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Number19 said:
Well, the obvious answer is that Howard had three prior seasons of play which is included in his resume.
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Yes more optimism in Davis going forward in his year two however if we look at the last four games each completed there is room for optimism for both in my opinion.

Heck, I am even optimistic that Heck will reduce his number of sacks at right tackle. And while I'm on a roll I'm even optimistic that Nick Caserio will have a great draft picking all the guys I want and we will still have a high enough draft pick in 2023 to select Alabama outside linebacker Will Anderson who had 18 sacks in 2021.
 
Earl34 said:
How much of the time did he play LT? Could he be a late bloomer? Don't you want to evaluate him when he is not flipping from position to position or away from Devlin and BOB's ED offense?
Don't get me wrong, Tunsil is the better player. However, I would not be surprised to see Howard on another roster and starting at LT.
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This is what I'm saying. *** about Davenport who was also moved from position to position and not allowed to learn as it seems they are doing with Howard. I never compared Davenport to laremy tunsil as I'm not comparing him to tytus Howard. But to make a accurate evaluation we need to have all things looked at.
 
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badboy said:
This is what I'm saying. *** about Davenport who was also moved from position to position and not allowed to learn as it seems they are doing with Howard. I never compared Davenport to laremy tunsil as I'm not comparing him to tytus Howard. But to make a accurate evaluation we need to have all things looked at.
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I've looked at him for 3 years with 2 different ol coaches and it's always more of what he can be rather than what he is. What he's proven to be is an avg at best RT and a below avg LG. At some point you need to admit what you drafted you overpaid for.

They moved Davenport because he wasn't athletic enough to play LT or a good enough run blocker to play RT. Same with Howard.

Btw, I don't understand the barnyard reference.
 
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Earl34 said:
How much of the time did he play LT? Could he be a late bloomer? Don't you want to evaluate him when he is not flipping from position to position or away from Devlin and BOB's ED offense?
Don't get me wrong, Tunsil is the better player. However, I would not be surprised to see Howard on another roster and starting at LT.
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He's been through 2 different ol coaches, how much longer do you want to wait on his development?
 
steelbtexan said:
I've looked at him for 3 years with 2 different ol coaches and it's always more of what he can be rather than what he is. What he's proven to be is an avg at best RT and a below avg LG. At some point you need to admit what you drafted you overpaid for.

They moved Davenport because he wasn't athletic enough to play LT or a good enough run blocker to play RT. Same with Howard.

Btw, I don't understand the barnyard reference.
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and yet, the Texans still think Howard is one of their best OL. If he is one of their best, why do you not try to upgrade the others first?
 
vtech9 said:
and yet, the Texans still think Howard is one of their best OL. If he is one of their best, why do you not try to upgrade the others first?
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He's one of their best Doesn't mean he's above or actually good. They've got so many holes to fill, drafting Howard's replacement is probably very low on Caserio's to so list.
 
It’s going to be an interesting TC. Lovie, Warhol and Pep are talking running game like I’ve never heard before. I’d say all of our OL will be observed through a focused lens and right now I don’t know who will fit their scheme. This might be the year to select earth movers in the later rounds before investing in the OL in the first round.
 
Dejaview said:
It’s going to be an interesting TC. Lovie, Warhol and Pep are talking running game like I’ve never heard before. I’d say all of our OL will be observed through a focused lens and right now I don’t know who will fit their scheme. This might be the year to select earth movers in the later rounds before investing in the OL in the first round.
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Tunsil is not a earth mover and he’s never been known as a tenacious run blocker. Tunsil is a finesse LT who likes to ride the defensive player around the pocket. For me, that makes him a horrible match for this offensive scheme and more of a liability in creating functional running lanes at the first level and moving to the second level to keep the runner moving while destroying defensive players who get in his way.

If the Texans get the best road graders available and push their running game beyond respectable, Mills’ life in the pocket will become much easier since defenses would be playing more honest instead of stacking the box and blitzing at every opportunity. TE’s and SWR’s were weapons seldom used b/c of the manner in which defenses were stacking the box, leaving the Texans to face far too many 2nd - 3rd and longs.

Look at what the Titans OL and Derrick Henry did for Tannehill. It took him from being a bust in Miami to a playoff caliber QB in Tennessee…..when Henry was healthy. When Henry wasn’t around, Tannehill could quickly revert back to his Dolphins Tannehill days.

Texans have to get the road graders and a couple of new young legs who can come in and learn how to impose their will on opposing defenses. Adding a couple of WR’s like Watson and Pierce who like to block and a TE of Ruckert’s talent to block, and suddenly the offense could have the ability to deploy as many as 8-9 players on a given play who don’t mind hitting someone if the run is coming their way.

I guess that’s how a team could impose their will, if they so desire.
 
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Earl34 said:
How much of the time did he play LT? Could he be a late bloomer? Don't you want to evaluate him when he is not flipping from position to position or away from Devlin and BOB's ED offense?
Don't get me wrong, Tunsil is the better player. However, I would not be surprised to see Howard on another roster and starting at LT.
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I've been on record for several months now that "my" plan for this year would have Tunsil starting at left tackle, with Howard and Heck contesting over right tackle.
 
Dejaview said:
It’s going to be an interesting TC. Lovie, Warhol and Pep are talking running game like I’ve never heard before. I’d say all of our OL will be observed through a focused lens and right now I don’t know who will fit their scheme. This might be the year to select earth movers in the later rounds before investing in the OL in the first round.
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This is always an issue with rebuilding and a new coaching staff. You can watch film, but you never "know" until you get on the field how sucessfully "some" players under contract will fit into the new schemes. First years always lean toward evaluation.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Tunsil is not a earth mover and he’s never been known as a tenacious run blocker. Tunsil is a finesse LT who likes to ride the defensive player around the pocket. For me, that makes him a horrible match for this offensive scheme and more of a liability in creating functional running lanes at the first level and moving to the second level to keep the runner moving while destroying defensive players who get in his way.

If the Texans get the best road graders available and push their running game beyond respectable, Mills’ life in the pocket will become much easier since defenses would be playing more honest instead of stacking the box and blitzing at every opportunity. TE’s and SWR’s were weapons seldom used b/c of the manner in which defenses were stacking the box, leaving the Texans to face far too many 2nd - 3rd and longs.

Look at what the Titans OL and Derrick Henry did for Tannehill. It took him from being a bust in Miami to a playoff caliber QB in Tennessee…..when Henry was healthy. When Henry wasn’t around, Tannehill could quickly revert back to his Dolphins Tannehill days.

Texans have to get the road graders and a couple of new young legs who can come in and learn how to impose their will on opposing defenses. Adding a couple of WR’s like Watson and Pierce who like to block and a TE of Ruckert’s talent to block, and suddenly the offense could have the ability to deploy as many as 8-9 players on a given play who don’t mind hitting someone if the run is coming their way.

I guess that’s how a team could impose their will, if they so desire.
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Exactly, and is why I haven't wavered in how I would like the Texans to approach this draft and which players I would target. I recognize the Texans have multiple issues, but for 70 years, starting with Unitas & Berry, I've been an offensive guy. We have two first rounders in both '23 and '24 to finish out the rebuild. This year, I want to watch a sucessful offense that is entertaining. If the defense is not yet up to par, that will be OK by me, for this year.
 
vtech9 said:
nd yet, the Texans still think Howard is one of their best OL.
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All we've got is coach speak.

The brought in Aj Cann. Maybe that's to replace Howard as a starter. We don't know.

McCray is still on the roster. When healthy, they consider him a starter.

If they draft two offensive linemen (projected to start), you can be sure their opinion of Howard is not as high as we've been led to believe.
 
thunderkyss said:
All we've got is coach speak.

The brought in Aj Cann. Maybe that's to replace Howard as a starter. We don't know.

McCray is still on the roster. When healthy, they consider him a starter.

If they draft two offensive linemen (projected to start), you can be sure their opinion of Howard is not as high as we've been led to believe.
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I'm hoping they take an O and a D lineman with the first two picks. Dominating line play is always a good thing, on either side of the ball.
 
thunderkyss said:
All we've got is coach speak.

The brought in Aj Cann. Maybe that's to replace Howard as a starter. We don't know.

McCray is still on the roster. When healthy, they consider him a starter.

If they draft two offensive linemen (projected to start), you can be sure their opinion of Howard is not as high as we've been led to believe.
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By drafting one OT, I think it will show that they don't expect Tunsil to be around for very long, and they have to either find his replacement, or find a replacement RT if Howard is moved to LT after Tunsil leaves. If they bring in two OT's, I will say that they are looking for replacements for both Howard and Tunsil. Of course, if they don't pick up Howard's 5th year option, as @steelbtexan said, it will show that the Texans aren't sold on Howard.
 
vtech9 said:
By drafting one OT, I think it will show that they don't expect Tunsil to be around for very long, and they have to either find his replacement, or find a replacement RT if Howard is moved to LT after Tunsil leaves. If they bring in two OT's, I will say that they are looking for replacements for both Howard and Tunsil. Of course, if they don't pick up Howard's 5th year option, as @steelbtexan said, it will show that the Texans aren't sold on Howard.
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If they think Tunsil won’t be around long I’d like to see him/both traded before the draft unless the thinking is that they will be more valuable during the season once injuries start hitting teams, even the Texans.
 
Dejaview said:
If they think Tunsil won’t be around long I’d like to see him/both traded before the draft unless the thinking is that they will be more valuable during the season once injuries start hitting teams, even the Texans.
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If they're not planning on extending Tunsil past 2023 I expect them to trade him before next season, probably June 1st designation because of Nick's salary cap mastery.
 
vtech9 said:
By drafting one OT, I think it will show that they don't expect Tunsil to be around for very long, and they have to either find his replacement, or find a replacement RT if Howard is moved to LT after Tunsil leaves. If they bring in two OT's, I will say that they are looking for replacements for both Howard and Tunsil. Of course, if they don't pick up Howard's 5th year option, as @steelbtexan said, it will show that the Texans aren't sold on Howard.
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It wouldn't surprise me at all if Caserio Drafted Neal and traded Tunsil after this season. Declined Howards 5th yr option and drafted another ot in the 2023 draft.

Of course it's looking more likely that Tunsil is here in 2023 and they decline Howard's option and if Heck isn't the RT of the future then drafting an OT in 2023.

Obviously you dont remember that I liked the the Howard/Scharping picks at the time. I was wrong on them.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
Wow now we’re calling him a bust. Went from dragging him because he played for a small school in college. How in the world is he a bust now. When we don’t like a player, there’s no length we will go to tear them down.
Well buddy the GM or the coaches does not agree with you and neither does I.
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I said Howard was an avg at best OT. Not a bust although for his draft position he's looking busty. A below avg LG.

He's probably the Texans 2nd best OL and that speaks volumes. Avg is avg are you saying that he's above avg? Who are these GM's/HC's that think he's an above avg player after 3 yrs in the NFL?
 
I was watching some clips of Thibodeaux and his calling card was that he never took plays off. It was mentioned several times on his highlights. Then you hear about him stopping half way through the combine and a few other things he has done that doesn't match up with the tape and what was being said about him on the field. Then I got to thinking...who would want to play in Jacksonville or Detroit? I could easily see him half-a**ng it to not be in the top 2. If you go there you are pretty certain not a be one of the premier faces of the league. Watt proved that you can easily be a face on the Texans. Just a little theory...
 
TheRealJoker said:
Not sure where to put this but Mcclain is retiring:

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

Longtime NFL writer John McClain retires after 47 years at Houston Chronicle

John McClain's first NFL training camp was in 1977 with the Houston Oilers.
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Lots of jokes made at his expense and he did have a lot of detractors. As I and others have mentioned over the years if he just stuck to his stories rather than trying to be a reputable source of Texans info the public would have been better served my opinion.
I bear him no ill-will and wish him and his wife a good joyous retirement. I he will continue his efforts for lack of a better word on Radio 610.
 
vtech9 said:
True random thought. I hate when people post a Twitter link to show Texans news. I'm behind a firewall, and can't see any of it. What is even worse is when people start commenting on the twitter post without ever saying what it contains. It's frustrating.
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Why do remain behind a firewall?
 
I could definitely see Cooks getting traded for a 2nd or as part of a package to move back into the 1st round. Especially if the Texans go WR early and acquire their “replacement” for him ahead of time. He’s a good player, but as the article states, not part of the long term plans.

I think a contending team in need of a vet WR will make a move for him on draft night (Packers and Chiefs).

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Brandin Cooks Trade Rumors: 'Texans Have Received Multiple Calls' on WR

The Houston Texans have reprotedly res Jeremy Fowler on ESPN SportsCenter about Brandin Cooks:"I was told that the Texans have received multiple calls on...
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TheRealJoker said:
I could definitely see Cooks getting traded for a 2nd or as part of a package to move back into the 1st round. Especially if the Texans go WR early and acquire their “replacement” for him ahead of time. He’s a good player, but as the article states, not part of the long term plans.

I think a contending team in need of a vet WR will make a move for him on draft night (Packers and Chiefs).

syndication.bleacherreport.com

Brandin Cooks Trade Rumors: 'Texans Have Received Multiple Calls' on WR

The Houston Texans have reprotedly res Jeremy Fowler on ESPN SportsCenter about Brandin Cooks:"I was told that the Texans have received multiple calls on...
syndication.bleacherreport.com
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Point of clarification.
The article doesn't state that he's not part of the long term plans.
It speculates that it's unlikely that he's considered peice of the long term core.

It's probably a minor distinction, but the way you worded it makes it sound as if the article is stating the official team stance.
 
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michaelm said:
Point of clarification.
The article doesn't state that he's not part of the long term plans.
It speculates that it's unlikely that he's considered peice of the long term core.

It's probably a minor distinction, but the way you worded it makes it sound as if the article is stating the official team stance.
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True. Not official team stance, more a projection based on where player is at in his career and where the team is at. Cooks stands to make a lot more money in his contract year catching passes from Patrick Mahomes or Aaron Rodgers than he does here.
 
TheRealJoker said:
I could definitely see Cooks getting traded for a 2nd or as part of a package to move back into the 1st round. Especially if the Texans go WR early and acquire their “replacement” for him ahead of time. He’s a good player, but as the article states, not part of the long term plans.

I think a contending team in need of a vet WR will make a move for him on draft night (Packers and Chiefs).

syndication.bleacherreport.com

Brandin Cooks Trade Rumors: 'Texans Have Received Multiple Calls' on WR

The Houston Texans have reprotedly res Jeremy Fowler on ESPN SportsCenter about Brandin Cooks:"I was told that the Texans have received multiple calls on...
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If teams want a veteran receiver rather than a rookie receiver, then the Texans need to be compensated with a #1 pick, especially since it will be a late #1. Or no deal.
 
Number19 said:
If teams want a veteran receiver rather than a rookie receiver, then the Texans need to be compensated with a #1 pick, especially since it will be a late #1. Or no deal.
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Its a nice idea but like Matt Ryan or Davante Parker you have to take contract into account. Cooks is on the final year of his deal. And teams have learned from GM OB to not give up a big haul for a player before securing a long term contract. Otherwise they get Tunsiled!

The Packers and Chiefs hold 2nd round picks between 50 and 62. That’s a fair pick range for Cooks. Texans secure a talent that is a high likelihood starter on a rookie contract and the Packers and Chiefs get a player that can immediately step in and numb the pain of losing their #1 WR.
 
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TheRealJoker said:
Its a nice idea but like Matt Ryan or Davante Parker you have to take contract into account. Cooks is on the final year of his deal. And teams have learned from GM OB to not give up a big haul for a player before securing a long term contract. Otherwise they get Tunsiled!

The Packers and Chiefs hold 2nd round picks between 50 and 62. That’s a fair pick range for Cooks. Texans secure a talent that is a high likelihood starter on a rookie contract and the Packers and Chiefs get a better that can immediately step in and numb the pain of losing their #1 WR.
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Nope, wouldn't do it. I'd rather see the Texans extend his contract two years.
 
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