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The Actual And Real 2016 Texans' Talk Mock Draft Extravaganza

TE Jerrell Adams (1) - TexansFTW
TE Tyler Higbee (2) - Say Watt, Thunderkyss
OT Joe Haeg (1) - TexansSeminole
C Jack Allen (1) - austins23
DE Carl Nassib (4) - Lucky, mussop, Texian, The Pencil Neck
DE Jihad Ward (7) - bah007, beerlover, infantrycak, JB, Marshall, Shishkabob, Mollywhopper
S K.J. Dillon (1) - WolverineFan

We're still waiting for 4 voters. They have until 4:08 PM.

If we can get 3 people that have already voted to switch their vote to Ward we can move on. Otherwise, we'll wait it out and see what happens.
 
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A self-starter, Nassib is a coach's dream with his work ethic, motivation and intelligence and he has the size and length that translates well to the next level. He plays with his hair on fire, but unless he competes with more control and strategy, he will have more negative than positive snaps against NFL competition. Although he needs more seasoning and likely won't start from day one, Nassib has the tools to compete for a NFL starting role by year two, fitting both even and odd fronts.

Strengths Weaknesses
STRENGTHS: Tall, long athlete with a large wingspan. Has worked hard in the weight room to fill out his frame, adding 60 pounds since high school. Improved snap anticipation and often the first linemen off the ball.
Long strides to eat up grass in a hurry off the edge and in pursuit to chase down plays away from the line of scrimmage. Comfortable on his feet to pedal, stay balanced in reverse and cover space. Very good initial momentum to launch off the line and convert his speed to power when he extends his arms into blockers.

Try-hard hustler with a motor that never quits. Humble, spiritual and football is important to him. Lives in the weight room and the concept of hard work was instilled in him at a young age. Intense practice player with a team-first attitude.

Smart on the field and off - two-time Academic All-Big Ten and graduated in December 2015 with a 3.5 GPA and degree in biology (plans to attend medical school one day to be a doctor). Athletic bloodlines as his older brother (Ryan) was a quarterback at Syracuse and 2013 fourth round pick of the New York Giants.

Impressive senior season on tape and on the stat sheet, setting a new school record for sacks (despite playing only four combined snaps in the final two regular season games), including at least one sack in 10 straight games.
 
mussop said:
A self-starter, Nassib is a coach's dream with his work ethic, motivation and intelligence and he has the size and length that translates well to the next level. He plays with his hair on fire, but unless he competes with more control and strategy, he will have more negative than positive snaps against NFL competition. Although he needs more seasoning and likely won't start from day one, Nassib has the tools to compete for a NFL starting role by year two, fitting both even and odd fronts.

Strengths Weaknesses
STRENGTHS: Tall, long athlete with a large wingspan. Has worked hard in the weight room to fill out his frame, adding 60 pounds since high school. Improved snap anticipation and often the first linemen off the ball.
Long strides to eat up grass in a hurry off the edge and in pursuit to chase down plays away from the line of scrimmage. Comfortable on his feet to pedal, stay balanced in reverse and cover space. Very good initial momentum to launch off the line and convert his speed to power when he extends his arms into blockers.

Try-hard hustler with a motor that never quits. Humble, spiritual and football is important to him. Lives in the weight room and the concept of hard work was instilled in him at a young age. Intense practice player with a team-first attitude.

Smart on the field and off - two-time Academic All-Big Ten and graduated in December 2015 with a 3.5 GPA and degree in biology (plans to attend medical school one day to be a doctor). Athletic bloodlines as his older brother (Ryan) was a quarterback at Syracuse and 2013 fourth round pick of the New York Giants.

Impressive senior season on tape and on the stat sheet, setting a new school record for sacks (despite playing only four combined snaps in the final two regular season games), including at least one sack in 10 straight games.
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and like Watt he has gotten insanely better every year in college and he enjoys the Watt 6 hour workouts. Putt another 15-20 lbs of muscle on this kid and he could be very Wattish.

PS I would be somewhat surprised if he makes it to the 3rd rd.
 
We already have a Jihad. His name is peagan. He, they, bring NOTHING to the pass rush. Nassib is clearly more talented and is considered to have Watt like effort and fire. This "he doesn't fit our scheme is silly.
 
Texian said:
and like Watt he has gotten insanely better every year in college and he enjoys the Watt 6 hour workouts. Putt another 15-20 lbs of muscle on this kid and he could be very Wattish.

PS I would be somewhat surprised if he makes it to the 3rd rd.
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He was a one year wonder actually, which is another reason I'm skeptical.

This guy had 12 tackles as a sophomore and only 6 tackles as a junior before his huge senior year.

So, I'm a bit confused by this post.
 
[QUOTE="TexansSeminole, post: 2594579, member: 6275"]He was a one year wonder actually, which is another reason I'm skeptical.

This guy had 12 tackles as a sophomore and only 6 tackles as a junior before his huge senior year.

So, I'm a bit confused by this post.[/QUOTE]
Kinda of like Watt and Mercilus were one wonders. Like Watt, Nassib was a walk on, like Watt he got much better every year and unlike Watt had much better stats his last year. Nassib is much faster and is stronger than Jihad. Hey you're in good company Bill O'Brien told him he would never play in the NFL. :)
 
I was one of the two votes for the short draft instead of the many votes for a full draft. From past experiences it really boggs down from this point on and could take a couple of weeks to finish.
 
Calling Watt a one year wonder is a joke. He played two years at Wisconsin. He had 16 TFL as a SO and 21 TFL as a JR. Then he turned pro.

Nassib had 2 TFL as a SO, 3 as a JR, and 20 as a SR.

Mercilus had 3 TFL as a FR, 2 as a SO, and 23 as a JR. Then he turned pro.

Nassib is a better athlete than Ward. He's also 20 lbs lighter. Ward is much stronger on the football field. He played mostly 3 and 5 technique with some 7 mixed in. He's an interior player. Nassib has only ever played 7 and 9. He's an edge player. He would get abused at the point of attack if you put him in a 5 tech on a three man front. He would get run at every play. He's an oversized OLB in our system, much like Clowney.
 
Really the debate is whether or not you think Nassib can handle playing 5' technique at the NFL level. Personally, I'm not seeing it. He doesn't have the strength in his lower body to hold up at the POA and all of his production came as a Wide 9 rush end who played straight upfield and never got double teamed. He only had 4 run stops last year despite Austin Johnson and Anthony Zettel eating double teams on every play. He should have been way more disruptive against the run. Everyone makes a big deal about Watt's pass rushing productivity, but it's his ability to destroy blocks at the POA and end run plays in the backfield that make him so hard to game plan against.

To me, Nassib is a lot like Clowney. He's an ideal 4-3 end who is a bit of a tweener in a 3-4 because he lacks the power to anchor inside and is out of his element standing up and playing in space. For the record, I'm not a big fan of the Ward pick either. Solid player and good scheme fit but he offers very little pass rush which makes him a 4th/5th rounder in my eyes.
 
I nominate Tyler Matakevich for the Packers group pick. I think he's far and away the best choice for them right here.
 
The Green Bay Packers are a BLAKE team. So we need to group pick this.

So far, they've gotten:
Jarran Reed, DT, Alabama
Shilique Calhoun, OLB/DE, Michigan State

According to some sources they need: ILB, RB, DE, depth OT, depth WR.

So some quick options:

Kentrell Brothers, ILB, Missouri
Pharoh Cooper, WR, South Carolina
Devontae Booker, RB, Utah
Alex Collins, RB, Arkansas
Rashard Higgins, WR, Colorado State
Charles Tapper, DE, Oklahoma
Dominique Alexander, ILB, Oklahoma
Jordan Howard, RB, Indiana
Leonte Carroo, WR, Rutgers
 
I like Matakevich, but I'm a bit skeptical about him. That said, man he feels very Green Bay.

Sounds good to me.
 
bah007 said:
Calling Watt a one year wonder is a joke. He played two years at Wisconsin. He had 16 TFL as a SO and 21 TFL as a JR. Then he turned pro.

Nassib had 2 TFL as a SO, 3 as a JR, and 20 as a SR.

Mercilus had 3 TFL as a FR, 2 as a SO, and 23 as a JR. Then he turned pro.

Nassib is a better athlete than Ward. He's also 20 lbs lighter. Ward is much stronger on the football field. He played mostly 3 and 5 technique with some 7 mixed in. He's an interior player. Nassib has only ever played 7 and 9. He's an edge player. He would get abused at the point of attack if you put him in a 5 tech on a three man front. He would get run at every play. He's an oversized OLB in our system, much like Clowney.
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We disagree, we see it differently, Nassib IMO has a much much higher ceiling and when he bulks up to 290 - 300 he could be a terror anywhere along the line. Ward will be a JAG. The biggest complaint agaist Mercilus is he was a one year wonder. Watt was a walk on after transferring.
 
So right now it's:

Matakevich: WolverineFan, bah007, ThePencilNeck
Brothers: Mollywhopper, Marshall, mussop

Need some more votes and I'm going to be shutting down for the night.

So.

Work it out. Chop chop.
 
Matakevich: WolverineFan, bah007, ThePencilNeck, Mollywhopper, infantrycak
Brothers: Marshall, mussop, Lucky
 
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I would go with Brothers based upon special teams play. I don't think either guy would beat out the Pack's starting ILBs.
 
Texian said:
We disagree, we see it differently, Nassib IMO has a much much higher ceiling and when he bulks up to 290 - 300 he could be a terror anywhere along the line. Ward will be a JAG. The biggest complaint agaist Mercilus is he was a one year wonder. Watt was a walk on after transferring.
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We can agree to disagree. That's fine by me. I have no ill will toward anyone that likes Nassib. I like him myself actually. Just not in our scheme.

But just because Watt transferred and walked on doesn't mean he was a one year wonder. He was a two time all conference player. By nature of getting that honor more than once he could not have been a one year wonder like Mercilus and Nassib.

And I don't think you'll ever see Nassib at 290+ lbs. If you do it won't be good weight. That kid weighed 215 lbs just four years ago. I think you overestimate his ability to keep getting bigger. A frame can only carry so much weight before it starts to do more harm than good.
 
@austins23 is out for the weekend but he sent me his pick.

With the #89 pick the Pittsburgh Steelers select:

Dominique Alexander - ILB, Oklahoma
 
With the #90 pick the Seahawks select:

Jordan Howard - RB, Indiana

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Howard is a perfect fit in our power run system. We like Rawls but this pick gives us a great young combo of backs with the vision and power running style to hopefully make up for the loss of Lynch.


@steelbtexan is now on the clock for New England.
 
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