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Super Mario not so super so far

I just watched the Bills replay. I saw Mario put one his on the qb just after the ball was gone. I saw a couple of running plays that mario disrupted. Sanchez was getting the ball off pretty quick and the game was over just after halftime. I saw about 3 plays he was a factor in. Thats $333,000 per play if he gets his entire $96,000,000.

Mario will show up big in about 1/3 of the games this year. Either he will have a matchup he likes(although I'm not sure what he did'nt like about this match up). Maybe he will have a bad week and want to take his frustration out on someone(although with all that money it might be hard to have a bad week). I'm sure he will find some reason to play good occasionally, just like he did here.
 
I'm guessing the Bills fan base isn't the most intelligent in the league:



Didn't Marion go out in the 5th game of the season?? Obvioulsy, but wouldn't that be less than even 12 months ago??? :thinking:

It looks like year-wise he was counting backwards from the last previous year, so I think he might actually be right.
 
Kubiak is a coach down in Texas
You know he knows just exactly what the cap is
He ain't gonna listen to richard justice
He makes his livin' off of the people's Texans

Mario in blue, whoa, whoa, he slipped away
Vince Young caught up to him the very next day
They got the money, hey
You know they got away
They're not down south and they're still running today
Singin' go on take the money and run
Go on take the money and run
Go on take the money and run
Go on take the money and run
Go on take the money and run
Go on take the money and run

Truer words have never been spoken about MW. Go count your $$$$$ MW.

Repped
 
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Defensive Line

Mario Williams
Time on Field: 90.5% snaps played; 57 at LDE
Stats: 1 tackle (solo)
Plus/Minus: -7 (5 positive plays, 12 negative plays)

Observations: The Bills biggest free agent acquisition was also the player that had the worst grade of any defensive lineman on the team. While Williams had a nice inside rip move before getting double teamed and also a solid speed rush at the end of the first half, by and large Williams just did not get the job done. His normal move was to try and go wide, which took him out of the play in stopping the run. There were also a few times where he was gobbled up on run plays in a one-on-one matchup against a tight end.

Grade: C- (1.67 GPA)
http://wgr550.com/two-bills-drive/14203249

Rodney Harrison says Mario will disappear, fall off the face of the earth:
"He's financially set. So to come out as a free agent and decide to spend the prime time -- basically my prime years -- with the Buffalo Bills, you're not going to make the playoffs. You're not going to the Super Bowl."

Harrison, twice an All-Pro safety, spent the first nine years of his career with the San Diego Chargers and then signed with the New England Patriots in 2003 for the chance to win Super Bowls. He has two rings.

"They're not very good," Harrison continued on the Bills. "They don't have a franchise quarterback. The Patriots will always dominate that division. The Jets will always be second.

"So my point here is you go out and get a $100 million deal, well, wouldn't you've taken $80 million and gone somewhere where you could have been competitive each and every week? I just think this is a huge mistake for Mario Williams.

"Mark my words: He will get lost in the shuffle. He'll probably fall off the face of the earth."
http://blogs.buffalonews.com/press-...son-blasts-mario-williams-for-money-grab.html


Very interesting revenge matchup this week for Mario: Eric Winston & the Chiefs!
 
I feel the same way(bolded statement). The media coverage bothered me more than it should have, but I'm glad to see Buffalo fan is getting to see the other side of this double-edged sword.

I second those feelings. I even called into Sirius and tried to make the same complaint and they hung up on me so that I wouldn't finish my argument. But they were screaming Buffalo is now a Super Bowl contender and they were doing it all week.

But no mention of the dominant performance that JJ Watt put on this past Sunday at all. That's okay. I'll take less media and more wins anyday.
 
You need to understand that Buffalo is much further north than we are, which means that their rotation period around the sun is longer than ours. Ergo, from Oct 2011 to Sept 2011 may only be 11 months for us, but it is 13 months for them. :toropalm:





:sarcasm: for those who missed it.

:spit: That was awesome, right there!!!

MSR!!
 
I still expect Mario will have 10-12 sacks, but he'll be the same old MW doing it. Great game here and there with a lot of mediocre ones in between. Hell, he might have multiple sacks in a few games, but with a lot of plays off in between. It's who he is.
 
http://www.buffalonews.com/article/20120910/SPORTS/120919877/1004

Damien Woody played many years on the offensive line for the New England Patriots and New York Jets.

This year, he has been a huge Buffalo Bills fan.

Woody has been banging the Bills' drum in his role as an ESPN analyst. He predicted they would make the playoffs because he thought free-agent defensive end Mario Williams was that influential, that dominant.

But after what Woody witnessed from Williams in Sunday's season-opening 48-28 loss to the Jets, he's not sure what to think anymore.

"Mario had no effect on the game. None. Zero." said Woody, who watched the game from the stands next to some Bills fans at the Meadowlands.

Against a right tackle with four games of NFL experience and one previous start, Williams recorded no sacks. His lone tackle came on the fourth play. He didn't appear on the official play-by-play rundown for the rest of the game.

In the Bills' locker room after the game, Williams complained that replacement officials kept ignoring Howard's hands being jabbed in Williams' face.

"For him to blame replacement officials as the reason he got dominated yesterday, I think that's pathetic," Woody said. "There's no ifs, ands or buts about it.

"You're the big free agent. You're the $100 million man going up against a guy that was on the practice squad and inserted in the starting role just a couple weeks ago. I saw a lot of times Mario was one-on-one and couldn't do anything."

The Bills made Williams the highest-paid defensive player in NFL history, signing him to a six-year contract worth as much as $100 million and with $50 million in guarantees.

Woody didn't see any justification for those dollars Sunday.

"I give all the credit to Austin Howard, but this is opening day," Woody said. "If there's any day that you're going to be riled up, it is opening day. You're on the road against a divisional opponent. You're feeling good about your team.

"To not have any production? And then to try to blame it on replacement refs? I mean, come on, man. You've got to be kidding me."

Jets coach Rex Ryan denied that Howard did anything illegal. Bills coach Chan Gailey dismissed any overlooked calls.

"Our offensive guys probably had a couple," Gailey said. "It's going to happen. Maybe it happened more to him than other people. We've just got to keep fighting through that kind of stuff."

The official NFL game book credited the Bills with no quarterback hits, although Williams did knock Mark Sanchez down once. Sanchez had one of the best games of his career, throwing for three touchdowns and registering a gaudy 123.4 passer rating.

Some might say the Jets negated Williams with quick throws, but Jets receivers were getting open in the secondary with double moves. Double moves take time to execute and require pass protection.

"He was doing all right," Gailey said. "He didn't use the power rush maybe as much. If you'd go back and ask him, he might say he should have used the power rush a little bit more than he did, the edge rush."

A lot of players who perform "all right" make a fraction of the salary Williams does. When asked whether "all right" is enough from a player of Williams' stature, Gailey was cautious in his response.

"It's hard to put too much pressure on guys like that," Gailey said. "You just want every guy to be a factor in the game at whatever position they play. I want them all to be more of a factor.

"We point him because he's a highly touted signee and all that. He's going to be a good player here for a long time. I don't have a problem with that."
 
Looks like he saw the same thing I used to see since season one for the Texans. I won't ever feel sorry for Mario Williams when he is criticized. THe guy got huge bucks here when he hadn't earned it, and now he is getting it in Buffalo and he won't earn it there for sure considering what they decided to pay him.
 
Just finished watching the full game, and wowwww. I don't remember Mario ever sandbagging an entire game as blatantly as he did this one.

That was a pathetic effort. He was barely even trying, as if he was doing non-contact practice drills.

[grasping at] Maybe he's not fully recovered from his pec injury? [/straws]
 
That's what I said about Mario the entire time he was here. Can't count the times Dale and I were either laughed at or spewed at for pointing out the obvious with Mario. He is going to really stink in Buffalo. They're going to be really bad for years, and he'll hate that cold weather over there. He'll be cut after his 3rd season there.

Don't know if anyone ever laughed at you. But I've always defended Mario when he was here & I'll continue to defend him. He is elite.

I didn't watch the Buffalo game, so I have no idea what was going on there. Can't tell you how well he played/didn't play. But just because he didn't show up on the stat sheet doesn't tell me he didn't play well.

Jared Allen didn't show up in the box scores either, doesn't change the fact that he's elite & Mario is a more well-rounded DE.

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I'm guessing the Bills fan base isn't the most intelligent in the league:



Didn't Marion go out in the 5th game of the season?? Obvioulsy, but wouldn't that be less than even 12 months ago??? :thinking:

Yes, he was leading our team in sacks after 5 weeks, after 6 weeks, after 7 weeks, I think after 8 weeks.

But yes, he went out in the 5th game of the season.
 
Pretty harsh Buffalo News article for this early in the season:

http://www.buffalonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120912/SPORTS/120919626/1004
Jerry Sullivan: Super Mario gets a reality check

But evidently, Williams didn't have the necessary means to know he was being roasted in the national media. Williams said he was unaware that former NFL star Rodney Harrison had ripped him Monday on his debut show on the NBC Sports Network.

Really, you didn't hear?

"I don't watch TV, man," Williams said. "Never have, never will. I think I've said that about a million times in my last seven years."

I'm not sure what's harder to believe - that any red-blooded American would claim to have never watched a minute of television, or that an NFL player with a Twitter account and a cell phone, not to mention friends, teammates and relatives, could be ignorant of a public media attack.

"Mario didn't hear it?" Ryan Fitzpatrick said. "Oh, I didn't either, then."
.....
When you hand a player $50 million in guarantees, you expect greatness, not excuses. Maybe it's sour grapes, but Houston fans and players don't seem to miss him. I'm already wondering if what they say is true, that there's a lot less to Mario than meets the eye.
 
You can ALWAYS gauge the greatness of a player by visiting a diehard fan message board and reading the reactions of the fans regarding a departing player.

How many fans, here, went to the length or to the level of gnashing of teeth and wailing in the Mario Leaves Houston for Buffalo thread versus the DeMeco Leaves Houston for Philly thread?????????? Night and day difference.

In one thread, people were arguing more about how early or how late people were to realize the player was not worth the money. In the other thread, there was heated remarks and great debate amongst the fans about the departure of the other player. Meh in one, OMG! in another. Night and day difference.

And whattya' know? One player is getting the usual remarks, and the other is getting the usual remarks. What you do when you leave for a new team, how you handle it and how you perform in your new jersey, is the mark of a great NFL player. Ryans is not a stud superstar LB, never was...he is genuinely energized and would chop an arm off to get out there and play. The other guy? Well...ummm...sort of.

Big ups to Philly for making a good deal for their team, both in terms of player need and contract friendliness. We ended up, IIRC, getting a decent draft pick for Ryans as well. Win-win.
 
Sound Familiar?

Mario Williams hints at undisclosed injury

Mario Williams hints at undisclosed injury
Posted by Mike Florio on September 13, 2012, 10:22 PM EDT
Mario Williams AP

Lost in the reaction of Bills defensive end Mario Williams to the criticism of his Week One performance is the reality that he apparently has an injury that the Bills have yet to disclose.

Coach Chan Gailey revealed that Williams suffered a wrist injury in the preseason, according to Jerry Sullivan of the Buffalo News.

“I had a little bit of a freak deal a couple of weeks ago,” Williams said. “Unfortunately, it was right before the regular season. Like I said, by any means necessary. I’ve got to take care of it, put everything to the side, and try to get to the quarterback.”
 
Mario is going to get his sacks I think. He is a good player but he wouldn't have been close to being the best player on this defense. He wasn't worth 100 mil.

Jj watt is already a better player than Mario.
 
Mario is going to get his sacks I think. He is a good player but he wouldn't have been close to being the best player on this defense. He wasn't worth 100 mil.

Jj watt is already a better player than Mario.

History tends to repeat itself. Mario was taking plays off and disappeared in a game........already. He is again injured........already. First game or not, he is failing to meet high expectations.........already. Yet he has fattened his super-sized wallet.......already. And I am tired of hearing about how good Mario really is........already.:kitten:
 
Mario is going to get his sacks I think. He is a good player but he wouldn't have been close to being the best player on this defense. He wasn't worth 100 mil.

Jj watt is already a better player than Mario.

I don't know. In this defense, Mario was on track to record 15 sacks. He may very well have gotten close to 20 sacks. Add in all the hurries, pressures, & tackles for losses that would have gone along with 20 sacks in this defense. Who knows?

WOLB in Wade's defense is like a RB in the ZBS, the QB in a WCO... however good the player is, the scheme is designed to "inflate" his production.

When healthy Mario is one of the best DE in the league, even when he "takes plays off & disappear for a while."
 
I can name 5 DE's I'd rather have over Mario, so I have no idea why he's being paid like the best defensive player in football. :mariopalm:
 
The man i getting 50 million dollars regardless of what he does. He is prob set for life, i doubt he really cares.


fool them once shame on them,,,,fool them twice,,,,now he's rich :kitten:
 
I don't know. In this defense, Mario was on track to record 15 sacks. He may very well have gotten close to 20 sacks. Add in all the hurries, pressures, & tackles for losses that would have gone along with 20 sacks in this defense. Who knows?

WOLB in Wade's defense is like a RB in the ZBS, the QB in a WCO... however good the player is, the scheme is designed to "inflate" his production.

When healthy Mario is one of the best DE in the league, even when he "takes plays off & disappear for a while."

Yeah, I disagree.

I would have loved to have him in this defense, but not for that price...even if we could afford it. He's not worth that much money when he is so often hurt and can be taken out of games so easily. He's 6'6" with a freak vert and rarely puts his hands up... Doesn't cause a lot of turnovers...has avg tackle numbers...

Not worth 100 mil even if he does occasionally dominates and gets to the qb.
 
Yeah, I disagree.

I would have loved to have him in this defense, but not for that price...even if we could afford it. He's not worth that much money when he is so often hurt and can be taken out of games so easily. He's 6'6" with a freak vert and rarely puts his hands up... Doesn't cause a lot of turnovers...has avg tackle numbers...

Not worth 100 mil even if he does occasionally dominates and gets to the qb.

I agree with you there. I don't think anyone is worth that kind of money, especially after learning that the cap remained flat over the last two season & may very well be flat for the next few.

I'm shocked & concerned that we're spending $15M/yr on Schaub.
 
I'm not going to start a new thread for this. But just wondering, in restrospect, if the draft could be done over again for that year, and knowing what we know now, who would you take? Mario, VY or Bush? Frankly, even though he wasn't worth the money, I'd still take Mario over VY or Bush.

And yes, I know, a better answer would be none of the above. But that isn't what I asked. LOL
 
I'm not going to start a new thread for this. But just wondering, in restrospect, if the draft could be done over again for that year, and knowing what we know now, who would you take? Mario, VY or Bush? Frankly, even though he wasn't worth the money, I'd still take Mario over VY or Bush.

And yes, I know, a better answer would be none of the above. But that isn't what I asked. LOL

DEMECO!!!!!

Actually, you could break it down like this... who are the "leaders" from that class:

Jay Cutler, QB
Maurice Jones-Drew, RB
Brandon Marshall, WR
Marques Colston, WR
Demeco Ryans, LB
Chad Greenway, LB
AJ Hawk, LB
DeAngelo Williams, RB
Nick Mangold, C
Devin Hester, PR/KR
Haloti Ngata, DT
D'Brickashaw Ferguson, T
Jahri Evans, T
Tamba Hali, DE
Mario Williams, DE
Elvis Dumerville, DE
Antonio Cromartie, CB
Cortland Innegan, CB


If I had a do-over and 20-20 hindsight, I'd probably go DeMeco or MJD. If I just had to pick from the original options, I'd go Mario.
 
DEMECO!!!!!

Actually, you could break it down like this... who are the "leaders" from that class:

Jay Cutler, QB
Maurice Jones-Drew, RB
Brandon Marshall, WR
Marques Colston, WR
Demeco Ryans, LB
Chad Greenway, LB
AJ Hawk, LB
DeAngelo Williams, RB
Nick Mangold, C
Devin Hester, PR/KR
Haloti Ngata, DT
D'Brickashaw Ferguson, T
Jahri Evans, T
Tamba Hali, DE
Mario Williams, DE
Elvis Dumerville, DE
Antonio Cromartie, CB
Cortland Innegan, CB


If I had a do-over and 20-20 hindsight, I'd probably go DeMeco or MJD. If I just had to pick from the original options, I'd go Mario.

Give me Ngata,Evans,Hali,Ferguson/Mangold/Cutler/Marshall/Jones-Drew and Colston over MW. Maybe even Cromartie.
 
DEMECO!!!!!

Actually, you could break it down like this... who are the "leaders" from that class:

Jay Cutler, QB
Maurice Jones-Drew, RB
Brandon Marshall, WR
Marques Colston, WR
Demeco Ryans, LB
Chad Greenway, LB
AJ Hawk, LB
DeAngelo Williams, RB
Nick Mangold, C
Devin Hester, PR/KR
Haloti Ngata, DT
D'Brickashaw Ferguson, T
Jahri Evans, T
Tamba Hali, DE
Mario Williams, DE
Elvis Dumerville, DE
Antonio Cromartie, CB
Cortland Innegan, CB


If I had a do-over and 20-20 hindsight, I'd probably go DeMeco or MJD. If I just had to pick from the original options, I'd go Mario.

Ngata every single time. A nightmare for offenses and IMO a FHOFer
 
Profootballreference.com has a "value" stat. And the player with the highest overall value from that draft class is:

Ngata.

1-32 goes like this:

1. Haloti Ngata -- 12
2. MJD -- 60
3. Jahri Evans -- 108
4. Jay Cutler -- 11
5. Greg Jennings -- 52
6. Marques Colston -- 252
7. Joseph Addai -- 30
8. Marcus McNeill -- 50
9. Brandom Marshall -- 119
10. Nick Mangold -- 29
11. Reggie Bush -- 2
12. Tamba Hali -- 20
13. Cortland Finnegan -- 215
14. D'Brickasaw Ferguson -- 4
15. Santonio Holmes -- 25
16. A.J. Hawk -- 5
17. Mario Williams -- 1
18. Vernon Davis -- 6
19. DeMeco Ryans -- 33
20. Eric Winston -- 66
21. Owen Daniels -- 98
22. Kamerion Wimbley -- 13
23. Antonio Cromartie -- 19
24. DeAngelo Williams -- 27
25. Daryn Colledge -- 47
26. Chad Greenway -- 17
27. Johnathon Joseph -- 24
28. Elvis Dumervil -- 126
29. Kyle Williams -- 134
30. Jeromey Clary -- 287
31. Charlie Johnson -- 199
32. Antoine Bethea -- 207

So, as we suspected, the Texans had a DAMNED fine draft that year, selecting 4 players who are ranked in the top 32 of that draft. And that's the best from that draft. The Saints, Colts, Packers, Broncos, and Chargers had 3 players in the top 32 from that draft.
 
DEMECO!!!!!

Actually, you could break it down like this... who are the "leaders" from that class:

Jay Cutler, QB
Maurice Jones-Drew, RB
Brandon Marshall, WR
Marques Colston, WR
Demeco Ryans, LB
Chad Greenway, LB
AJ Hawk, LB
DeAngelo Williams, RB
Nick Mangold, C
Devin Hester, PR/KR
Haloti Ngata, DT
D'Brickashaw Ferguson, T
Jahri Evans, T
Tamba Hali, DE
Mario Williams, DE
Elvis Dumerville, DE
Antonio Cromartie, CB
Cortland Innegan, CB


If I had a do-over and 20-20 hindsight, I'd probably go DeMeco or MJD. If I just had to pick from the original options, I'd go Mario.

I'd probably go Ngata. Mario & Hali come in second. I'd have to watch some game tape on Hali before I could decide.

No way I use a #1 pick on an ILB, so no Meco. I'm also not a fan of using a top pick on a RB, since their shelf life is so low.
 
Profootballreference.com has a "value" stat. And the player with the highest overall value from that draft class is:

Ngata.

1-32 goes like this:

1. Haloti Ngata -- 12
2. MJD -- 60
3. Jahri Evans -- 108
4. Jay Cutler -- 11
5. Greg Jennings -- 52
6. Marques Colston -- 252
7. Joseph Addai -- 30
8. Marcus McNeill -- 50
9. Brandom Marshall -- 119
10. Nick Mangold -- 29
11. Reggie Bush -- 2
12. Tamba Hali -- 20
13. Cortland Finnegan -- 215
14. D'Brickasaw Ferguson -- 4
15. Santonio Holmes -- 25
16. A.J. Hawk -- 5
17. Mario Williams -- 1
18. Vernon Davis -- 6
19. DeMeco Ryans -- 33
20. Eric Winston -- 66
21. Owen Daniels -- 98
22. Kamerion Wimbley -- 13
23. Antonio Cromartie -- 19
24. DeAngelo Williams -- 27
25. Daryn Colledge -- 47
26. Chad Greenway -- 17
27. Johnathon Joseph -- 24
28. Elvis Dumervil -- 126
29. Kyle Williams -- 134
30. Jeromey Clary -- 287
31. Charlie Johnson -- 199
32. Antoine Bethea -- 207

So, as we suspected, the Texans had a DAMNED fine draft that year, selecting 4 players who are ranked in the top 32 of that draft. And that's the best from that draft. The Saints, Colts, Packers, Broncos, and Chargers had 3 players in the top 32 from that draft.

Addai 7th? AJ Hawk 11 spots higher than Joseph?

I call shenanigans. I'd sure like to see the formula used to derive that value.
 
Seriously?

I would everyone to go back and watch the steelers game. Mario played well for us. Was he worth the money? No but folks here are bad mouthing him like he was some scrub. i swear I think our fans are some of the most uneducated of fickle there is. If they are not whining about something they are not happy.
 
Best thing I have to say about that #1 pick is that it is over. None of those 3 players is on their original team anymore and I'm glad it's all water under the bridge. All 3 were over-hyped big time and it turns out all the arguments over who was the best were a total waist of time.
 
That wasn't funny, it was sad. All this excitement in Buffalo about getting a big name superstar defensive end and nothing to show for it.\

How do you let the Pats score 52 points on you? No sacks at all... jeez
 
hey, paying a defensive lineman with work ethic issues 100 million dollars will totally be worth it ...



/redskins, bills
 
That wasn't funny, it was sad. All this excitement in Buffalo about getting a big name superstar defensive end and nothing to show for it.\

How do you let the Pats score 52 points on you? No sacks at all... jeez

I saw a few plays late in the game today and Mario was in on the tackle and the announcer said, "Mario Williams...FINALLY." I thought maybe this was a bad sign myself...lol.
 

Andy Wade ‏@HouCounterplot
What does Mario Williams and Monica Lewinsky have in common? They're both screwing Bills.

:clap:

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Even an ESPN NFL analyst is in on the fun:

Steve Levy ‏@espnSteveLevy
really thought the texan's defense would miss mario williams atleast a little...not at all

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scott pianowski ‏@scott_pianowski
"Wow, we really miss Mario Williams." -- Nobody in Houston
 
Mario's twitter profile says this:

Black Buffalo Bill. Laid back on the no stress express BBWOLF AUTOSPORTS!

And I am not kidding. He's laid back on the "no stress express" alright. And seems like he's in love with his autosports too. So much money, so little time.
 
What the Bills are witnessing is the real spectacle that is Mario Williams: A man with the athleticism and measurables to make history, but won't commit to figuring out how. He is indeed a freak of nature in the way he will not dedicate himself to elevating his game despite possessing the physical tools to do so. The Bills didn't waste that $50 million, they bought themselves the 8th Wonder of World mediocrity.
 
That wasn't funny, it was sad. All this excitement in Buffalo about getting a big name superstar defensive end and nothing to show for it.\

How do you let the Pats score 52 points on you? No sacks at all... jeez

Honestly, serves them right. I may be holding a petty grudge, but I remember when he signed with Buffalo it wasn't enough for their fans to be excited for the signing.

Even their own GM took one. I remember (either at a press conference or a radio interview) he mentioned how they'd use him where he "belongs," and never have him drop back in coverage (as if we used him almost extensively in coverage).

Mario isn't the only one to blame for this, I'm pretty sure Dave Wannstedt has a lot more to do with why they're struggling defensively, but it's still nice to see Bills fans complain after they dogged on Houston so much after getting Mario.
 
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