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TEXANS ATTEMPTING A REBOUND AGAINST THE RAVENS IN WEEK 2

@steelbtexan
Here's another way to run the bootleg.
I just happen to run across it from the Bengals / Browns game, starting the second half

3 15:00 1 10 CLE 25 Baker Mayfield pass complete short left to FB Andy Janovich for no gain (tackle by William Jackson)
NA (not applicable) as regard to Reader.
Notes: Another way to run the bootleg; this time from the I formation.
The Browns had the TE on a block on the back side; they also ran the FB toward the same side as the bootleg after the play fake to RB from the I formation.
This kept the pressure away from Mayfield.
Mayfield had time to go to the open TE coming from the other side on a deeper route, in the same line of sight, but he took the quick throw to the FB.
The RCB reacted well to that and limited the FB to practically no gain, but yeah, the QB had time and room to throw the ball.

I had noticed the Browns running several bootlegs, but wasn't paying attention to the detail as I was concentrating on Reader.
I'm quite sure I can find the different ways they run that play if I continue with the detail study.
(But I think I'm coming back to the Texas game now.)
 
steelbtexan said:
Saying he should be fired is whining? Then the entire Fire Bill O'Brien thread is a big whine fest.

Shouldn't you be watching film
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I was only citing an example of your continuous using Devlin as a scape goat. :brando:

And yes, I've been watching film for the last two hours on and off.
 
76Texan said:
I was only citing an example of your continuous using Devlin as a scape goat. :brando:

And yes, I've been watching film for the last two hours on and off.
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I'm not scapegoating anybody. These were his handpicked guys and they're underperforming. Baiting me isn't going to work. I have to put you on ignore before I get banned from this site. I will check in on some of your game breakdowns. I find them humorous.
 
banned1976 said:
I had to look that up. That team finished 2-14. They lost their first 3 games, beat the Bengals in week four and didn't win another game until the final weekend (Note: the Jets must have sucked back then too because that's the team they beat). Billy Joe Tolliver started 7 games. Bucky Richardson started 4, and Cody Carlson 5. Most of the talent was on the defense.
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Did Carlson start 5? I thought he was IR after the first or second game?

That was the first year after they traded Moon away I’ll never forget seeing that first game against the Colts wondering where Moon was(I ended up rooting for the Moon Vikings similar to how I find myself rooting for the Hopkins Cardinals). That team lost its heart with losing Moon same as this Texans team without Hopkins, injuries are going to mount up and this will be a 2-3 win season.

That Colts season opener was also Marshall Faulk’s first game I remember he had some great runs.
 
steelbtexan said:
Not going to happen DW4's not going to change. Take yesterday for example, he played very well for most of the game but was late with a throw and a game changing INT happened. He also was leading a comeback and had a receiver open inside the 10 yd line, he threw a terrible pass and that pretty much sealed the Texans fate. I know QB's miss throws from time to time but these are game changing plays that have to be made if the Texans are going to win games.

I think BOB should use DW4 differently too and have said if you want DW4 to be truly successful the Texans need to run the Ravens scheme. Injury risks be damned. But even if they ran the Ravens scheme the throws I listed that DW4 missed still have to be made if you're going to have a winning team.
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I did not watch the game but I get your point about DW4 making better throws. There is plenty of blame to go around but to me the lions share of the blame is on BO'b.
 
banned1976 said:
They've been dominated on both lines of scrimmage. Which is very disheartening because they have so much money and draft picks on that offensive line in just the tackles. Howard was a first rounder. Tunsil cost two first round picks...plus the cap space he's eating up.

The DL and OL look soft.
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Is it possible that the O-line is talented enough but they aren't coached very well?
 
dream_team said:
Alot of people are making this argument for the WHOLE team.

But yes, we invested way too much in this OL for them to be this bad.
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Well I think the whole team should have played better up to this point. I am unsure of the talent but after all these years under BO'b I have seen enough to find that the biggest obstacle to this teams winning games against the better teams in the league boils down to coaching.
 
It wasn't shown on the TV feed, the reason that Blacklock was ejected is that he
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76Texan said:
I was only citing an example of your continuous using Devlin as a scape goat. :brando:

And yes, I've been watching film for the last two hours on and off.
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how is Devlin a scapegoat if he is the offensive line coach? O'Brien does appear to be part of the problem but should not Devlin bear the majority of that blame for the unit he's assigned to?
 
amazing80 said:
Watson has always been like that. That is one thing I don’t like about him. He doesn’t display much emotion. I like it because he is composed, but I want to see more fire
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OptimisticTexan said:
.....the FO, coaching staff and team around him are of Championship quality and somehow Watson is dragging the success of this organization down? Is this your stance?

The Texans need to sever ties with OB. Let a new GM and HC assess the team and make the needed changes.
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The scary thing is that when a new HC does come in he’s going to be attempting a reclamation project on Watson. And will be attempting that saddled with nearly $40 million per year against the cap.
 
steelbtexan said:
When I said this 76
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badboy said:
how is Devlin a scapegoat if he is the offensive line coach? O'Brien does appear to be part of the problem but should not Devlin bear the majority of that blame for the unit he's assigned to?
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One year, yes.
Two years, oh oh.
Three years... and on and on.
It's on the HC who decides to keep the guy around forevermore.
That's really simple, I'm surprised you even have to talk about it.
Devlin is probably O'Brien's buddy; one that he will offer as a scape goat when he runs out of things to sacrifice. :corrosion:
 
TxnsJuggernaut1 said:
Well I think the whole team should have played better up to this point. I am unsure of the talent but after all these years under BO'b I have seen enough to find that the biggest obstacle to this teams winning games against the better teams in the league boils down to coaching.
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And QB play.
 
welsh texan said:
The scary thing is that when a new HC does come in he’s going to be attempting a reclamation project on Watson. And will be attempting that saddled with nearly $40 million per year against the cap.
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Ding Ding Ding.,...

We have a winner

It's going to be a long 4 yrs regardless of who the HC is.
 
ShinobiMusashi said:
Did Carlson start 5? I thought he was IR after the first or second game?

That was the first year after they traded Moon away I’ll never forget seeing that first game against the Colts wondering where Moon was(I ended up rooting for the Moon Vikings similar to how I find myself rooting for the Hopkins Cardinals). That team lost its heart with losing Moon same as this Texans team without Hopkins, injuries are going to mount up and this will be a 2-3 win season.

That Colts season opener was also Marshall Faulk’s first game I remember he had some great runs.
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Moon was the ❤️ of those teams. That explains why they have the biggest choke in the playoffs in NFL history on his resume.
 
welsh texan said:
The scary thing is that when a new HC does come in he’s going to be attempting a reclamation project on Watson. And will be attempting that saddled with nearly $40 million per year against the cap.
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Deshaun Watson

Deshaun Watson contract and salary cap details, full contract breakdowns, salaries, signing bonus, roster bonus, dead money, and valuations.
www.spotrac.com

Its not so terrible assuming they can trade him eventually and because of his marketability , I believe there would be a team out there willing to give up "something" for him.

Its nearly impossible to do so this year or next as the dead money is just too great - Then there's the no trade clause to contend with.

Cap hit / savings if Traded.

2020 Dead Cap: $29,053,961 2020 Cap Savings: $-19,245,754
2021 Dead Cap: $21,600,000 2021 Cap Savings: $-5,660,000

Cap hit if CUT - Two years of BIG cap hits.

2020 Dead Cap: $54,171,084 2021 Dead Cap: $21,600,000 2020 Cap Savings: $-44,362,877
2021 Dead Cap: $50,940,000 2022 Dead Cap: $16,200,000 2021 Cap Savings: $-35,000,000


After the 2021 season its a lot easier to move on from him via trade (still really hard to cut him until the 2023 season when its a mere $10.8m cap hit.

Trade in 2022 or 23

2022 Dead Cap: $16,200,000 2022 Cap Savings: $24,200,000
2023 Dead Cap: $10,800,000 2023 Cap Savings: $31,600,000

The real issue is the no trade clause they gave him - It really limits when they can make a move to because he knows they can't just cut him and eat a 50m+ cap hit prior to 2023.

2022 Dead Cap: $51,200,000 2022 Cap Savings: $-10,800,000
2023 Dead Cap: $10,800,000 2023 Cap Savings: $31,600,000

2023 and beyond the hit is one a rebuilding team could absorb without much trouble , they could just tell him to waive the NTC or they are going to cut him. He's not walking away from $118m at that point.

He's here thru 2022 no matter which way you slice it.
 
amazing80 said:
Watson deserves the opportunity to play for another coach. That’s a 2-3 year process after OB is gone.
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He should get the same shot Carr got under Kubiak. If the new HC says he's not the guy to get the job done then it will be time to move on. If DW4's playing like he is now in 4 yrs after his contract runs out then it's time to move on after what yr 7 or 8 or 9.
 
Many Qb failures can be traced to poor coaches and coaching that does not adjust to the talents of their Qb's. I would hate to see BO'b waste the talent that we have in DW4.

What would have happened to Jared Goffs career if the Rams brass had not fired Jeff Fisher and put him under the tutelage of Sean McVay?

With that said I am with steelbtexan up to a point. There are things that DW4 should naturally be able to do that has nothing to do with coaching, but with proper coaching his natural God given abilities would override his weaknesses.
 
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steelbtexan said:
He should get the same shot Carr got under Kubiak. If the new HC says he's not the guy to get the job done then it will be time to move on. If DW4's playing like he is now in 4 yrs after his contract runs out then it's time to move on after what yr 7 or 8 or 9.
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There is no doubt that if DW4 can not excel under different coaching that tries to utilize his skill set than we for sure should move on. Unfortunately we are tied to him for another four years for sure. It does not matter though because if after two years under a different coach and coaches he is not catching on, than he should at least be relegated to the bench no matter what his contract is.

I do not think it would ever come to that. I trust that DW4 is a special talent and can excel under the right leadership.
 
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TxnsJuggernaut1 said:
There is no doubt that if DW4 can not excel under different coaching that tries to utilize his skill set than we for sure should move on. Unfortunately we are tied to him for another four years for sure. It does not matter though because if after two years under a different coach and coaches he is not catching on, than he should at least be relegated to the bench no matter what his contract is.

I do not think it would ever come to that. I trust that DW4 is a special talent and can excel under the right leadership.
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Hope your right

So far it hasn't looked promising. Honest question, maybe you/ Mr Tex/Corrosion can answer,

Can a QB be taught not to lock onto his 1st read when that's what he's done his entire life?
 
austins23 said:
I wonder if OB and the staff watches other games? Because both the Saints and Raiders have awesomely designed plays to get folks open.
The FULLBACK was wide open for the TD because of play design. So sad watching OBs crap ass offense
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Hey! Our fullback made a tackle on special teams
 
steelbtexan said:
Hope your right

So far it hasn't looked promising. Honest question, maybe you/ Mr Tex/Corrosion can answer,

Can a QB be taught not to lock onto his 1st read when that's what he's done his entire life?
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To be fair. Isn't that the knock on every QB coming out of college right now? Especially the spread QBs? I've never understood the criticism of going to the 1st read. If your pre and post snap reads tells you that one option is the best option, isn't that automatically the 1st read? Hell, how many QBs have a HOF TE or WR and they are going to them as the 2nd or 3rd read?

Also, how many reads are QBs going through within 2-3 seconds? Isn't it more about the pre and post snap reads? For example, on the INT. Watson was correct on the pre-snap read. He recognize man coverage. He knew Cooks was going to be open. He knew Peters was supposed to be in the flats. Unfortunately, he totally failed on the post snap read because after the snap, he followed the WR and not the unexpected change in coverage. Peters recognize the route and didn't stay with Cobb but because Watson was reading the WR and not the coverage post snap, that led to the INT.
 
steelbtexan said:
Hope your right

So far it hasn't looked promising. Honest question, maybe you/ Mr Tex/Corrosion can answer,

Can a QB be taught not to lock onto his 1st read when that's what he's done his entire life?
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Steel, I've got to ask. Haven't you and many others complained that Watson holds on to the ball too long? Are you now saying he is locked on to the same guy that whole time?
 
Earl34 said:
To be fair. Isn't that the knock on every QB coming out of college right now? Especially the spread QBs? I've never understood the criticism of going to the 1st read. If your pre and post snap reads tells you that one option is the best option, isn't that automatically the 1st read? Hell, how many QBs have a HOF TE or WR and they are going to them as the 2nd or 3rd read?

Also, how many reads are QBs going through within 2-3 seconds? Isn't it more about the pre and post snap reads? For example, on the INT. Watson was correct on the pre-snap read. He recognize man coverage. He knew Cooks was going to be open. He knew Peters was supposed to be in the flats. Unfortunately, he totally failed on the post snap read because after the snap, he followed the WR and not the unexpected change in coverage. Peters recognize the route and didn't stay with Cobb but because Watson was reading the WR and not the coverage post snap, that led to the INT.
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Yep this is what happened on that int.

Can you teach the QB to not lock onto the primary WR? The great ones dont lock onto their primary WR's. Brady/Montana/Elway/Manning etc....
 
I happen to think Watson is playing well, considering.

I don’t understand many of the decisions he’s making, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they’re bad decisions.

But he’s got full command of the offense, that’s clear to me watching. I don’t mean that he’s doing it well, but he’s calling all the shots.

I didn’t see BO’b looking at a Denny’s menu at all yesterday. I may have missed it, but if he’s completely out of calling plays, things about to get a whole lot better for Houston Texans fans
 
TxnsJuggernaut1 said:
Many Qb failures can be traced to poor coaches and coaching that does not adjust to the talents of their Qb's. I would hate to see BO'b waste the talent that we have in DW4.

What would have happened to Jared Goffs career if the Rams brass had not fired Jeff Fisher and put him under the tutelage of Sean McVay?

With that said I am with steelbtexan up to a point. There are things that DW4 should naturally be able to do that has nothing to do with coaching, but with proper coaching his natural God given abilities would override his weaknesses.
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Aside from Goff .... name another QB who got better under a new coach.

I can't think of any recent ones.
 
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