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Stupor Bowl Ring Not withstanding Joe Flacco STILL aint that great
- Thread starter Dread-Head
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Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
Rookie...have a seat. Grown ups are talking. I'm messin' with Handswarmer...but he has my respect and has earned his right to bad mouth me in here. You haven't. Have a seat, you might learn something.
Signed,
"This Guy"
Luv_ya_blue
Truth, Love, Faith & Obedience - Christianity 101
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
Sorry Reverend. I forgot.
handswarmer
Rookie
Okay. 3itching ME out personally is one thing. I've no issue you calling me out given the nature of this thread and I have a thick skin & accept the full brunt of your ire, but the board where you're trashing OTHER Texans fans is still called "Texans Talk". Do yourself a huge favor and limit your attacks TO me on this one. Within the ranks of this board some die hard Texans fans are agreeing with you on some of your stuff. Don't say anything that might lose you some friends.
YOUR OPINION. Simply repeating it over and over won't make it true.
Brady has three rings in five trips.
The Manning brothers have three between them
Montana has FOUR
Ben has 2 out of three.
Joe Flacco is not the superior much less the EQUAL of any of the QBs YOU just mentioned. You might as well say that Larry Brown is as great a DB as Deion Sanders because he got three interceptions in the ONE Superbowl in which he played and got MVP.
What color is the sky in your world?
Son, If you think you're going to offend me by dissin' Matt Schaub...you ARE on drugs. There is a long line of Texans fans on this board who do the same thing DAILY. Get in line to diss Schaub and wait your turn. I've been badmouthin' Dog Boy's back up since he came here from Atlanta. Maybe your carrion should make him a back up to the "greatest QB in NFL History" aka Joe Flacco so you can sing his praises if he ever lucks up and happens to catch mad breaks from an officiating crew that does acid before a game.
"Wins?"...No bruh...WON. Relish this. It aint happening again.
Obviously there is an issue since you feel I "Called you out"....not really. The crack remark was humor. And saying that other Texans fans are whining is not trashing them;especially in the part ofthe Message Board entitled "The National Football League" where YOU started th thread!!!!...... trashing them is denigrating their fandom, questioning thier loyalty, etc. etc...so relax buddy....I did none of that.
Alot of national media types agree with my opinion- Im cool with that
My sky right now in Ravens Country is Purple with a Silver Lombardi lining.....
Son? My dad died 14 years ago- no need to make it personal. I detect that you are black since you used the term "blagg azzz" or seomthing like that...you would be offended if I used the term son, so please do not use it on me.
Other than that, you seem to blow right over the documented achievements of Flacco and ignore what some of your own fellow Texans fans are saying to you about Flacco. Just as you ignore those that blow smoke up Schaub's rear end...
handswarmer
Rookie
The Ravens targeted JJ- they saw the potential. They knew Harbaugh and Rossberg could coach him up.
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
The same national media that regards Texan wins NOT as wins, but as "meltdowns" by other teams from which we happened to benefit? Yeah the national media doesn't get alot of love on this MB. Dude.
I respect that you're loyal to your team and are steadfast in your opinion, but this entire thread is based on MY Opinion and I stand by MY Opinion. For what it's worth I'm a Texans fan AND a Steeler fan. While I can BEGRUDGINGLY give Ray Ray & Reed their due and tip my hat to Bolden, Rice, Leach and Pollard...Flacco and J.J. gets NO love. Sorry brother. It's not gonna happen. But hell, if we all thought the same way the world would be a seriously boring place.
warm hand luke said:
Given that your team got the greatest title in sports less than three days ago more than understandable.
handswarmer said:
Let me state for the record that I'm far from malicious and WOULD NOT attack someone's family. I find that reprehensible. I used the term "Son" as I assumed I'm older than you. I've no issue with my elders (regardless of their race) calling me "son", but that's just me. I can assure you I meant no disrespect and the members of this board can vouch for me in that regard...well except for Bill. But I find it funny that you "detect" that I'm black from context clues rather than the photo of the masked figure with the dreadlocks.
handswarmer said:
Let me state unequivocally that Flacco impresses me slightly more than Schaub does, but that being said, I've had bowel movements that have impressed me considerably more than EITHER of those two cats and wager that the only way EITHER of them will EVER get to the Hall of Fame is if they're driving around Ohio and get hopelessly LOST.
Do I IGNORE my friends in here who say GOOD things about Schaub? Hardly, but they KNOW me and know how I feel. I ignore the threads that sing Schaub's praises because these guys KNOW I think he should return to being a back up.
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handswarmer
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YOUR opinion about Flacco is just that- yours. But it seems as if throughout this thread you have tried to dismiss his achievements. One cannot ignore the last 7 games of this season. I feel as if you are. His last 5 playoff games hve been pretty outstanding. He has beaten Brady twice this year, Manning bros 1 each and now the geat Colin Kaepernick (snicker)
I am glad you "got" my descriptive phrase...few did earlier....
I'm cool- I know you meant no harm. I just like a level playing field, so much better, dn't you think?
Flacco keeps up the last 7-8 weeks for the next 10 years, he can make the HoF easily.
Luv_ya_blue
Truth, Love, Faith & Obedience - Christianity 101
Yup, and if a frog had wings...
handswarmer
Rookie
A outside of Green Bay, NYC, San Fran, Philly, Boston and Dallas, every fan base feels as if the national media does 'fly by' reporting....
KC Chiefs fans feel even more isolated than you guys....
KC Chiefs fans feel even more isolated than you guys....
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
I was looking at his entire career...not this single season. For what's worth I was damned near excommunicated from the Steeler Nation for OPENLY cheering for your team to stop Thomasina in the Championship game.
I'm looking forward to seeing the Texans hoist the Lombardi in hopefully the near future, and as much as I hate the Ravens I'd rather see THEM win the damn title than to see EITHER Thomasina OR the Cowboys EVER win another one.
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
Dallas? Are you KIDDING me? They get more press than ANYBODY shy of Brady and Belecheat. They're called "America's Team" and "Fabled Franchise" even when they have a losing season. I HATE those muff-huggas! My three favorite teams:
1. Texans
2. Steelers
3. WHOEVER is playing the Cowboys THIS WEEK! I hven't missed a cowboy game in 20 years!
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
Ravens need to step up and pay Joe his $20 million per -- anything less would be a slap in the face after he brought them the SB trophy & MVP.
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handswarmer
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What part of "Outside of" didn't you understand? Those franchises I listed get ALL the press drippings and nut nuzzleing....
handswarmer
Rookie
Thts where we are different- I do not hate.
I dislike Steelers fans general but I have a few friends who root Black and Yellow.
I have total respect for the Steelers team and organization. But Jim Nance just loves to wrap his tongue around Ben's, Whines Hard and Polamalu's nutzzz....
handswarmer
Rookie
I am looking at the last few years- not his rookie year.
toronto
Hall of Fame
His love of those three pales in comparison to his love of nature at Augusta in April.
You're missing the point.
Flacco had played great in last year's play-offs, played great in the AFC Championship game but lost. Since he lost, nobody put much credence in how he played. Between September & January of the year after he had a great play off run, he was still considered in Schaub's tier.... not just by us.
The goof up last year wasn't even his goof up, it was Lee Evans... it was probably a bad call. Winning & losing clouds our judgement way too much, that's all I'm saying.
This year, instead of Lee Evans he had Jacoby Jones catching that ball in Denver & taking it for a touchdown that kept them alive. It was Jacoby Jones that came back caught that underthrown ball & then had the snap to get up & run. It was Jacoby Jones returning the opening kick of the second half for a TD & it was the defense that stopped the 49ers from winning the game....... but we remember how great Joe Flacco played.
So what are we going to say about Flacco next year? Between September & January when they go through what they go through & they need Flacco to carry them because the defense can't stop Brady? Or they lose 4 of their last 3? What if they don't make the play offs because they've got to play
11 tough games & Miami is going to win some games to.... Baltimore is going to pay him $20M/yr. Do you think Flacco can carry his team?
handswarmer
Rookie
You are correct- nance doesn't mind getting elbowed out of the way by Peter King, Dan Patrick and Bob Costas so he can run around Augusta and suck on Tiger's nutz....
Again, the point was that someone said Dread was stuck in 2009 thinking the Ravens Defense bailed out Joe Flacco in 2012.
I simply said the defense won the 2012 Super Bowl on the goal line at the end of the game, had it gone differently, no one is talking about Joe Flacco.
I used Joe's great play off run of 2011 as evidence. No one was talking about Joe Flacco from September through December except to say he was so bad they fired the OC.
handswarmer
Rookie
The defens gave up about 400 +/- yds a game in the playoffs. They just didn't break in the Red Zone.
And the Ravens offense score in the Red Zone. They scored from out of the Red Zone.
This team is changing the identity to an Offensive team; plus this team will look much different after FA....they're up against the cap big time. Alot of guys need to re-structure, Joe needs to get paid and then luck in the draft.
Except in the play offs, that D made Peyton Manning & Tom Brady look like Matt Schaub.
handswarmer
Rookie
Between the 20, Ravens d was porous
In the Red Zone they were as stiff as 18 yr old Marine on leave.
STEEL BLUE TEXANS
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What great playoff run? The reason no one talked about his 2011 playoffs is because he outplayed Tom Brady on the road and crapped his pants against us the week before in Baltimore. It was the same inconsistent Joe Flacco. Nothing to talk about there. This year, however, he took his game to the next level and showed great consistency after the firing of Cam Cameron.
handswarmer
Rookie
Under Cam Cameron, Joe was inconsistent because of Cam; its apparent after Cam's firing. Excluding the first Denver game under Caldwell (6days after Cam was fired) Joe played 6 games including playoffs and SB.
Under Caldwell avgs:
20 of 34 for 283yds 58% 2.5 TDs .16INT Passer Rating of 110.7
(118 of 202 1703yds 15TDs 1INT over 6 games)
Under Cameron avgs:
21 of 34 for 248yds 60.8% 1.38TDs .69INT Passer Rating of 89.2
(268 of 447 3220yds 18TDs 9INTs over 13 games)
And I don't care for the ELITE title; what really is elite? Gimme a definition...
Elite is whatever the guy arguing says it is, or isn't. One man says he's elite & backs it up with his reasons. Another man says he is not elite & provides his arguments.
It's the same as saying "best QBs in the league" After such a statement, you make your case. Around here, you can't use wins, & you can't use stats. The only thing that counts (since Schaub has done everything else) is wins in big games. That makes Flacco elite.
handswarmer
Rookie
Totally agree- it is opinion driven. ESPN tried to eliminate all doubt wit their QBR formula: it works to a degree but when you have a person 'weighing' plays as to a degree of difficulty, like in diving or gymnastics, it becomes subjective not OBJECTIVE.
Yet even Wins are subjective; was it defense scoring, a special teams play or a Running Back's all world performance?
Again, I could care less about 'elite'....I care about Wins....Flacco is our guy...and we have another Super Bowl trophy...
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
1. Nance is a tool.
2.
Hines is the reason Ed Reed still wears that festive beard. That jaw just didn't heal right did it? Sorry, part of the reason I loved watching the Steelers & Ravens was to see Hines and Ed beat the crap out of each other. The fact that Hines retired made this years match ups NOT as fun for me. Without those two going at it, it was just a football game.3. Polamaulu is a diety who elected to walk among us mere mortals to be the position of free saftey incarnate for the ages and to utterly define the position for generations to come...come to terms with it.
For the record my 2nd oldest Nephew is a Ravens fan...and he thinks Flacco is over rated.
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
Elite: /E/leet. adj. 1. Of or pretaining to a small and exclusive group. 2. Exceptional or better than average. 3. Viewed as superlative to one's peers.
While being a starting WB in the NFL is a very tiny fraternity and being there speaks volumes about how good one is as a college QB; however, of the 32 Teams in the NFL only maybe 4 guys can call be called elite. I'm just sayin'.
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
Quote me: "Flacco & the Ravens WON'T make it to the Superbowl next year. The 2013 Season will have it's ups and down and they'll make the playoffs, but this time next year we won't be talking about the Ravens' winning two in a row."
Feel free to chisel that in stone if you want. I don't think I'll be dining on crow this time next year.
handswarmer
Rookie
1. Nance is a tool.Agreed
2.
3. Polamaulu is a diety who elected to walk among us mere mortals to be the position of free saftey incarnate for the ages and to utterly define the position for generations to come...come to terms with it.Lulu, as I call him, is overrated. He is OLD, SLOW and out of position frequently. If he is diety, he needs to have a last supper and go away
For the record my 2nd oldest Nephew is a Ravens fan...and he thinks Flacco is over rated. Your 2nd oldest Nephew is incorrect- who would he rather have? Tyrod Taylor? LOL
"n'uff said"
handswarmer
Rookie
handswarmer
Rookie
WHO said anything about the 2013 Season?
I expect drastic changes on the Ravens team- look at all the Free Aents they need to sign/fit under the salary cap.
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
1. Hines wasn't a cheap shot artist. Hines was a receiver who knew how to block. Ed was a cheap shot artist who layed in hard blocks from the blind side one time too often and made a big half Korean enemy who when assigned to block elected to knock the piss out of Mr. Ed Reed as his way of saying not only can I give as good as I get, I can BEST you. He's the reason Ed simply does his JOB now rather than trying to deliver those ESPN Highlight reel hits he USED to.
2. We talking about the SAME Troy Polamalu who has been playing with a leg injury this season? How fast could YOU run if I hobbled you? (not that I'm implying that I would) The SAME Troy Polamalu whom Tom Brady says he keeps his eyes on whenever playing the Steelers as he is the conductor of that defense? Dude even a deminished Polamalu is better than Ed Reed. Both are getting into Canton on the first ballot, but Troy's had a MUCH better career. Oh or we talking about the same Troy Polamalu who got one of his homies to go to prison for a double murder which resulted from a bar fight that he ran from? Oh wait...that was Ray Lewis. My bad. Just ribbing you on that one.
3. My Nephew played DB his attitude is that defense wins titles.
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
If Flacco gets his 20 mil a season he will sodomize the rest of the team under the cap. Also expect your offensive co-ordinator to be offered a head coaching job.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
Bubby Brister? Really? That's an insult to Bubby Brister.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Wrong, look at my playoff stats again and where they were ranked in the playoffs. It's right there..they were near the bottom of the 12 teams in every category. Your theory doesn't work no matter the spin. The D made the last stop but that doesn't mean that Flacco didn't cover their tail for a majority of the playoff run. Please stop acting otherwise. You could say any defensive play in any game wins a game if you want to pick and chose but it doesn't bear out the facts of how mediocre to bad they were this year when the offense got rolling.
Total Defense-Yards:
Season 17th
Playoffs--8th out of 12
Rushing Yards:
Season 20th
Playoffs 7th out of 12
Passing Yards:
Season 17th
Playoffs 9th of 12
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
Right now, I think Joe Flacco is the best QB in the league.
But I think Dread makes a good point. Doesn't change my mind, but it's a good point none-the-less.
The Ravens Defense is the reason Flacco was successful in his formative years. Same with Sanchez in his first two years. Flacco grew in that time, Sanchez did not.
Now, you can say the defense isn't what it used to be, because it isn't. But the bottom line is that Winning is the only thing that matters. If the Ravens lost that game, no one would be talking about Flacco & a Brinks truck...... well, they'd be talking about a much smaller Brinks truck. Similar to the deal he turned down. But since they won the Super Bowl, he can pretty much write his own check.
But the game was won with Flacco on the sideline.
The Ravens beat the Broncos & the Patriots... the defense gave up a lot of yards & a lot of points.... but Peyton Manning threw 2 interceptions & fumbled the ball twice. The Patriots didn't score more than 13 points.
You can say the defense didn't do jack & you can post stats, but just like 4000 yards, 22 TDs, 12 Ints, 90.9 QBr ratings don't mean crap to a majority of posters on this board, the stats showing how bad Baltimore's defense was in the play offs aren't telling the whole story.
Again. Joe Flacco is the best QB in the entire league.
If our defense allowed only 13 points to New England & we won the Super Bowl, would we be talking about our SB Champion QB or our bad ass Defense that stumped the 49ers on the goal line?
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
I can't argue with your logic. I still disagree, but I'd tip my hat to you (if I could get a hat over all this hair) for your well structured argument.
handswarmer
Rookie
What team still has a HC position open right now?
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
No offense, but you can't say the stuff your saying and be truthful. The game WASN'T won with him on sideline. You can't just pinpoint that goal line stand and say that he wouldn't have gotten paid. Because he still would have had a 124 QB rating, 11 TDs, 0 ints and they still would have had close to a minute and a half on the clock. You don't know the outcome if they score. Too much time left. They still had to run plays to end it. He'd still be getting paid the same. It is just easier with a SB MVP but them scoring there wouldn't hurt what he did. I can easily say.."defense doesn't have a chance to win the game without 3 first half TDs by Flacco"...see how that works. OR defense and Flacco owe Jacoby. The fact is, Dread was making it seem like the defense made Flacco's life easier all season...THIS season...and they didn't. He was the one carrying the team for the most part down the stretch.
You know how we like to 3itch even if we win right? Had we won that game, like I said... we would be talking about our STs & our defense. Joe Flacco & his offense did not score one TD in the 4th qtr.
Jacoby Jones & his ST Td, Jacoby Jones with his catch & heads up play (thrown by Flacco)...... but from then on, it was the Ravens defense.
We would be 3itching about Kubiak going turtle & Schaub not taking chances as they hoist the Lombardi.
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
Coaches get fired all the time...
Good points, I can't argue & I'm sure Dread is tired of me putting words in his mouth.
But I'd have loved it if our defense held Brady to 13 points. Not that that would have helped Schaub or anything, he'd still have to throw 2 TDs. It would have been nice if our defense could have made a great QB turn the ball over 3 times & almost a 4th. It would have been nice if our defense would have held the opponent to 0 points when they got the ball to the 5 yard line....
But our QB sucks & Joe Flacco is the best in the league (I truly believe the latter).
It doesn't matter what the other 52 guys do as long as your QB has a rocket laser arm & runs like a gazelle.....
Speaking of which, why isn't anyone talking about Collin Kaepernick? Why don't we have a 10 page thread going on about Kaepernick?
Do you think that would be different if their defense could have kept the Ravens out of Field goal range there in the 4th qtr? Would we even have a Flacco thread & a FlaccoFan building a nest here?
handswarmer
Rookie
handswarmer
Rookie
So, a Head Coach is going to be fired between now and Training Camp?
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
I know what you were getting at, I was just debating what I perceived was Dread's premise.
As for the bolded....LOVE the guy...more that RGIII and Wilson. Not that I don't think those guys are studs, I just love Kaepernicks arm, poise, ability to pick up large chunks with his legs without being a "running QB" and I think he does a great job of running without taking hits.
As for Flacco if they lose...this thread might not be here but my argument would be the same...the guy played his tail off the last 7 weeks or so.
They're fun to watch, they add an extra dimension to their offenses. I give them that. But this isn't the first time the league has seen & dealt with QBs like them.
It's just the first time in a while that we've seen so many of them in the same year.
I'd like to see how they do, when their teams try to get more production from the pocket. Inevitably it will happen.
They're going to have to throw the ball in small windows more frequently, then we'll know.
Right now the only that I think has shown the accuracy he'll need has been RG3...... to me.
Agreed, but some people wouldn't see that. Matt Ryan had an amazing run but most have already forgot about it.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
I said that about RGIII the other day. He doesn't need to run if he doesn't have to. He can be a pocket guy. I think Kaepernick can too. He has a big time arm and seemed to really be able to fit some throws into tight spaces...some to Vernon Davis. We will see on Wilson. Like him but not sure if he can be a guy that is pure pocket. Will always need to roll out as much as possible in my book.