Texans random thought of the day

[Lucky]

I don’t know how all the voidable cap years work. Someone can point out my errors, but I did a quick google search and came up with this chart. It is dated 5 months ago. So it may not be as up to date

The information I get from this chart as while Caserio uses voidable contract years it is nothing like the Eagles of Browns. Definitely not the same strategy.

Good find. But could you make you pics a little more mobile device friendly?

Here are the 7 contracts the Texans currently have that contain voidable years and the $ amount:

Stefon Diggs - $16.644 million
Danielle Hunter - $12.6 million
Tytus Howard - $5.175 million
Azeez Al-Shaair - $4.4 million
Shaq Mason - $3.216 million
Denico Autry - $3 million
Foley Fatukasi - $2.083 million

That's a little over $47 million in future cap hits. That doesn't include the $23 million in dead money the Texans are still carrying in voidable years for players no longer on the Texans roster.

Is this a problem? Not really. This is the price of playing poker when building a championship level roster. And this will only get more prevalent as guys like Stingley, Anderson, Dell, and of course Stroud get extensions. My issue with the remarks above is criticizing other teams using this accounting technique, but claiming Caserio is a genius for doing the exact same thing. Teams that have the most veteran talent have to push $$$ forward to keep talent on the roster.

 

[Sweech]

Caserio isn't shy using voidable years as the Texans have 7 contracts containing them.

I'm talking voidable years with HUGE $'s at the end of them.

What Caserio does is what lot's of teams do with $5 or $6 mil here or there on voidable years on contracts. Diggs is probably the biggest one Caserio has done with over $16 mil in a void year.

What I'm talking about is Jalen Hurts having an over $97 million dollar void year. Lane Johnson with huge void year $. $50 plus million on a void year in AJ Brown's contract.

Seriously look at the Eagle's contracts, they have HUGE (like batshit insane) money tied into void years.

Philadelphia Eagles Salary Cap | Over the Cap

Philadelphia Eagles salary cap, contracts, bonus money, dead money, and cap savings for every player

overthecap.com

The Browns are doing similar.

It looks like insane short term thinking from those teams. It feels like they're banking on the league giving them some kind of amnesty so the teams don't sink because they end up having contracts like this which almost negate them from even being capable of fielding a legal team other than a whole 53 of vet minimum players, or they're hoping the cap skyrockets.

Or the GMs are just saying eff it, we'll just leave and it will be someone else's problem. Either way some of the money looks genuinely insane.

 

[Sweech]

Good find. But could you make you pics a little more mobile device friendly?

Here are the 7 contracts the Texans currently have that contain voidable years and the $ amount:

Stefon Diggs - $16.644 million
Danielle Hunter - $12.6 million
Tytus Howard - $5.175 million
Azeez Al-Shaair - $4.4 million
Shaq Mason - $3.216 million
Denico Autry - $3 million
Foley Fatukasi - $2.083 million

That's a little over $47 million in future cap hits. That doesn't include the $23 million in dead money the Texans are still carrying in voidable years for players no longer on the Texans roster.

Is this a problem? Not really. This is the price of playing poker when building a championship level roster. And this will only get more prevalent as guys like Stingley, Anderson, Dell, and of course Stroud get extensions. My issue with the remarks above is criticizing other teams using this accounting technique, but claiming Caserio is a genius for doing the exact same thing. Teams that have the most veteran talent have to push $$$ forward to keep talent on the roster.

I think you need to look less at the Texans contracts and more at the Eagles and Browns ones.

What the Texans do with void years is pretty tame and average for NFL teams.

 

[santo]

I think we used to have a Emoji like that?

It looks more like a squirrel but we do have one.

 

[TheRealJoker V2]

Looks like Texans might have agreed with me.

Report: Texans were in the mix for pass rusher Matthew Judon before Falcons trade

Matthew Judon seemed destined to get traded before the 2024 NFL season began. The New England Patriots are officially in rebuild mode and Judon, who enters the final year of his current contract, could bring in substantial value for what's currently

sports.yahoo.com

Matthew Judon seemed destined to get traded before the 2024 NFL season began. The New England Patriots are officially in rebuild mode and Judon, who enters the...

I like the Texans are always looking for ways to improve the roster. Would have been fun with Judon added to the defense but ultimately didn’t work out.

Caserio leaves no stone unturned. Going to be a fun season!

 

[Lucky]

I'm talking voidable years with HUGE $'s at the end of them.

What Caserio does is what lot's of teams do with $5 or $6 mil here or there on voidable years on contracts. Diggs is probably the biggest one Caserio has done with over $16 mil in a void year.

Look at the cap numbers this year for the Eagles. No player has a cap hit of $16 million. They have Devonta Smith at $8 million and Landon Dickerson at $6 million this season. Bryce Huff signed a $51 million contract and carries a cap hit of just over $4 million. If you want a roster with this much talent, this is what it takes. And like I said regarding the Texans, look forward a year or two for the extensions they will have to make. The Texans are already moving in this direction, with only Tunsil carrying a $20+ million cap hit. And it would surprise no one if his salary is spread out with voidable years next season, if necessary.

The Eagles are in win now mode. Many of their top players won't be around in a couple of years. Then, the rebuild begins. That's the cycle. The Texans will face the same decisions in the future in order to keep their championship window open.

 

[TexansBull]

Good find. But could you make you pics a little more mobile device friendly?

Here are the 7 contracts the Texans currently have that contain voidable years and the $ amount:

Stefon Diggs - $16.644 million
Danielle Hunter - $12.6 million
Tytus Howard - $5.175 million
Azeez Al-Shaair - $4.4 million
Shaq Mason - $3.216 million
Denico Autry - $3 million
Foley Fatukasi - $2.083 million

That's a little over $47 million in future cap hits. That doesn't include the $23 million in dead money the Texans are still carrying in voidable years for players no longer on the Texans roster.

Is this a problem? Not really. This is the price of playing poker when building a championship level roster. And this will only get more prevalent as guys like Stingley, Anderson, Dell, and of course Stroud get extensions. My issue with the remarks above is criticizing other teams using this accounting technique, but claiming Caserio is a genius for doing the exact same thing. Teams that have the most veteran talent have to push $$$ forward to keep talent on the roster.

In regards to the image, I downloaded on mobile and uploaded on mobile. And I use Tapatalk so that plays a role.

You could ask whether the image is a rumor or if I have a link to it and I will happily supply the link.

Or - you could do what @Speedy recommends and it is to G-O-O-G-L-E the image. There is reverse image search. This sh t isn’t that f’ing hard.

 

[Texansphan]

Look at the cap numbers this year for the Eagles. No player has a cap hit of $16 million. They have Devonta Smith at $8 million and Landon Dickerson at $6 million this season. Bryce Huff signed a $51 million contract and carries a cap hit of just over $4 million. If you want a roster with this much talent, this is what it takes. And like I said regarding the Texans, look forward a year or two for the extensions they will have to make. The Texans are already moving in this direction, with only Tunsil carrying a $20+ million cap hit. And it would surprise no one if his salary is spread out with voidable years next season, if necessary.

The Eagles are in win now mode. Many of their top players won't be around in a couple of years. Then, the rebuild begins. That's the cycle. The Texans will face the same decisions in the future in order to keep their championship window open.

I hoping they find Tunsils replacement soon - preferably a rookie. I'm hoping Fisher may develop but we'll have to wait and see.
From now on, we need to draft a LT every draft in the hope we hit on a good one - just like you would for a QB.

 

[Lucky]

I hoping they find Tunsils replacement soon - preferably a rookie. I'm hoping Fisher may develop but we'll have to wait and see.
From now on, we need to draft a LT every draft in the hope we hit on a good one - just like you would for a QB.

It's not a bad idea. OT is a priority position, and it's much more cost effective to develop your own.

 

[Lucky]

Or - you could do what @Speedy recommends and it is to G-O-O-G-L-E the image. There is reverse image search. This sh t isn’t that f’ing hard.

Are you OK today? Sounds like you need a Snickers.

I got the gist of the chart. It looks like the Eagles and Browns are outliers in regard to voidable years. But these deals will be the norm soon.

 

[badboy]

I'm talking voidable years with HUGE $'s at the end of them.

What Caserio does is what lot's of teams do with $5 or $6 mil here or there on voidable years on contracts. Diggs is probably the biggest one Caserio has done with over $16 mil in a void year.

What I'm talking about is Jalen Hurts having an over $97 million dollar void year. Lane Johnson with huge void year $. $50 plus million on a void year in AJ Brown's contract.

Seriously look at the Eagle's contracts, they have HUGE (like batshit insane) money tied into void years.

Philadelphia Eagles Salary Cap | Over the Cap

Philadelphia Eagles salary cap, contracts, bonus money, dead money, and cap savings for every player

overthecap.com

The Browns are doing similar.

It looks like insane short term thinking from those teams. It feels like they're banking on the league giving them some kind of amnesty so the teams don't sink because they end up having contracts like this which almost negate them from even being capable of fielding a legal team other than a whole 53 of vet minimum players, or they're hoping the cap skyrockets.

Or the GMs are just saying eff it, we'll just leave and it will be someone else's problem. Either way some of the money looks genuinely insane.

Since you did not mention it, I assume that you do not know that a void contract year can be renegotiated in what is called a maximum restructure. For example, you mentioned Hurts contract.
First, let's look at that contract:
2024 cap hit $13.5 m. That is extremely, ridiculously cheap for a veteran QB who can take his team to the Super Bowl.
2025 ~$24 m!
Philly perhaps even more so than the Texans, are designed and ready to win now not 4 years from now.

Philadelphia and Hurts could agree to prorate his first void year and divide it over other void years. Personally, I think we will see them renegotiate a extension that includes the void GTD $.

 

[cland]

Look at the cap numbers this year for the Eagles. No player has a cap hit of $16 million. They have Devonta Smith at $8 million and Landon Dickerson at $6 million this season. Bryce Huff signed a $51 million contract and carries a cap hit of just over $4 million. If you want a roster with this much talent, this is what it takes. And like I said regarding the Texans, look forward a year or two for the extensions they will have to make. The Texans are already moving in this direction, with only Tunsil carrying a $20+ million cap hit. And it would surprise no one if his salary is spread out with voidable years next season, if necessary.

The Eagles are in win now mode. Many of their top players won't be around in a couple of years. Then, the rebuild begins. That's the cycle. The Texans will face the same decisions in the future in order to keep their championship window open.

Not if we kill the draft! 7 all-pro/yr X 4 year rookie contracts = 28 all-pros on rookie contracts! GO Caserio GO!

 

[badboy]

I hoping they find Tunsils replacement soon - preferably a rookie. I'm hoping Fisher may develop but we'll have to wait and see.
From now on, we need to draft a LT every draft in the hope we hit on a good one - just like you would for a QB.

Tunsil has never missed more than 3 games except for 2021. He missed 3 total for last 2 seasons. No way I am replacing him barring a tremendous trade package. Do I believe that at some point we need to bring a board a player that will eventually replace him? I have stated so. He is not a prohibitive cap hit especially for what he brings to the table. Are there better left tackles in the league? Of course, but we can say that probably about every player on our roster including Stroud.

 

[steelbtexan]

Tunsil has never missed more than 3 games except for 2021. He missed 3 total for last 2 seasons. No way I am replacing him barring a tremendous trade package. Do I believe that at some point we need to bring a board a player that will eventually replace him? I have stated so. He is not a prohibitive cap hit especially for what he brings to the table. Are there better left tackles in the league? Of course, but we can say that probably about every player on our roster including Stroud.

Yep trading players that are top 5 in the league when you have plenty of available cap space isn't wise.

I'm looking forward to seeing what a healthy Tunsil and a healthy Green can do in the run game. Tunsil playing on one leg last yr and playing well should make fans never question his toughness or ability.

 

[Sweech]

Look at the cap numbers this year for the Eagles. No player has a cap hit of $16 million. They have Devonta Smith at $8 million and Landon Dickerson at $6 million this season. Bryce Huff signed a $51 million contract and carries a cap hit of just over $4 million. If you want a roster with this much talent, this is what it takes. And like I said regarding the Texans, look forward a year or two for the extensions they will have to make. The Texans are already moving in this direction, with only Tunsil carrying a $20+ million cap hit. And it would surprise no one if his salary is spread out with voidable years next season, if necessary.

The Eagles are in win now mode. Many of their top players won't be around in a couple of years. Then, the rebuild begins. That's the cycle. The Texans will face the same decisions in the future in order to keep their championship window open.

Yes, I understand why they think they can do this to open up a championship window. I just don't think you're properly taking in the ramifications of that kind if shortermism. Having an over $97 million cap hit in a singular void year is pretty gnarly work. It's basically taking shortermism to such a degree that you absolutely ensure your team will be put into a rebuild. A lengthy one at that.

 

[Sweech]

Since you did not mention it, I assume that you do not know that a void contract year can be renegotiated in what is called a maximum restructure. For example, you mentioned Hurts contract.
First, let's look at that contract:
2024 cap hit $13.5 m. That is extremely, ridiculously cheap for a veteran QB who can take his team to the Super Bowl.
2025 ~$24 m!
Philly perhaps even more so than the Texans, are designed and ready to win now not 4 years from now.

Philadelphia and Hurts could agree to prorate his first void year and divide it over other void years. Personally, I think we will see them renegotiate a extension that includes the void GTD $.

Oh they'll renegotiate for sure. I'm just saying one way or the other you pay the piper. If the contract is cheap on your cap now then it won't be later. Simple as that. The Eagles have started to box themselves into a situation where they can't push money forward because of other contracts and putting it into further years downs the road starts to kneecap rebuild attempts.

Even with the work Caserio did we couldn't actually get out of the woods until the years with bad contracts and dead cap hits actually came off our shoulders. The Eagles are making it so that they will have that scenario for themselves.

Overall I disagree with @Lucky and I do not think these contracts will become the norm. I personally would hope Caserio does not start making contracts like the Eagles and Browns ones.

 

[House of Pain]

If I remember correctly, he also was suspended games in college for breaking rules. Seems like the kind of guy that does what he wants to regardless of consequences.

Is this when a group of players got dismissed for smoking weed? Or building a castle made out of poopy in their hotel room? Wasn't D-Hop a part of that? Am I mixing up stories or have years of drinking my way through tough Texans losses finally caught up?

I would think if someone as much in the public eye as Cal McNair had an alcohol problem, it would be easy to verify it. If he does, he is really stupid to be jumping up on a public stage with a famous singer and drinking alcohol. I would think the so-called news media and those with camera phones would be posting that everywhere on the internet while referring to his alcohol issue.

Not to discredit what you're saying, but the Houston media is saaaawwwft when it comes to these types of things and wouldn't put it past them to cover stuff like this up. I know this comes off as a dig at the Houston media, but it's actually kind of cool that the media won't put their personal gain in front of exposing a difficult (and personal) issue for Cal.

 

[badboy]

Is this when a group of players got dismissed for smoking weed? Or building a castle made out of poopy in their hotel room? Wasn't D-Hop a part of that? Am I mixing up stories or have years of drinking my way through tough Texans losses finally caught up?



Not to discredit what you're saying, but the Houston media is saaaawwwft when it comes to these types of things and wouldn't put it past them to cover stuff like this up. I know this comes off as a dig at the Houston media, but it's actually kind of cool that the media won't put their personal gain in front of exposing a difficult (and personal) issue for Cal.

Cierre Woods reason for being suspended was never made known to my understanding. I don't think smoking pot or building Castles in the Air were the reason why. As far as the news media, I agree with you but there are many sources where we get feedback from people who know the situation or the players and put it out on blogs. None of that has ever been established concerning a Cal McNair drinking issue . I would hope that Hannah would be irritated if he was jumping on a stage chugging a beer.

 

[House of Pain]

Cierre Woods reason for being suspended was never made known to my understanding. I don't think smoking pot or building Castles in the Air were the reason why. As far as the news media, I agree with you but there are many sources where we get feedback from people who know the situation or the players and put it out on blogs. None of that has ever been established concerning a Cal McNair drinking issue . I would hope that Hannah would be irritated if he was jumping on a stage chugging a beer.

That's probably true. However, if he 'went rogue' and chugged a beer and Hannah disproved of this, I still don't think she would let us know. She's very media savvy and has the Houston media wrapped around her finger. I, for one, welcome her brand of brashness and confidence. That energy has been sorely lacking from the Texans for quite some time.

*As a UT alum, I am disappointed (and think they may be lying) that Cal a.) Doesn't know what 'shotgunning a beer' means; and b.) never shotgunned a beer in the past. I mean, he was on the UT football team in the early 80's. Yeah...I'm not believing that.

 

[cland]

That's probably true. However, if he 'went rogue' and chugged a beer and Hannah disproved of this, I still don't think she would let us know. She's very media savvy and has the Houston media wrapped around her finger. I, for one, welcome her brand of brashness and confidence. That energy has been sorely lacking from the Texans for quite some time.

*As a UT alum, I am disappointed (and think they may be lying) that Cal a.) Doesn't know what 'shotgunning a beer' means; and b.) never shotgunned a beer in the past. I mean, he was on the UT football team in the early 80's. Yeah...I'm not believing that.

Seth Payne talked about this in one of his youtube videos [AND NO, I'M NOT GOING TO FIND A LINK :P], and it comes off favorably for Cal. Luke Combs wanted a group of Texans players to all shotgun a been with him on stage, however Cal stepped up and said that they were training and needed to take care of their bodies. So he offered to shotgun the beer in their place. He did and then punted the can into the crowd.

 

[Dejaview]

I just want to see Hannah swinging on a pole with a bottle of tequila

 

[DBCooper]

I just want to see Hannah swinging on a pole with a bottle of tequila

 

[KoolAid Sipper]

What I'm talking about is Jalen Hurts having an over $97 million dollar void year.

I think the $97M you're referring to is non-guaranteed money. If they opt not to keep him after 2028 then it shouldn't cause any issue because it wasn't guaranteed. If they decide to keep him, they just execute a brand new contract and again that $97M evaporates without being kicked down the road.

 

[welsh texan]

I wonder if the Vikings are trying to work out a trade for Mills? Would explain his lack of practice reps the last few days? That’s pure speculation on my part but their QB situation did just change significantly this week and Mills is one of the more ready-to-start backup QBs in the league.

Now I’m not a believer in Mills, and I think you get more on the sideline/practice field out of Keenum as your backup, so I’m all in favour of recouping some draft capital for Davis if it’s on the table.

 

[sprtsfanatic]

I wonder if the Vikings are trying to work out a trade for Mills? Would explain his lack of practice reps the last few days? That’s pure speculation on my part but their QB situation did just change significantly this week and Mills is one of the more ready-to-start backup QBs in the league.

Now I’m not a believer in Mills, and I think you get more on the sideline/practice field out of Keenum as your backup, so I’m all in favour of recouping some draft capital for Davis if it’s on the table.

There is no way I would give a start to Keenum over General Mills...Keenum at this point is better off holding a clip board and being more of a qb coach/assistant vs actually playing the position. Heaven forbid that Stroud go down, but if that were to occur Mills would have to be the qb to come in and try and keep the Texans above water while Stroud would make it back....in no way should keenum be allowed to come in and play.

 

[DocBar]

I wonder if the Vikings are trying to work out a trade for Mills? Would explain his lack of practice reps the last few days? That’s pure speculation on my part but their QB situation did just change significantly this week and Mills is one of the more ready-to-start backup QBs in the league.

Now I’m not a believer in Mills, and I think you get more on the sideline/practice field out of Keenum as your backup, so I’m all in favour of recouping some draft capital for Davis if it’s on the table.

Davis Mills hasn't practiced this week after injuring ribs in preseason game

Texans backup quarterback Davis Mills has not practiced this week.

www.nbcsports.com

 

[Carr Bombed]

It would be stupid to trade your only viable backup right before the season starts.. Keenum is not a good backup QB at this stage of his career. I don't get that why people are so eager to trade Mills when we don't have another QB2 on the roster.

 

[Lucky]

There is no way I would give a start to Keenum over General Mills...Keenum at this point is better off holding a clip board and being more of a qb coach/assistant vs actually playing the position. Heaven forbid that Stroud go down, but if that were to occur Mills would have to be the qb to come in and try and keep the Texans above water while Stroud would make it back....in no way should keenum be allowed to come in and play.

It would be stupid to trade your only viable backup right before the season starts.. Keenum is not a good backup QB at this stage of his career. I don't get that why people are so eager to trade Mills when we don't have another QB2 on the roster.

Didn't the Texans choose Keenum over Mills last year when CJ went down? They may not share your fondness of Mills.

 

[welsh texan]

Davis Mills hasn't practiced this week after injuring ribs in preseason game

Texans backup quarterback Davis Mills has not practiced this week.

www.nbcsports.com

That explains it then!

 

[sprtsfanatic]

Didn't the Texans choose Keenum over Mills last year when CJ went down? They may not share your fondness of Mills.

yes he did, doesnt mean he can sniff Mills' jockstrap now...he's way past his prime and will serve us no good as qb2...he just doesnt have the talent anymore. Mills has outshined him ever since that lucky win that keenum pulled off to this very day.

 

[TexansBull]

Are you OK today? Sounds like you need a Snickers.

I got the gist of the chart. It looks like the Eagles and Browns are outliers in regard to voidable years. But these deals will be the norm soon.

I had a rough day. I went into a Whammy Burger and they told me I couldn’t order breakfast at 11:35 when they stopped serving breakfast at 11:30.

It turned out to be a big ordeal.

 

[TexansBull]

This is a good video summarizing last season. It’s a good watch as we get ready for our upcoming season.

 

[Texansphan]

It's not a bad idea. OT is a priority position, and it's much more cost effective to develop your own.

Exactly
Perhaps we can luck out and hit on another Dwayne Brown

 

[sandman]

Didn't the Texans choose Keenum over Mills last year when CJ went down? They may not share your fondness of Mills.

Yeah that Cleveland game showed it was a good choice to go with Keenum...

 

[Lucky]

yes he did, doesnt mean he can sniff Mills' jockstrap now...he's way past his prime and will serve us no good as qb2...he just doesnt have the talent anymore. Mills has outshined him ever since that lucky win that keenum pulled off to this very day.

When did Mills' jockstrap begin to smell good?

Yeah that Cleveland game showed it was a good choice to go with Keenum...

Would it have mattered who started that game?

I realize Mills still has some fans left. Just going to remind everyone he's a career 5-19-1 QB. While Case is pretty old (36), he's not as old as Joe Flacco. And Case has forgotten more football than Davis will ever know.

 

[sprtsfanatic]

When did Mills' jockstrap begin to smell good?

Would it have mattered who started that game?

I realize Mills still has some fans left. Just going to remind everyone he's a career 5-19-1 QB. While Case is pretty old (36), he's not as old as Joe Flacco. And Case has forgotten more football than Davis will ever know.

well im glad youre all over case...but you seem to be the only one. Its obvious you dont like mills but ur bias is blinding you. Theres not a serious person that would objectively say that keenum is better than mills. Mills has seemed to have learned the system and has looked much better this year and has looked a little more consistent....yes there are still some throws that make you scratch your head but at least he's mobile and has the arm strength....you cant say the same of keenum...no matter how much football he knows....his body and ability cant do it anymore.

 

[Lucky]

well im glad youre all over case...but you seem to be the only one. Its obvious you dont like mills but ur bias is blinding you. Theres not a serious person that would objectively say that keenum is better than mills. Mills has seemed to have learned the system and has looked much better this year and has looked a little more consistent....yes there are still some throws that make you scratch your head but at least he's mobile and has the arm strength....you cant say the same of keenum...no matter how much football he knows....his body and ability cant do it anymore.

I do not dislike Davis Mills. My bias against him is that he is turnover prone and lacks poise and leadership. I acknowledge that Keenum is advancing in age. I wish the Texans had gone out and found a better backup QB. Like the Colts did. But your entire argument for Mills rests on practice reports and two preseason games. One of which was a solid performance by Keenum. You don't care for my lack of faith in Mills. OK. There is nothing I've seen from Mills in his career that makes me believe he can get the job done in a NFL game. I have zero problems being the only forum member with this stance.

 

[Sweech]

I love the people whose argument is somehow: Mills is terrible, we should be able to get a good trade return for him.

It's one or the other.

 

[sandman]

Would it have mattered who started that game?

I'm simply pointing out your statement of the Texans choosing Keenum over Mills for those starts last year. The decision to start Keenum in that Cleveland game was in hindsight not a good decision. That statement doesn't mean that starting Mills would have been a good decision. I can be critical of Keenum's play without it having anything to do with Mills. He looked like 0-8 Elevated From The Practice Squad Keenum in that game. Those INT's and multiple deep sacks were deja vu all over again.

 

[Speedy]

There is no way I would give a start to Keenum over General Mills...Keenum at this point is better off holding a clip board and being more of a qb coach/assistant vs actually playing the position. Heaven forbid that Stroud go down, but if that were to occur Mills would have to be the qb to come in and try and keep the Texans above water while Stroud would make it back....in no way should keenum be allowed to come in and play.

What makes you think Mills is any better? I don't know if old man Case has anything left in the tank or not, but at least he's proven he can play and win in this league. Something that Mills still hasn't proven.

It would be stupid to trade your only viable backup right before the season starts.. Keenum is not a good backup QB at this stage of his career. I don't get that why people are so eager to trade Mills when we don't have another QB2 on the roster.

I'm not eager to trade, but if someone is desperate and willing to overpay, you do it in a heartbeat. Davis Mills is easily replaceable.

Yeah that Cleveland game showed it was a good choice to go with Keenum...

And what kind of choice would Mills have been?

Look, if God forbid #7 goes down, there isn't another QB on this roster who's going to take this team anywhere. Case may be old and has nothing left, but Davis Mills sucks. I don't why people keep pretending he doesn't.

 

[Carr Bombed]

I love how people just say "Mills sucks" or post his win/loss record his first two seasons with joke coaching hires, gutted talent void rosters, and a dysfunctional franchise like its some kind of career defining stat. It's not, No one was winning crap here with that depleted roster and coaching staff.

Everyone likes to point at Slowick and applaud the job he's done with Stroud, y'all don't think he has also had a positive effect on Mills' development? I think he has and he looks a lot better under Slowick. And no I'm not just a "Mills fan" and no I don't want him to be our everyday starter, but do I believe he's a much better option than Keenum.. Hell yes I do. Mills has looked head and shoulders better than Keenum this camp/preseason.. who never had a electric arm, but at his age looks like he's lost even more off his subpar fastball.

Honestly I'm disappointed that they even invited Tim Boyle to camp.. He's not pushing anyone and at this point, neither is Keenum. I think Keenum would best serve this team by developing his coaching chops while moving up the offensive coaching ranks.

 

[Texansballer74]

I love how people just say "Mills sucks" or post his win/loss record his first two seasons with joke coaching hires, gutted talent void rosters, and a dysfunctional franchise like its some kind of career defining stat. It's not, No one was winning crap here with that depleted roster and coaching staff.

Everyone likes to point at Slowick and applaud the job he's done with Stroud, y'all don't think he has also had a positive effect on Mills' development? I think he has and he looks a lot better under Slowick. And no I'm not just a "Mills fan" and no I don't want him to be our everyday starter, but do I believe he's a much better option than Keenum.. Hell yes I do. Mills has looked head and shoulders better than Keenum this camp/preseason.. who never had a electric arm, but at his age looks like he's lost even more off his subpar fastball.

Honestly I'm disappointed that they even invited Tim Boyle to camp.. He's not pushing anyone and at this point, neither is Keenum. I think Keenum would best serve this team by developing his coaching chops while moving up the offensive coaching ranks.

Because he wasn’t good at all. He had the opportunity to at least show he has the potential to the starter. And he’s the one tha screwed that opportunity up the following year . Dude was benched because he just couldn’t grasp any type of concept. Yes coaching was bad but as a player you still have to go out there and put your best foot forward. Unfortunately he didn’t and we went out and drafted our franchise quarterback. It happens, now it’s time to move on from this type of debate.

 

[Porky]

If it’s a game or two, Mills can at least give us a fighting chance but is he good? Nope. Never was. Never will be. If it’s more than a couple of games…we are in deep doo doo with either guy. I trust Case more and he’s a better leader…but he doesn’t have it anymore. Spot start at best for Case…but this year I’d probably give Mills a chance.

 

[Carr Bombed]

Because he wasn’t good at all. He had the opportunity to at least show he has the potential to the starter. And he’s the one tha screwed that opportunity up the following year . Dude was benched because he just couldn’t grasp any type of concept. Yes coaching was bad but as a player you still have to go out there and put your best foot forward. Unfortunately he didn’t and we went out and drafted our franchise quarterback. It happens, now it’s time to move on from this type of debate.

This debate isn't about who the franchise QB is.. So I don't know what type of debate you want me to move on from?

 

[Speedy]

I love how people just say "Mills sucks" or post his win/loss record his first two seasons with joke coaching hires, gutted talent void rosters, and a dysfunctional franchise like its some kind of career defining stat. It's not, No one was winning crap here with that depleted roster and coaching staff.

Everyone likes to point at Slowick and applaud the job he's done with Stroud, y'all don't think he has also had a positive effect on Mills' development? I think he has and he looks a lot better under Slowick. And no I'm not just a "Mills fan" and no I don't want him to be our everyday starter, but do I believe he's a much better option than Keenum.. Hell yes I do. Mills has looked head and shoulders better than Keenum this camp/preseason.. who never had a electric arm, but at his age looks like he's lost even more off his subpar fastball.

Honestly I'm disappointed that they even invited Tim Boyle to camp.. He's not pushing anyone and at this point, neither is Keenum. I think Keenum would best serve this team by developing his coaching chops while moving up the offensive coaching ranks.

And I love how people run to his defense like they’ve never seen him take a snap. The dude is not good. And it’s pretty easy to give Slowick credit for a QB with top tier talent. You think he’d do the same with Zack Wilson, Mitch Trubisky, Kenny Pickett and Davis freaking Mills?? Come on, man! Who’s the coach we had that everyone thought was a guru because of “what he did” with Andrew Luck and Justin Herbert? Yeah, well what was never mentioned was the dozen+ QBs the same dude worked with that never amounted to shit.

And how in the ever living **** has Mills looked head and shoulders better than Case?

This preseason:
Mills 69.2% completion percentage, 7.3 Y/A, 102.3 rating.
Case 80%, 7.9, 121.7

I seriously don’t know what the hell some of yall are watching.

 

[Carr Bombed]

And I love how people run to his defense like they’ve never seen him take a snap. The dude is not good. And it’s pretty easy to give Slowick credit for a QB with top tier talent. You think he’d do the same with Zack Wilson, Mitch Trubisky, Kenny Pickett and Davis freaking Mills?? Come on, man! Who’s the coach we had that everyone thought was a guru because of “what he did” with Andrew Luck and Justin Herbert? Yeah, well what was never mentioned was the dozen+ QBs the same dude worked with that never amounted to shit.

And how in the ever living **** has Mills looked head and shoulders better than Case?

This preseason:
Mills 69.2% completion percentage, 7.3 Y/A, 102.3 rating.
Case 80%, 7.9, 121.7

I seriously don’t know what the hell some of yall are watching.

I'm judging him under this coaching staff, is that irrational? The previous two staffs were incompetent at best. What I do think is shortsighted is acting like someone (especially a young player with ability) can't improve under good coaching/teaching.. especially when surrounded by very good talent. Brandon Cooks was our #1 wr (and who else). Brandin would be our 4th wr on this team.

Elite QBs elevate the play of others.. Stroud can be that guy.. but the rest of them need a good supporting cast to be successful. We're talking about backup QB. I think Mills is clearly the best option to fill that role on this roster. I also believe players can improve under the right situations (just like they can fail in crappy ones). I think we can finally say the Texans are a good situation for players to grow in.

 

[Speedy]

I'm judging him under this coaching staff, is that irrational? The previous two staffs were incompetent at best. What I do think is shortsighted is acting like someone (especially a young player with ability) can't improve under good coaching/teaching.. especially when surrounded by very good talent. Brandon Cooks was our #1 wr (and who else). Brandin would be our 4th wr on this team.

Elite QBs elevate the play of others.. Stroud can be that guy.. but the rest of them need a good supporting cast to be successful. We're talking about backup QB. I think Mills is clearly the best option to fill that role on this roster. I also believe players can improve under the right situations (just like they can fail in crappy ones). I think we can finally say the Texans are a good situation for players to grow in.

You’re right about one thing. We are talking about backup QB. And regardless of who it is, the Texans are dead in the water if any one of them has to become the starter. Unless their defense becomes the 2000 Ravens or something.

I also don’t disagree that coaching can matter. That still doesn’t mean you have the talent to make it so. Like I said, we label guys as gurus who work with the top QBs, and ignore all the duds they’ve worked with. So better coaching, system, whatever, only goes so far. You still have to have the talent. I’ve never ever thought Mills had that talent from the few games he played in college til now.

I think Mills ceiling can be a decent spot starting backup, but I haven’t seen anything in 3 years that tells me that’s where he is. Right now I’d rate him a slightly below average backup. I just don’t see anything in his game to tell me otherwise.

 

[Texansballer74]

This debate isn't about who the franchise QB is.. So I don't know what type of debate you want me to move on from?

Missed the point! And that’s Mills is a thing of the past and he wasn’t/slii not good.

 

[Carr Bombed]

Missed the point! And that’s Mills is a thing of the past and he wasn’t/slii not good.

No you missed the point, nobody is talking about franchise QB except you.. we're talking about backup.. and Mills isn't a "thing of the past", he's still on the freaking roster.. one ill fated snap from starting reps.

 

[Thorn]

We could get MaHomes as a backup, that would help.