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CloakNNNdagger said:
Texans owner Bob McNair: Trading Brock Osweiler was 'a shocker'
"You can't talk to them before they become a free agent. You can't work them out. We didn't know him that well," said Texans owner Bob McNair of Brock Osweiler. AP Photo/David J. Phillip
8:20 PM CT
  • Sarah BarshopESPN Staff Writer

HOUSTON -- Houston Texans owner Bob McNair told reporters Monday that he was shocked general manager Rick Smith was able to pull off the trade that sent quarterback Brock Osweiler to the Cleveland Browns earlier in the month.

"It was a shocker for me," McNair said at the NFL owners meetings, according to the Houston Chronicle. "I couldn't believe that Rick was able to pull it off. ... It's unbelievable. Everybody around the league, their jaws are still hanging open.

"It's something no one thought [about], and I think other people have looked at that, and they've been trying to do the same thing without success."

The trade that sent Osweiler, a 2018 second-round pick and a 2017 second-round pick to Cleveland for a 2017 fourth-round pick will save the Texans $10 million in salary-cap space and $16 million cash.

The Texans signed Osweiler to a four-year, $72 million contract on the first day of free agency a year ago, but in his first year in Houston, he struggled. In 15 regular-season games, Osweiler completed 59 percent of his passes for 2,957 yards, 15 touchdowns and 16 interceptions.

On Monday, McNair said looking back, because of how free agency works, the Texans and head coach Bill O’Brien didn’t know Osweiler well enough before signing him to the huge contract.

"We didn't know Brock well enough," McNair told the Houston Chronicle. "Coach [Bill O'Brien] didn't have a chance to get to know him.

"That's one of the problems with free agency. In the draft, we're able to bring them to Houston, sit down with them, watch them interviewed by a bunch of coaches, and you have time to check them out.

"You can't talk to them before they become a free agent. You can't work them out. We didn't know him that well."
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McNair talks like he learned about the trade online. Doesn't sound like a meddling owner to me.
 
I guess I missed the memo that said that Kubiak, not Shanahan was the head coach and architect of the Denver offense during the Elway/Griese/Plummer years. No one is saying that Kubes was not a good assistant coach or coordinator, they are saying that he came up short in many of the aspects that define a really good head coach. Two prime examples of coming up short - anyone here want Frank Bush back as DC or Rick Dennison as OC? Miami now has Bush as a LB coach and Denver did not want Dennison back as OC - he is now in Buffalo.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Texans owner Bob McNair: Trading Brock Osweiler was 'a shocker'
"You can't talk to them before they become a free agent. You can't work them out. We didn't know him that well," said Texans owner Bob McNair of Brock Osweiler. AP Photo/David J. Phillip
8:20 PM CT
  • Sarah BarshopESPN Staff Writer

HOUSTON --

On Monday, McNair said looking back, because of how free agency works, the Texans and head coach Bill O’Brien didn’t know Osweiler well enough before signing him to the huge contract.

"We didn't know Brock well enough," McNair told the Houston Chronicle. "Coach [Bill O'Brien] didn't have a chance to get to know him.

"That's one of the problems with free agency. In the draft, we're able to bring them to Houston, sit down with them, watch them interviewed by a bunch of coaches, and you have time to check them out.

"You can't talk to them before they become a free agent. You can't work them out. We didn't know him that well."
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I am pretty sure that I have debated a couple folks on this aspect of the "process."
 
Bottom line, Kubes couldn't win with his guys. He won in Denver using someone else's roster and was lead by a great defense. His offense wasn't high speed put up a ton of points but it was effective. Do just enough and let the defense seal the win. Kinda like we're still trying to do in Houston.
 
PapaL said:
Is that coach talk for "anyone is better than the clown we had before"?
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Os will get another chance to prove wh
frethack said:
Our offense was a thing of beauty to watch when Foster arrived and was healthy. My biggest complaint (aside from predictability, which apparently is still an issue) is that Kubiaks offense left us undersized on the OL and at TE, and we were noticeably slower at every skill position compared to other good NFL teams.

IMHO we are still pulling ourselves out of that particular hole. Id be interested to research if teams that use the ZBS exclusively for long periods experience the same thing.
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I am with you on that.
Speedy said:
And every coach we'll ever have will have faults....well, unless there's another Belichick out there somewhere.



Funny what people see. You do realize Kubiak had top 5 offense 7 of his 11 years as Denver's OC and a top 10 scoring offense in 10 of those 11 years, right? And that's with Elway contributing to just 4 of those seasons with the rest under Griese and Plummer.

Jake Plummer came to Denver with a passer rating of 69 with 90 TD, 114 INT and had an 88.1 with 60 TD, 34 INT under Kubiak. Brian Griese was never very good, but he was a lot better under Kubiak than anywhere else he went.

Then of course he had Matt Schaub as a top 8-12 QB and Joe Flacco had his best season to date in just 1 year with Kubiak. Hell, he even made Osweiler look halfway decent.

Kubiak's track record with QBs is plain to see, so I'd strongly suggest getting those eyes checked if you still can't see it.
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My eyes told me that Gary's offenses toward the end of his coaching career were quite predictable and conservative and he settled far too often for field goals. Gary was a solid head coach and I take nothing away from his successes but toward the end it seems as a head coach his offenses faded.

Gary Kubiak won a title and I give him credit but just the same I think Elway prematurely fired John Fox and scape goated him for the loss to the Seahawks in the Super Bowl when a big reason for the butt whoopin suffered was due to Denver's defense having key players injured.

None the less, Gary motivated the Broncos and did well enough with the offense during his Super Bowl run to win a title. I give him credit. My eyes may say one thing but the results say otherwise so I have no real argument in that regard.
 
Max said:
McNair talks like he learned about the trade online.
Reading this article, McNair......along with everyone else was surprised when the recent trade of Osweiler fell into the Texans lap.............there is no indication that Smith initiated talks with the Browns. The Browns were actively by plan looking to dump their reverse cap problem.
The Browns’ Brock Osweiler Trade: Moneyball in Action

Doesn't sound like a meddling owner to me.
This article is written by Starr who by his history of article and tweets has become almost a John McClain "Junior," in that he continually so obviously defends the Texans/McNair/Smith perspective.
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Speedy said:
And every coach we'll ever have will have faults....well, unless there's another Belichick out there somewhere.



Funny what people see. You do realize Kubiak had top 5 offense 7 of his 11 years as Denver's OC and a top 10 scoring offense in 10 of those 11 years, right? And that's with Elway contributing to just 4 of those seasons with the rest under Griese and Plummer.

Jake Plummer came to Denver with a passer rating of 69 with 90 TD, 114 INT and had an 88.1 with 60 TD, 34 INT under Kubiak. Brian Griese was never very good, but he was a lot better under Kubiak than anywhere else he went.

Then of course he had Matt Schaub as a top 8-12 QB and Joe Flacco had his best season to date in just 1 year with Kubiak. Hell, he even made Osweiler look halfway decent.

Kubiak's track record with QBs is plain to see, so I'd strongly suggest getting those eyes checked if you still can't see it.
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All those rankings you mention were with Gary as OC and not as head coach.
JB said:
IIRC, the Panthers went to the NFCCG in their first year. They had very favorable expansion terms and parlayed that into a damn good team. That's why he was hired. Jacksonville also had a great season. NFL said not again and changed the game for the Texans.

2006 Kubiak would have had Banks start from day 1 and let Carr set, if he had a voice. 2002 Kubiak I'm not so sure. New owner wanted face of the franchise out there. He may have got something more out of Carr but I doubt it. Carr didn't want to be first in/last out and even then Kubiak knew he needed that. He had watched the best for so long he would have figured out Carr quickly. Maybe quickly enough. Our defense probably would have been terrible though :D:
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The stuff about Carr not putting in the work is poppy cock. I do not even care that Carr acknowledges such. Carr failed due to a poor O-line and being thrust into the starting job before he was ready. Other rookie quarterbacks on weak teams were much like David Carr. It is pure stupidity to do that to any young quarterback on a weak team that is rebuilding or is an expansion team. I will basically have to agree to disagree with the majority of my fellow Texans fans.
 
JB said:
IIRC, the Panthers went to the NFCCG in their first year. They had very favorable expansion terms and parlayed that into a damn good team. That's why he was hired. Jacksonville also had a great season. NFL said not again and changed the game for the Texans.

2006 Kubiak would have had Banks start from day 1 and let Carr set, if he had a voice. 2002 Kubiak I'm not so sure. New owner wanted face of the franchise out there. He may have got something more out of Carr but I doubt it. Carr didn't want to be first in/last out and even then Kubiak knew he needed that. He had watched the best for so long he would have figured out Carr quickly. Maybe quickly enough. Our defense probably would have been terrible though :D:
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If I recall the O-line was supposed to be the strength of the Texans expansion team. It turned out far different.
 
PapaL said:
In 2006 Carr took 53 sacks on 302 attempts.
In 2007 Schaub took 16 sacks on 289 pass attempts.

Either that OL miraculously got their act together or the problem was removed. Carr was the biggest problem, not the OL.
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Agreed that the O-Line wasn't as horrific as the ESPN draft commercial with David Carr out on the field by himself made it appear, and Carr was definitely a big part of the problem (preferring running out of bounds to throwing incompletions for example (Clue - one impacts the passer rating, one doesn't). But in spite of what I believe was a sincere attempt to build a good O-Line from day one, it simply didn't work out that way.

Everyone knows about Boselli, but Ryan Young (who was a two year starter for the Jets immediately before being taken in the expansion draft) was a disaster, and ended up starting only 8 games and being let go after the inaugural season. Weary and Pitts were rookies, and some guy named DeMingo Graham (who I honestly have very little recollection of) started 11 games, and never played in the NFL again - despite being under 30 that season.

By the time Schaub joined the Texans, Pitts (and to a lesser extent Weary) had improved, and Ephraim Salaam had come along, and while he wasn't all world, he was better than anything the 2006 Texans had. For the overall disappointment the free agent addition ended up being, Zach Wiegert was probably an improvement over previous linemen too.

You're point about Carr is absolutely valid, but so are the criticisms of the early Texans O-line unit.
 
steelbtexan said:
How about those teams over the last decade?

You know, the Ricky McNair tenure.
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Then I go back to my previous point.
And add that top tier qb's are hard to come by.
Plenty of other good, long tenured teams have missed out or done worse than Smith in that time.
 
ChampionTexan said:
You're point about Carr is absolutely valid, but so are the criticisms of the early Texans O-line unit.
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Agreed.

However, I got the feeling Carr resigned to thinking he was doing the best he could & didn't try to improve after his third season.

I thought I saw progress up until midway through that season. By the time 2005 was over, I felt like he didn't want to be there & had McNair not thrown $8M at him, he'd have been fine moving on... & I didn't blame him.
 
TxnsJuggernaut said:
All those rankings you mention were with Gary as OC and not as head coach.
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:kubepalm:
Top 10 offense 4 times, top 10 scoring 4 times, AS A HEAD COACH!

And let's not forget what he inherited when he came to Houston and had to totally overhaul.

TxnsJuggernaut said:
My eyes told me that Gary's offenses toward the end of his coaching career were quite predictable and conservative and he settled far too often for field goals. Gary was a solid head coach and I take nothing away from his successes but toward the end it seems as a head coach his offenses faded.
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You mean when he had a broken down, washed up Schaub and a UDFA who'd never taken a snap? What the hell Kubes?!

His "predictable", "conservative" offense had no problem the following year in Baltimore.
 
Texansphan said:
Shane Lechler, Chris Myers, JJoe, Arian Foster, Daniel Manning, Joel Dreesen, Vonta Leech, Vince Wilfork, Kendrick Lewis, Lamar Miller.
Probably a couple others I haven't thought of.
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How many this yr?

Last yr?

Point is Ricky hasn't been very good in FA over the last decade. I'm not talking about UDFA's which he's been pretty good at. Foster isn't the norm UDFA.

Ricky has been a .500 GM for a decade. His philosophies will most likely lead to .500 again and most importantly keep NRG full. Feel free to disagree, but what have the Texans really won during this decade under Ricky? A couple of Manningless AFC Championships and a couple of playoff appearances where everybody knew they were going to lose. The Joy of mediocrity.
 
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Texans Notebook: The Houston Texans Have Had Internal Discussions on Colin Kaepernick
Patrick Starr
10:35 am

Internal Discussions on Colin Kaepernick

The Houston Texans continue to monitor the situation of the quarterback group on the market and in the NFL Draft. Bill O’Brien, in an appearance with Pro Football Talk, mentioned that the Texans have had internal discussions on free agent quarterback Colin Kaepernick.

It does not appear, at this exact moment, that the Texans are ready to sign any quarterback but O’Brien made it clear that Kaepernick’s name has come up in talks amongst the team.

“We’ve watched him,” O’Brien said on Pro Football Talk. “Like I’ve said, we feel good about where we’re at right now with Tom (Savage) and Brandon Weeden, but we’ve watched him and discussed him. I think that’s a fluid situation as far as free agency goes, not just for Colin Kaepernick but for the teams. As you know, your roster’s not totally set until right before you open that season. He’s a good football player, he can run, he’s been coached well by (Jim) Harbaugh and Chip Kelly. Those guys are excellent coaches, so you know the background that he has. We’ll continue to discuss all the positions on our team, but we’ve definitely watched him.”

The Texans are in little rush to fill roster spots and expect to go into their April 17th workouts with 65 players. O’Brien did mention that he will want to add a quarterback or two prior to training camp but there is no indication that O'Brien and the Texans are heading to sign Kaepernick.

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Any one that thinks that McNair would allow Kaepernick on this final roster must not know that he is in immediate need of strong medication.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Texans Notebook: The Houston Texans Have Had Internal Discussions on Colin Kaepernick
Patrick Starr
10:35 am

Internal Discussions on Colin Kaepernick

The Houston Texans continue to monitor the situation of the quarterback group on the market and in the NFL Draft. Bill O’Brien, in an appearance with Pro Football Talk, mentioned that the Texans have had internal discussions on free agent quarterback Colin Kaepernick.

It does not appear, at this exact moment, that the Texans are ready to sign any quarterback but O’Brien made it clear that Kaepernick’s name has come up in talks amongst the team.

“We’ve watched him,” O’Brien said on Pro Football Talk. “Like I’ve said, we feel good about where we’re at right now with Tom (Savage) and Brandon Weeden, but we’ve watched him and discussed him. I think that’s a fluid situation as far as free agency goes, not just for Colin Kaepernick but for the teams. As you know, your roster’s not totally set until right before you open that season. He’s a good football player, he can run, he’s been coached well by (Jim) Harbaugh and Chip Kelly. Those guys are excellent coaches, so you know the background that he has. We’ll continue to discuss all the positions on our team, but we’ve definitely watched him.”

The Texans are in little rush to fill roster spots and expect to go into their April 17th workouts with 65 players. O’Brien did mention that he will want to add a quarterback or two prior to training camp but there is no indication that O'Brien and the Texans are heading to sign Kaepernick.

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Any one that thinks that McNair would allow Kaepernick on this final roster must not know that he is in immediate need of strong medication.
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Hopefully the discussions looked like this:giphy (2).gif
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Bill O’Brien, in an appearance with Pro Football Talk, mentioned that the Texans have had internal discussions on free agent quarterback Colin Kaepernick.

...but O’Brien made it clear that Kaepernick’s name has come up in talks amongst the team.

“We’ve watched him,” O’Brien said on Pro Football Talk.

We’ll continue to discuss all the positions on our team, but we’ve definitely watched him.”

O’Brien did mention that he will want to add a quarterback or two prior to training camp but there is no indication that O'Brien and the Texans are heading to sign Kaepernick.
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He needs to STFU & stop talking about things that have nothing to do with him. He already mentioned in his post season press conference that he's just the coach.

He should stick to his standard answer, "I really don't know." & defer the tough questions to the man in charge of FA & the draft. Ricky McNair
 
thunderkyss said:
He needs to STFU & stop talking about things that have nothing to do with him. He already mentioned in his post season press conference that he's just the coach.

He should stick to his standard answer, "I really don't know." & defer the tough questions to the man in charge of FA & the draft. Ricky McNair
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I'm loving the fact that BOB's reacting to McNair holding him hostage the way he did. I mean if McNair's not going to let BOB get who he wants to run the personnel side of things and is going to hold BOB basically hostage, then McNair/Little Ricky should expect/deserve this.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm loving the fact that BOB's reacting to McNair holding him hostage the way he did. I mean if McNair's not going to let BOB get who he wants to run the personnel side of things and is going to hold BOB basically hostage, then McNair/Little Ricky should expect/deserve this.
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I thought it was a mistake for Kubiak to pick our GM. I hope McNair has learned the error in letting an offensive minded coach who can't identify & bring in a competent offensive coordinator select a personnel guy.
 
steelbtexan said:
How many this yr?

Last yr?

Point is Ricky hasn't been very good in FA over the last decade. I'm not talking about UDFA's which he's been pretty good at. Foster isn't the norm UDFA.

Ricky has been a .500 GM for a decade. His philosophies will most likely lead to .500 again and most importantly keep NRG full. Feel free to disagree, but what have the Texans really won during this decade under Ricky? A couple of Manningless AFC Championships and a couple of playoff appearances where everybody knew they were going to lose. The Joy of mediocrity.
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How do you assess them as Texans when they haven't even played yet?
That's the point I hear you say? I say FA is not over yet.
Last Year? Lamar Miller.
 
Texansphan said:
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How do you assess them as Texans when they haven't even played yet?
That's the point I hear you say? I say FA is not over yet.
Last Year? Lamar Miller.
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They've lost starters in FA and are the only team to not participate in FA. How can they be better when the best FA's are gone?

Lamar Miller? To hear some on this MB he isn't very good and is very overpaid. I disagree with this. But the Os blunder far far far outweighs what they did in FA last yr. By any objective reasoning last yrs FA = FAIL

This yr they didn't even participate in FA unlike 31 other clubs it's like last yrs FA failure kept them out of the FA game this yr. = FAIL Keep on drinking the Kool-Aid MMM-GOOD.
 
I'd have no problem with Kaep coming in and competing. Wouldn't have an issue with him making the roster either.
 
steelbtexan said:
They've lost starters in FA and are the only team to not participate in FA. How can they be better when the best FA's are gone?

Lamar Miller? To hear some on this MB he isn't very good and is very overpaid. I disagree with this. But the Os blunder far far far outweighs what they did in FA last yr. By any objective reasoning last yrs FA = FAIL

This yr they didn't even participate in FA unlike 31 other clubs it's like last yrs FA failure kept them out of the FA game this yr. = FAIL Keep on drinking the Kool-Aid MMM-GOOD.
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So you prefer to judge him on one year, conveniently the one that had Osweiler in it.
Biased much?
Haters gonna hate.
 
I dug up this article published last year prior to the DRAFT. It's somewhat humorous..........and very much on point, supported by facts. It's certainly worth the read to make you think about how the facts have caught up with and bitten the Texans in the butt past and present..........the recent present. Hopefully it does not continue into the future........the 2017 Draft............But with the man that is picking the groceries (unquestioned to this point by his Boss), my hopes are not very lofty.

The NFL’s Desperation For Quarterbacks Is Destroying Quarterbacks
 
steelbtexan said:
Nope I prefer to judge him over a decade that's produced mediocrity at best.

You brought up last yr.
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You seem to be suffering from some sort of cognitive disconnect - I originally posted the last ten years and then you said "what about this year" and "Last year?"
Now you say you prefer to judge him over the last decade.
Fyi - a decade = 10 years.
Like I said, you're a hoot.
 
thunderkyss said:
He needs to STFU & stop talking about things that have nothing to do with him. He already mentioned in his post season press conference that he's just the coach.

He should stick to his standard answer, "I really don't know." & defer the tough questions to the man in charge of FA & the draft. Ricky McNair
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This is what makes Belichick interviews fun to watch -- you can't get anything out of him. Mr. Poker Face -- can't tell if his house just burned down or if he won the super bowl.
 
Hey guys I found this on Twitter and wanted to get your thoughts, I've heard a lot of people lately saying we should get rid of Cushing and I disagree




Pro Football Focus‏ @PFF
Texans linebacker Brian Cushing ranked 5th among inside linebackers last season with a 11.5 run stop percentage.
 
Texansphan said:
You seem to be suffering from some sort of cognitive disconnect - I originally posted the last ten years and then you said "what about this year" and "Last year?"
Now you say you prefer to judge him over the last decade.
Fyi - a decade = 10 years.
Like I said, you're a hoot.
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Like I said the last 10 yrs have been mediocre. Look at Smith's record. I don't really need to say more.

Last yr in FA they sucked plain and simple. To say otherwise is being disingenuous. Continue on and I hope you enjoy the next 10 yrs of Ricky's reign as much as you've seemed to enjoy the previous 10 yrs.

Are the Texans trying to win a SB. Look at what the Pats have done this offseason compared to the Texans and they have 2 QB's/ Texans have 0 QB's.
 
JR Texan said:
Hey guys I found this on Twitter and wanted to get your thoughts, I've heard a lot of people lately saying we should get rid of Cushing and I disagree




Pro Football Focus‏ @PFF
Texans linebacker Brian Cushing ranked 5th among inside linebackers last season with a 11.5 run stop percentage.
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Some people are determined that players over 30 or with surgeries must suck. Cushing was not that bad last year.
 
PapaL said:
I'd have no problem with Kaep coming in and competing. Wouldn't have an issue with him making the roster either.
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Other than the fact that he's not a good QB, I agree. Sounds like a perfect match for the eval team on Kirby.
 
Individuals in a position of responsibility or authority, such as coaches, when asked a direct question will usually respond with a "correct" answer. I'm a firm believer in the belief that it is the spontaneous remark in an unguarded moment which is usually closer to the truth.

Within a much broader discussion of the QB issue, the Chronicle quoted O'Brien as saying:"...Whoever Rick gives us, we try to do the best job we can...".

Take this for what it's worth.
 
steelbtexan said:
Like I said the last 10 yrs have been mediocre. Look at Smith's record. I don't really need to say more.

Last yr in FA they sucked plain and simple. To say otherwise is being disingenuous. Continue on and I hope you enjoy the next 10 yrs of Ricky's reign as much as you've seemed to enjoy the previous 10 yrs.

Are the Texans trying to win a SB. Look at what the Pats have done this offseason compared to the Texans and they have 2 QB's/ Texans have 0 QB's.
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Other than that 2-14, the last 6 years have seen winning seasons. The previous 4 years before that, you could criticise him but he has been better than the majority since then.
9-7 is better than most - if Osweiler was even 25% better than the unexpected dumpster fire he turned out to be we could very likely have been 11-5.
And quit comparing Texans to the Patriots - they have a goat qb and hc. Every other team in the league is behind them too.
Like I said, you are a hoot.
 
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