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TEXANS ATTEMPTING A REBOUND AGAINST THE RAVENS IN WEEK 2

Mangler

All Pro
Agreed.

He looked aiight under Sherman, uh under Gase, & now... pretty damn good under his third HC.
And who is said third HC, by the way? The guy looks very familiar, lol. Phillip River looks like he’s in his way to making the list as well. Dak Prescott is another one to watch this season since he’s under new coaching staff. I guess the answer to the question is, QBs do and have improved under new HCs.
 
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steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
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And who is said third HC, by the way? The guy looks very familiar, lol. Phillip River looks like he’s in his way to making the list as well. Dak Prescott is another one to watch this season since he’s under new coaching staff. I guess the answer to the question is, QBs do and have improved under new HCs.
Dak so far has looked like Dak. 1st game was so-so. 2nd game he looked great according to the stats. I didn't watch the game.


Tannehill
Tannehll has always been an above avg QB. He just is playing with a more talented team and has finally been able to stay healthy. I remember when posters used to laugh at me when I said Tannehill was better than DW4. I dont here from those guys as much these days.
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
Tannehll has always been an above avg QB. He just is playing with a more talented team and has finally been able to stay healthy. I remember when posters used to laugh at me when I said Tannehill was better than DW4. I dont here from those guys as much these days.
Offensive line and play calling are the difference.
Oh, and the running game.
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
Can a QB be taught not to lock onto his 1st read when that's what he's done his entire life?
Watson does not lock onto his 1st read always, even in college.
All QBs locked onto their primary receivers more often than you think.
True, it's not always a good thing, but if the QB keeps looking one way and throw another; the defense will pick up on that tendency also.
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
Aside from Goff .... name another QB who got better under a new coach.

I can't think of any recent ones.
There are not too many recent ones since there are not that many movements and not all that many good HCs to begin with. So the names already mentioned are plenty.
I'll be looking at Mayfield in the new WCO; his current numbers aren't great, but the sack numbers went way down as he doesn't run around aimlessly anymore.
It's a better functioning offense now than last year.
 
Aside from Goff .... name another QB who got better under a new coach.

I can't think of any recent ones.
Do we really need another example? The fact that Goff was failing before the coaching change by itself is an example that exist that a change in coaching can make all the difference.

If I have to come up with another example I would say Ryan Tannehill. Ryan was struggling before he ended up with the Titans.

I could also say that proof that poor coaching has an effect on a QB is also the LA Rams back when they had Nick Foles. Nick got his chance to QB the Rams and had some of the same issues that Goff had under the same coaches. He goes back to the Eagles and as a back up that got another chance, he excels and is the MVP in a Super Bowl.

One could also say that certain teams have a long line of QB failures and a common thread to those failures at QB is a long list of coaching failures. Many QB's never got another chance or were given a second chance to succeed only after their careers were wasted.

I am not sure that DW4 would benefit under a new head coach and coaching staff but even the Goff example is enough to go on that says getting rid of BO'b might save his career. After watching BO'b all this time to me it is obvious that BO'b is part of the problem and may be the biggest part of it.
 
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Mr teX

Hall of Fame
Looking at Mahomes and Jacksons' stats the defense is doing a pretty good job of holding these guys in check. The problem is for the type of defense Weaver/Crennel wanna play (semi bend but don't break) the defense just isn't putting the opponent in enough 3rd & long, obvious pass rush situations & the offense for its part isn't doing enough to put the pressure on the opposition to have to drop back & pass more to catch up.

While these are all very correctable things, At this point, I'm skeptical of whether or not BoB will allow Kelly to abandon this ball control offense he's intent on running in favor of something a little more pass heavy. Teams have long figured out that BoB will stay with the run far too long & will only resort to the pass game as a last resort to catch up............

You wanna take the pressure off the run game? Get more aggressive & pass it more to set it up.
 

otisbean

Veteran
Contributor's Club
Tannehll has always been an above avg QB. He just is playing with a more talented team and has finally been able to stay healthy. I remember when posters used to laugh at me when I said Tannehill was better than DW4. I dont here from those guys as much these days.
Agreed he’s always had talent but he’s taken a significant step forward. Talent and system help. Our system sucks and it appears are our talent is regressing under BOB. It’s sad. OB is turning our Texans into a factory of sadness
 

steelbtexan

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Agreed he’s always had talent but he’s taken a significant step forward. Talent and system help. Our system sucks and it appears are our talent is regressing under BOB. It’s sad. OB is turning our Texans into a factory of sadness
Slowly but surely

This is what an offense looks like when the QB is incapable of running the offense the HC wants. It's going to be a long 4 yrs.
 
Drew Brees... or is that not recent enough?
Drew played at a high level already while with the Chargers. It was a serious set of injuries that scared the Chargers from retaining him and he was thus let go and signed by the Saints. So his story was not one of finding success under better coaching as it was him being a remarkable healer and resurrecting a career a lot of people thought the injuries would end.
 
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Slowly but surely

This is what an offense looks like when the QB is incapable of running the offense the HC wants. It's going to be a long 4 yrs.
Either that or it is what an offense looks like with a head coach unwilling or unable to run an offense that fits his franchise QB's skill set. While it may take some time for a new head coach and his staff to turn things toward the better it won't seem as long as it will should BO'b not get the axe like he should.
 
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badboy

Hall of Fame
Looking at Mahomes and Jacksons' stats the defense is doing a pretty good job of holding these guys in check. The problem is for the type of defense Weaver/Crennel wanna play (semi bend but don't break) the defense just isn't putting the opponent in enough 3rd & long, obvious pass rush situations & the offense for its part isn't doing enough to put the pressure on the opposition to have to drop back & pass more to catch up.

While these are all very correctable things, At this point, I'm skeptical of whether or not BoB will allow Kelly to abandon this ball control offense he's intent on running in favor of something a little more pass heavy. Teams have long figured out that BoB will stay with the run far too long & will only resort to the pass game as a last resort to catch up............

You wanna take the pressure off the run game? Get more aggressive & pass it more to set it up.
just my two pennies but if OBrien is gonna stick with a run heavy game plan, we do not need a passing QB but some powerful RBs similar to Adrian Peters and EZ Elliott. Macaroon can do that. Of course, coach could no longer point to Patriots as his model.
 

steelbtexan

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Either that or it is what an offense looks like with a head coach unwilling or unable to run an offense that fits his franchise QB's skill set. While it may take some time for a new head coach and his staff to turn things toward the better it won't seem as long as it will should BO'b not get the axe like he should any time soon.
4 yrs and he hasn't gotten any better. I dont expect him to get better if you're talking about SB winning QB play. Hasn't happened/wont happen regardless of who the HC is. Just like with Carr. I wish Cal would go ahead fire BOB so that y'all could see the light. Nah, some on here will never see the light. (Not referring to you)
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
just my two pennies but if OBrien is gonna stick with a run heavy game plan, we do not need a passing QB but some powerful RBs similar to Adrian Peters and EZ Elliott. Macaroon can do that. Of course, coach could no longer point to Patriots as his model.
"run-heavy" implies that he wants to run the majority of the time & I don't think that's the case. I think he wants balance in both the run and the pass but for whatever reason it seems that he can't get past NOT establishing the run 1st b/c you know, the old school thought is you run to set up the pass. It seems he sticks with trying to establish the run way too long in games & it backfires on us b/c by the time we start passing it, we're behind by multiple scores and its too late...That puts DW4 in the position of trying to press by throwing deep when its not there &/or trying to play hero ball. Teams know this & they get to pin their ears back and get after DW4. All i'm saying is maybe he needs to flip that on its head...establish the pass 1st..stick with it, THEN set up the run.
 

amazing80

Fire Billy O
Much of their issues come against the blitz ... and no one wants to discuss who's responsible for that.
No one knows who is responsible for that. Martin is a terrible C and has responsibilities calling our protections. Devlin is a terrible OL coach. Watson can hold the ball too long. Where does the blame stop?
 
I don't expect him to get better if you're talking about SB winning QB play.
If Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson can QB Super Bowl winning teams than anything is possible. Not only that but the Washington Football Team, "formerly the Redskins," won Super Bowls under three different QB's. Joe Theismann is the only one of the three who seemed to have the goods to win more than one title before he suffered a career ending injury. The other two, Doug Williams and Mark Rypien, seemed to catch lightning in a bottle for a season but their careers never matched their title runs. However if great QB's like Dan Marino and Dan Fouts can go a whole career without winning a title, "while having top notch head coaches most of their careers," than there is no real common denominator.

For me though, it still comes down to talent and coaches who know how to utilize that talent. I am not saying we have the best talent but the team as it is constructed is in BO'bs making so whatever you think of this team is on him. With him retaining the GM role he can not hide behind someone else doing that job.

There is no reason our team could not play better and give the Chiefs and Ravens and other top teams a scare. The Chargers don't seem to have a team any more talented than ours but still they gave the Chiefs all they could handle and then some. That boils down to having a quality coaching staff from the head coach down.

I don't know about you but I don't think that Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson were better than DW4. I am not so sure Doug Williams or Mark Rypien were as gifted as DW4. Still, for a time they were good enough to win a title. If we had better coaching we could at least play anybody without getting horse whipped and there are plenty of lesser teams we could beat.

Take the Steelers who we are supposed to play next week. There is no reason we can't beat them. If not beat them then for sure can play very tough. I have predicted we have a long losing season but that falls on BO'b if that happens.
 
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Corrosion

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No one knows who is responsible for that. Martin is a terrible C and has responsibilities calling our protections. Devlin is a terrible OL coach. Watson can hold the ball too long. Where does the blame stop?
Yes, we do know who's responsible for that.
Martin may make the initial protection call .... but that's the end of that , he's looking at his cornholio until the snap while the other guy is identifying potential rushers and moving RB's & TE's into position to deal with those.


That guy has to know when there are more coming than he has blocking the ball has to come out quickly ...

The Raven's blitzed on 52% this week .... The Steelers are the highest blitz percentage team in the league at ~58%. Expect more of the same ....
 

steelbtexan

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Did you think Nick Foles, Eli, or Flacco were championship level qbs? Just asking since you can spot them so quick and early
I did think Eli was and the yr Flacco's Ravens won the SB I thought he was playing well enough to win a SB. When he won in Denver I was on board. Foles surprised me, I didn't think he had it in him to stand up toe to toe with Brady in a SB.
 

PHILLYTEXANFAN

Saddle Up Partner
No one knows who is responsible for that. Martin is a terrible C and has responsibilities calling our protections. Devlin is a terrible OL coach. Watson can hold the ball too long. Where does the blame stop?
Ill go on a whim and say, upgrade the OL coach, the OL will instantly improve leaps and bounds. The talent is there to be a Top 5 unit imo. Martin looks bad bc Dumb Dumb Devlin is his instructor.
 

PHILLYTEXANFAN

Saddle Up Partner
Would it not be up to the offensive line coach to make sure the fundamentals are being taught?
That would probably depend on how much of a micro manager OB is. He could be hands off and say “as you may..”. Im just guessing here, but maybe Devlin is one of those coaches that scheme supersedes the talent . Everyone knew Scharping and Howard were both considered raw coming out. How much time was spent getting them up to par, as to trial by fire?
 

CloakNNNdagger

Hall of Fame
There tends to be a false narative that continues to be propagated............that on 1st downs, the Texans usually call a run play. In past O'Brien years, the truth is that on 1st downs, the run and pass has been called essentially equally. In 2020, I'm sure that it will come as a big surprise to most that the Texans lead the NFL in pass plays called on 1st downs.
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
There tends to be a false narative that continues to be propagated............that on 1st downs, the Texans usually call a run play. In past O'Brien years, the truth is that on 1st downs, the run and pass has been called essentially equally. In 2020, I'm sure that it will come as a big surprise to most that the Texans lead the NFL in pass plays called on 1st downs.
No surprise at all.
It stemmed from the fact that in 2018, the Texans had the 5th most rushing attempts in the league.
When you run the ball that much, it tends to be on first down also, and it was.
Not only that, the Texans did run a heck of a lot on first down that year: 285 to 162
(The link to the Game Play Finder on ProFootball Reference is too long so I just post the numbers).

Last year, they ran the ball less than in 2018, ranking 12th most in the league.
You'd expect the number of runs on first down would be less, and it was, but still much more than the pass.
259:181

This year, because the Texans were behind early in the first two games, they haven't been running the ball much at all. (next to fewest in the league at 31st most).
Therefore, it's not surprising at all that they have more pass attempts on first down.
32:17
(40 passing plays if you count the 8 sacks).

Overall, this year, they had 68 passing attempts (plus the 8 sacks) and just 39 rushing attempts.
 

ShinobiMusashi

Waterboy
If Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson can QB Super Bowl winning teams than anything is possible. Not only that but the Washington Football Team, "formerly the Redskins," won Super Bowls under three different QB's. Joe Theismann is the only one of the three who seemed to have the goods to win more than one title before he suffered a career ending injury. The other two, Doug Williams and Mark Rypien, seemed to catch lightning in a bottle for a season but their careers never matched their title runs. However if great QB's like Dan Marino and Dan Fouts can go a whole career without winning a title, "while having top notch head coaches most of their careers," than there is no real common denominator.

For me though, it still comes down to talent and coaches who know how to utilize that talent. I am not saying we have the best talent but the team as it is constructed is in BO'bs making so whatever you think of this team is on him. With him retaining the GM role he can not hide behind someone else doing that job.

There is no reason our team could not play better and give the Chiefs and Ravens and other top teams a scare. The Chargers don't seem to have a team any more talented than ours but still they gave the Chiefs all they could handle and then some. That boils down to having a quality coaching staff from the head coach down.

I don't know about you but I don't think that Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson were better than DW4. I am not so sure Doug Williams or Mark Rypien were as gifted as DW4. Still, for a time they were good enough to win a title. If we had better coaching we could at least play anybody without getting horse whipped and there are plenty of lesser teams we could beat.

Take the Steelers who we are supposed to play next week. There is no reason we can't beat them. If not beat them then for sure can play very tough. I have predicted we have a long losing season but that falls on BO'b if that happens.
Rypien is interesting because he was basically a proto Brock Oswieler that got coached up by some of the best in the business and surrounded by greatness at almost every position around him, 3 great receivers, an elite offensive line, and solid ground game and one of the most underrated defenses of all time on the other side of the ball(that D was the real catalyst for their 91 Super Bowl run).

He held out for more money in 92 and missed most of training camp, alienated his team mates and coaches with ego from winning Super Bowl MVP the year before. It’s really remarkable how absolutely dreadful he was that 92 season. He was really bad and held back a team that had the talent to get back to another Super Bowl(especially the defense), even with him playing like Brock Osweiler that year they still managed to make it to second round of the playoffs. He was so bad that Gibbs would call a lot of HB option pass plays late in the year when they desperately needed a score, it became like a running joke that the running back Ernest Byner was a better passer than Rypien was.
 


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