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infantrycak said:
Now this highlights on of the rule problems. 'Going to the ground' needs to be defined to include 'of his own volition' or 'regardless of defender impact.'
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Why should that matter. Going to the ground one way or another simply means the process is ongoing and the possession not yet completed.

Heaven forbid a defender be allowed to play defense, amirite steelb?
 
Mollywhopper said:
Why should that matter. Going to the ground one way or another simply means the process is ongoing and the possession not yet completed.

Heaven forbid a defender be allowed to play defense, amirite steelb?
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Only if you feel incapable of the distinction. If folks remember in the better years of football before the latest divinity in charge, refs had to make a judgement on whether a receiver was forced out of bounds.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Nope, just wasn't a catch. He was going to the ground while in the process, and while the ball was punched out, and so hadn't completed the possession.
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I thought he had caught it and run 5 yds or so then it got punched out... I'd like to see the video again
 
Hoptimus Prime said:
I disagree with so much in that article. How is Eifert going to the ground in the process of making the catch? I see 2 feet hit the ground with him in possession of the ball. THEN,he gets hit by the defender and goes to the ground. He then makes a football move and crosses the goal line. Then the ball comes out after he has crossed...
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A player is considered to be going to the ground if he does not remain upright long enough to demonstrate that he is clearly a runner.
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Eifert got his hands on the ball and pivoted, bang-bang, then the defender made a play to bring him to the ground, bang-bang-bang. And those three bangs weren't long enough to demonstrate that he was clearly a runner.
 
infantrycak said:
Only if you feel incapable of the distinction. If folks remember in the better years of football before the latest divinity in charge, refs had to make a judgement on whether a receiver was forced out of bounds.
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I don't know that the distinction is clear many times, nor do I think it really, really needs to be made. Like I said, let the defender make a play.

Don't think the ref should make that latter distinction either really. Let the defender make a play.
 
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JB said:
I thought he had caught it and run 5 yds or so then it got punched out... I'd like to see the video again
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He takes 2 good steps but he is falling forward even without a defender.

I don't know, at least it didn't cost us a game.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Eifert got his hands on the ball and pivoted, bang-bang, then the defender made a play to bring him to the ground, bang-bang-bang. And those three bangs weren't long enough to demonstrate that he was clearly a runner.
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I don't remember the play very well, just the slow mo gif shown in the article. The bang bang plays are always tough to call live. That's what the replay is for, though. He shows control before the defender hits him, makes a clear football move

What they need to clarify:
What qualifies as "going to the ground"? If they make a move with the ball, why should it matter if the are falling? These are athletes who are capable of such things.
And if the ball is caught in bounds, then moves after the receiver is out of bounds but stays in the WR's arms and doesn't touch the ground, is it a catch? (Hopkins play)
 
To clarify what I just posted:

If they are making a football move WHILE falling (Eifert), the "going to the ground" rule should be disregarded imo
 
Hoptimus Prime said:
To clarify what I just posted:

If they are making a football move WHILE falling (Eifert), the "going to the ground" rule should be disregarded imo
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So does just anything constitute a 'football move', such as simply lunging forward?

Also, in real time ... http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-...1000/Bengals-Tyler-Eifert-overturned-TD-catch

If Eifert just maintains the ball through the ground and that's an NFL catch. But the defender made a heck of a play to force him down before the possession was completed.

Guess they could always tweak the rules so this game finally has some more offense though.
 
Mollywhopper said:
So does just anything constitute a 'football move', such as simply lunging forward?

Also, in real time ... http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-...1000/Bengals-Tyler-Eifert-overturned-TD-catch

If Eifert just maintains the ball through the ground and that's an NFL catch. But the defender made a heck of a play to force him down before the possession was completed.

Guess they could always tweak the rules so this game finally has some more offense though.
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That's another opinionated rule, what is a football move? I would say making a catch with 2 hands, turning, and reaching out with the ball palmed in one hand is a football move. Who is to determine that though? Maybe they should get together and set forth points that state would a football move could be.

That's just makes things even more complicated. I guess anything that is taken THIS seriously will just have to be complicated.
 
Watching the Eifert play in real time is very different. I can see he doesn't palm the ball, still in both hands. Less of a football move that way
 
Hoptimus Prime said:
That's another opinionated rule, what is a football move? I would say making a catch with 2 hands, turning, and reaching out with the ball palmed in one hand is a football move. Who is to determine that though? Maybe they should get together and set forth points that state would a football move could be.

That's just makes things even more complicated. I guess anything that is taken THIS seriously will just have to be complicated.
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He was hit and beginning his 'going to the ground' before the turn was complete and well before he'd reached outward with the ball.

I agree it's not simple, and it won't be. I do think fans take the rage against the machine approach far quicker than taking time to actually read and process the rule itself and give it a chance on a case by case basis. And while it ain't perfect, judging wicked talented and mobile/agile athletes to a frame by frame aspect hardly always will be.
 
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Traveling Texans in New England!!
 
Just as a point of information from the injury thread... concerning future home jersey selections for the Texans.

Oct 2 Titans at Texans: Blue jersey / White pants
Oct 16 Colts at /Texans: Blue jersey / White pants
Oct 30 Lions at Texans: Blue jersey / White pants
Nov 27 Chargers at Texans: Blue jersey / Blue pants
Dec 18 Jaguars at Texans: Red jersey / White pants
Dec 24 Bengals at Texans: Blue jersey / White pants

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Mollywhopper said:
So does just anything constitute a 'football move', such as simply lunging forward?

Guess they could always tweak the rules so this game finally has some more offense though.
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It should be simple.
a) Make the catch and control the ball.
b) get two feet (or equivalent, like a knee or a butt or whatever) down and take two steps while maintaining control of the ball
all that "football move" crap needs to go away because that leaves too much to unnecessary (and often improper) interpretation.
 
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ObsiWan said:
It should be simple.
a) Make the catch and control the ball.
b) get two feet (or equivalent, like a knee or a butt or whatever) down and take two steps while maintaining control of the ball
all that "football move" crap needs to go away because that leaves too much to unnecessary (and often improper) interpretation.
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Nothing about a 'football move' in the 2016 catch interpretation.
 
You can't trap the ball
The ground can't cause a fumble
Get up with the ball.

Dez Bryant's non catch still wasn't a catch
 
My final random thought on the Texans for today. When the Texans come out in a big game, a "statement game," and embarrass themselves, the city, and us, I think of a scene from "Frasier".

Their dad finds a vase in storage they and take it to one of those shows that evaluates your item and maybe you come away with some cash. Turns out the vase was something like $25,000 and came from Russian royalty. So Niles and Frasier think they too are Russian royalty and are pretty high on their horse.

The Russians come for their vase, take it for nothing, and show them their REAL family history and at the same time their dad spent the 25 grand on a Winnebago. Now they're dejected and sitting on the couch..........

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Frasier: Well... we're out fifteen thousand each.
Niles: And we have to take long trips in a Winnebago.
Frasier: And we're not Romanovs. We're descended from thieves and whores.
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Oh, to be a Texan fan.
 
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Crying Pepe avatar has been put away for now. We're going to need some divine intervention so I present you with...
 
Mollywhopper said:
Nothing about a 'football move' in the 2016 catch interpretation.
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Well, let's see, shall we...? (link)
2016 NFL Rulebook: Catch Rule
ARTICLE 3. COMPLETED OR INTERCEPTED PASS. A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) if a player, who is inbounds:

(a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and

(b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and

(c) maintains control of the ball after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, until he has the ball long enough to clearly become a runner. A player has the ball long enough to become a runner when, after his second foot is on the ground, he is capable of avoiding or warding off impending contact of an opponent, tucking the ball away, turning up field, or taking additional steps (see 3-2-7-Item 2).

Note: If a player has control of the ball, a slight movement of the ball will not be considered a loss of possession. He must lose control of the ball in order to rule that there has been a loss of possession.

If the player loses the ball while simultaneously touching both feet or any part of his body to the ground, it is not a catch.
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Okay, the specific term "football move" has been removed. But what does the bolded describe if not a football move? And my real point is, why is any description beyond (a) and (b) necessary?? Didn't used to be.
 
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ObsiWan said:
Well, let's see, shall we...? (link)


Okay, the specific term "football move" has been removed. But what does the bolded describe if not a football move? And my real point is, why is any description beyond (a) and (b) necessary?? Didn't used to be.
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To make a distinction for the defenseless player foul.

And I think that with replay bang-bang plays like catch-and-feet was simpler to see on the field in real time and for a human to make a determination that most everyone could agree on. Replay and better players over the years has only highlighted just how wicked fast and athletic these guys are and how that bang-bang in slo mo becomes more gray area in terms of how often guys actually have full control with their hands while their feet/butt/knee have made contact and that these things are synced up. Having them 'clearly become a runner' just gives a moment in replay for them to appear synced and more official.

And no matter the wording of the rule it ain't always gonna be perfect and people will always think calls are out to get their precious team.
 
How come there is no thread on TT where we can talk about the upcoming Titans game?
What happened to that dude that started the "next game" thread as soon as the last game was over?
Damn, we gotta put Thursday night behind us and go stomp the crap outa the Titans.
Hey, the Texans ain't "all that" yet, but we can still have fun beating the mediocre teams.
Hell, the BattleRed KoolAid is still Red, ain't it?
JamTex, come on brother, do your friggin' job!
We got a damn game coming up in 8 days!
A tradition that only lasted 2 games ain't no tradition.
WTF?
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ObsiWan said:
Well, let's see, shall we...? (link)


Okay, the specific term "football move" has been removed. But what does the bolded describe if not a football move? And my real point is, why is any description beyond (a) and (b) necessary?? Didn't used to be.
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I agree. A and B are all that's needed. That's a catch. You have control of the ball, your feet are down, end of story.
 
ROO said:
How come there is no thread on TT where we can talk about the upcoming Titans game?
What happened to that dude that started the "next game" thread as soon as the last game was over?
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I think he was talking isht on a Patriot's board. Probably licking his wounds, but he'll be back.
 
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ROO said:
How come there is no thread on TT where we can talk about the upcoming Titans game?
What happened to that dude that started the "next game" thread as soon as the last game was over?
Damn, we gotta put Thursday night behind us and go stomp the crap outa the Titans.
Hey, the Texans ain't "all that" yet, but we can still have fun beating the mediocre teams.
Hell, the BattleRed KoolAid is still Red, ain't it?
JamTex, come on brother, do your friggin' job!
We got a damn game coming up in 8 days!
A tradition that only lasted 2 games ain't no tradition.
WTF?
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From Tuesday morning:

JamTex said:
Not likely. I won't write it until after the Titans play on Sunday so we can have a better feel for both teams in order to write a good weekly thread.
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ROO said:
How come there is no thread on TT where we can talk about the upcoming Titans game?
What happened to that dude that started the "next game" thread as soon as the last game was over?
Damn, we gotta put Thursday night behind us and go stomp the crap outa the Titans.
Hey, the Texans ain't "all that" yet, but we can still have fun beating the mediocre teams.
Hell, the BattleRed KoolAid is still Red, ain't it?
JamTex, come on brother, do your friggin' job!
We got a damn game coming up in 8 days!
A tradition that only lasted 2 games ain't no tradition.
WTF?
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I'll make that thread today after the Tennessee game brother. Gotta have an idea of how both teams are after 3 games to write a decent thread. It's coming. Don't worry.
 
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thunderkyss said:
I think he was talking isht on a Patriot's board. Probably licking his wounds, but he'll be back.
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I'm not a member of the Patriots board, so no licking wounds. Just letting every body get over their ranting and raving on this board about the terrible loss. It'll pass as we all know. Besides, it wasn't really the regulars in here doing most of the ranting, it was trolls and those that only come on here after a loss to say how terrible the team, coaching, GM and owner are. Lol.
It's really hilarious how the sky falls after the first, early season loss. It's a learning experience for every one and only one loss to a very good team, on the road after a very short week.
It'll be OK.
 
JamTex, glad to have you back, bro. Looking forward to the Titans thread. Disappointment from the New England reuslt is wearing off, and anticipation of ***** slapping the Titans is rising.
 
PapaL said:
Right now I'm more concerned about our tackles than I am our interior OL.
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I'd like to change my position on this. Tackles have been serviceable. Interior OL has been terrible. Jeff Allen is not cutting it at RG. Mancz at center...nothing much we can do there. I'd like to see what their backups can do. Can they be worse?
 
PapaL said:
I'd like to change my position on this. Tackles have been serviceable. Interior OL has been terrible. Jeff Allen is not cutting it at RG. Mancz at center...nothing much we can do there. I'd like to see what their backups can do. Can they be worse?
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The Tackles struggled in pass pro against New England. Interior was alright. But Brock is helping them all getting the ball out on time (most of the time).
 
PapaL said:
Great news!
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He was seen with pads on. However, the important details were left out. We aren't told if he was just trying them on or what his "practice" participation entailed............:foottap: It is likely that the pads were more for testing endurance than for hard practice.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
He was seen with pads on. However, the important details were left out. We aren't told if he was just trying them on or what his "practice" participation entailed............:foottap: It is likely that the pads were more for testing endurance than for hard practice.
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I'm guessing since the Vikings game is 13 days out that they're going to gradually increase his workload.
 
Texans "Mic'd up" was released from the Patriots game:

3rd quarter, 3rd and 8, Texans in huddle:

Osweiler: Guys, hold it down, I'm trying to hear the play....
Mancz: Guys, shhhh......
Osweiler: Uh huh, uh huh.... okay.
Nuk: Well, what is it?
Osweiler: Obrien Special Right.
Nuk: What tha F_ck, man, we done that play like 20 times already and it ain't f_ckin' workin'.
FullerV: F_ck that sh!T dude, I'm goin' deep, hit me fvckin' deep man!
L. Miller: C'mon Oz, check outa that sh!t running play and throw deep to Will.
Osweiler: Guys, we gotta run the play that coach calls.
L. Miller: (groan) My shoulder hurts.
Jeff Allen: My ass hurts.
Suafilo: Hey Brock, am I suppost to block the linebacker or the nose guy on that play?
Osweiler: C'mon guys, let's run the fvckin' play, get serious!
Suafilo: I am serious.
Osweiler: Block the fvckin' linebacker! The LINEBACKER!
Suafilo: Okay.
Osweiler: Hey C.J. - try not to get a holding penalty okay?
Feido: Huh?
Osweiler: Ready, break!

Osweiler and Obrien on the sideline while Lechler punts:

Osweiler: Hey Coach, the troops gettin' disgruntled about the play calls.
Obrien: What?
Osweiler: They want me to audible to plays that may actually work.
Obrien: Brock, I brought you to Houston to be the leader of this team. The fvcking LEADER. How the hell you gonna be the fvcking leader if you don't do fvcking exactly what I fvcking tell you to do?

After the punt, Lechler takes his helmet off and sits down on the bench next to Strong:

Strong: Dude, you may as well leave your helmet on.
Lechler: (groan) You're probably right.
 
I think the Texans address bullies.

They beat up on the week teams but curl up in a ball if a team punches them in the mouth.
 
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