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dream_team said:
I'm fine with speculation. Was just checking if there's any meat to this, since the "BOB didn't want Watson" mantra is repeated often around here.

BOB at some point has benched every QB that played on the Texans. He even benched the high priced FA in Brock. So yah, BOB could have sat Watson his rookie year if he truly didn't want him.
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Brock was Smith and McNair. OB didn't know he was coming here and he was told to play him. After the FO saw how bad he was they allowed OB to switch. It has been talked about before
 
dream_team said:
You're forgetting overpaying for Nick Martin, Brandon Dunn, Eric Murray, Randall Cobb. Trading for high priced players in David Johnson & Brandon Cooks. Using high picks to acquire Duke Johnson & Gareon Conley.

I won't even get to our underachieving draft picks the last two seasons.
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Exactly

You’re spot on
 
En1gma57 said:
Brock was Smith and McNair. OB didn't know he was coming here and he was told to play him. After the FO saw how bad he was they allowed OB to switch. It has been talked about before
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And why did they do that? Inquiring minds would like to hear the full story.
 
badboy said:
Texans think they still have shot at new playoff with more teams. 4th and 5th for Fuller plus paying part of his salary wasn't on their go list.
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And I think that's what part of the problem is here. They look up into the rafters and see those awesome division banners and think they've accomplished something, that that's good enough. Yes, I get that you have to make the playoffs to have a shot at winning a title, but it's been proven time and time again that once they start playing these legitimate title contenders, they're not on that level. That's what's got to change. There's a difference between being a playoff contender (which they're making it easier to do now), and being a title contender, and the Texans are a perfect example of that.

When do we become a team that stops playing for the fabric (banners) and starts playing for the hardware (Lombardi's)?
 
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dream_team said:
You're forgetting overpaying for Nick Martin, Brandon Dunn, Eric Murray, Randall Cobb. Trading for high priced players in David Johnson & Brandon Cooks. Using high picks to acquire Duke Johnson & Gareon Conley.

I won't even get to our underachieving draft picks the last two seasons.
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Don’t forget overpaying for John Christian Ka'iminoeauloameka'ikeokekumupa'a Fairbairn too.
 
Speedy said:
And I think that's what part of the problem is here. They look up into the rafters and see those awesome division banners and think they've accomplished something, that that's good enough. Yes, I get that you have to make the playoffs to have a shot at winning a title, but it's it's been proven time and time again that once they start playing these legitimate title contenders, they're not on that level. That's what's got to change. There's a difference between being a playoff contender (which they're making it easier to do now), and being a title contender, and the Texans are a perfect example of that.

When do we become a team that stops playing for the fabric (banners) and starts playing for the hardware (Lombardi's)?
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You going to hold the new regime to the same standard as the old one in yr 1?
 
Double Barrel said:
Honestly, it makes the Texans front office look like a complete joke to the rest of the country. . .as well to many of us in H-town.

Demanding a 2nd for an injury prone player not signed to a long term deal, but taking peanuts for one of the best WRs in the game because he doesn't fit their moral profile, just friggin' goofy, at best.

And don't blather about money, because fans themselves have already debunked that false narrative.
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If the team will receive a third via compensatory pick, why would they accept anything less than a 2?
 
PHILLYTEXANFAN said:
If the team will receive a third via compensatory pick, why would they accept anything less than a 2?
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Its a 3rd in 2022 and that 3rd is after the 32 normal picks , essentially a top of the 4th round pick.

I'd have taken a 3rd in this draft and the almost $8m in cap rollover it would have generated.

Cap space is very important to this team because of all its bad contracts.

Again , in 2021 they are $11,814,536 over the cap with 38 players under contract. $8m is a big deal to them. That move alone put them at only $3.8 over.
 
steelbtexan said:
You going to hold the new regime to the same standard as the old one in yr 1?
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Due to my life experiences, I hold most everything to higher standards including people, material things and myself. One year isn't enough nor is it fair but I just don't care. At this point it is up to Texans to keep me interested and a fan. If that occurs, sure I give more time but I'm more poop on me once..you get an uppercut. :slapfight:
 
badboy said:
Due to my life experiences, I hold most everything to higher standards including people, material things and myself. One year isn't enough nor is it fair but I just don't care. At this point it is up to Texans to keep me interested and a fan. If that occurs, sure I give more time but I'm more poop on me once..you get an uppercut. :slapfight:
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I'm with you on this.

I think this has more to do with getting older.
 
Corrosion said:
Its a 3rd in 2022 and that 3rd is after the 32 normal picks , essentially a top of the 4th round pick.

I'd have taken a 3rd in this draft and the almost $8m in cap rollover it would have generated.

Cap space is very important to this team because of all its bad contracts.

Again , in 2021 they are $11,814,536 over the cap with 38 players under contract. $8m is a big deal to them. That move alone put them at only $3.8 over.
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It was reported Green Bay offered a 4th and a fifth supposedly 2020 & if Pack does as well as most think they would have been very low in each round. Not arguing if we should've but Texans still think they can win. I have to admire sticking to belief even if I don't see it happening.
 
badboy said:
It was reported Green Bay offered a 4th and a fifth supposedly 2020 & if Pack does as well as most think they would have been very low in each round. Not arguing if we should've but Texans still think they can win. I have to admire sticking to belief even if I don't see it happening.
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I wouldn't have taken a 4th & 5th .... but I'd have taken a 3rd in this years draft.

I think asking for a 2nd was a bit much for a rental but they'd have gotten a comp pick around #100ish in 22 if he walked.

A third equates to the Texans getting a pick about 12-15 spots higher overall assuming they make the divisional round and a year earlier without the potential to not get a pick if they sign QFA's.
 
Corrosion said:
I wouldn't have taken a 4th & 5th .... but I'd have taken a 3rd in this years draft.

I think asking for a 2nd was a bit much for a rental but they'd have gotten a comp pick around #100ish in 22 if he walked.

A third equates to the Texans getting a pick about 12-15 spots higher overall assuming they make the divisional round and a year earlier without the potential to not get a pick if they sign QFA's.
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I was down for a third for Fuller also. The cap plus his health = TRADE! Perhaps Watson did have something to do with keeping Fuller here and maybe he will continue his current production and health and then extend for a very good deal for Houston.
 
Corrosion said:
I wouldn't have taken a 4th & 5th .... but I'd have taken a 3rd in this years draft.

I think asking for a 2nd was a bit much for a rental but they'd have gotten a comp pick around #100ish in 22 if he walked.

A third equates to the Texans getting a pick about 12-15 spots higher overall assuming they make the divisional round and a year earlier without the potential to not get a pick if they sign QFA's.
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badboy said:
I was down for a third for Fuller also. The cap plus his health = TRADE! Perhaps Watson did have something to do with keeping Fuller here and maybe he will continue his current production and health and then extend for a very good deal for Houston.
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Remember the key to negotiating is to over ask or under bid. Texans could have easily been asking for a 2nd rounder, but willing to accept a 3rd. Just no one bit.
 
thunderkyss said:
For me it's not about changing the system to fit the QB. It's about helping a young QB adjust to the NFL game. Simplifying concepts, cutting down half the field, moving the pocket, using motion to help identify defenses, using motion & misdirection, RB/TE screens. There were a lot of things BO'b could have done to help Watson adjust to the speed of the game, that he didn't. Things that were done for Mahomes. Things Mahomes still incorporate into his pro game.
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You mean like holding a clipboard for 15 games instead of one half of one game? OB (or somebody) did a fantastic job of scheming an offense for DW4 in his rookie season. After that, the "training wheels" came off and it's been a mult-car wreck mixed with a dumpster fire.
 
badboy said:
Uh..Fuller will not be on roster after 2020 season ends for anyone to do anything with. Unless extended or traded by 3p today and as far as I can find out he was not; he is gone as a free agent after season. Just a thought, before calling someone an idiot, you might want to verify you are not talking to the mirror.
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Then you let the new GM/HC decided if they want to re-sign him.
 
badboy said:
It was reported Green Bay offered a 4th and a fifth supposedly 2020 & if Pack does as well as most think they would have been very low in each round. Not arguing if we should've but Texans still think they can win. I have to admire sticking to belief even if I don't see it happening.
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So you admire their stupidity?
 
badboy said:
The issue was if traded by deadline his remaining salary of over $5 million could be used next year when desperately need plus what Texans got in trade. It is simply not the same now we are beyond the 2020 trade deadline.
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Yep and the new regime could re-sign WFV if they want to in FA. It would have been a win-win
 
steelbtexan said:
So you admire their stupidity?
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See there you go...you just think if you believe something is stupid it must be stupid. If McNairs want to battle for wins that doesn't make it stupid. You try to make everyone think like you do and most of us just not going to do it. You and a few others don't state your opinion and then move on you try to put somebody in a headlock thrown to the ground and kick them until they agree with you.
 
Speedy said:
And I think that's what part of the problem is here. They look up into the rafters and see those awesome division banners and think they've accomplished something, that that's good enough. Yes, I get that you have to make the playoffs to have a shot at winning a title, but it's it's been proven time and time again that once they start playing these legitimate title contenders, they're not on that level. That's what's got to change. There's a difference between being a playoff contender (which they're making it easier to do now), and being a title contender, and the Texans are a perfect example of that.

When do we become a team that stops playing for the fabric (banners) and starts playing for the hardware (Lombardi's)?
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Yep. Those banners are just the equivalent of playoff participation trophies, but certainly not indicative of any type of true greatness.

This franchise has never beaten a truly great team in the postseason. Ever.
 
badboy said:
See there you go...you just think if you believe something is stupid it must be stupid. If McNairs want to battle for wins that doesn't make it stupid. You try to make everyone think like you do and most of us just not going to do it. You and a few others don't state your opinion and then move on you try to put somebody in a headlock thrown to the ground and kick them until they agree with you.
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Thinking this Texans are going to make the playoffs is flat out stupid.

You can choose to believe this or not. I'm not trying to sway anybody.

I was looking for discussion and certainly not trying to do what you're saying here. (I do enjoy debate) I think you're being a little overly dramatic.
 
DocBar said:
OB (or somebody) did a fantastic job of scheming an offense for DW4 in his rookie season. After that, the "training wheels" came off
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I don't think that was "training wheels." There was nothing in those 6 games to help him adjust to the NFL, especially considering he was put in a straight pocket passer "scheme" the next season.

But yes... something like that.
 
Texansballer74 said:
And why did they do that? Inquiring minds would like to hear the full story.
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It's been told many times before. McNair wanted him, Smith wanted him and OB was not included in the choice. He was quoted saying he was unaware that he was coming until he saw the report. Why? Because Brock filled in in Denver and won...and was interested in signing.
 
badboy said:
I was down for a third for Fuller also. The cap plus his health = TRADE! Perhaps Watson did have something to do with keeping Fuller here and maybe he will continue his current production and health and then extend for a very good deal for Houston.
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And that's ANOTHER problem with this team. A QB should not be on a panel to pick a GM or HC. And if a GM or HC came in and didn't want the current QB it is what it is. Let alone IF a QB is the reason a player is not moved and used to help get more pieces in the draft to improve the team.
 
En1gma57 said:
It's been told many times before. McNair wanted him, Smith wanted him and OB was not included in the choice. He was quoted saying he was unaware that he was coming until he saw the report. Why? Because Brock filled in in Denver and won...and was interested in signing.
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Wrong answer! What led to that hasty decision?

Why was McNair so ticked off?
 
En1gma57 said:
And that's ANOTHER problem with this team. A QB should not be on a panel to pick a GM or HC. And if a GM or HC came in and didn't want the current QB it is what it is. Let alone IF a QB is the reason a player is not moved and used to help get more pieces in the draft to improve the team.
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Tell the Buccaneers they shouldn’t allow Brady to make the decision to bring on Antonio Brown.

Literally thinking too deep on this situation.
 
Double Barrel said:
Easterby is one of four on the search team. This we know through trusted sources. The others are Cal, Watson, and pancakes.

That is not an all-star search committee.

That Easterby is neither a football mind nor is he trusted by anyone in the NFL should be a little alarming to Texans fans seeing that he's now the owner's new BFF. Easterby has been described by many in the national media as a smile with a lust for power. Nothing he's done so far as undermined that narrative.

Obviously, everyone has a right to their opinion, and I don't blame those that are not alarmed. It's business as usual on Kirby, so expect status quo. I'm not here to argue about it.

But, I will continue to openly express my thoughts since I know the traffic to this site is a lot larger than the membership. Maybe, just maybe, the fan collective distrust seeps into the jet-stream of someone that can tell the front office that they look like a bunch of unqualified amateurs. The franchise is currently a laughing stock, both locally and nationally.

I study history and historical cycles, and everything about their current set up points to fundamental dysfunction. Again, just my perspective, but I adjust my expectations accordingly. . .meaning I have low to no expectations for this owner to do anything bold or significant.

Yeah, Cal will eventually hire a HC, and I assume a GM, and we will wave our pom poms and hope will spring eternal.

But, the boardroom consensus mentality is still there, and Jack Easterby will have a seat at it. Pancakes even admitted this much. I just don't trust any of it.
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Have you seen Dallas Cowgirls? Owner/GM makes BoB look BRILLIANT, 4 playoff wins in 25 years, 40% of cap on IR SHITESHOW
 
Double Barrel said:
Good stuff, man, and I respect your take. Like you said, much of this is the great UNKNOWN. 'Hope for the best' kind of stuff.

That said, while I do hope for the best, I also mentally prepare for the worst. Basically, tempered expectations

I've given your points some thought overnight, and I'd like to offer the following in response to a couple of your points:

1. I completely understand your perspectives about Jerry Jones and Robert Kraft. They got lucky in many ways. However, there's an old saying that comes to mind here: "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity". Both of these guy were self-made men. While making their fortunes, they understood how to evaluate people, how to build something by being educated about the subject and knowing when/where/how to find the right hires. Bob McNair was like this in many ways. Unfortunately, this is not Cal. It never has been. I'm not saying this to denigrate the man. Rather, it's just an honest look at who he is.

2. The second point sort of ties into the first one. Neither Jones nor Kraft had Jack Easterby looking over their shoulder and potentially clouding the hiring process. Reports of distrust of Easterby are coming from many places, both locally and nationally. He's not qualified to evaluate football minds. There is nothing in his history or resume that would suggest it. And the inherent problem is that potential HC & GM candidates might be wary of having this guy as a part of their staff. Trust is a vital component of any relationship, especially in a pressure cooker of an NFL front office. Having a guy that nobody trusts and respects at the table making decisions, knowing that he's got the ear of the owner the entire time. . .well, let's just say that it's a dysfunctional situation that many men might just avoid altogether.

The following video with John Granato and AJ Hoffman is very interesting in this regard. More food for thought is all.

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1 point Cleveland hired Dorsey a baseball guy, he got rid of dead money, players ended with a fistful of picks. Maybe a non-NFL guy is needed, besides most of these "experts" were so good why aren't working for teams
 
Texansballer74 said:
Tell the Buccaneers they shouldn’t allow Brady to make the decision to bring on Antonio Brown.

Literally thinking too deep on this situation.
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Brady is a 20 year vet with 6 rings and by all accounts has pretty much run the Pats offense for the last 10 years. Even with all that there is a HUGE difference in a QB pushing for a WR and a QB pushing for a HC. Thats like getting to hire your own boss. While I'm not against them talking to Watson about what their plans are or get his input, or really any other player on the team, to compare the two situations is comparing apples and oranges.
 
cowtownjohn58 said:
1 point Cleveland hired Dorsey a baseball guy, he got rid of dead money, players ended with a fistful of picks. Maybe a non-NFL guy is needed, besides most of these "experts" were so good why aren't working for teams
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That DePodesta you're thinking about.

He came on when Sashi Brown was hire and the Haslem's kept him on after Dorsey was hired/fired and is still there under Berry.
 
maverick512000 said:
Brady is a 20 year vet with 6 rings and by all accounts has pretty much run the Pats offense for the last 10 years. Even with all that there is a HUGE difference in a QB pushing for a WR and a QB pushing for a HC. Thats like getting to hire your own boss. While I'm not against them talking to Watson about what their plans are or get his input, or really any other player on the team, to compare the two situations is comparing apples and oranges.
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He knows this

Comparing Brady to DW4 in any way is laughable.

TB's said before it's not fair to compare DW4 to Brady.

Brady doesn't have the clout that DW4 currently has even though for the last 13 games he's been avg at best. Cletus has put this franchise in a position to be a bottom feeder franchise for the decade, unless Cletus gets extremely lucky.

What winning franchise has on their GM/HC search committee,

1. Cleyus
2. A preacher man
3. A beat writer
4. Their QB

SMDH
 
steelbtexan said:
He knows this

Comparing Brady to DW4 in any way is laughable.

TB's said before it's not fair to compare DW4 to Brady.

Brady doesn't have the clout that DW4 currently has even though for the last 13 games he's been avg at best. Cletus has put this franchise in a position to be a bottom feeder franchise for the decade, unless Cletus gets extremely lucky.

What winning franchise has on their GM/HC search committee,

1. Cleyus
2. A preacher man
3. A beat writer
4. Their QB

SMDH
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I thought the Texans hired Jed Hughes with the Korn Ferry firm to find the next GM/HC with outside help from Texans president Jamey Rootes. The committee of experts (Easterby, McClain, Watson) will be available to provide opinion to Jed Hughes.
 
theCATALYST said:
I thought the Texans hired Jed Hughes with the Korn Ferry firm to find the next GM/HC with outside help from Texans president Jamey Rootes. The committee of experts (Easterby, McClain, Watson) will be available to provide opinion to Jed Hughes.
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Its been confirmed thru multiple sources that the Texans also have an internal coaching search committee comprised of Cal , Easterby , Watson and John McClain.
 
Corrosion said:
Its been confirmed thru multiple sources that the Texans also have an internal coaching search committee comprised of Cal , Easterby , Watson and John McClain.
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The formal term, according to Cal himself, is "ad hoc committee". Just to clarify. ;)

He mentioned adding a retired player to his little hiring party, too. This just gets goofier and goofier.
 
Mr teX said:
All NFL franchises have that “Morality horse crap”. Talented guys are passed on, traded and drafted much lower than their talent suggests they should be every year b/c of that same mentality by all franchises. it’s not exclusive to the McNair and the Texans.
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I did not have time to reply to this and I wanted to give you a fair response since you typed up so many thoughts for little ol' me.

On the above, I'd hope that you are not believing that ALL NFL teams have the same exact "morality rules" (or whatever they want to call them).

Why would Arizona take on such a troubled child as Nuk if that were the case? Matter of fact, what exactly did Nuk do that would invoke such a high and mighty response by the Texans? Let's talk Aaron Hernandez, baby mamas, and Instagram models! lol This is the truth. It's just silly, that's all.

Teams in the league certainly have different metrics than the Texans. The Texans have always had a mandate from Bob McNair - and now obviously Janice - to have a choir boy sort of image, and they hire and fire accordingly. Even if it means fielding a lesser talented team. They put their image - i.e. marketing - ahead of the actual product on the field (always have). And this inherent fundamental policy is why these owners will NEVER sniff a championship game.

Mr teX said:
2nd, I don’t think you can proclaim that the offense “needed” Nuk. What we’re seeing on offense was likely gonna be the same with or without him and I don’t think his presence changes the results on offense or in the win column for us. We were likely losing those 1st 3 games with or without him b/c of this defense....probably still lose that Minny game as well for the same reason. At the end of the day, he’s just 1 guy ......1 guy that don’t play defense to boot. He’s really really good, but still just 1 guy .....apart from that, he hadn’t seem to make all that big of a difference for us on offense in the prior years he was here under 2 different regimes.
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We don't need a franchise QB, either, if wins and losses in 2020 are your metric to judge such things.

It turns our we don't need JJ Watt, either, considering he was here for a 2-14 season and wherever 2020 ends up.

Interesting concept: It's a team sport, made up of individuals. The talent of those individuals actually matter. This is Captain Obvious stuff. You are really trying hard to justify something that is nothing but straw man logic to distract from the boneheaded decisions of the Texans front office.

Mr teX said:
Also let’s not kid ourselves and act like we were leaps and bounds better with him on offense than we are now at this very moment. Fact is, since BoB’s been out of the pic, Watson and by extension the offense have looked at least as good as it did in DW4’s rookie year in those 1st 7 games...and we’re doing it without him now.
Apart from that what we know is Nuk was a team player.... ....as long as he was being paid according to his perceived value...the minute the terms of his deal shifted out of his favor, he started bitching. Does it mean you trade him for veritable peanuts, no. But I don’t think you can assume that he would’ve continued to be a team player if his contract wasn’t renegotiated. As has been said several times, Duane Brown was a great team guy until he wasn’t and started holding out in the regular season for a new deal.
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Please point to me to this bitching that you speak of by Nuk. I honestly do not recall it being as terrible as you seem to believe.

Dudes get one shot in the NFL. And last I checked, we watch players, not owners.

I will never understand fans defending the massive profits of multi-billion dollar entertainment corporations while dogging on the actual men that sacrifice their bodies (and often healthy futures) to entertain us.

As far as Nuk being a team player as long as he paid; Well, I'm sure you would be just as good of a worker if you got paid less than you are worth. I mean, that's just how human nature works, right? C'mon, man, this is a silly, shallow argument.

Nuk is a potential HoF talent. Why shouldn't he be compensated as such?

Mr teX said:
You are correct all pro players want more money. it doesn’t mean that you trade good players away for peanuts, but it doesn’t mean you entertain their requests b/c they’re a good player either. Especially when you’re in the midst of trying to make sure you’ve got enough money to extend 2 of your more important, franchise defining players.

And just quite Frankly, as good as Nuk is, he can be replaced and be replaced rather EASILY.
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lol. My inner snark wants to quote from Billy Madison, but I will just leave it with we will just have to agree to disagree if you actually believe a talent like Nuk is "EASILY" replaced. Thanks for the humor, though, however unintended it might be.
 
theCATALYST said:
I thought the Texans hired Jed Hughes with the Korn Ferry firm to find the next GM/HC with outside help from Texans president Jamey Rootes. The committee of experts (Easterby, McClain, Watson) will be available to provide opinion to Jed Hughes.
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When they hired Dan Reeves, he did an evaluation of all personnel and recommend Kubiak as HC.

As much as I thought Bob Mcnair was a bad owner atleast he was smart enough to know what he didn't know and hired a football lifer to guide him.

Apparently Cal didn't inherit this quality from his daddy.
 
Double Barrel said:
I did not have time to reply to this and I wanted to give you a fair response since you typed up so many thoughts for little ol' me.

On the above, I'd hope that you are not believing that ALL NFL teams have the same exact "morality rules" (or whatever they want to call them).

Why would Arizona take on such a troubled child as Nuk if that were the case? Matter of fact, what exactly did Nuk do that would invoke such a high and mighty response by the Texans? Let's talk Aaron Hernandez, baby mamas, and Instagram models! lol This is the truth. It's just silly, that's all.

Teams in the league certainly have different metrics than the Texans. The Texans have always had a mandate from Bob McNair - and now obviously Janice - to have a choir boy sort of image, and they hire and fire accordingly. Even if it means fielding a lesser talented team. They put their image - i.e. marketing - ahead of the actual product on the field (always have). And this inherent fundamental policy is why these owners will NEVER sniff a championship game.



We don't need a franchise QB, either, if wins and losses in 2020 are your metric to judge such things.

It turns our we don't need JJ Watt, either, considering he was here for a 2-14 season and wherever 2020 ends up.

Interesting concept: It's a team sport, made up of individuals. The talent of those individuals actually matter. This is Captain Obvious stuff. You are really trying hard to justify something that is nothing but straw man logic to distract from the boneheaded decisions of the Texans front office.



Please point to me to this bitching that you speak of by Nuk. I honestly do not recall it being as terrible as you seem to believe.

Dudes get one shot in the NFL. And last I checked, we watch players, not owners.

I will never understand fans defending the massive profits of multi-billion dollar entertainment corporations while dogging on the actual men that sacrifice their bodies (and often healthy futures) to entertain us.

As far as Nuk being a team player as long as he paid; Well, I'm sure you would be just as good of a worker if you got paid less than you are worth. I mean, that's just how human nature works, right? C'mon, man, this is a silly, shallow argument.

Nuk is a potential HoF talent. Why shouldn't he be compensated as such?



lol. My inner snark wants to quote from Billy Madison, but I will just leave it with we will just have to agree to disagree if you actually believe a talent like Nuk is "EASILY" replaced. Thanks for the humor, though, however unintended it might be.
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Totally agree on the first part of this post.

2nd part answer is because he signed a contract that at the time was a market setter for WR's and of I was in charge I would have made him play it out for atleast another year.

3rd part is he was traded for non financial reasons. Which wouldn't have been a problem if they had made him honor his contract and not paid him if things got really nasty.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Tell the Buccaneers they shouldn’t allow Brady to make the decision to bring on Antonio Brown.

Literally thinking too deep on this situation.
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Watson is NOT Brady
Texansballer74 said:
Wrong answer! What led to that hasty decision?

Why was McNair so ticked off?
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Watson is NOT Brady. N
Texansballer74 said:
Tell the Buccaneers they shouldn’t allow Brady to make the decision to bring on Antonio Brown.

Literally thinking too deep on this situation.
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Let's get it straight, Watson is NOT Brady. He is not even in the same zip code as Brady. You have Brady, Brees, Rogers and Big Ben. The last of the multiple MVP, SB Champion winning and HOF bound QBs. Then you have Mahomes, Jackson and Wentz who are right on the cusp of top QB in the league talk and SB winner/MVP. Then you have a Watson and others. Make no mistake he is good, but he is not yet there.
 
En1gma57 said:
Watson is NOT Brady


Watson is NOT Brady. N


Let's get it straight, Watson is NOT Brady. He is not even in the same zip code as Brady. You have Brady, Brees, Rogers and Big Ben. The last of the multiple MVP, SB Champion winning and HOF bound QBs. Then you have Mahomes, Jackson and Wentz who are right on the cusp of top QB in the league talk and SB winner/MVP. Then you have a Watson and others. Make no mistake he is good, but he is not yet there.
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Nobody said he was but he is the face of this franchise. So he’s going to have a say whether you like it or not.
 
steelbtexan said:
When they hired Dan Reeves, he did an evaluation of all personnel and recommend Kubiak as HC.

As much as I thought Bob Mcnair was a bad owner atleast he was smart enough to know what he didn't know and hired a football lifer to guide him.

Apparently Cal didn't inherit this quality from his daddy.
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No he didn't. Watson on the panel and no football lifer on it? JJ is better for the panel than Watson. And he could have a negative affect on the GM and HC candidates. Some are going to feel like he is given too much power and pass on the job.
 
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