Super Mario not so super so far

[Playoffs]

Interior DLs can get by with a clubbed hand/wrist, but edge rushers use their hands to toss guys aside. There's a lot of grabbing on both sides of the ball.

It's just a bit odd that this wasn't addressed sooner. You's think they would've tried a wrist stabilizing cast of some sort.

 

[TheIronDuke]

Interior DLs can get by with a clubbed hand/wrist, but edge rushers use their hands to toss guys aside. There's a lot of grabbing on both sides of the ball.

It's just a bit odd that this wasn't addressed sooner. You's think they would've tried a wrist stabilizing cast of some sort.

Von Miller's played in a cast for awhile though so it can be done. I just think the timing is very suspicious.

 

[Texan_Bill]

You don't think it's a little fishy he's getting some wrist surgery right before his big judgement day game? From what I'm gathering on the Bills board, he didn't complain at all about his wrist when he got 2 sacks against the Cardinals, it only pops up after a terrible non-impactful performance. Which he's had most of his time in Buffalo.

No I don't think it's fishy. I think it's Marion's MO. I mean, when has not been playing through a "built-in excuse" errrrrrrrrrrrrrr nagging injury??

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Interior DLs can get by with a clubbed hand/wrist, but edge rushers use their hands to toss guys aside. There's a lot of grabbing on both sides of the ball.

It's just a bit odd that this wasn't addressed sooner. You's think they would've tried a wrist stabilizing cast of some sort.

Williams has been wearing a wrist cast which allows him prehensile abilities.......that is, the ability to grab and hold. If he has surgery, it is most likely going to be arthroscopic. Although the protective period for wrist tendon surgery is ~4-6 weeks, he will probably be able to return to play with a protective cast within ~1-2 weeks or so depending on what was performed. Wrist tendon surgery in itself creates a very minimal period of pain, maybe 24-48 hours at best, which is easily controlled with typical pain medication. He will likely play with at least a protective splint if not a cast during games for the rest of the season.

BTW, Mario is scheduled to see a wrist specialist today.

 

[houstonspartan]

Rick Smith did not want him back... not at that price. Your post is unfair to what actually happened. What somebody says in front of a camera ("we want Mario back") and what actually happens behind closed doors is two seperate things. He said all the P.R. things in front of a camera, but never backed up a brinks truck. If this was someone like Watt, Rick Smith would've moved heaven and earth and Duane Brown or Matt Schaub would've been franchised and the other probably would've been a FA. Yes Smith would've taken him back.. at the right price. When his street value went through the roof (same thing happened with Nnambi) Smith cut bait and I thank him for that.

Being a good G.M. is like being a good card player.. you have to maximize your returns and know when to hold'em and when to fold'em. Rick Smith laid down his cards and folded on Mario Williams, so yes.. he does get credit for not signing one of the worst deals in NFL history.

Good point. I agree.

If you guys REALLY want to see a sure sign of "We want you back," wait until JJ Watt's contract is up in a few years. It'll be monumental.

As for Buffalo, all I can do is shake my head. What were they thinking? None of this is new regarding Mario.

Someone in Buffalo should be fired.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

From Buffalobills.com........Mario underwent surgery today......expected to play in game after Bye.

 

[thunderkyss]

For the record, I still side with the big guy. I don't think he insulted the Texans in any way by chosing to play in Buffalo. I do not think his stat line is indicative of his play or his ability. I never thought he "took plays off" or that he didn't give his all on every play.

If I were in Buffalo's F.O. I'd still be very confident in the acquisition, & would ask the Bills nation to be patient with Mario, the Bills, & Gailey.

I don't know what the issue is in Buffalo, but I never once thought Mario was the issue in Houston so I seriously doubt he is the issue in Buffalo.

They've got too much talent on that defensive line for it to be a pass rush problem. Just like us, when we had three 1st rounders on our line.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

For the record, I still side with the big guy. I don't think he insulted the Texans in any way by chosing to play in Buffalo. I do not think his stat line is indicative of his play or his ability. I never thought he "took plays off" or that he didn't give his all on every play.

If I were in Buffalo's F.O. I'd still be very confident in the acquisition, & would ask the Bills nation to be patient with Mario, the Bills, & Gailey.

I don't know what the issue is in Buffalo, but I never once thought Mario was the issue in Houston so I seriously doubt he is the issue in Buffalo.

They've got too much talent on that defensive line for it to be a pass rush problem. Just like us, when we had three 1st rounders on our line.

I used to post how Mario didn't need hands because his only move was to rush around the outside. He had/has no real other moves. It's been a long time since O's had to specifically account for him on plays. In fact, this season tackles haven't needed any support defending his rush. While he was here as a Texan, the excuse is that you couldn't blame him for being picked 1st for $50 million dollars and always being injured. Now most of us are quite content that we are not the ones having to say it's not his fault that he was given $100 million and is always being injured.

 

[GP]

For the record, I still side with the big guy. I don't think he insulted the Texans in any way by chosing to play in Buffalo. I do not think his stat line is indicative of his play or his ability. I never thought he "took plays off" or that he didn't give his all on every play.

If I were in Buffalo's F.O. I'd still be very confident in the acquisition, & would ask the Bills nation to be patient with Mario, the Bills, & Gailey.

I don't know what the issue is in Buffalo, but I never once thought Mario was the issue in Houston so I seriously doubt he is the issue in Buffalo.

They've got too much talent on that defensive line for it to be a pass rush problem. Just like us, when we had three 1st rounders on our line.

Eternal optimist.

It's not that he chose to play elsewhere, and you know that. Please admit that he ripped on us in many ways. Hell, even a well-wisher tweeted to him "good luck" and all Mario could do was act like a baby and bash on the Texans...never even THANKING the guy for his good wishes.

Mario telling people to be careful because they might get what they asked for.

Now he says he doesn't care about anybody's expectations.

Go ahead and pull for him, but honestly he's done this to himself. Period.

Personally, I think the game is too big for him. The expectations, as he states, are too big. Being the number 1 pick...too big. Too much pressure for him. By virtue of being thrust into the now legendary MW-VY-RB drama, he had nowhere to go but down, and I think he regrets it all. The Mario I see is one who is tired of expectations. Of being asked to be the star.

He's a relatively quiet guy, a bit of a recluse, never was a guy who really wanted the spotlight. But he cashed those checks all the same as if he WERE. That, IMO, is where he got into trouble. And now the guilt and the self-loathing is creeping to the surface. Hence the whole "I don't care about anybody's expectations." First time he's been honest in a long time about this issue.

 

[Dutchrudder]

Come to think of it, since Watt was a TE at one time, I'd like to see us go with a Jumbo TE package that includes JJ Watt.

Can you imagine the look on the faces of the defensive players if that happened???

Honestly, I would love to see JJ used inside the red zone as a second TE. He has long arms, a high vertical and can actually catch. Put him the back of the end zone and let Schaub float one up high for him to grab.

The Patriots used to use one of their linebackers, Mike Vrabel, as a TE near the goalline. He caught a few TDs in his career.

 

[Dutchrudder]

Von Miller's played in a cast for awhile though so it can be done. I just think the timing is very suspicious.

I don't think it's suspicious at all. The Bills have a bye week, and he didn't want to miss a game. So he waited for the bye week to give ample time to heal, and now he'll be ready to "play" against the Texans. Makes sense to me.

 

[GP]

Honestly, I would love to see JJ used inside the red zone as a second TE. He has long arms, a high vertical and can actually catch. Put him the back of the end zone and let Schaub float one up high for him to grab.

The Patriots used to use one of their linebackers, Mike Vrabel, as a TE near the goalline. He caught a few TDs in his career.

Yep.

I even go back earlier than that, to when The Fridge was used as a goal line RB in the Super Bowl game of Bears vs. Patriots IIRC.

You take a big, athletic guy off of defense and you plug him into a goal line situation...do you cover him? Do you treat him like a mere decoy/distraction?

It could cause hysteria at the LOS for that opposing defense if a monster off defense is now lined up on offense. And then for him to actually SCORE?!?!?! Look out!

 

[TheIronDuke]

I don't think it's suspicious at all. The Bills have a bye week, and he didn't want to miss a game. So he waited for the bye week to give ample time to heal, and now he'll be ready to "play" against the Texans. Makes sense to me.

Initially it sounded like he was going to miss the game which was why I thought it was suspicious timing. I'm glad he's going to be out there, just hope he doesn't use this as an excuse when he does nothing.

 

[Dutchrudder]

Yep.

I even go back earlier than that, to when The Fridge was used as a goal line RB in the Super Bowl game of Bears vs. Patriots IIRC.

You take a big, athletic guy off of defense and you plug him into a goal line situation...do you cover him? Do you treat him like a mere decoy/distraction?

It could cause hysteria at the LOS for that opposing defense if a monster off defense is now lined up on offense. And then for him to actually SCORE?!?!?! Look out!

It would certainly help his candidacy for MVP of the league. Kubiak is an offensive genius, so he should be able to figure out something. Make it happen Kubes!

Initially it sounded like he was going to miss the game which was why I thought it was suspicious timing. I'm glad he's going to be out there, just hope he doesn't use this as an excuse when he does nothing.

Yeah, I hope he does use it as an excuse for getting no QB pressure. I'm sure he will rack up some tackles because our run-game isn't all that great, and we will be using Forsett a lot in the 3rd/4th quarter to run out the clock. Maybe that will make him feel better.

 

[gtexan02]

Mario has always underachieved when he's asked to think too much or when he has a lot of pressure on him. The only time Mario was really successful for us was when he was in a react/instinct role and had already "proven" to be the better draft pick than Reggie Bush.

Mario is a people pleaser whether he admits it or not. He hears the knocks on him and wants to prove people wrong. He's admitted that he's hesitating. He's hesitating because he's pushing so hard for sacks. He's also crappy against the run because he's pushing for sacks. You saw the same thing in Houston. When he was trying to prove himself, he would push for sacks. All anyone had to do was throw a screen at him and he was done.

You hesitate for 1 second in this league and you're done. There is no time for hesitation.

 

[houstonspartan]

Eternal optimist.

It's not that he chose to play elsewhere, and you know that. Please admit that he ripped on us in many ways. Hell, even a well-wisher tweeted to him "good luck" and all Mario could do was act like a baby and bash on the Texans...never even THANKING the guy for his good wishes.

Mario telling people to be careful because they might get what they asked for.

Now he says he doesn't care about anybody's expectations.

Go ahead and pull for him, but honestly he's done this to himself. Period.

Personally, I think the game is too big for him. The expectations, as he states, are too big. Being the number 1 pick...too big. Too much pressure for him. By virtue of being thrust into the now legendary MW-VY-RB drama, he had nowhere to go but down, and I think he regrets it all. The Mario I see is one who is tired of expectations. Of being asked to be the star.

He's a relatively quiet guy, a bit of a recluse, never was a guy who really wanted the spotlight. But he cashed those checks all the same as if he WERE. That, IMO, is where he got into trouble. And now the guilt and the self-loathing is creeping to the surface. Hence the whole "I don't care about anybody's expectations." First time he's been honest in a long time about this issue.

Very insightful. And I agree. And, I'd like to expand on that a bit.

I've always had a theory about Mario. I think he was one of those kids who was big, and showed some athletic talent. As a result, everyone told him, "You should play sports! You should play football!" (I've seen that scenario happen before). As a result of that, he just kind of "gave in" and decided to start playing sports, even though he wasn't really passionate about it. I think he kept going, all through college, and would have an occasional good play here and there, and got him attention. Given his sheer physical size, he can't be ignored, so, when he DID have the rare great play, it was over-hyped.

Mario doesn't have the heart for football. He just "fell into it." That's my theory. I have absolutely no proof, of course; that's just my two cent estimation based on his demeanor and his play. The guy is locked into a career that he doesn't like. Granted, he is paid very well, but, still. He's not into football. It shows.

 

[stingray]

Very insightful. And I agree. And, I'd like to expand on that a bit.

I've always had a theory about Mario. I think he was one of those kids who was big, and showed some athletic talent. As a result, everyone told him, "You should play sports! You should play football!" (I've seen that scenario happen before). As a result of that, he just kind of "gave in" and decided to start playing sports, even though he wasn't really passionate about it. I think he kept going, all through college, and would have an occasional good play here and there, and got him attention. Given his sheer physical size, he can't be ignored, so, when he DID have the rare great play, it was over-hyped.

Mario doesn't have the heart for football. He just "fell into it." That's my theory. I have absolutely no proof, of course; that's just my two cent estimation based on his demeanor and his play. The guy is locked into a career that he doesn't like. Granted, he is paid very well, but, still. He's not into football. It shows.

This is exactly what I would say about Tracy McGrady. Million dollar talent, 2 cent drive.

 

[GP]

Mario has always underachieved when he's asked to think too much or when he has a lot of pressure on him. The only time Mario was really successful for us was when he was in a react/instinct role and had already "proven" to be the better draft pick than Reggie Bush.

Mario is a people pleaser whether he admits it or not. He hears the knocks on him and wants to prove people wrong. He's admitted that he's hesitating. He's hesitating because he's pushing so hard for sacks. He's also crappy against the run because he's pushing for sacks. You saw the same thing in Houston. When he was trying to prove himself, he would push for sacks. All anyone had to do was throw a screen at him and he was done.

You hesitate for 1 second in this league and you're done. There is no time for hesitation.

I agree 100% there.

JJ Watt is just playing the game. That's what makes Cushing so good, as well. They are out there just having a good time and reacting to the intricacies of the play, every play is different...each play has multiple reactionary points to it that call for the player to adapt-on-the-fly, no hesitation or you're toast.

Mario is beating himself out of the play all season long, over-thinking. Which, IMO, is what Connor Barwin was doing too...hesitating and over-thinking, and I feel he just got into a funk. Until last Sunday.

Wade might have helped scheme some things to free him up, such as moving Reed more inside (due to necessity). But still, you could genuinely see the light bulb go off in Barwin's head once he got that safety sack. From that point forward, he was batting down passes and wreaking sheer havoc out there. Barwin remembered how to PLAY THE GAME. It was an awesome moment to witness, too. I think many of us saw that this past Sunday. I know my smile was bigger that day, I was really glad that things went his way.

Mario, I don't know if he wants it enough. Maybe the biggest NFL contract in history was too much. The last straw. Whatever it is, he has to find a way to love doing what he does. Or else he'll be a wealthy man with a bit of regret that money can't buy off.

 

[Playoffs]

Why in the world does Rick Smith get thanked for that? Rick Smith wanted him back. Rick Smith doesn't deserve any credit for not resigning one of the worst deals in NFL history.

I don't know about that...

Mario Williams says Texans forced him into free agency

"I didn't want to enter free agency in the first place, but it was a one-way door given to me by the GM to leave Houston, " Williams told FOX 26 Sports. "I want the fans there to know entering free agency was not my decision."

Texans general manager Rick Smith declined comment for this story.
...
"The way things ended, I definitely feel like it was kind of a rough and all-of-the-sudden goodbye. There's some things that I'm definitely uneasy about, the final decision making that happened there. It was just the way it was handled.

 

[infantrycak]

I don't know about that...

For which the translation may be "the Texans offered me $40 mil and Buffalo offered $100 mil - I didn't have a choice."

 

[Mr teX]

I don't know about that...

Mario Williams says Texans forced him into free agency

This is misleading b/c i'm sure on some level what both these guys (Mario & Rick) said/saying is true. Smith probably told him "yeah we want you back, but we likely will not be able to afford what you may command on the market....hint, hint."

Of course Mario's agent was in his other ear saying " They always say that, it's just a negotiating tactic to give you less money. Why don't we test the market and see what houston comes back with....hint hint."

Of course, we know how those "tests" come out 9/10 times with high profile FA's. I have no doubt that mario may have wanted to stay here, I think his fiance is from here & he still owns a home here....but the temptation of 100 million is just too much for anyone to say no to.

 

[Playoffs]

Seeing now how dire our salary cap situation was/(is) -- that we had to let Winston & Brisiel go, and with Arian & Myers due and Duane Brown's contract and the cap ceiling holding for the next few years -- I can easily see where Smith would just let Mario walk. He wasn't part of "the core" group.

 

[Mr teX]

Seeing now how dire our salary cap situation was/(is) -- that we had to let Winston & Brisiel go, and with Arian & Myers due and Duane Brown's contract and the cap ceiling holding for the next few years -- I can easily see where Smith would just let Mario walk. He wasn't part of "the core" group.

Brown wasn't due up until after this year, so in theory they could've waited to sign him until after this season.

maybe letting go of those guys could've been an attempt by Smith to make room for mario....Mario just signed before smith had a looksee at the final numbers.

 

[GP]

Brown wasn't due up until after this year, so in theory they could've waited to sign him until after this season.

maybe letting go of those guys could've been an attempt by Smith to make room for mario....Mario just signed before smith had a looksee at the final numbers.

Nah, Mario was the former #1 pick who performed way better--overall--than the number 2 and number 3 pick (which was a great thing for Mario the free agent, btw). No way did Rick Smith ever have any sort of illusions as to whether Mario could come back or not. Too many teams with too much spare money existed.

For Mario to continue to paint himself a victim is just sad. I'm not even mad about it anymore. I genuinely feel sorry for him because of how he genuinely thinks he got shown the door.

The Texans drafted the best player out of the three choices the Texans had eyed for the top pick. That's not Mario's fault, and it damn sure isn't the fault of our team either. They paid him well, but paid him less than what VY or RB would have wanted. Win-Win, IMO: Mario gets to be the #1 overall AND gets money he would have had at position number 4. Flash forward to this past offseason and it all worked out well for Mario.

Lost in all of this is whether or not the Texans "wanted" him back. To me, that's water under the bridge and isn't the main focus of this at all. What is to be focused upon is DID the Texans have the money to win him back? Nope. Therefore, this is not even an issue in the grand schemes of things.

All Mario had to do is be real and say "Hey, I enjoyed my time in Houston. I worked hard when I was there. I will work hard in Buffalo. God has blessed me with the ability to play football, and I am now playing for the Bills."

But no. Hell no. He had to set himself up nicely with a convenient alibi....my former team stabbed me in the back, discarded me, never even tried to keep me. Makes for good TV drama. Makes good deflection and flares to ward off the missiles of criticism when the long knives come out for Mario when he doesn't produce in Buffalo. He's more worried about us than he is about him playing well in Buffalo. He could have painted a better picture of himself, of us, and of this game itself. But he chose to get offended and STILL chooses to be a child about being the richest freaking defensive player in history. If that doesn't turn fans sour, nothing will.

Jacoby should not have been boo's. Mario? If the mob wants to stick up a thumbs down into the air, let the mob have their way. Mario asked for it.

 

[Trail.Blazr]

Nah, Mario was the former #1 pick who performed way better--overall--than the number 2 and number 3 pick (which was a great thing for Mario the free agent, btw). No way did Rick Smith ever have any sort of illusions as to whether Mario could come back or not. Too many teams with too much spare money existed.

For Mario to continue to paint himself a victim is just sad. I'm not even mad about it anymore. I genuinely feel sorry for him because of how he genuinely thinks he got shown the door.

The Texans drafted the best player out of the three choices the Texans had eyed for the top pick. That's not Mario's fault, and it damn sure isn't the fault of our team either. They paid him well, but paid him less than what VY or RB would have wanted. Win-Win, IMO: Mario gets to be the #1 overall AND gets money he would have had at position number 4. Flash forward to this past offseason and it all worked out well for Mario.

Lost in all of this is whether or not the Texans "wanted" him back. To me, that's water under the bridge and isn't the main focus of this at all. What is to be focused upon is DID the Texans have the money to win him back? Nope. Therefore, this is not even an issue in the grand schemes of things.

All Mario had to do is be real and say "Hey, I enjoyed my time in Houston. I worked hard when I was there. I will work hard in Buffalo. God has blessed me with the ability to play football, and I am now playing for the Bills."

But no. Hell no. He had to set himself up nicely with a convenient alibi....my former team stabbed me in the back, discarded me, never even tried to keep me. Makes for good TV drama. Makes good deflection and flares to ward off the missiles of criticism when the long knives come out for Mario when he doesn't produce in Buffalo. He's more worried about us than he is about him playing well in Buffalo. He could have painted a better picture of himself, of us, and of this game itself. But he chose to get offended and STILL chooses to be a child about being the richest freaking defensive player in history. If that doesn't turn fans sour, nothing will.

Jacoby should not have been boo's. Mario? If the mob wants to stick up a thumbs down into the air, let the mob have their way. Mario asked for it.

Haha!... playing for the Bills

 

[Playoffs]

Haha!... playing for the Bills

Ha!, nice play on words.

 

[Mr teX]

Nah, Mario was the former #1 pick who performed way better--overall--than the number 2 and number 3 pick (which was a great thing for Mario the free agent, btw). No way did Rick Smith ever have any sort of illusions as to whether Mario could come back or not. Too many teams with too much spare money existed.

For Mario to continue to paint himself a victim is just sad. I'm not even mad about it anymore. I genuinely feel sorry for him because of how he genuinely thinks he got shown the door.

The Texans drafted the best player out of the three choices the Texans had eyed for the top pick. That's not Mario's fault, and it damn sure isn't the fault of our team either. They paid him well, but paid him less than what VY or RB would have wanted. Win-Win, IMO: Mario gets to be the #1 overall AND gets money he would have had at position number 4. Flash forward to this past offseason and it all worked out well for Mario.

Lost in all of this is whether or not the Texans "wanted" him back. To me, that's water under the bridge and isn't the main focus of this at all. What is to be focused upon is DID the Texans have the money to win him back? Nope. Therefore, this is not even an issue in the grand schemes of things.

All Mario had to do is be real and say "Hey, I enjoyed my time in Houston. I worked hard when I was there. I will work hard in Buffalo. God has blessed me with the ability to play football, and I am now playing for the Bills."
But no. Hell no. He had to set himself up nicely with a convenient alibi..


..my former team stabbed me in the back, discarded me, never even tried to keep me. Makes for good TV drama. Makes good deflection and flares to ward off the missiles of criticism when the long knives come out for Mario when he doesn't produce in Buffalo. He's more worried about us than he is about him playing well in Buffalo. He could have painted a better picture of himself, of us, and of this game itself. But he chose to get offended and STILL chooses to be a child about being the richest freaking defensive player in history. If that doesn't turn fans sour, nothing will.

Jacoby should not have been boo's. Mario? If the mob wants to stick up a thumbs down into the air, let the mob have their way. Mario asked for it.

Lol, you say you're not mad anymore....but then you type out this long post that's laden with nothing but feelings and obvious ill will toward the guy.........still.

How is whether or not the texans wanted him back not the main focus? Especially in context of what he said & when the majority of the idiots booing the guy in the stadium this sunday will be booing him b/c they feel like he sold us out to take more money. They damn sure couldn't boo the guy for anything else .........not without looking like hypocrites anyway.

Also, what does anything that happened here with him have to do with how Buffalo fans feel about him now?

You're also a fool if you don't think that Rick Smith & Bob didn't want him back. Sure, we were up against it, but if the price was right or at least reasonable, they surely would've been open to resigning him.

Don't be a fool & think that Ricky & co. don't play the media too...There's at least 1 other instance where this may or may not have occured. Upon Dunta leaving he alledges that Smith told him 1 thing but said/did another. All Mario's saying here is that "it's not all on me folks". Now surely, i'm not mad that Smith isn't afraid to go back on his word........as long as the teams best interests are at heart, but surely it's not out of the realm of possibility that publically Smith/Mcnair are saying they want him back & privately their actions are reflecting something else.

 

[Big Lou]

This is misleading b/c i'm sure on some level what both these guys (Mario & Rick) said/saying is true. Smith probably told him "yeah we want you back, but we likely will not be able to afford what you may command on the market....hint, hint."

Of course Mario's agent was in his other ear saying " They always say that, it's just a negotiating tactic to give you less money. Why don't we test the market and see what houston comes back with....hint hint."

Of course, we know how those "tests" come out 9/10 times with high profile FA's. I have no doubt that mario may have wanted to stay here, I think his fiance is from here & he still owns a home here....but the temptation of 100 million is just too much for anyone to say no to.

MW is pissing me off a little with his comments from that article.

Just because Rick Smith didn't want to give Mario $5 million per sack doesn't mean you he was forced in to Free Agency.....

I wish him the best but he shouldn't act like he took the Bills offer because he liked the city. It was all about money.

 

[ATRAIN]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/williams-blames-texans-allowing-him-205013142--nfl.html

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Buffalo Bills defensive end Mario Williams returns to Houston on Sunday to face the Texans butsays he never wanted to go elsewhere.

Williams, the No. 1 pick in the NFL draft by the Texans in 2006, accepted a six-year, $100 million contract offer from the Bills during the offseason when he became a free agent. The Texans refused to use a franchise tag that would have cost them $20 million for one season to keep him.

"I didn't want to enter free agency in the first place, but it was a one-way door given to me to leave Houston," Williams told KRIV-TV. "I want the fans there to know entering free agency was not my decision."

Williams hasn't performed up to expectations so far this season for the Bills (3-4). He has 3 1/2 sacks in seven games.

The Texans are 6-1 without Williams.

"I'm definitely excited about coming back to the place where it all began," said Williams, who has 56 1/2 career sacks. "The way things ended, I definitely feel like it was kind of a rough and all-of-the-sudden goodbye. There's some things that I'm definitely uneasy about, the final decision-making that happened there. It was just the way it was handled.".
..

 

[Big Lou]

I commented on this in another in another thread.

I would love to know what the Texans offer to MW was. Mario signed a huge deal in Buffalo, it appears he went strictly for money, it wasn't for the winning program they have there.

The Texans were never going to give him that kind of money nor should they. Hell he probably wasn't even worth the money the Texans offered him, if they did.

We have two guys with as many sacks as him, in positions that aren't really big time sack positions, and even with Smith's salary the two of them make dramatically less than him.

 

[paycheck71]

I commented on this in another in another thread.

I would love to know what the Texans offer to MW was. Mario signed a huge deal in Buffalo, it appears he went strictly for money, it wasn't for the winning program they have there.

The Texans were never going to give him that kind of money nor should they. Hell he probably wasn't even worth the money the Texans offered him, if they did.

He insinuated several times over the summer that the Texans didn't make an offer. I can see that given the cap situation they were in. There was no way they could afford him even for half what the Bills paid him and still sign Foster, Brown, and Schaub.

 

[ATRAIN]

The way I see if if he wanted to stay he would have talked to the team and said I want to stay and know capp room is tight so ill work with you guys. Tagging him at that amount would be ridiculous!!

 

[TheRealJoker]

Say what you want about Mario:

He's not worth what he's getting paid currently but he is an upgrade over what we have. We did not get better by letting Mario walk, but that's part of being a good team. You will run into the situation where you have to let good players walk and hope you have replacements that will grow into the role.

 

[steelbtexan]

MW=LOL

Good riddance

If he does anything I'm looking forward to booing him.

Party On MW

 

[Playoffs]

I would love to know what the Texans offer to MW was...

Two people have direct knowledge of that. One says he didn't get an offer, the other has no comment. I believe Mario.

 

[Wolf]

Not worried. texans did what they'd too. Same as Mario. Business decision. It sucks as a fan

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Two people have direct knowledge of that. One says he didn't get an offer, the other has no comment. I believe Mario.

That's not entirely true. Remember that there's an agent in between all this and it's the agent that talks to Rick Smith, not Mario.

As I posted in another thread, what probably happened was that Rick Smith and Mario's Agent talked just to get a feel for what each side thought it could do and after hearing what Mario was expecting, Rick told him he couldn't do anything close to that.

So no offer was made.

 

[gtexan02]

MW obviously care about what we, the fans, think of him. Well, heres what I think of him:

Mario did the things we wanted him to do in Houston.
He changed a few games with his skills
He was better than either Reggie Bush or VY


I don't hate the guy. I was happy to cheer for him (and even bought his jersey) when he played for us. I'm not going to hate him just because he left, I just won't cheer for him anymore. I don't care the reason, either. He's not a Texan. Thats the end of it

 

[Playoffs]

Houston forced Williams to free agency, but only because Houston didn’t need him

As explained earlier today during the latest Pro Football Talk on NBC Sports Network, that’s true. The Texans indeed forced Williams to become a free agent. Because, per a source with knowledge of the dynamics in Houston, G.M. Rick Smith decided the team could win without him.
...
Given Williams’ performance in Buffalo and the Texans’ performance without him, Smith’s decision puts him in line for the Executive of the Year award.

 

[GP]

Lol, you say you're not mad anymore....but then you type out this long post that's laden with nothing but feelings and obvious ill will toward the guy.........still.

How is whether or not the texans wanted him back not the main focus? Especially in context of what he said & when the majority of the idiots booing the guy in the stadium this sunday will be booing him b/c they feel like he sold us out to take more money. They damn sure couldn't boo the guy for anything else .........not without looking like hypocrites anyway.

Also, what does anything that happened here with him have to do with how Buffalo fans feel about him now?

You're also a fool if you don't think that Rick Smith & Bob didn't want him back. Sure, we were up against it, but if the price was right or at least reasonable, they surely would've been open to resigning him.

Don't be a fool & think that Ricky & co. don't play the media too...There's at least 1 other instance where this may or may not have occured. Upon Dunta leaving he alledges that Smith told him 1 thing but said/did another. All Mario's saying here is that "it's not all on me folks". Now surely, i'm not mad that Smith isn't afraid to go back on his word........as long as the teams best interests are at heart, but surely it's not out of the realm of possibility that publically Smith/Mcnair are saying they want him back & privately their actions are reflecting something else.

A guy can't say it's not all on him if he left for wayyyyyy more than what the current team could offer him. It's pretentious to think otherwise.

Any offer south of $90 million was going to be a slap to his face when the Bills are sitting there with $100 mill.

What's being lost in all of this is that there exists 31 other teams who at any time can pay any other team's player MORE than what he'd get with his current team...it's the whole point of free agency: To let players decide their destinies and get maybe more money than they would if there wasn't free agency.

For a player to ***** about how the process--a process that makes them TONS of extra money--forced a team's hand, and how that looks "bad" in some people's eyes is total bull****. Just leave, go get your big bank, and be done with it. It's not the current team's fault.

 

[Texan_Bill]

Lol, you say you're not mad anymore....but then you type out this long post that's laden with nothing but feelings and obvious ill will toward the guy.........still.

How is whether or not the texans wanted him back not the main focus? Especially in context of what he said & when the majority of the idiots booing the guy in the stadium this sunday will be booing him b/c they feel like he sold us out to take more money. They damn sure couldn't boo the guy for anything else .........not without looking like hypocrites anyway.

Also, what does anything that happened here with him have to do with how Buffalo fans feel about him now?

You're also a fool if you don't think that Rick Smith & Bob didn't want him back. .

I'm mad... I'm mad at his stupid comments. I'm mad that he raped this organization for $54 mill (which he realized all of it)...

BTW, I will be one of those "idiots" booing him Sunday based on his dumbass, non-hearted comments? NOT to mention he cost this franchise $54 million over his first 6 years, which ironically he fought through "numerous injuries", which Buffalo fan is finally seeing!

AND for the record, before you go around "labeling" people as "idijots" maybe you're the idjit in not understanding that many of us supported the pick over both Reggie Bush and "6" aka "Radio" and supported the pick fully knowing that Marilou Williams was benched at NCState for, well,,,, "lack of effort...

Enough.... Marion errrrrr, Marilou Williams will have a big effort this Sunday... You know why??? I'll say it, because he has an external force to be motivated. Certainly not because of an internal force that Buffalo Bill Bruce Smith had or more contemparily a JJ Watt has...

Marion Williams: a) doesn't love football. b) has no burning desire c) unlike great champions and/or players doesn't hate to lose (think Michael Jordan)...

MR TEx..... You've completely missed on this one!

 

[mussop]

Mario is the new Albert Haynesworth. From this point on his career is going backwards. By the fith game he will be getting questioned by the NY media and fans. By the seventh game they will be ridiculing him. Soon after that he will suffer a hamstring injury and be out for the year.

Mercilus will be in the running for DROY.

 

[Mr teX]

I'm mad... I'm mad at his stupid comments. I'm mad that he raped this organization for $54 mill (which he realized all of it)...

BTW, I will be one of those "idiots" booing him Sunday based on his dumbass, non-hearted comments? NOT to mention he cost this franchise $54 million over his first 6 years, which ironically he fought through "numerous injuries", which Buffalo fan is finally seeing!

AND for the record, before you go around "labeling" people as "idijots" maybe you're the idjit in not understanding that many of us supported the pick over both Reggie Bush and "6" aka "Radio" and supported the pick fully knowing that Marilou Williams was benched at NCState for, well,,,, "lack of effort...

Enough.... Marion errrrrr, Marilou Williams will have a big effort this Sunday... You know why??? I'll say it, because he has an external force to be motivated. Certainly not because of an internal force that Buffalo Bill Bruce Smith had or more contemparily a JJ Watt has...

Marion Williams: a) doesn't love football. b) has no burning desire c) unlike great champions and/or players doesn't hate to lose (think Michael Jordan)...

MR TEx..... You've completely missed on this one!

Come on Bill, i would say you're way off on this one...Geez you act like all of that 54 million came out of your pockets...


This thread is nothing more than a bunch folks crying and whining over things that ultimately shouldn't even bother you. he's over in buffalo & their team is stinking it up.......like most here and everywhere else knew they would & we're here doing our thing.....like many here knew we would.

Yeah he sure did "steal" 54 million dollars from this team.....the same team that offered it to him.....the same team that kept him around even when, according to you, it was soooo apparent to the franchise that he needed "external" forces to be motivated....the same team he led in sacks all but 1 year he was here...the same team that let Frank Bush & Richard Smith call defensive plays for him...yeah he got over big time on the texans..

if that's your rationale for booing the guy, whatever...do it if it makes you feel better, But i can think of more than a few players who really stole money from this franchise & were/have been met with far less venom when they came back to reliant...Either way, it won't change my opinion of those booing, i still think you guys are idiots b/c at the end of the day he can say what he wants, Smith guessed right and we are & have been a better team without him.........HOWEVER WAY THAT CAME TO BE.

I remember a similar backlash against demeco on here when he said something regarding philly's fan base vs ours. you guys need to stop being so sensitive. you guys misconstrue anything these guys say that's not overly flattering about the city/texans as somehow being an indictment on the city itself.

 

[paycheck71]

The way I see it, he left, and we signed Brown, Foster, Myers, and Schaub. And Buffalo paid him $100MM. That's a win-win if I've ever seen one. What is there to be upset about by anyone? And why boo?

 

[Thorn]

Given the choice over again, I'd still take Mario over Sausage Boy and Bush. But if I REALLY had a chance to do it over again, I wouldn't take any of those three. LOL

 

[ChampionTexan]

Given the choice over again, I'd still take Mario over Sausage Boy and Bush. But if I REALLY had a chance to do it over again, I wouldn't take any of those three. LOL

Agreed, but all in all, considering that nobody else was even in the discussion at the time, selecting the best of those three did give a little credibility to the Texans where before they had none. At least it showed that they were either smarter or luckier than 97% of the pundits and talking heads out there.

Those who choose to boo VY on Sunday are entirely within their rights to do so, just as I'm entirely within my rights to think that it shows them to be small, petty and not very bright.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Reviewing the actual terms Mario's contract............Mario made out like a bandit..............and the Bills went to Las Vegas. With Mario's injury and questionable effort history, not only were the Texans nowhere close to being able to come anywhere close to structuring a reasonable contract that would work within the cap............nor were they evidently unwise enough to take what by almost every measure was a loser's bet. Mario, you would do well to just shut up, sell your Memorial home, buy a couple more Lamborghinis, stay healthy, start showing a consistently high motor, become sack king, make the Bills winners and Bills fans grateful that you are THEIR legacy.............NOT!

1. $19 million signing bonus.

2. $5.9 million fully guaranteed base salary in 2012.

3. $8 million option bonus in 2013.

4. $6.5 million base salary in 2013, guaranteed for injury only at the time of signing, fully guaranteed second day of 2013 league year.

5. $10.6 million roster bonus in 2014, guaranteed for injury only at time of signing.

6. $1.9 million base salary in 2014.

7. $1 million roster bonus in 2015.

8. $12.1 million base salary in 2015.

9. $2.5 million roster bonus in 2016.

10. $11.5 million base salary in 2016.

11. $3.5 million roster bonus in 2017.

12. $11.4 million base salary in 2017.

13. $100,000 workout bonus in 2012, with $500,000 workout bonuses in each year from 2013 to 2016.

13. $400,000 Pro Bowl incentives per year.

14. $400,000 in additional incentives per year.

The base value is $96 million. The incentives can push the deal to $100 million.

At the time of signing, the deal contains fully guaranteed money in the amount of $24.9 million.

Also, another $17.1 million is guaranteed for injury only at the time of signing; $6.5 million of it becomes fully guaranteed later. It’s unclear whether the $8 million option bonus is fully guaranteed; as a practical matter, it is.

Given the $10.6 million roster bonus due in 2014, it’s a two-year, $40 million contract with a team-held option on the final four years. More accurately, it’s a two-year contract with a one-year-at-a-time decision by the team as to whether it continues.

While it’s a significant risk in the short term, the Bills can walk away if it doesn’t work out.

link

 

[Norg]

Aganist Mario Newton played very good today im proud of him

 

[Wolf]

If I saw correctly, ended the season with 46 tackles and 10.5 sacks

 

[thunderkyss]

If I saw correctly, ended the season with 46 tackles and 10.5 sacks

How did that compare to Connor Barwin?

Imagine that Barwin put up those numbers, or that we never lost Cushing this year. Think about all the turnovers we would have gotten, how that short field would help our offense.