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gs27 said:
Just curious what made you decide to take Ishmael Zamora over Robert Davis. Both are large WRs at around 6'-3", 220 lbs. Davis was the most athletic WR at the combine with an official 4.44 40, 41" vert and 11'-4" broad.

Zamorah posted very little production while at Baylor where as Davis is Georgia St's all time leader in receptions and yards. Sure they played at different levels, but Davis did everything he could with his opportunity where Zamora didn't even eclipse 1000 career reception yards in an offense that puts up video game passing numbers.

Then on top of that you add the dog beating video for Zamorah versus Davis being an all academic selection at Georgia St.

IMO, Davis>Zamorah in production, Davis>Zamorah in athleticism, Davis>Zamorah intangibles

Not trying to knock your pick, just trying to see what you see in Zamorah to select him over Davis?
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It's steelb. You have the answer already.

the dog beating video for Zamorah
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Dude has the kind of mean streak that pays off on the field.

:shades:
 
gs27 said:
Just curious what made you decide to take Ishmael Zamora over Robert Davis. Both are large WRs at around 6'-3", 220 lbs. Davis was the most athletic WR at the combine with an official 4.44 40, 41" vert and 11'-4" broad.

Zamorah posted very little production while at Baylor where as Davis is Georgia St's all time leader in receptions and yards. Sure they played at different levels, but Davis did everything he could with his opportunity where Zamora didn't even eclipse 1000 career reception yards in an offense that puts up video game passing numbers.

Then on top of that you add the dog beating video for Zamorah versus Davis being an all academic selection at Georgia St.

IMO, Davis>Zamorah in production, Davis>Zamorah in athleticism, Davis>Zamorah intangibles

Not trying to knock your pick, just trying to see what you see in Zamorah to select him over Davis?
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Simply put, I've seen Zamorah play and think his best football is ahead of him. I haven't seen Davis play. I did check out Davis video and decided to go with the surer thing/big school guy with all things being equal on the talent level. IMHO (Zamorah
 
gs27 said:
Just curious what made you decide to take Ishmael Zamora over Robert Davis. Both are large WRs at around 6'-3", 220 lbs. Davis was the most athletic WR at the combine with an official 4.44 40, 41" vert and 11'-4" broad.

Zamorah posted very little production while at Baylor where as Davis is Georgia St's all time leader in receptions and yards. Sure they played at different levels, but Davis did everything he could with his opportunity where Zamora didn't even eclipse 1000 career reception yards in an offense that puts up video game passing numbers.

Then on top of that you add the dog beating video for Zamorah versus Davis being an all academic selection at Georgia St.

IMO, Davis>Zamorah in production, Davis>Zamorah in athleticism, Davis>Zamorah intangibles

Not trying to knock your pick, just trying to see what you see in Zamorah to select him over Davis?
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I consider Zamorah/Davis to be on a equal talent level and only watched video of Davis. I've watched Zamorah play many times and think his best football is ahead of him.

I have no comment on the relationship between a man and his dog. I just want the best players I can possibly get to put out on the field every Sunday. Unlike the Texans org.
 
htownfan32 said:
Woah, good thing I decided to check in this morning. Didn't think my pick would come up that fast. Pick up shortly
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Yeah the way this thing is set up is really stupid. Im not directing that remark at anyone involved in running this draft. I appreciate all the hard work and time you guys spend keeping this thing going. It's just silly to have to literally check in every hour to see if you're up. Some people have a hard time doing that during the day. I know I do. I'm in my truck on the freeway most of the day going from job to job.

Big thanks to Max for the updated BPA list. I was about to bow out until he did that. The only way I have to check on what's going on is with my small ass phone from 6am until 530 pm.
 
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mussop said:
Yeah the way this thing is set up is really stupid. Im not directing that remark at anyone involved in running this draft. I appreciate all the hard work and time you guys spend keeping this thing going. It's just silly to have to literally check in every hour to see if you're up. Some people have a hard time doing that during the day. I know I do. I'm in my truck on the freeway most of the day going from job to job.
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How would you like to be contacted? I received a message on my phone via tapatalk when you posted. Are you not receiving the PMs via email on you phone? Seems like there's a way to get you the info, just have to figure out why you aren't receiving it.
 
With pick #154, Washington selects:

K.D. Cannon - WR, Baylor

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Getting Will Fuller type speed (and hands) with a 5th round price. Cannon can stretch the defense without stretching the Skins cap space.
 
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Lucky said:
How would you like to be contacted? I received a message on my phone via tapatalk when you posted. Are you not receiving the PMs via email on you phone? Seems like there's a way to get you the info, just have to figure out why you aren't receiving it.
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What is Tapatalk???
 
It's an app that allows you to read and post to the forum. You can follow threads and if anyone replies to a post of yours, you are notified. I have it setup to notify me if anyone has posted to this thread.
 
Staying with Baylor, and speaking of Fuller, the Philadelphia Eagles select, #155 overall, Kyle Fuller, Center, 6044 307 w/34" arms.
Past couple years Jason Kelce play as been spotty at best, seems to be overpowered at times & making mental mistakes (penalties). He is also out there in rumors to trade & cut salary, creating cap room for GM Howie Roseman, well as Jason Peters. Hence two selections to bulk up OL.

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With the #156 pick the Buffalo Bills select: Jeremy McNichols - RB, Boise St

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Buffalo doesn't need to come away with a RB here but we just simply cannot pass. McNichols is everything you want in a starting RB. He can run inside or outside, he's a great receiver, and he's a willing blocker. I'm actually stunned that he is available here. I have a 2nd round grade on him. I think he's a top five back in this loaded class.

He played in a multiple pro style offense and has been arguably the most productive back in the country for two years running. As a two year starter he has 3046 yards and 43 TDs rushing, plus an additional line of 88-934-10 receiving.

He backed up his production by testing as a top six athlete at his position at the combine. He does everything that Dalvin Cook does. He's not as explosive in the open field but he's better between the tackles.

What more could you possibly want?

Next four:
5 (157) Arizona - @Shishkabob (clock expires at 4:55 PM)
5 (158) Indianapolis - @jradMIT
5 (159) Baltimore - @TexansFTW
5 (160) Minnesota - @Max
 
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bah007 said:
With the #156 pick the Buffalo Bills select: Jeremy McNichols - RB, Boise St

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Buffalo doesn't need to come away with a RB here but we just simply cannot pass. McNichols is everything you want in a starting RB. He can run inside or outside, he's a great receiver, and he's a willing blocker. I'm actually stunned that he is available here. I have a 2nd round grade on him. I think he's a top five back in this loaded class.

He played in a multiple pro style offense and has been arguably the most productive back in the country for two years running. As a two year starter he has 3046 yards and 43 TDs rushing, plus an additional line of 88-934-10 receiving.

He backed up his production by testing as a top six athlete at his position at the combine. He does everything that Dalvin Cook does. He's not as explosive in the open field but he's better between the tackles.

What more could you possibly want?

Next four:
5 (157) Arizona - @Shishkabob (clock expires at 4:55 PM)
5 (158) Indianapolis - @jradMIT
5 (159) Baltimore - @TexansFTW
5 (160) Minnesota - @Max
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Was hoping he'd be on the board for the Texans pick, great steal here.
 
Lucky said:
It's an app that allows you to read and post to the forum. You can follow threads and if anyone replies to a post of yours, you are notified. I have it setup to notify me if anyone has posted to this thread.
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You youngsters gotta keep us old men updated on all this fancy new technology. Hell I just learned there's an app that makes fart noises. Been using the **** out of it.
 
mussop said:
You youngsters gotta keep us old men updated on all this fancy new technology. Hell I just learned there's an app that makes fart noises. Been using the **** out of it.
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It was Kaiser Toro that turned me on to it. Great guy and super tech savvy.
 
Cardinals are over the clock so time to group pick again.

1) Mike Williams - WR, Clemson
2) Cordrea Tankersley - CB, Clemson
3) Davis Webb - QB, California
4) Rayshawn Jenkins - S, Miami

I nominate Jordan Morgan (OG, Kutztown) to replace the departed Earl Watford.
 
Absolutely love the Morgan pick.

Guys really good. Would go in the 2nd-3rd rd if he played at a major college.

He really impressed me at the Sr Bowl. Wasn't intimidated at all.
 
Indy selects Tanzel Smart DT Tulane



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  • 5.24 SEC 40
  • 22 REPS bench
  • 27.0 INCH vert
  • 105.0 INCH bj
  • 7.53 SEC 3 cone
  • 4.57 SEC SS

  • 6'1"HEIGHT
  • 32 7/8"ARM LENGTH
  • 296LBS.WEIGHT
  • 9 5/8"HANDS

pff

Name: Tanzel Smart

School: Tulane

Position: 3- and 5-technique, best in a one-gap scheme

Stats to know: Had 42 total pressures in 2014 and 2015 but finished 2016 with 47 pressures.

What he does best:

  • Dominant bull rusher, bullied interior offensive lineman with his power.
  • Great hand placement, able to turn OL during his power rush sequence.
  • Willing to go through resistance if that is the quickest path to the QB.
  • Solid pass rush production with 7 sacks, 7 hits and 33 hurries in 2016.
  • Strength to toss linemen when up to full speed.
  • Delivers a shocking strike regularly on first contact.
  • Exceptional burst off the line, undercuts down blocks with quickness into the backfield.
  • Effective on line slants and stunts, able to redirect once he reads play direction.
  • Fights off cut blocks, able to regain balance after initial shed.
  • Football instincts, can diagnose concepts.
  • Had a solid showing at Senior Bowl week, finishing with a QB hit and a run stop during the game.
Biggest concern:

  • Struggles to consistently finish, gets very high with his tackle attempts.
  • Could use further refinement as a pass-rusher, lacks variety.
  • Struggles to hold the point against vs double teams.
  • Lacks ideal size for an NFL defensive tackle.
  • Tendency to jump pre-snap in an effort to get upfield as quickly as possible.
Player comparison: Kyle Williams, Buffalo Bills

Williams has never allowed his height to detract from his production. Smart also plays at 6-foot-1, and similarly understands the advantage of leverage. The pair share the versatility to play a number of roles, as well as the power to deny quarterbacks a clean platform. Doing the dirty work comes naturally to both and Smart could develop into a complete player at the next level.

Bottom line: Smart is unlikely to garner much attention in this draft process. Looking deeper, however, Smart displays many of the traits required to succeed in the NFL. He possesses the athleticism and strength to eliminate running plays in the backfield, as well as collapse the pocket. Smart represents a wise investment.


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NFL.com

OVERVIEW

Even though Smart grew up in Baton Rouge and was a first-team all-state pick, he did not get a chance to play SEC football, so he went to nearby Tulane to show his wares. Playing in every game as a freshman, he was credited with 14 tackles. Then he was rewarded with a starting role each of the next three seasons, increasing his production from his sophomore (47 tackles, 6.5 for loss, two sacks), junior (62 stops, 15 for loss, two sacks), and senior (67 tackles, 18.5 for loss, 5.5 sacks) seasons. He was a first-team All-American Athletic Conference pick in both 2015 and 2016 for his efforts.

ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS
Excited to play football on every single rep. Times up snap and is quick into the neutral zone. Always searching for the ball. Uses hand quickness to disengage and tackle on time. Good football instincts and quick to recognize and react to screens. Plays with quick hands and quick feet that get him in position to make plays. Gets to blocker's edge with low center of gravity to drive up the field and disrupt. Able to fill a stat sheet up against both run and pass. Feet and hands are a whirlwind of action that never stop looking for improved positioning. Catches blockers under their pads and has the leg drive to bull them back into the pocket.
WEAKNESSES
Short and squatty frame. Matched up against below average competition on most weeks. Plays straight-legged which limits his change of direction. Lack of length causes him to swing and miss in tackle attempts against shifty runners. May not have enough raw power to make up for his lack of size. Long-armed guards can stab his chest and stick him in neutral.
NFL COMPARISON
Rakeem Nunez-Roches
BOTTOM LINE
He's a three-technique only who lacks desired size and length, but his quickness and disruptive nature lead to consistent production week in and week out. Smart needs to be in an upfield scheme that takes advantage of his ability to play in the gaps. His draft stock will take a hit due to his lack of measurables, but he has NFL backup potential thanks to his ability to rush the passer.
 
What do y'all think of Sharpe?

I like his size and saw 3 different sites saying positive things about him.

So I'm hoping he can step in and be Wagners replacement
 
TexansFTW said:
What do y'all think of Sharpe?

I like his size and saw 3 different sites saying positive things about him.

So I'm hoping he can step in and be Wagners replacement
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Maybe. They have a young vet James Hurst who should be ready for the job. My guess is that Sharpe will spend his first season getting into NFL shape.
 
After solidifying the OL in FA and the draft, the Vikings will likely look to make a very good defense even better. This pick is similar to the Duke Riley pick in that the Vikes would like someone to push their current starter (SS Andrew Sendejo) for the starting role or depth. Sendejo had a better season last year than the year before but is just ok. They feel that they’d get even better play out of Harrison Smith with the right guy beside him.

Vikings select SS Lorenzo Jerome
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Outstanding instincts and ball skills. Rose to the occasion in a big way at both the NFLPA game and Senior Bowl – netting 2 interceptions in each game. NFL.com’s bottom line: “While he’s not the biggest or fastest safety, he does not back down from the physicality of the position and he has a second gear when he’s chasing after the ball. NFL teams love instinctive safeties who take the ball away and Jerome is working on a Master’s Degree in both categories.”

161 5.17 San Francisco 49ers @Lucky on the clock
162 5.18 Tampa Bay Buccaneers @steelbtexan on deck
 
With Pick #161, San Francisco selects:

Aviante Collins -OL, TCU
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The 49ers continue to bring in linemen who fit the zone blocking profile. Collins is one of the quicker linemen in the draft and already proficient in the cut block. Has played both Tackle spots, but may be a better fit at Guard. Mel Kiper (Who the hell is Mel Kiper?) said this weekend on his radio show that Collins may be a 2nd day pick. He looks pretty good here in the 5th for the Niners.
 
With the 162nd pick in the TT Mock Draft the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select DeDe Westbrook- WR, Oklahoma,

Westbrook is a steal at this point in the draft. He's got great quickness and playing speed. Giving Winston more weapons.
 
WolverineFan said:
Sad thing is we've seen two guys go in the 5th round who are very similar to Fuller (Cannon and Westbrook). Both will probably go in this range in the real draft.

Yet we traded up in the 1st for Fuller. I still can't get over that pick.
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I've seen the comparisons and the conclusion they are Fuller-like but don't have the ELITE speed.
 
With pick 163 The World Champion New England Patriots select -


Connor Harris, ILB, Lindewood

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School: Lindenwood Position: ILB Class: Senior Height: 5-11 Weight: 241 lbs Projected Draft Round: 3-6

Quick Quote:
“He’s the NCAA’s all-division record-holder for career tackles with 633 and earned the Cliff Harris Award as the national small-college defensive player of the year in 2016.” –Mark Inabinett

Scouting Report:
One of the most productive linebackers in college history, Harris has had to prove to scouts that he is not a product of playing against lower level competition. During Senior Bowl week he started that process and has been all over the field making plays. He has a knack for finding the ball and making tackles, and the draft process will continue to help him prove his stock value.
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https://www.google.com/amp/draftblaster.com/2017-NFL-Draft/schools/lindenwood/connor-harris-ilb/amp/
 
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gs27 said:
Harris would have been my suggestion for the Cardinal pick, but I was not on-line during deliberations.
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Three way player (LB, RB, Punter). Yes, the guy can punt. I'm rooting for this guy to make it.
 
5 (164) Tennessee - @mussop - on the clock until 11AM
5 (165) Detroit - @thunderkyss -
5 (166) Miami - @htownfan32 -
5 (167) NY Giants - @jradMIT -
5 (168) Oakland - @banned1976 -
5 (169) Houston - [Group Pick] -

90 picks left in the draft. If you're on this list and don't think you can make your pick, please send in your list. If you think you might miss the Texans group pick, send a list for that pick as well.
 
You guys might have to auto for my next pick. You did more than I was expecting, and I am about to head off to work without a list prepared. My apologies.
 
Lucky said:
Maybe. They have a young vet James Hurst who should be ready for the job. My guess is that Sharpe will spend his first season getting into NFL shape.
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I'm not sure if Hurst is anything more than the only guy left for the job. He's a good backup swing tackle when your starter gets injured, but I don't know if he's someone you want to lean on as a staple of the line heading into the season. I'm sure they will be replacing Wagner in the draft. The priority they spend on it is the question I am unsure of.
 
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