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For the most part this franchise has been a horrible mess its entire existence. And expecting it to be otherwise with the clowns in charge now is fantasy even the SyFy channel would have difficulty coming up with.

Just get used to watching a crap team, it's how it's going to be for a while. Especially with the Cal/Easterby love affair. I almost feel sorry for Casino and Cully. Almost.
 
This is revisionist history and it doesn't make sense. Easterby contributed to this mess. If Caserio was such a hot GM candidate, why does he need Easterby to be his hype man? If this was such a mess, why would a hot GM candidate come here to clean it up? I just cannot buy this PR worthy spin.

This depends on if you think BobMcNair wanted to hired Caserio before he died. I think he did and you obviously disagree with me. That's OK.
 
This is revisionist history and it doesn't make sense. Easterby contributed to this mess. If Caserio was such a hot GM candidate, why does he need Easterby to be his hype man? If this was such a mess, why would a hot GM candidate come here to clean it up? I just cannot buy this PR worthy spin.

I think the idea is that the McNairs knew they wanted Caserio. When Kraft failed to live up to Easterby’s standards, he walked away from the Patriots.

Knowing that Easterby & Caserio are bffs, the McNairs jumped on Easterby hoping they can lure Caserio to Houston.

However, when Caserio’s deal expired with the Patriots he renewed it. That probably had the McNair’s wondering if they were going to be able to get him.

Who knows? But it is true the McNairs wanted Caserio before Easterby was a Texans.
 
I think the idea is that the McNairs knew they wanted Caserio. When Kraft failed to live up to Easterby’s standards, he walked away from the Patriots.

Knowing that Easterby & Caserio are bffs, the McNairs jumped on Easterby hoping they can lure Caserio to Houston.

However, when Caserio’s deal expired with the Patriots he renewed it. That probably had the McNair’s wondering if they were going to be able to get him.

Who knows? But it is true the McNairs wanted Caserio before Easterby was a Texans.

This depends on if you think BobMcNair wanted to hired Caserio before he died. I think he did and you obviously disagree with me. That's OK.
There is no doubt Bob McNair wanted to hire the File Clerk because Bill O'Brien highly recommended that Bob McNair do just that. This time around it was Jack Easterby who highly recommended to Game Boy that he should hire the File Clerk. There is no difference when Gary Kubiak highly recommended to Bob McNair that he hire Rick Smith and we all know just how much you loved that deal. Only this dumpster fire dwarfs the Rick Smith dumpster fire.
 
There is no doubt Bob McNair wanted to hire the File Clerk because Bill O'Brien highly recommended that Bob McNair do just that. This time around it was Jack Easterby who highly recommended to Game Boy that he should hire the File Clerk. There is no difference when Gary Kubiak highly recommended to Bob McNair that he hire Rick Smith and we all know just how much you loved that deal. Only this dumpster fire dwarfs the Rick Smith dumpster fire.

You do know that McNair and Kraft were good friends. That's probably how McNair found out about Caserio.
 
There’s a little doubt. That article says Korn Ferry identified Caserio before the Texans settled on Gaine.
The reason McNair settled on Gaine is because this was after the first time the Pats denied Houston's request to interview the File Clerk. And before you go there I'm sure Korn Ferry thought Scott Pioli was must hire GM too.

You do know that McNair and Kraft were good friends. That's probably how McNair found out about Caserio.
Yes I know Kraft and McNair were friends. Pretty sure that is how O'Brien ended up in Houston. Kraft probably told Bob you've got to hire this guy. Must have been on April Fools. Now I ask you, would you take advice from one of your main competitors? Would you be stupid enough to accept it?

The BIG reason your theory doesn't hold water is if Kraft told McNair he needed to hire the File Clerk then why did Kraft refuse McNair's request to interview the File Clerk? No Kraft and the File Clerk do not compute. O'Brien is to the File Clerk what Kubiak was to Rick Smith. It's that simple. Elementary my Dear Watson.

The Pats were insistent on keeping the File Clerk in Boston strongly suggest he played a BIG part in setting the draft board (preparing the dinner menu) for Chef Belichick. The Pats didn't want the File Clerks draft knowledge leaving the building. This also poo poos your idea that it was Bill Belichick and nobody else. What we know is the File Clerk was instrumental in setting the Pats very bad draft board with some very bad players. This was confirmed by the highly successful 2021 Pats draft vs the previous 12 File Clerk drafts that ranged anywhere from bad to poor and this was attested to by Bob Kraft himself.
 
What we know is the File Clerk was instrumental in setting the Pats very bad draft board with some very bad players. This was confirmed by the highly successful 2021 Pats draft vs the previous 12 File Clerk drafts that ranged anywhere from bad to poor and this was attested to by Bob Kraft himself.

No body knows nothing. This is all opinion.

The fact you keep spreading it makes it a purposeful lie.


“In years past, the Patriots’ pre-draft process looked different from that of other teams and essentially saw the college scouts build the foundation throughout the year with Belichick and the coaching staff taking over from February on. At that point, most of the scouting department would be excluded with only a handful of its members still actively involved in the search for college talent between February and late April.”

“The Patriots have employed a “different approach” this year. My sense right now is that has translated inside the building in a more collaborative Belichick, who’s listening not just to his top guys, Dave Ziegler and Eliot Wolf, but also those rising through the organization, like national scout Matt Groh. Now, I don’t know if it’ll change the Patriots’ luck on draft day. Or if Belichick will pull back on it when we get there. But for now, it feels like a good positive step for them.”


What Kraft said:

“If you want to have a good, consistent, winning football team, you can’t do it in free agency. You have to do it through the draft,” Kraft said. “That’s when you’re able to get people of great talent — whether it’s Willie McGinest or Tom Brady — you get them at a price where you can build a team and be competitive. Once they get to their first contract, if they’re superstars, you can only balance so many of them.

“So really, the teams who draft well are the ones who will be consistently good. I don’t feel we’ve done the greatest job the last few years, and I really hope — and I believe — I’ve seen a different approach this year.”
 
And before you go there I'm sure Korn Ferry thought Scott Pioli was must hire GM too.
I am not tooting Korn Ferry's horn. They're the ones who pointed Bob to BO'b.

I'm just pointing out according to the link from my post, it wasn't Easterby that got the McNair's interested in Caserio.

As he did when he hired Bill O’Brien as the Texans’ head coach in 2014, McNair used the Korn Ferry consulting firm...

According to those involved in that search, Caserio was at the top of the list of recommendations...
 
No body knows nothing. This is all opinion.

The fact you keep spreading it makes it a purposeful lie.


“In years past, the Patriots’ pre-draft process looked different from that of other teams and essentially saw the college scouts build the foundation throughout the year with Belichick and the coaching staff taking over from February on. At that point, most of the scouting department would be excluded with only a handful of its members still actively involved in the search for college talent between February and late April.”

“The Patriots have employed a “different approach” this year. My sense right now is that has translated inside the building in a more collaborative Belichick, who’s listening not just to his top guys, Dave Ziegler and Eliot Wolf, but also those rising through the organization, like national scout Matt Groh. Now, I don’t know if it’ll change the Patriots’ luck on draft day. Or if Belichick will pull back on it when we get there. But for now, it feels like a good positive step for them.”


What Kraft said:

“If you want to have a good, consistent, winning football team, you can’t do it in free agency. You have to do it through the draft,” Kraft said. “That’s when you’re able to get people of great talent — whether it’s Willie McGinest or Tom Brady — you get them at a price where you can build a team and be competitive. Once they get to their first contract, if they’re superstars, you can only balance so many of them.

“So really, the teams who draft well are the ones who will be consistently good. I don’t feel we’ve done the greatest job the last few years, and I really hope — and I believe — I’ve seen a different approach this year.”
What do you think it means when "only a handful ... still involve... Between Feb and late April"?

Who were among that handful?
 
The reason McNair settled on Gaine is because this was after the first time the Pats denied Houston's request to interview the File Clerk. And before you go there I'm sure Korn Ferry thought Scott Pioli was must hire GM too.


Yes I know Kraft and McNair were friends. Pretty sure that is how O'Brien ended up in Houston. Kraft probably told Bob you've got to hire this guy. Must have been on April Fools. Now I ask you, would you take advice from one of your main competitors? Would you be stupid enough to accept it?

The BIG reason your theory doesn't hold water is if Kraft told McNair he needed to hire the File Clerk then why did Kraft refuse McNair's request to interview the File Clerk? No Kraft and the File Clerk do not compute. O'Brien is to the File Clerk what Kubiak was to Rick Smith. It's that simple. Elementary my Dear Watson.

The Pats were insistent on keeping the File Clerk in Boston strongly suggest he played a BIG part in setting the draft board (preparing the dinner menu) for Chef Belichick. The Pats didn't want the File Clerks draft knowledge leaving the building. This also poo poos your idea that it was Bill Belichick and nobody else. What we know is the File Clerk was instrumental in setting the Pats very bad draft board with some very bad players. This was confirmed by the highly successful 2021 Pats draft vs the previous 12 File Clerk drafts that ranged anywhere from bad to poor and this was attested to by Bob Kraft himself.

Friends talk, Kraft probably told McNair that Caserio was an up and coming guy. Then McNair tried to poach Caserio. That's 1 reason why Kraft didn't want to let Caserio walk even though they let every candidate other accept GM jobs besides Caserio.

Like I said Caserio did the leg work Belichick made the final calls. IMHO

You disagree and that's OK.
 
What Kraft said:
“So really, the teams who draft well are the ones who will be consistently good. I don’t feel we’ve done the greatest job the last few years, and I really hope — and I believe — I’ve seen a different approach this year.”

If you can't figure out what Kraft is saying here it is because you don't to. It doesn't fit your narrative or agenda. Just another case of believing what you want to believe. You've a bad case of wishful thinking.
 
Again. That’s my point. We don’t know.
Of course there are a lot of things we don't know.
Just like that article, it doesn't say anything definite that is highly informative.

However, when a guy is the top of the scouting department and he's not involved while others below him were, it makes next to zero sense.

It's like you're sending out your best players to the Pro-Bowl and the "supposedly" main guy isn't included.
 
What Kraft said:
“So really, the teams who draft well are the ones who will be consistently good. I don’t feel we’ve done the greatest job the last few years, and I really hope — and I believe — I’ve seen a different approach this year.”

If you can't figure out what Kraft is saying here it is because you don't to. It doesn't fit your narrative or agenda. Just another case of believing what you want to believe. You've a bad case of wishful thinking.

What we know is the File Clerk was instrumental in setting the Pats very bad draft board with some very bad players. This was confirmed by the highly successful 2021 Pats draft vs the previous 12 File Clerk drafts that ranged anywhere from bad to poor and this was attested to by Bob Kraft himself.

Cue the “that escalated quickly” meme.

Like I said: a lot of opinion trying to be expressed as fact over and over again that becomes purposeful lying.

Did you ever run for political office because you would make one hell of a politician.
 
What Kraft said:
“So really, the teams who draft well are the ones who will be consistently good. I don’t feel we’ve done the greatest job the last few years, and I really hope — and I believe — I’ve seen a different approach this year.”

If you can't figure out what Kraft is saying here it is because you don't to. It doesn't fit your narrative or agenda. Just another case of believing what you want to believe. You've a bad case of wishful thinking.
Just curious, did you read the part where they said the scouts were isolated from the process after February & the coaches took over from there with Belichick. Or the part that Kraft was pleased to see Caserio’s replacement & other scouts now being engaged after February?
 
Just curious, did you read the part where they said the scouts were isolated from the process after February & the coaches took over from there with Belichick. Or the part that Kraft was pleased to see Caserio’s replacement & other scouts now being engaged after February?
Yes I did and by all accounts a scouts work is pretty much done after February. I mean they have been gathering information and writing scouting reports since spring practices, that's 11 months. I also read where the author said he got the "sense", so I also see that there was some guessing involved.

My interpretation of Kraft's comments is he was displeased by with the process by previous personnel (this is very basic reading and comprehension stuff) and is tickled pink with the new approach and the process implemented by the new personnel (still very basic stuff here). This is not about the scouts, this was a direct comparison of Nick Caserio vs Eliot Wolf, as was noted by the author. Connecting the dots is pretty much straight forward. There is no maze here.

Kraft's comments about the "new approach" is much like Steve Spurrier's comments about Jadeveon Clowney, an 8th grader could easily understand. If they really wanted to.
 
This is not about the scouts, this was a direct comparison of Nick Caserio vs Eliot Wolf, as was noted by the author.
This is a figment of your imagination. Caserio's direct replacement is Dave Ziegler. If anything it would be a comparison between Caserio & Ziegler. Wolf is a consultant, providing information to Ziegler who makes the decisions.


Connecting the dots is pretty much straight forward. There is no maze here.

The dots you're connecting are not the dots the author is providing. He stated clearly what he was saying.
 
This is a figment of your imagination. Caserio's direct replacement is Dave Ziegler. If anything it would be a comparison between Caserio & Ziegler. Wolf is a consultant, providing information to Ziegler who makes the decisions.

The dots you're connecting are not the dots the author is providing. He stated clearly what he was saying.
Maybe one should remove the rose colored glasses for a more accurate view of the landscape. The author did in fact mention Wolf by name along with Ziegler. A reread and another review of the article is probably in order. As a consultant one could advise how to make necessary changes to the approach and processes of how things were done previously. That's what consultants do. Since Wolf is still consulting the Pats and Kraft must still approve.
 
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What Kraft said:
“So really, the teams who draft well are the ones who will be consistently good. I don’t feel we’ve done the greatest job the last few years, and I really hope — and I believe — I’ve seen a different approach this year.”

If you can't figure out what Kraft is saying here it is because you don't to. It doesn't fit your narrative or agenda. Just another case of believing what you want to believe. You've a bad case of wishful thinking.


Kraft coming across sounding like a jilted bride.

“So really, the teams who draft well are the ones who will be consistently good." Describes the Pats during Caserios tenure.
Saying otherwise undermines credibility.

Kraft fought to keep Caserio who bolted the first chance he got.

:coffee:
 
Just curious, did you read the part where they said the scouts were isolated from the process after February & the coaches took over from there with Belichick. Or the part that Kraft was pleased to see Caserio’s replacement & other scouts now being engaged after February?

I believe you misread it.

What it was:
" At that point, most of the scouting department would be excluded with only a handful of its members still actively involved in the search for college talent between February and late April."
 
Kraft coming across sounding like a jilted bride.

“So really, the teams who draft well are the ones who will be consistently good." Describes the Pats during Caserios tenure.
Saying otherwise undermines credibility.

Kraft fought to keep Caserio who bolted the first chance he got.

:coffee:
I believe you also read it wrong.

What it was:

“So really, the teams who draft well are the ones who will be consistently good. I don’t feel we’ve done the greatest job the last few years, and I really hope — and I believe — I’ve seen a different approach this year.”

The last few years was with Caserio.
And Kraft didn't think the Patriots were doing a good job with drafting during those years.
 
Yes I did and by all accounts a scouts work is pretty much done after February. I mean they have been gathering information and writing scouting reports since spring practices, that's 11 months. I also read where the author said he got the "sense", so I also see that there was some guessing involved.

My interpretation of Kraft's comments is he was displeased by with the process by previous personnel (this is very basic reading and comprehension stuff) and is tickled pink with the new approach and the process implemented by the new personnel (still very basic stuff here). This is not about the scouts, this was a direct comparison of Nick Caserio vs Eliot Wolf, as was noted by the author. Connecting the dots is pretty much straight forward. There is no maze here.

Kraft's comments about the "new approach" is much like Steve Spurrier's comments about Jadeveon Clowney, an 8th grader could easily understand. If they really wanted to.

“In years past, the Patriots’ pre-draft process looked different from that of other teams and essentially saw the college scouts build the foundation throughout the year with Belichick and the coaching staff taking over from February on. At that point, most of the scouting department would be excluded with only a handful of its members still actively involved in the search for college talent between February and late April.”

The article says that the scouts build the foundation and then Belicheck and the coaching staff take over.

If anything it says that Caserio is not in the draft process…

Now you could argue that…

Just don’t make up stuff.
 
I believe you also read it wrong.

What it was:

“So really, the teams who draft well are the ones who will be consistently good. I don’t feel we’ve done the greatest job the last few years, and I really hope — and I believe — I’ve seen a different approach this year.”

The last few years was with Caserio.
And Kraft didn't think the Patriots were doing a good job with drafting during those years.

Maybe you read it wrong?

“In years past, the Patriots’ pre-draft process looked different from that of other teams and essentially saw the college scouts build the foundation throughout the year with Belichick and the coaching staff taking over from February on. At that point, most of the scouting department would be excluded with only a handful of its members still actively involved in the search for college talent between February and late April.”

You could make the argument that Caserio was not in the drafting process because it says the scouts “set the table” and then Belicheck and the coaches took over.
 
Maybe you read it wrong?

“In years past, the Patriots’ pre-draft process looked different from that of other teams and essentially saw the college scouts build the foundation throughout the year with Belichick and the coaching staff taking over from February on. At that point, most of the scouting department would be excluded with only a handful of its members still actively involved in the search for college talent between February and late April.”

You could make the argument that Caserio was not in the drafting process because it says the scouts “set the table” and then Belicheck and the coaches took over.
No, it says "A handful of people in the scouting department are still actively involved in the search for college talent between February and late April".

It's clear in black and white.
 
No, it says "A handful of people in the scouting department are still actively involved in the search for college talent between February and late April".

It's clear in black and white.

You said the last few years were with Caserio. I provided you with the quote. It actually doesn’t say that Caserio would have been involved. We assume he was because he supposed to be Belicheck’s assistant GM.

It too is in black and white.

It doesn’t say Caserio was involved in the draft process in prior years.

Is there another article that says he was and what he did?
 
You said the last few years were with Caserio. I provided you with the quote. It actually doesn’t say that Caserio would have been involved. We assume he was because he supposed to be Belicheck’s assistant GM.

It too is in black and white.

It doesn’t say Caserio was involved in the draft process in prior years.

Is there another article that says he was and what he did?
Did I ever said anything more than requoting whatever Kraft said?
 
You said the last few years were with Caserio. I provided you with the quote. It actually doesn’t say that Caserio would have been involved. We assume he was because he supposed to be Belicheck’s assistant GM.

It too is in black and white.

It doesn’t say Caserio was involved in the draft process in prior years.

Is there another article that says he was and what he did?
But since you asked, it's easy to Google a few articles to learn about Caserio's involvement:



Caserio loved him some N'Keal Harry alright.
In fact, the top 3 guys in that draft were either bust (ask the Patriots' fans) or minimal contributor up til this point.

I'm sure there are more articles out there if you bother to look up.
 
Jaylen Samuels to the practice squad. I liked him as a “swiss army knife” prospect in college. But it seems he is too versatile and not quite competent enough at any one position to maintain an active roster spot with an NFL team at this point.

Ideal practice squad player though for his ability to “mimic” a variety of positions for the players who will be playing on game day.
 
I posted this in the game day thread but with that disaster, I'm not sure how many will actually visit that thread. Random thought of the day:

During the B'OB era, the Texans have played the Patriots every year since 2015. I think besides divisional opponents, Tim Kelly has more familiarity with the Patriots defense and how they operate than any other team. When you think about it. Although the Patriots went 5-2, the recent games were decided by -7 (2020), -6 (2019), +7 (2018), +3 (2017). Compare that to pre-Watson years when the games where lopsided losses -27 (2016), -21 (2015).

So, I think based on his experience game planning for the Patriots based on O'Brien's concepts, familiarity and focus on the Patriots defense, he was comfortable going against that defense and ended up losing the game by 3 points. In other words, his game plan was based on what he learned from B'OB and how O'Brien would attack the Patriots defensive tendencies.

The problem? He is also game planning how O'Brien would with Watson and even Hopkins against other teams. David Culley mentioned he loved what Tim Kelly did last year in the passing game. If that is true, at this point in his career, Tim Kelly should be a passing game coordinator for an AFC East team and not an offensive coordinator.
 
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Watched my first Texan game in six weeks yesterday. The Rams did show a little mercy toward the end of the slaughter. Lots of laughing and back slapping going on the Rams side.

Most notable thing I saw was the Texan fan wearing a paper sack over his head with "sell the team" written on it.

Sounds like a good movement should be in the works.

Every pre-snap D play had a Texan player running from one sideline to the other to cover someone. Play was usually in progress time he got in position. He'd be too worn out to cover anyone.

This cluster has to be by design. I can see now why Culley and Lovie were available to us.

Our players are being sabotaged. The McNairs gotta go.

:coffee:
 
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