another.

ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS
Good bounce in his feet for short area movement. Plays with a quick transition forward from his pedal when reacting to the route. Looks for most efficient route to the ball to disrupt the catch. Very good route awareness from zone. Can split the high-low combinations and anticipates the chosen route early. Highly instinctive with a taste for turnovers. Wants to make a play on every ball thrown his way. Posted 43 passes defensed over the last three years including 16 interceptions during that time. Active and downhill in his run support.
WEAKNESSES
Tall and a little tight in his backpedal. Unable to carry deep speed down the field. Can be beaten over the top if he's not diligent with his positioning. Can be run out of position by play-action and jet sweeps that are directed his way. Has recovery quickness underneath, but is missing recovery speed. Takes unsound angles in run support and will lose contain. Lacks size for outside and could be mismatched against size.
BOTTOM LINE
Limited by his size and his long speed, Kazee has all the instincts and ball skills that a team could want. If he fails to run well, he could drop a round or even two, but he's a good fit for teams who run zone and off man. His willingness in run support and his penchant for taking the ball away should follow him into the pros and make for an early transition into a third or fourth cornerback role.



 
OK, this is going to be the speed picks of the draft:

5 (145) Cleveland - @rmartin65 - Ryan Switzer - WR, North Carolina
5 (146) San Francisco - @Lucky - Brian Hill - RB, Wyoming
5 (147) Chicago - @banned1976 - Jeremy Sprinkle - TE, Arkansas
5 (148) Jacksonville - [Group Pick] -
5 (149) LA Rams - @steelbtexan -

Feel free to group pick the Jags. Good Night.
 
Do you guys have any opinions on this guy? If so, please elaborate. I have a small opinion, but would like to hear from others also.

I like him. He wrecked Michigan's interior line when they played this year. Very powerful at the point of attack and can penetrate. Not a great pass rusher but good enough to be viable at the next level. Reminds me of a less explosive version of former Hawkeye Carl Davis (who ironically is already on the Ravens).
 
OK, this is going to be the speed picks of the draft:

5 (145) Cleveland - @rmartin65 - Ryan Switzer - WR, North Carolina
5 (146) San Francisco - @Lucky - Brian Hill - RB, Wyoming
5 (147) Chicago - @banned1976 - Jeremy Sprinkle - TE, Arkansas
5 (148) Jacksonville - [Group Pick] -
5 (149) LA Rams - @steelbtexan -

Feel free to group pick the Jags. Good Night.

Btw I really like Brian Hill as well. More so than quite a few of the RB's who went before him.

Just like Elijah Lee more.
 
Group pick for Jaguars tonight and tomorrow morning. Their draft so far...

1) Leonard Fournette - RB, LSU
2) David Njoku - TE, Miami
3) Marcus Maye - S, Florida
4) Danny Isidora - OG, Miami

I nominate Vincent Taylor (DT, Oklahoma State). Interior run stuffer to replace the departed Roy Miller. Great value for him this late as I have a 3rd round grade on him.
 
Group pick for Jaguars tonight and tomorrow morning. Their draft so far...

1) Leonard Fournette - RB, LSU
2) David Njoku - TE, Miami
3) Marcus Maye - S, Florida
4) Danny Isidora - OG, Miami

I nominate Vincent Taylor (DT, Oklahoma State). Interior run stuffer to replace the departed Roy Miller. Great value for him this late as I have a 3rd round grade on him.

He's the 2nd rated guy on my big board right now. So that works for me.
 
Alrighty the, with the 149th pick in the TT Mock Draft the Los Angeles Rams select Ishmael Zamora WR Baylor.

Zomorah is a tall fast WR with good hands, Zamora and Godwin give McVay size in the red zone/at the WR position to compliment Robert Woods/Tavon Austin.
 
The Jets select Josh Reynolds, Texas A&M, WR

NFL Comparison
Marvin Jones

Bottom Line
Long and tall, Reynolds is a dangerous vertical threat thanks to his ball tracking and ball skills over eye-popping deep speed. Reynolds is a menace in the red-zone and can mismatch smaller cornerbacks in the air. He lacks play strength which could cause problems for him early in his career against physical corners, but his toughness, work ethic and football intelligence should overcome those concerns and help him carve out a career as a second or third receiver in the league.
 
AJB was an UDFA.

Kareem Jackson was a 1st round pick.

Just because we didn't address it early, doesn't mean it won't be addressed and we can't find talent for the position IMO.

Proves only even a blind squirrel finds a nut. My take of consensus picks for Texans is;

One - value oriented
Two - need based
Three - LB class is above average
 
Alrighty the, with the 149th pick in the TT Mock Draft the Los Angeles Rams select Ishmael Zamora WR Baylor.

Zomorah is a tall fast WR with good hands, Zamora and Godwin give McVay size in the red zone/at the WR position to compliment Robert Woods/Tavon Austin.

Just curious what made you decide to take Ishmael Zamora over Robert Davis. Both are large WRs at around 6'-3", 220 lbs. Davis was the most athletic WR at the combine with an official 4.44 40, 41" vert and 11'-4" broad.

Zamorah posted very little production while at Baylor where as Davis is Georgia St's all time leader in receptions and yards. Sure they played at different levels, but Davis did everything he could with his opportunity where Zamora didn't even eclipse 1000 career reception yards in an offense that puts up video game passing numbers.

Then on top of that you add the dog beating video for Zamorah versus Davis being an all academic selection at Georgia St.

IMO, Davis>Zamorah in production, Davis>Zamorah in athleticism, Davis>Zamorah intangibles

Not trying to knock your pick, just trying to see what you see in Zamorah to select him over Davis?
 
With the 151st pick, the LA Chargers select....


Chad Wheeler, OT, USC

Gotta shore up that O-line and pave the way for Mahomes eventual takeover of the offense in a few years.
 
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