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Super Mario not so super so far
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Dutchrudder
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It's not all that bad, they can cut him after the second year and only have to take an 11.4 million dollar hit. If they did that, they would have paid him about 33 million for two years of work. Tough caphit, but it's cheaper than the 18.4 million he's scheduled to make that third year. He has a 10 million dollar roster bonus in the third year, which I think will be the deciding factor of whether or not he stays.
houstonspartan
All Pro
What, exactly, did Buffalo think they were getting when they signed Mario? I ask this question in all seriousness. The line on Mario for years has been that he's very, very inconsistent. Yes, sometimes a change of scene can revive a career; but, that is not likely to happen to a player in his sixth year.
Mario is who he is.
Mario is who he is.
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The Mario Williams Report
Excerpts:
read complete article: http://wgr550.com/The-Mario-Williams-Report/14384821
Excerpts:
read complete article: http://wgr550.com/The-Mario-Williams-Report/14384821
One of these days I'm going to get to watch a Buffalo game & I'll be able to have my own opinion of the situation. I know, & most everyone here knows, that Mario wasn't the problem with our defense. He was the only one in our front seven able to pressure the QB for a long time. Antonio came in & there was some help, but even then, he didn't "finish" as consistently as Mario did.
Our biggest problem, when Mario was here, was our ability to defend the pass in the secondary. QBs were able to get rid of the ball in less than 2.5 seconds. No pass rush has a chance against that.
Right now, Buffalo is playing with a 2nd year player & a rookie @ CB... does that sound familiar to anyone?
Note: I'm not defending Mario. This is not an "in the defense of Mario" post. I'm only saying I need to see the games myself. Even on our worst defenses, Mario wasn't the problem. He still managed to put pressure on the QB & get double digit sacks if he was able to stay healthy. That was his biggest issue. Staying healthy.
However, I will say that I thought with Kyle Williams, Mark Anderson, & Marcell Darius, I figured they would be enough to get pressure on the QB. Unless you guys are saying all four of them a lazy worthless P.O.S. I dont' know what to tell ya. But I wouldn't hesitate to put that front four on the field.
I watched the last part of the buffalo/pats game and Mario didn't look good. He has packed that weight back on and he looks like a beast, but plays regular.
6'6" and doesn't put his hands up. One time I recall Brady threw the ball right over his head and Mario never attempted to disrupt the throw.
He's not a very active, get the job done at all cost type of player.
6'6" and doesn't put his hands up. One time I recall Brady threw the ball right over his head and Mario never attempted to disrupt the throw.
He's not a very active, get the job done at all cost type of player.
To not be defending MW this post seems like that's exactly what you're doing.
MW is what he is. A guy that has all world ability but doesn't really care for the game of football. He does love the $$$$, cars,women etc... that football has allowed him to have.
Good riddance to bad rubbish. He's Buffalo's problem now. I'm just glad that the Texans defense is full of guys that football is their life. Talent isn't everything. (See MW)
Party on MW
TEXANRED
Texan-American
GlassHalfFull
Hall of Fame
Best served cold.
Yeah, enjoy the winter Mario.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
It looks like you're omitting the $8 Million option bonus he gets for the 2013 season. That would bump up the two year cost to around $40 Million, and the cap hit (if released after year two) to about $17.6 Million (which could probably then be split 50/50) over the 2014 and 2015 seasons.
I haven't seen anything definitive on whether the 2013 bonus is guaranteed, but even if it isn't, you're scenario assumed letting him go after year two (plus essentially, being in year two, it's guaranteed from a practical standpoint if not a technical one).
Except the guy who is playing Mario's position now is being "accused" of disappearing, tanking, not putting in the effort. Jj Watt is one thing, but he's not playing the position Mario was playing.
Are we missing Mario? No, we've got a great defensive team. But, it could be better. "They" would be talking about our pass rush the way "they" talk about NYGiants if Mario was here doing what he did over the first 5 games of last season.
Season is still young. Mercilus may step up & take that WOLB spot & move Barwin where he belongs (SOLB), then everything will be everything. But right now, that position on our team is severely under-performing.
I'm watching these games & I have no idea, reasoning, for it. Our pass defense provides time for Jj Watt to get to the QB, should be enough time for an outside pass rusher (which Barwin is not). Jj & Antonio are commanding doubles, triples, chips, etc... there's no reason for Connor not to be going off, other than he's playing out of position.
fiasco west
All Pro
Not a single doubt in my mind that if we still had Mario that he'd easily have 3 or 4 sacks if not more by now.
For his career he should have done all he could to stay here, remain on a top defense. I think he would have made that money back in satisfaction and lifelong endorsements trying to help build a legendary defense here. Him, Watt, Cushing could have been like Ngata,Lewis, Scott.
Coaches in the NFL are huge, that's really all there is to it. (Just look at the Saints...Patriots remain consistent because of their great coach.) Buffalo has a lot of talent on that dline and no one gets pressure.
I wish they would have worked something out with him here. I don't understand how the Eagles are able to manage the cap so well...but yeah if he was still here he'd have more sacks then he has and really I always felt like he was better against the run. I think our run defense is mainly missing Demeco but also Mario has always been good against the run.
Carr Bombed
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Outside of 5 games in a contract season Mario Williams was just a dog during the majority of his time in Houston.. and no, when he played with Smith along the line, he never "finished more consistently"... never. Fans overrate the hell out of sacks.. give me a guy who plays with all out effort when he's on the field, supplies pressure and may or may not get a sack over a guy who'll get a sack and then become casper the friendly gohst the rest of the game. Antonio Smith was our best defensive lineman the moment he stepped on the field.
I said it before last season ended.. we don't need to sign Mario Williams and it would be a waste of money for the amount it was going to take to bring him back. I don't think he's lazy.. I just don't think he cares. He's kind of like the David Carr of DEs, he lacks motivation. He doesn't have the fire in his belly.. if he loses or wins it doesn't effect him any differently.. It's the reason why he chose to sign in Buffalo when he could've took a little less money and signed with a number of winning franchises.. the guy flat out does not care about wins and losses. He'll cash his check and go home just the same.
It's the reason why our 2nd year DE already has a extensive array of pass rushing moves, is already more polished than Mario ever will be, and has a greater motor and plays with more effort than Mario ever will. Mario is blessed with rare physical skills, skills that should allow him to challenge Watt in the sack department, but he never wanted to put in the work.. which is the reason why he's still only rocking that lame bull rush or his signature move where he tries to run around the tackle and he just runs himself out of the play. Mario Williams is nothing, but a tinman.. He has no heart.
As far as Barwin goes, I haven't seen anybody accuse him of tanking or not putting in the effort. Does he have any sacks, No, but since he's in a contract year I highly doubt it's due to a lack of trying. I've seen him around the QB multiple times. You also say his natural position is at SOLB.. he only had 1 sack through the first 5 games last season and Brooks Reed is playing fine over there, I'd rather leave things alone. Mario Williams only has 1 sack, by the end of season Barwin will pass him and this will all be a moot point.
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ThaShark316
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I'm watching the 1st game (Bills/Jets) :
Mario is trying bull rush moves vs the Jets Ts. Every time he notices it DOESN'T work, he'd literally stop going. "**** it, I can't beat him". Stops fighting once his "move" didn't work. He beat #77 Austin Howard once, late in the 1st half.
Mario is trying bull rush moves vs the Jets Ts. Every time he notices it DOESN'T work, he'd literally stop going. "**** it, I can't beat him". Stops fighting once his "move" didn't work. He beat #77 Austin Howard once, late in the 1st half.
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I watched a highlight of the Patriots massacre, there was one play where the Pats ran away from him and he was disengaged from his blocker. Instead of hussling and trailing the play (you never know what can happen, fumble, anything) like "Big Earl" did with Kendall Wright.. He literally stood straight up, turned around, and just watched the RB run into the endzone. Mario Williams' motor sucks, there's a LOT of quit in that guy. Frankly I'm glad he's gone. I'd hate to see how he would've played here with a 100 million dollar contract.
ThaShark316
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On the first drive vs. NYJ, he was stopping (like you said) and stood there like "nah, they got it".
Carr Bombed
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Check this thread out..
http://boards.buffalobills.com/showthread.php?433473-Mario-Fans-have-a-right-to-be-angry
Bills fans ain't happy, they want a refund.
After the 35-3 "Choke job" they deserve every misfortune that comes their team's way.
http://boards.buffalobills.com/showthread.php?433473-Mario-Fans-have-a-right-to-be-angry
Bills fans ain't happy, they want a refund.
After the 35-3 "Choke job" they deserve every misfortune that comes their team's way.ThaShark316
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Mario was more...active I'll say, in the games vs. KC and CLE. Had a few pressures. Nothing that would WOW you, but doing much more than the NYJ game. When it's available to me, I'll check the NE game.
EDIT: His sack vs. CLE, he got a good jump off the snap and basically went around the RT...kind of alluding to what folks were saying in this thread. Another thing...on that same drive, TE Ben Watson (smh) stonewalled Mario. That hurt to watch. Watson ain't even a good blocker.
EDIT: His sack vs. CLE, he got a good jump off the snap and basically went around the RT...kind of alluding to what folks were saying in this thread. Another thing...on that same drive, TE Ben Watson (smh) stonewalled Mario. That hurt to watch. Watson ain't even a good blocker.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Unfortunate, Mario's only move to date has remained simply trying to run around the outside of the D. He has not seemed to effectively add any other moves in all his years in the league. And now with money in hand........he doesn't need to.
Carr Bombed
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Jethro Franklin tried to motivate MW to learn new pass rush moves and make him go all out every play he was on the field.
Result: Franklin got fired. MW is a certified coach killer, how many DL coaches were here during MW time here? 3-4? That says something.
But, you continue on Fiddler/TK, you can throw up hypotheticals all you want. But the film doesn't lie.
A reincarnation of Vince Lombardi couldn't motivate MW into being the player he could be.
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Texan_Bill
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Which is ironic because after 4 games this season he as the same number of PD's as he did last year in about 4 1/2 games.
Buffalo is a FAIL on so many levels.
The "film" is subjective. Just like they're saying Arian makes it look effortless, but you see the 1600 rushing yards & you gotta give him his props. Mario may not "Look" like Jj Watt or Jared Allen, but he got results.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Reminds me a lot of the idiocy one of our posters displayed defending Travis Johnson while he was here.
What a fool he was.
(me)Funny how people will sift through our past games to find one where MW made a play.
It is an exercise in futility to even try to compare MW to Watt.
Did anyone catch the "Off The Mark" segment with Mark Schlereth on NFL Live yesterday?
He slammed Mario hard. Basically showed a bunch of play where Mario was getting dominated, including one where he couldn't even get past a TE. Mark asked what $100 million gets you. His answer? BLOCKED!! lol!
He slammed Mario hard. Basically showed a bunch of play where Mario was getting dominated, including one where he couldn't even get past a TE. Mark asked what $100 million gets you. His answer? BLOCKED!! lol!
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Stink is about as honest/straightforward as you can get.
In that same segment, Mark also slammed Titan Leroy Harris for his remarks about JJ Watt. He did a little math and said that game times 16 would be 32 sacks for a season. His attitude about Harris was that he was basically a dumbass for saying anything about Watt when he was clearing being dominated by JJ.
TheIronDuke
All Pro
Reading the Bills MB is funny. Now they're going around comparing MW's first 4 games to Julius Peppers' first 4 games in Chicago and are using that as proof that MW is going to be a bad ass like Peppers. Those poor, poor people. 
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
Kinda weird watching this pan out, I'd excused the lesser performances from Mario all this time and I think a lot of people round here, myself included, made up excuses for him that weren't really there.
Hurts a bit to suddenly see it from an outside perspective and come to the realisation that this guy simply isn't putting the effort in, whether that be in training, on the field, in the film room, he's allowing his natural skills to just about get him by and not doing anything more than necessary.
Doubtless he'll have the odd big game here and there, especially on primetime, that will make his numbers look respectable for the season, but this guy should be up there with the likes of Peppers in sack numbers year in year out and isn't.
Hurts a bit to suddenly see it from an outside perspective and come to the realisation that this guy simply isn't putting the effort in, whether that be in training, on the field, in the film room, he's allowing his natural skills to just about get him by and not doing anything more than necessary.
Doubtless he'll have the odd big game here and there, especially on primetime, that will make his numbers look respectable for the season, but this guy should be up there with the likes of Peppers in sack numbers year in year out and isn't.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
In all honesty, it looks to me like that defensive coaching staff is not very good. They have some decently talented defensive guys on that roster and should be much better than they are.
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
I do kind of see that side of the story. You could certainly say that was his reason for never dominating here either, he never got a decent DC to make use of him until his last 5 1/2 games in Houston.
I'll never ever think any less of a guy in his position taking the most money available to him in a short career, but he had the option to stay with the right DC for him OR he could have gone somewhere with another good DC and chose not to. Maybe his breakout last season was simply him playing for his fat contract. We may never find out.
Still I'd prefer to see him come good than carry on like this.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Dave Wannstedt has always coached good to excellent defenses...he has a long resume of quality defensive production although he makes a miserable head coach.
Goldensilence
hipster elite
I was in the "let Mario walk" crowd and it's pretty much playing out like most of us suspected. Texans D chugs on, Mario struggles in Buffalo.
Really I thought it was crazy for anyone who has been paying attention to his on the field play to throw him that kind of cash. However, I knew someone would, thankfully it was Buffalo, whom I still hold a grudge against. So it worked out well.
Really I thought it was crazy for anyone who has been paying attention to his on the field play to throw him that kind of cash. However, I knew someone would, thankfully it was Buffalo, whom I still hold a grudge against. So it worked out well.
houstonspartan
All Pro
Yeah, but, at some point, Mario's gotta bring a veteran's attitude to the game, regardless of the defensive staff and coaching. Yes, the coaching, scheme and staff ARE vitally important, but, Mario doesn't seem to bring anything at all to the table, other than size.
He's in his sixth year. And we're still saying, "The coaches are not using him right!"
Come on.
ajohnson80
Waterboy
well he did look amazing in wade's system before he got hurt
Vinny
shiny happy fan
one good example...Andre Johnson was good under Capers...good under Kubiak. Superstars should be good with just about any coach. Players that need "good coaching" to bring their "A" game are not superstars even though they may still be paid like one.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I am going to relate this not because of Mario but the overall Bills coaching issue. Donte Whitner just had an interview about how the Bills have plenty of talent on D but the coaches don't know how to use it. Having gone from the Bills to the Niners he has some perspective.
utahmark
markbeth
The NFL is a coaches league. Just look at our defensive transformation or San Francisco whole team transformation last year. That being said it's usually the borderline talent that showes the most improvement with better coaching. Not the star players.
Mario seems to have checked out there was a time when he was the only player we had getting any pressure on the qb. I never thougt he was 100 mil man but for a while he was the best we had.
Mario seems to have checked out there was a time when he was the only player we had getting any pressure on the qb. I never thougt he was 100 mil man but for a while he was the best we had.
http://www.democratandchronicle.com...ams-wrist-injury-Buffalo-Bills?nclick_check=1
I have nothing against Mario. But it sounds just like when he was in Houston. Needless to say Buffalo fans around here are not happy and think this is just Mario not taking responsibility and not putting in the effort.
I have nothing against Mario. But it sounds just like when he was in Houston. Needless to say Buffalo fans around here are not happy and think this is just Mario not taking responsibility and not putting in the effort.
Goldensilence
hipster elite
To piggyback on Chris' Post via ESPN
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8474280/sources-nfl-checks-injury-buffalo-bills-mario-williams
Looks like his cover story for part of his struggles is at least gaining league attention in a very unfavorable way.
If anyone watched countdown's "eye on the Sky" segment this morning they showed Mario getting man handled by....Gronk in N.E. ... ONE one ONE. If Mario is supposedly an elite pass rusher should never be able to be taken on by a TE.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8474280/sources-nfl-checks-injury-buffalo-bills-mario-williams
Looks like his cover story for part of his struggles is at least gaining league attention in a very unfavorable way.
If anyone watched countdown's "eye on the Sky" segment this morning they showed Mario getting man handled by....Gronk in N.E. ... ONE one ONE. If Mario is supposedly an elite pass rusher should never be able to be taken on by a TE.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Despite all of Mario's excuses of poor performance due to a wrist injury that he supposedly sustained in the preseason, it's never shown up on the Bills Injury Report. This is despite the fact that, if you've been watching (I have) he has been wearing a wrist cast for the past 3 games. BTW, a player at Mario's position (as opposed obviously to a skilled position player) should not in any way be significantly impacted with the presence of a wrist cast. There is no reason that he cannot grab or push or wrap a QB an O player. In fact, if he hasn't yet, he could learn to soften up his opponent by clubbing him once in while when the refs aren't paying attention.
NFL probes Bills' injury reporting
Now, if he's the Bills defense is that he is not really injured......that he just likes wearing the cast, maybe he should make it identifiable as "ornamental" by having it gold plated or diamond-studded like his ear rings.
NFL probes Bills' injury reporting
Now, if he's the Bills defense is that he is not really injured......that he just likes wearing the cast, maybe he should make it identifiable as "ornamental" by having it gold plated or diamond-studded like his ear rings.
