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Now that's brilliant.............have your top QB learning about "fall guys" in return for missing 3 valuable OTAs. :mcnugget:
They aren't the only ones....
Other top rookies listed as participants include: Mitch Trubisky (North Carolina, Chicago Bears), Leonard Fournette (LSU, Jacksonville Jaguars), Corey Davis (Western Michigan, Tennessee Titans), Mike Williams (Clemson, Los Angeles Chargers), Christian McCaffrey (Stanford, Carolina Panthers), John Ross (Washington, Cincinnati Bengals), Pat Mahomes (Texas Tech, Kansas City Chiefs), O.J. Howard (Alabama, Tampa Bay Buccaneers), DeShone Kizer (Notre Dame, Cleveland Browns), JuJu Smith-Schuster (Southern Cal, Pittsburgh Steelers), Davis Webb (California, New York Giants), James Conner (Pittsburgh, Steelers) and Josh Dobbs (Tennessee, Steelers).
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Apparently this 'event' started back in the mid-90s. Here's a picture with some guys you might recognize from a little while back

RosterTurnoverFI.jpg


Yeah, that's RGIII, Russell Wilson, and Teddy Bridgewater on the front row. Not sure who that Texan is sitting behind RGIII....
 
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Do you personally know any business owner that doesn't put making money first? What's the best way to make money in the NFL if it's not winning?

There's away to go about making $$$$ and McNair's made tons.

But his football team is a public trust and he should do his best to put the best product with the best people in charge as possible.

His team became a public trust the minute he took public $$$$. This is what differentiates the McNair's org from most businesses that you're thinking of. IMHO

If McNair is going to take advantage of that public trust by hiring and keeping incompetent people in charge while letting competent people like Gaine go (IMHO) then he should and one day will suffer the same fate as the Oilers/Adams did. I'm personally looking forward to the day that the McNair family sells the team. Because after Bob retires/passes, Cal will take over and this town will turn against him like they did Adams. IMHO
 
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There's away to go about making $$$$ and McNair's made tons.

But his football team is a public trust and he should do his best to put the best product with the best people in charge as possible.

His team became a public trust the minute he took public $$$$. This is what differentiates the McNair's org from most businesses that you're thinking of. IMHO

If McNair is going to take advantage of that public trust by hiring and keeping incompetent people in charge while letting competent people like Gaine go (IMHO) then he should and one day will suffer the same fate as the Oilers/Adams did. I'm personally looking forward to the day that the McNair family sells the team. Because after Bob retires/passes, Cal will take over and this town will turn against him like they did Adams. IMHO

You don't think he's putting the best people (in his opinion, not yours) in charge? I know you don't agree, but the results say otherwise.
 
What results?

They've never been a true contender.


Team has steadily improved or maintained. Won the division 2 of 3 years Brian. Not the best, but they're close. Talking heads all say so

You think any owner listens to them or to fans that boo'ed JJ Watt?
 
Yes

Because I want an owner who puts winning 1st.

I can watch games on direct TV and go to the games I choose, so I really wouldn't/didn't miss the NFL at all. As a matter of fact I found other things to do on Sundays and life is/was good with or without the NFL.

Hahaha again every ownership wants to win because it brings about more money for their franchise/business. But hey believe what you want. Im going to sit back and enjoy me some Texans football. Im very thankful to McNair for putting another Professional Football team in Houston.
 
Hahaha again every ownership wants to win because it brings about more money for their franchise/business. But hey believe what you want. Im going to sit back and enjoy me some Texans football. Im very thankful to McNair for putting another Professional Football team in Houston.

I never understood that argument either.. I have no doubt that he wants to win.. I just question his ability to do so. The guy has ALWAYS wanted to win. He doesn't need the money.

He's one of the wealthiest owners in professional sports and trust me, he isn't going to out live that lifestyle and neither will his great great great grandchildren. The guy wants to win. His family might just might need to be more hands off.

Never a good Idea to develop a personal relationship with a key employee. .it's just not. However anyone who thinks McNair doesn't want to win, we'll that's idiotic thinking.
 
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I can only recall one successful hands on owner...Al Davis. He was a coach before he created the Raiders and his input was valid while the game was current with his way of thinking. That eventually ceased and it took the organization a while to successfully put together a solid management team top to bottom.

No telling how many more Super Bowls Dallas would have won if Jerrah could have kept his ego in check while Johnson was the caretaker of his franchise. But, Jerrah wanted to prove that he could take over and create a winner in his own right....hasn't exactly happened.

McNair might be too close to Jerrah and has taken on the bad habit of trying to micro-manage his franchise. It hasn't exactly garnered him any accolades to date but I guess we as fans will have to wait and see.
 
They aren't the only ones....
LINK
Apparently this 'event' started back in the mid-90s. Here's a picture with some guys you might recognize from a little while back

RosterTurnoverFI.jpg


Yeah, that's RGIII, Russell Wilson, and Teddy Bridgewater on the front row. Not sure who that Texan is sitting behind RGIII....

I certainly know that. The point I was trying to make is how stupid it is for this event to be organized by the NFLPA during the time that it conflicts with OTAs when it could easily be worked out with the NFL to avoid the conflict and loss of valuable OTA experience.
 
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2017 Houston Texans 90 Man Roster: Post-UDFA Signings

All of the UDFA signings are official, so here’s how the Texans’ 90 man roster looks.
by BattleRedCoat May 13, 2017, 9:00am CDT

Here's the Texans’ full roster as of the start of rookie mini-camp.

Note: Bold signifies 2017 draft pick, Bold and Italic signifies 2017 UDFA pickup.

Offense

#
Position Forename Surname Height Weight
3 QB Tom Savage 6-4 230
4 QB Deshaun Watson 6-2 221
5 QB Brandon Weeden 6-4 230
26 RB Lamar Miller 5-10 220
27 RB D'Onta Foreman 6-1 233
28 RB Alfred Blue 6-2 225
33 RB Akeem Hunt 5-10 200
34 RB Tyler Ervin 5-10 185
38 RB Kenny Hilliard 5-11 226
45 FB Jay Prosch 6-1 255
10 WR DeAndre Hopkins 6-1 215
11 WR Jaelen Strong 6-2 205
12 WR Keith Mumphery 6-0 210
13 WR Braxton Miller 6-1 205
15 WR Will Fuller 6-0 180
16 WR Deante Gray 5-10 175
18 WR Shaq Hill 5-10 180
19 WR Justin Hardee 6-1 200
82 WR Wendall Williams 5-10 185
83 WR Riley McCarron 5-9 186
85 WR Tevin Jones 6-2 225
81 TE Evan Baylis 6-6 250
84 TE Ryan Griffin 6-6 265
86 TE Zach Conque 6-6 237
87 TE CJ Fiedorowicz 6-5 265
88 TE RaShaun Allen 6-4 250
89 TE Stephen Anderson 6-2 230
63 OT Kendall Lamm 6-6 310
64 OT Laurence Gibson 6-6 305
70 OT Julién Davenport 6-7 318
74 OT Chris Clark 6-5 305
76 OT Duane Brown 6-4 315
77 OT David Quessenberry 6-5 306
78 OT Dimitiric Camiel 6-7 310
60 OG Jake Simonich 6-5 305
62 OG Chad Slade 6-5 315
71 OG Xavier Su'a-Filo 6-4 320
73 OG Josh Walker 6-5 328
79 OG Jeff Allen 6-4 306
61 C Kyle Fuller 6-5 307
65 C Greg Mancz 6-4 310
66 C Nick Martin 6-4 300

Defense

#
Position Forename Surname Height Weight
67 DE Daniel Ross 6-6 325
68 DE T.J. Daniel 6-6 250
69 DE Matthew Godin 6-6 294
90 DE Jadeveon Clowney 6-5 270
92 DE Brandon Dunn 6-2 310
93 DE Joel Heath 6-6 300
94 DE Ufomba Kamalu 6-6 295
95 DE Christian Covington 6-2 305
99 DE JJ Watt 6-5 295
91 DT Carlos Watkins 6-3 309
96 DT Eli Ankou 6-3 290
97 NT Rickey Hatley 6-4 270
98 NT DJ Reader 6-3 335
47 OLB Eric Lee 6-3 260
49 OLB Tony Washington 6-4 255
54 OLB Gimel President 6-4 275
57 OLB Brennan Scarlett 6-4 260
58 OLB Dayon Pratt 6-4 237
59 OLB Whitney Mercilus 6-4 265
41 ILB Zach Cunningham 6-3 234
42 ILB Shakeel Rashad 6-2 240
50 ILB Avery Williams 5-10 210
51 ILB Dylan Cole 6-1 220
52 ILB Brian Peters 6-4 240
53 ILB Max Bullough 6-3 245
55 ILB Benardrick McKinney 6-4 260
56 ILB Brian Cushing 6-3 255
21 CB Robert Nelson 5-10 170
22 CB Denzel Rice 6-0 196
24 CB Johnathan Joseph 5-11 185
25 CB Kareem Jackson 5-10 185
30 CB Kevin Johnson 6-0 185
31 CB Treston Decoud 6-2 206
39 CB Marcus Roberson 6-0 191
44 CB Dee Virgin 5-10 205
20 S KJ Dillon 6-0 200
23 S Kurtis Drummond 6-1 200
29 S Andre Hal 5-10 195
35 S Eddie Pleasant 5-10 200
36 S Malik Smith 6-0 190
37 S TJ Mutcherson 5-10 197
39 S Lonnie Ballentine 6-3 225
43 S Corey Moore 6-2 200

Special Teams

#
Position Forename Surname Height Weight
9 P Shane Lechler 6-2 230
-- P Cory Carter 5-9 200
7 K Ka'imi Fairbairn 6-0 190
8 K Nick Novak 6-0 200
46 LS Jon Weeks 5-10 250
 
Team has steadily improved or maintained. Won the division 2 of 3 years Brian. Not the best, but they're close. Talking heads all say so

You think any owner listens to them or to fans that boo'ed JJ Watt?

So 9-7 3 yrs in a row after 2-14 is improving?
 
So 9-7 3 yrs in a row after 2-14 is improving?

2014 - 9-7 with no playoffs and Indy winning division

2015 - 9-7 with WC game appearance and winning the division with one other team at .500

2016 - 9-7 with Divisional game appearance and winning the division with two other teams at .500 or better

So actually, that is improving. May not be the results that we as fans wanted or expected, but that is clearly improving as a team in a division that is improving. I'm not even sure how that point can even be argued.
 
Hahaha again every ownership wants to win because it brings about more money for their franchise/business. But hey believe what you want. Im going to sit back and enjoy me some Texans football. Im very thankful to McNair for putting another Professional Football team in Houston.

Glad to know you enjoy mediocrity at best while the McNair's are making their billions. I'm sure they appreciate you.
 
2014 - 9-7 with no playoffs and Indy winning division

2015 - 9-7 with WC game appearance and winning the division with one other team at .500

2016 - 9-7 with Divisional game appearance and winning the division with two other teams at .500 or better

So actually, that is improving. May not be the results that we as fans wanted or expected, but that is clearly improving as a team in a division that is improving. I'm not even sure how that point can even be argued.

9-7 every yr and that's improving? Coming off of a 2-14 season where there should've been a great influx of top tier talent and all they got out of that draft was Clowney. That's if you don't consider XSF/Fiedo/Nix top level talent.

That's called treading water where I come from. But I guess that's what fandom is all about. How long will it take for you guys to realize that the Texans will never be a true contender with Ricky McNair as GM? 11 yrs and counting. 15-20-30 yrs?

I am not going to ruin another thread talking about this incompetent man. If you want to talk about this lets move over to the AE Slick Rick Smith/McNair thread.
 
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Football Outsiders' post-draft 2017 NFL projections

Aaron Schatz/Special to ESPN.com


With the NFL draft in the rearview mirror, it's time for another round of Football Outsiders projections for the 2017 season. As with the projections we did in April, this forecast shows how parity has declined in the NFL over the past few years. Fewer teams are making rapid turnarounds from one season to the next -- and predicting which teams will make those rapid turnarounds is always difficult. Nonetheless, we can get a good idea of why certain teams will be better or worse in 2017 by looking at their underlying performance in 2016 (not just simple wins and losses), and then factoring in coaching/personnel changes and general year-to-year regression trends.

While the NFL draft plays a huge role in building a winning franchise, its effect on the next season is small and difficult to predict. Did your team add a bunch of promising talent on draft day? Guess what: So did every other team -- except the Patriots, who added veteran talent before draft day instead. The draft does play a small role in changing our projections from what we had a month ago, but perhaps not in the way you might expect. Although offense is generally more predictable than defense, drafting defensive players near the top of the draft tends to have a stronger positive effect than drafting offensive players near the top of the draft. Subjectively, we can all be excited that the Los Angeles Chargers added wide receiver Mike Williams and then filled two holes on their offensive line. But objectively, Indianapolis drafting Malik Hooker and Quincy Wilson in the first two rounds has a stronger effect on our forecast for 2017. (But not much stronger: We still have Indianapolis third in the AFC South.)

Our projection system starts with Football Outsiders' DVOA ratings for the past three years, although last year's ratings end up about six times as important as either 2014 or 2015. (You can find last year's final ratings here.) Offensive projections also incorporate a separate projection for the starting quarterback done independent of the team. After that, we account for general regression trends and incorporate a number of other variables that measure everything from turnover ratios to personnel and coaching changes on both sides of the ball.

Each team has a forecasted record but also, for those of you wanting more detail, a more exact "mean projected wins" number. We also list strength of schedule based on average projected DVOA of next year's 16 opponents, ranked from the hardest (Philadelphia is No. 1) to the easiest (New England).

When considering these numbers, remember that this is not the final, official Football Outsiders forecast for 2017. There are still personnel moves to be made, and improvements to our forecast system that will alter our projections before we publish Football Outsiders Almanac 2017 in July.

Also note that stat projections naturally consider a wide range of possibilities. There's a lot of randomness in the NFL: Player development is difficult to predict, injuries have a huge impact, and even the better team on an individual day might not win a game because of the arbitrary bounce of a fumble or a tipped pass. A team projected to go 7-9 could realistically end up anywhere between 3-13 and 11-5. Taking the average of so many possibilities, all teams end up grouped more toward 8-8 with few teams listed with double-digit wins or losses. We've tweaked the results slightly to get a more realistic spread of win-loss records, but nonetheless, the numbers published below don't mean that we expect the 2017 season to end with no team below 5-11.
AFC South

Tennessee Titans: 8-8 (8.3 mean wins; SOS: 29)
Jacksonville Jaguars: 8-8 (7.6 mean wins; SOS: 31)
Indianapolis Colts: 7-9 (7.3 mean wins; SOS: 30)
Houston Texans: 6-10 (6.0 mean wins; SOS: 10)

On the basis of play-by-play performance, the Titans were the best team in the division last season, ranked 15th in our DVOA ratings. They've made some strong free-agent additions on defense, though the decision to cut cornerback Jason McCourty is curious. Our system also buys into the Jaguars a little bit. They were dead last in defensive turnovers per drive, a strong indicator of future improvement, and eventually drafting all that defensive talent and signing free agents such as Calais Campbell and A.J. Bouye has to pay off. Of course, given the state of the Jaguars' offense, it's still not likely to pay off with a playoff appearance, but the team should at least be competitive.

Houston may have won the division last season, but they were a dismal 29th in our DVOA ratings. That first-place finish doesn't do the Texans any schedule favors, because there's a big difference between playing the Patriots and playing the other AFC East teams. Drafting Deshaun Watson doesn't really improve their offensive projection too much; it's not realistic to expect a good season from any rookie, even a first-round pick. Houston is also surprisingly consistent on special teams, and not in a good way; they've ranked in the bottom five for five straight seasons. Those two units outweigh a defense that was good last year and should be better with the return of J.J. Watt. Meanwhile, Indianapolis is listed here at 7-9, same as they were in our April forecast. However, drafting all that defensive talent has changed the actual Colts average from 6.6 wins to 7.3 wins.
 
9-7 every yr and that's improving? Coming off of a 2-14 season where there should've been a great influx of top tier talent and all they got out of that draft was Clowney. That's if you don't consider XSF/Fiedo/Nix top level talent.

That's called treading water where I come from. But I guess that's what fandom is all about.

You just want to look at 9-7 regular season records. I see missing the playoffs, then making the Wildcard game, then making the Divisional game.

I thought what was most important in sports was when you played your last game of the season?

No one wins a regular season Super Bowl, but there have been 6 teams that went to the SB in the last decade with 9-7 or 10-6 regular season records.

I'm actually hoping the Texans go 9-7 again this year and get to the AFC Championship game just to see the spin.
 
Football Outsiders' post-draft 2017 NFL projections

Aaron Schatz/Special to ESPN.com


With the NFL draft in the rearview mirror, it's time for another round of Football Outsiders projections for the 2017 season. As with the projections we did in April, this forecast shows how parity has declined in the NFL over the past few years. Fewer teams are making rapid turnarounds from one season to the next -- and predicting which teams will make those rapid turnarounds is always difficult. Nonetheless, we can get a good idea of why certain teams will be better or worse in 2017 by looking at their underlying performance in 2016 (not just simple wins and losses), and then factoring in coaching/personnel changes and general year-to-year regression trends.

While the NFL draft plays a huge role in building a winning franchise, its effect on the next season is small and difficult to predict. Did your team add a bunch of promising talent on draft day? Guess what: So did every other team -- except the Patriots, who added veteran talent before draft day instead. The draft does play a small role in changing our projections from what we had a month ago, but perhaps not in the way you might expect. Although offense is generally more predictable than defense, drafting defensive players near the top of the draft tends to have a stronger positive effect than drafting offensive players near the top of the draft. Subjectively, we can all be excited that the Los Angeles Chargers added wide receiver Mike Williams and then filled two holes on their offensive line. But objectively, Indianapolis drafting Malik Hooker and Quincy Wilson in the first two rounds has a stronger effect on our forecast for 2017. (But not much stronger: We still have Indianapolis third in the AFC South.)

Our projection system starts with Football Outsiders' DVOA ratings for the past three years, although last year's ratings end up about six times as important as either 2014 or 2015. (You can find last year's final ratings here.) Offensive projections also incorporate a separate projection for the starting quarterback done independent of the team. After that, we account for general regression trends and incorporate a number of other variables that measure everything from turnover ratios to personnel and coaching changes on both sides of the ball.

Each team has a forecasted record but also, for those of you wanting more detail, a more exact "mean projected wins" number. We also list strength of schedule based on average projected DVOA of next year's 16 opponents, ranked from the hardest (Philadelphia is No. 1) to the easiest (New England).

When considering these numbers, remember that this is not the final, official Football Outsiders forecast for 2017. There are still personnel moves to be made, and improvements to our forecast system that will alter our projections before we publish Football Outsiders Almanac 2017 in July.

Also note that stat projections naturally consider a wide range of possibilities. There's a lot of randomness in the NFL: Player development is difficult to predict, injuries have a huge impact, and even the better team on an individual day might not win a game because of the arbitrary bounce of a fumble or a tipped pass. A team projected to go 7-9 could realistically end up anywhere between 3-13 and 11-5. Taking the average of so many possibilities, all teams end up grouped more toward 8-8 with few teams listed with double-digit wins or losses. We've tweaked the results slightly to get a more realistic spread of win-loss records, but nonetheless, the numbers published below don't mean that we expect the 2017 season to end with no team below 5-11.
AFC South

Tennessee Titans: 8-8 (8.3 mean wins; SOS: 29)
Jacksonville Jaguars: 8-8 (7.6 mean wins; SOS: 31)
Indianapolis Colts: 7-9 (7.3 mean wins; SOS: 30)
Houston Texans: 6-10 (6.0 mean wins; SOS: 10)

On the basis of play-by-play performance, the Titans were the best team in the division last season, ranked 15th in our DVOA ratings. They've made some strong free-agent additions on defense, though the decision to cut cornerback Jason McCourty is curious. Our system also buys into the Jaguars a little bit. They were dead last in defensive turnovers per drive, a strong indicator of future improvement, and eventually drafting all that defensive talent and signing free agents such as Calais Campbell and A.J. Bouye has to pay off. Of course, given the state of the Jaguars' offense, it's still not likely to pay off with a playoff appearance, but the team should at least be competitive.

Houston may have won the division last season, but they were a dismal 29th in our DVOA ratings. That first-place finish doesn't do the Texans any schedule favors, because there's a big difference between playing the Patriots and playing the other AFC East teams. Drafting Deshaun Watson doesn't really improve their offensive projection too much; it's not realistic to expect a good season from any rookie, even a first-round pick. Houston is also surprisingly consistent on special teams, and not in a good way; they've ranked in the bottom five for five straight seasons. Those two units outweigh a defense that was good last year and should be better with the return of J.J. Watt. Meanwhile, Indianapolis is listed here at 7-9, same as they were in our April forecast. However, drafting all that defensive talent has changed the actual Colts average from 6.6 wins to 7.3 wins.

Amazingly in 2016, the Texans played a first place schedule (including the Pats) with Brock Freaking Osweiler as the starting QB and managed 9-7 and a Divisional playoff game, and yet this year they are predicted to be the worst team in the division playing a first place schedule (including the Pats) and Savage/Watson as the starter.

I can probably buy into SOME of what they are saying, but this analysis loses credibility with the prediction that the Jags will be the second best team in the division, because they added pieces to a defense and are playing a last place schedule. Uh, the Jags add to their defense every year, play a last place schedule every year, and barely get 3-5 wins every year. The big difference this year is that Bortles is pretty much looking like David Carr these days.
 
They aren't the only ones....
LINK
Apparently this 'event' started back in the mid-90s. Here's a picture with some guys you might recognize from a little while back

RosterTurnoverFI.jpg


Yeah, that's RGIII, Russell Wilson, and Teddy Bridgewater on the front row. Not sure who that Texan is sitting behind RGIII....

Bridgewater?? Wuuuutttt? Looks like Percy Harvin to me & since it's the 2012 draft class, I'm going to go ahead & say that is not Teddy Bridgewater... no glove.

That's Devier Posey behind RGIII & Brock Osweiler two rows behind him.
 
Team has steadily improved or maintained. Won the division 2 of 3 years Brian. Not the best, but they're close. Talking heads all say so

You think any owner listens to them or to fans that boo'ed JJ Watt?

Doesn't matter. His argument has changed over the years & that just proves your point.

At first, it was winning that wasn't important. Then getting to the playoffs. Now... "true contender" After they win the Super Bowl he'll complain that the McNairs aren't interested in building a "true dynasty"
 
I can only recall one successful hands on owner...Al Davis.

McNair might be too close to Jerrah and has taken on the bad habit of trying to micro-manage his franchise.

We'll see.

I think once McNair finds his Parcells, or Belichick, he'll step way, way back. But when you've got Bill O'Brien waiting for Brian Hoyer, then benching him in his very first game, someone needs to step in. & McNair is the only one who could.
 
Doesn't matter. His argument has changed over the years & that just proves your point.

At first, it was winning that wasn't important. Then getting to the playoffs. Now... "true contender" After they win the Super Bowl he'll complain that the McNairs aren't interested in building a "true dynasty"

Whatever dude.

I just want a person in charge that will put the best team on the field possible.

That aint Ricky McNair and there in lies the problem between BOB/Ricky/Gaine.
 
We'll see.

I think once McNair finds his Parcells, or Belichick, he'll step way, way back. But when you've got Bill O'Brien waiting for Brian Hoyer, then benching him in his very first game, someone needs to step in. & McNair is the only one who could.

You hope this happens.

So far there's been no indication it will.

I miss the old days when most on this MB were saying McNair was a hands off owner. (Gullible)
 
Throw Watson out there on Day 1 and everyone in Houston will clearly hear the champagne corks popping in Cleveland!!! I mean, we hand them our 2018 RD1 and RD2 picks and now you would like to make sure they enjoy those picks from inside the 8th pick in both rounds? That would be like rubbing salt, hydrogen peroxide, whisky and squeezing some lemon on a open wound....one at a time!!! Damn, that would be the ultimate disaster.
 
Glad to know you enjoy mediocrity at best while the McNair's are making their billions. I'm sure they appreciate you.

Hahaha ok again why are you following a mediocrity team. How about following the Titans or Jaguars. Teams that haven't had any type of success in years.

Oh and he's enjoying your money as well. He's very thankful to your wife for forcing you to purchase those season tickets.
 
Throw Watson out there on Day 1 and everyone in Houston will clearly hear the champagne corks popping in Cleveland!!! I mean, we hand them our 2018 RD1 and RD2 picks and now you would like to make sure they enjoy those picks from inside the 8th pick in both rounds? That would be like rubbing salt, hydrogen peroxide, whisky and squeezing some lemon on a open wound....one at a time!!! Damn, that would be the ultimate disaster.

So are you saying those picks inside the 8th picks are for sure 100% guarantees. If the Texans do throw Watson out there and we go 10-6 or better. The Browns will receive what picks?

You must be thinking worst case scenario huh.

Why do we always have to think along those lines. Why can't we think best case scenario instead?
 
Hahaha ok again why are you following a mediocrity team. How about following the Titans or Jaguars. Teams that haven't had any type of success in years.

Oh and he's enjoying your money as well. He's very thankful to your wife for forcing you to purchase those season tickets.

Where did you get that my wife forces me to buy tickets. (There's gotta be a song that I can find to respond to this post. (I'm not up to it but would love to see the boards top 40.

To answer your other question.

I'm a Houstonian.
 
Where did you get that my wife forces me to buy tickets. (There's gotta be a song that I can find to respond to this post. (I'm not up to it but would love to see the boards top 40.

To answer your other question.

I'm a Houstonian.

I swear I've read that on a post from you as well. That makes 3 of us.
 
So are you saying those picks inside the 8th picks are for sure 100% guarantees. If the Texans do throw Watson out there and we go 10-6 or better. The Browns will receive what picks?

You must be thinking worst case scenario huh.

Why do we always have to think along those lines. Why can't we think best case scenario instead?

In all honesty...if Watson starts he will be ill-prepared to handle a weak right side of the line and questionable play from the TE's. In the NFL, he can't count on his legs to get him out of trouble especially if defenses are enjoying another season of O'Brien rolling out another dumbed down version of his playbook. This team becomes far to one-dimensional...y'all know, run to the left on 1st and 2nd down primarily, sneak in an occasional inconsequential run to the right, on 3rd and 6+ yards...be safe and plow the running back into the largest mass of humans in front of them or let the right side hand out "Get Your Free QB Hit" tickets here. Knowing how to handle the pressure of Bama's defense and an NFL defense are entirely 2 different worlds.

So sit Watson for a season and if he needs to put on his helmet b/c Savage and Weeden have both been knocked silly...then go ahead and run the young "Franchise QB" out there so he can enjoy some of the hammering to. Lord knows we wouldn't want him to feel left out.

RS just didn't do enough in my mind to address the right side of the OL or TE position to make the transition from college ball to pro ball that easy for Watson to learn this system under duress. He needs to mentored by a veteran. Contrary to your beliefs, Savage is a veteran with substantial playbook knowledge...Weeden is a veteran who has deep playbook knowledge and time under center. I don't care what Weeden looked like in the past with other teams, my concern is how has he looked with the Texans when his number was called...and the answer to that is just fine. Watson could learn a lot from these two over the course of a season while coaches work out the kinks in the other parts of his game. Steve McNair was put on a similar path and it wound up working out great for the Oilers/Titans.

As they say, patience is a virtue.
 
So Savage is better equipped at handling the woes of the right side of the offensive line OptimisticTexan. He's mostdefinitely not an elusive quarterback. No freaking threat at all with his legs. Not only that even when he did play Bill O'Brien still dummy down his offense for him.

Watson elusiveness could help the offensive line tremendously. His quick release could do wonders as well.

I wouldn't call Savage or Weeden vets. Or want our future learning from those scrubs.

Questionable TE play. What do you mean by that? Our TE play was outstanding last season
 
So Savage is better equipped at handling the woes of the right side of the offensive line OptimisticTexan. He's mostdefinitely not an elusive quarterback. No freaking threat at all with his legs. Not only that even when he did play Bill O'Brien still dummy down his offense for him.

Watson elusiveness could help the offensive line tremendously. His quick release could do wonders as well.

I wouldn't call Savage or Weeden vets. Or want our future learning from those scrubs.

Questionable TE play. What do you mean by that? Our TE play was outstanding last season

This.

Savage takes a lot of unneccessary hits going back to his college days. Hopefully he has improved going into this season at feeling pressure and getting rid of the ball early.

I'd say TE is the least of our worries. We have established vets at that position going into their 4th year in this system. Fido and Griffin will know what to do.
 
So Savage is better equipped at handling the woes of the right side of the offensive line OptimisticTexan. He's mostdefinitely not an elusive quarterback. No freaking threat at all with his legs. Not only that even when he did play Bill O'Brien still dummy down his offense for him.

Watson elusiveness could help the offensive line tremendously. His quick release could do wonders as well.

I wouldn't call Savage or Weeden vets. Or want our future learning from those scrubs.

Questionable TE play. What do you mean by that? Our TE play was outstanding last season

When you have questionable positions/play on the OL, TE pass and run blocking becomes very important. Ryan Griffin who was re-signed this March for 3 years has consistently demonstrated poor pass blocking and run blocking.
 
When you have questionable positions/play on the OL, TE pass and run blocking becomes very important. Ryan Griffin who was re-signed this March for 3 years has consistently demonstrated poor pass blocking and run blocking.
Throw in the penchant for drive killing holding calls and the occasional drop at the most inopportune time.

[QUOTE="So Savage is better equipped at handling the woes of the right side of the offensive line OptimisticTexan. He's mostdefinitely not an elusive quarterback. No freaking threat at all with his legs. Not only that even when he did play Bill O'Brien still dummy down his offense for him.
Watson elusiveness could help the offensive line tremendously. His quick release could do wonders as well.

I wouldn't call Savage or Weeden vets. Or want our future learning from those scrubs.[/QUOTE]


If Watson is so prepared to handle this offense from Day 1 how would you say he has improved his problem with INT's? You know, throwing 17 picks at Clemson could be precursor to a bigger problem in the NFL. This will require time for the team to assess how big a problem it truly is and what the common denominator is for his INT's. Then they build a plan on how to help him eliminate this flaw, but it could be tricky since he wouldn't be getting the lion's share of the 1st team reps. One thing Watson will need to learn right away, he can't throw jump balls in the NFL since that was the same issue that doomed Osweiler when under duress.
 
Last season Griffin was not getting flagged often for holding. And besides every TE gets penalized for holding from time to time.

I know the importance of our TE'S being able to block. Last season they were decent in both pass and run blocking. Against elite pass rushers there isnt any TE'S capable of blocking them one on one.
 
When you have questionable positions/play on the OL, TE pass and run blocking becomes very important. Ryan Griffin who was re-signed this March for 3 years has consistently demonstrated poor pass blocking and run blocking.

So let me get this straight. Griffin was drafted in the 6th round as a receiving TE. Everything about him was that he was a very productive receiver at UConn. He catches 50 passes last year making $675k as the backup TE and you are apparently complaining about a new contract (with only $3.2 million guaranteed) because the OL sucked and he didn't do enough of the thing that he wasn't drafted to do to make up for the OL sucking?
 
Throw in the penchant for drive killing holding calls and the occasional drop at the most inopportune time.

[QUOTE="So Savage is better equipped at handling the woes of the right side of the offensive line OptimisticTexan. He's mostdefinitely not an elusive quarterback. No freaking threat at all with his legs. Not only that even when he did play Bill O'Brien still dummy down his offense for him.
Watson elusiveness could help the offensive line tremendously. His quick release could do wonders as well.

I wouldn't call Savage or Weeden vets. Or want our future learning from those scrubs.

If Watson is so prepared to handle this offense from Day 1 how would you say he has improved his problem with INT's? You know, throwing 17 picks at Clemson could be precursor to a bigger problem in the NFL. This will require time for the team to assess how big a problem it truly is and what the common denominator is for his INT's. Then they build a plan on how to help him eliminate this flaw, but it could be tricky since he wouldn't be getting the lion's share of the 1st team reps. One thing Watson will need to learn right away, he can't throw jump balls in the NFL since that was the same issue that doomed Osweiler when under duress.[/QUOTE]

Agreed

But hey, lets just throw Watson to the wolves Game #1. What bad could happen.

Sined HWNSNBM
 
So let me get this straight. Griffin was drafted in the 6th round as a receiving TE. Everything about him was that he was a very productive receiver at UConn. He catches 50 passes last year making $675k as the backup TE and you are apparently complaining about a new contract (with only $3.2 million guaranteed) because the OL sucked and he didn't do enough of the thing that he wasn't drafted to do to make up for the OL sucking?

That's sort of like...James Harden, he had an historic year and then he absolutely stunk up home court in Game 6...which one will most Rockets fans remember? That Game 6 performance left a pretty foul taste in my mouth and to top it all off...Westbrooks historic season will count the most come MVP voting time. It's not what you do most of the time, but what you do when it counts the most.
 
If Watson is so prepared to handle this offense from Day 1 how would you say he has improved his problem with INT's? You know, throwing 17 picks at Clemson could be precursor to a bigger problem in the NFL. This will require time for the team to assess how big a problem it truly is and what the common denominator is for his INT's. Then they build a plan on how to help him eliminate this flaw, but it could be tricky since he wouldn't be getting the lion's share of the 1st team reps. One thing Watson will need to learn right away, he can't throw jump balls in the NFL since that was the same issue that doomed Osweiler when under duress.

Agreed

But hey, lets just throw Watson to the wolves Game #1. What bad could happen.

Sined HWNSNBM[/QUOTE]

Matt Ryan and Winston both threw 19 interceptions their last year in college. The teams that drafted them had no problems throwing them to the Wolves. Peyton Manning had 13 and the Colts had no issue starting him day one. Manning rookie year he had 28 interceptions. And look at how his career turn out to be.

Now why don't yall never bring up success stories like that. Its like you're only focus on the negative aspect.

Negative Nancy mutha jokers.
 
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So let me get this straight. Griffin was drafted in the 6th round as a receiving TE. Everything about him was that he was a very productive receiver at UConn. He catches 50 passes last year making $675k as the backup TE and you are apparently complaining about a new contract (with only $3.2 million guaranteed) because the OL sucked and he didn't do enough of the thing that he wasn't drafted to do to make up for the OL sucking?
You might want to go back and trace back the specific context I was responding to. Texansballer's post which originally responded to OptimisticTexans opening statement of post #3287 which essentially refers to the need for maximum protection of Watson as rookie QB.
 
That's sort of like...James Harden, he had an historic year and then he absolutely stunk up home court in Game 6...which one will most Rockets fans remember? That Game 6 performance left a pretty foul taste in my mouth and to top it all off...Westbrooks historic season will count the most come MVP voting time. It's not what you do most of the time, but what you do when it counts the most.

Horrible example/comparison.
 
Westbrooks historic season will count the most come MVP voting time. It's not what you do most of the time, but what you do when it counts the most.
Except that the voting was done before the playoffs started. Then a there's the fact that Westbrook was bounced by Harden so I'm not sure using Westbrook to make a what you do when it counts point applies here.
 
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