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Stupor Bowl Ring Not withstanding Joe Flacco STILL aint that great
- Thread starter Dread-Head
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srrono
All Pro
Alex Dunlap ‏@AlexDunlapNFL
Ravens gotta be nervous as hell w/ the idea of making Flacco-14th in 2012 yds,15th in TDs behind Fitzpatrick/Freeman-highest paid NFL player
DEFINE ELITE. "Elite in the NFL means, at its most lenient, the top 10 percent of players at the position. Of 32 starting quarterbacks, "elite" would refer to just three. No sane person would take Joe Flacco over Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Drew Brees right now. (For the future, sure, but not for next season). Joe Flacco is not elite. Only three QBs are ever elite in a given season. It's just simple logic.''
-- From Jon Miller, Currituck, N.C.
Ravens gotta be nervous as hell w/ the idea of making Flacco-14th in 2012 yds,15th in TDs behind Fitzpatrick/Freeman-highest paid NFL player
DEFINE ELITE. "Elite in the NFL means, at its most lenient, the top 10 percent of players at the position. Of 32 starting quarterbacks, "elite" would refer to just three. No sane person would take Joe Flacco over Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Drew Brees right now. (For the future, sure, but not for next season). Joe Flacco is not elite. Only three QBs are ever elite in a given season. It's just simple logic.''
-- From Jon Miller, Currituck, N.C.
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
Consider something. Vonte Leech and Bernard Pollard are both former Texans. Go back over my post and see if I've called either of them "Judas", traitors or anything else disparaging. Don't waste your time. I haven't. They are class acts and as a Texans/Steeler fan I BEGRUDGINGLY tip my hat to them.
Judas Jones on the other hand... will be doing tripple toe loops skating hell before that muff-hugga gets a subatomic particle of respect from MY blagg-azz Duck him!
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
This is the POINT of my initial post. Thank you sir. Handswarmer WOULD pick Flacco over the three others you mentioned.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Consider something. Vonte Leech and Bernard Pollard are both former Texans. Go back over my post and see if I've called either of them "Judas", traitors or anything else disparaging. Don't waste your time. I haven't. They are class acts and as a Texans/Steeler fan I BEGRUDGINGLY tip my hat to them.
Judas Jones on the other hand... will be doing tripple toe loops skating hell before that muff-hugga gets a subatomic particle of respect from MY blagg-azz Duck him!
How is a guy a "Judas" when he is cut and goes and gets a job and does well?If anything be peeved at the coaching not getting the best out of the guy or maybe a change of scenery helped.
handswarmer
Rookie
Wow- fans of the other 30 teams are so happy you have been tracking that stat over the years, freeing them up to have other things to do
Like drink Purple Passsion drinks- that leave a RING.....
handswarmer
Rookie
By that definition, I am sure I could find at least 5 stats that Flacco is top 10 in...so I think very little about the stats because I can manipulate them to say anything.
Flacco beat Brees in 2010, Manning and Brady (2 times) in succession in 2012-13.
handswarmer
Rookie
Consider something. Vonte Leech and Bernard Pollard are both former Texans. Go back over my post and see if I've called either of them "Judas", traitors or anything else disparaging. Don't waste your time. I haven't. They are class acts and as a Texans/Steeler fan I BEGRUDGINGLY tip my hat to them.
Judas Jones on the other hand... !
I never said anything about those guys but I do love me some Jacoby
toronto
Hall of Fame
Internet yawn. Have fun.
handswarmer
Rookie
Of course I would- all the yards they threw for ddn't get them crapola....Manning hasn't won in 5 years, Brady in 9 years nd Brees hasn't won in 3 years....
Joe has been unleashed since Cameron was let go....
CretorFrigg
Fire Rick Smith
Did you see that muff Jacoby made when attempting to return the punt? You guys were lucky the punter outkicked the return team. That could've been really bad for you guys if the gunners ran just a little bit faster.
handswarmer
Rookie
Believe me I am all about the fun
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
So it's not the Leeeeeeeeast bit suspicious that the team whom benefitted from his "juggling" act 
via a trip to the AFC championship picked him up? I thought you picked up the free agents whose brilliant play HINDERED you not those whose sucky play HELPED you. I.E if Brady says "F Belecheat. I'm DONE with the Patriots" and becomes a free agent the Texans would be wise to offer him damn near ANYTHING.
Idiocy on the other hand would be picking up a free agent kicker who when he faced them shanked EVERY kick over 30 yards including one which could have delivered the game to his team.
Hey Judas Jones aka Jacoby Iscariot found a home and now has a stupor bowl ring. Had he the wisdom to NOT try to catch a football with a defender stading DIRECTLY in front on him,
maybe he would have gotten one last year...and Mr. Andre Johnson might have one too. That's all I'm sayin'.
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
Uh...Brady was in the Superbowl last year brough-ham...and this is the first time in a LONG time that your Carrion gave him a much needed a$$-whipping. If memory serves me he went last year after beating up on your carrion. You're getting a bit ahead of yourself man. Say what you want about Thomasina Brady, but she took her team to FIVE Superbowls and won THREE of them. Flacco's been to one. Your team's amazing defense is why they are consistently in the playoffs. You could replace Flacco with Chaim Abromowitz an asthmatic 14 year old from Temple Emanuel HS in Flushing, Queens, NY and do roughly the same thing. He's got no reason to be conceited...he aint that great. The man is an "adequate" QB on a team with a BRILLIANT defense.
handswarmer
Rookie
Uh Brough-ham; re-read what I wrote- "Brady hasn't won (A Super Bowl) in 9 years)"...Brady went to the SB because a crap WR couldn't hold on to a pass a stinkin' kicker shanked a 32 yd FG...
This part is so full of stupid I cannot even begin to formulate a reply....
silvrhand
All Pro
Agreed, some sour grapes going on around here. Flacco won, and drove his team to the win, cause the defense wasn't playing all that hot in the superbowl, that's for sure.
Goatcheese
Texan
Still seems like that should have been a penalty. The returner has the opportunity to catch the ball until it hits the ground and the defender interfered with him.
HJam72
Hall of Fame
Flacco just had a very Joe Montana-like playoff run, ending with becoming the SB MVP. I can, for now, question whether he's really that good or just had a great run at just the right time, but I can't say he hasn't played like a superstar when it counted. Sure like to see Schaub do that, even if we go in as a Wild-Card team, but it's hard to imagine him actually doing it.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
If Lee Evans didn't drop the winning pass in the end zone last year he is probably in his second consecutive SB to boot. It was a beautiful pass (watch the video).
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
Well try not to be as stupid as the drinks namesake a take taxi home instead getting a DUI like JaDopey did.
As far as flacco goes I thought he was a dud thru out hus careers but he stepped up BIgTime when it mattered most. He's gonna cash in big time. Good for him he earned it. I wouldn't put him in manning or Brady's class but he's champion just like they were.
handswarmer
Rookie
The elimination of Cam Cameron from calling theplays allowed th ball to be in Joe's hands at he nd of the seaon. Look at the playcalling and results since Caldwell took over the playcalling. I throw out the 1st Denver game because it was Caldwells 1st game and he only had 6 days to prepare. After that he and Joe were lights out.
handswarmer
Rookie
Ididn't drive down; my buddy did. We stayed till about 7pm and let after the traffic died down. We ate dinner and watched the NFL Network all day long. Place was packed with Ravens fans all day long too....a couple of thepractice squad guys came in and acted all big-time...funny to watch people slobber all over them.
Joe had dud games for sure; just when you see him drive 98 yds vs the Steelers in Pittsburgh on SNF fr the win with :08 seconds left, he goes out and lays an egg vs Jacksonville on MNF the following week, losin to a bottom feeder. I honestly believe it was Cameron holdinghim back; his repoire with Caldwell is unreal....and I do not necessarily believe he is ther yet with anning and Brady because of ther body of work, but he did beat Brady the last three times and beat Manning in his house tis year.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
The worst part about Dread's argument, besides minimizing the accomplishment, is the idea that the D just bails him out.
Total Defense-Yards:
Season 17th
Playoffs--8th out of 12
Rushing Yards:
Season 20th
Playoffs 7th out of 12
Passing Yards:
Season 17th
Playoffs 9th of 12
Total Defense-Yards:
Season 17th
Playoffs--8th out of 12
Rushing Yards:
Season 20th
Playoffs 7th out of 12
Passing Yards:
Season 17th
Playoffs 9th of 12
Had the D allowed SF to score there at the end, on the goal line, it wouldnt be any different than last year & we'd be talking about him as much as we are talking about Kaepernick.
toronto
Hall of Fame
Had I picked different lotto numbers last Saturday my wife could quit her job search too.
Doesn't change the fact that the defense bailed them out.
toronto
Hall of Fame
That defense gave up almost 500 yards and nearly lost a 22 point lead. The man had a lights out post season and earned that ring. Vinnys point about that Lee Evans drop, forget he act that Billy Cundiff blew a chip shot to send to OT...and we may be talking about a 2 time champ for all we know, rendering this thread completely moot.
I never give a raven his due unless its deserved. I hate the fkn team. In his case, he's earned it. Elite? Dunno. But way up there? Yes.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
You're kidding right? His argument was that the Ravens D is so dominant every year that being QB is easy. The stats I posted and games this year and in playoffs prove otherwise. Taking one series and saying "not true" is beyond ridiculous....especially after losing a 3 TD lead.
Beat me to it
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
The spoils of victory...
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/65366/making-the-case-for-joe-flaccos-demands
I'm just arguing the point. Not taking anything away from Flacco. He played very well last year & should have been in the Super Bowl 10 weeks ago we were debating who was better, flacco os Schaub. Had he lost in the Super Bowl it would have been the same thing. Nobody cares abound the loser.
Had the Ravens D not nutted up on the goal line, nobody would be talking Flacco today & nobody would think he had management bent over.
toronto
Hall of Fame
look you can argue...but I would counter argue that say Lee Evans holds onto that pass. They win it all last year vs the Giants. He never gets franchised and gets his big deal after the SB last year...then he repeats his year. He is suddenly in the pantheon conversation reserved for only truly great QBs..as one hat repeated as champ, which is very rare in the NFL.
The what ifs are everywhere.
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
Uh Brough-ham; re-read what I wrote- "Brady hasn't won (A Super Bowl) in 9 years)"...Brady went to the SB because a crap WR couldn't hold on to a pass a stinkin' kicker shanked a 32 yd FG...
And PRIOR to this one...when was the last time your Ravens PLAYED in one? ASK ANY football fan outside of Maryland if they had a choice between Tom Brady as their QB or Joltin' Joe Flacco, Flacco would lose UNANIMOUSLY. Brady LOST his last two trips to the Superbowl to Eli Manning, but unlike Joe Flacco and the Baltimore Ravens...he was IN the SUPERBOWL rather than watching it from his couch. Last year when Thomasina LOST her 2nd Superbowl in FIVE TRIPS. What was Joe Flacco doing...I mean OTHER than routing for the Giants? Please don't play the "The Patriots only won..." card pal. Your team was offsides for the bulk of the the superbowl they just "won" and in San Francisco's last offensive stand defensive Pass Interference and HOLDING were ignored on consecutive plays. And the fact that one of your DBs shoved an official and wasn't ejected forfiets your right to play the "victim" card. Like it or not, last year the Patriots were the last team standing in the AFC.
Winning 3 out of 5 puts Brady (as much as I LOATHE the Son of a 3itch) up there with Elway who went to SIX and won two. He's a fierce competitor and a great athlete. Joe Flacco is a mediocre QB on a team with a BRILLIANT defense. DEAL WITH IT!
handswarm said:This part is so full of stupid I cannot even begin to formulate a reply....
Accepting the truth bothers you? Be a bit more pragmatic. Try some simple math problems to relax. Here's one:Great Defense
+ Great Running back
+ Great Receiver
+ Mediocre QB
+ Commissioner who is a total fan of a retiring player
+ Blind referees
=
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
(cough)passinterferenceandholdingonconsecutiveplaysrefsdidn'tcall!
Luv_ya_blue
Truth, Love, Faith & Obedience - Christianity 101
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
And PRIOR to this one...when was the last time your Ravens PLAYED in one? ASK ANY football fan outside of Maryland if they had a choice between Tom Brady as their QB or Joltin' Joe Flacco, Flacco would lose UNANIMOUSLY. Brady LOST his last two trips to the Superbowl to Eli Manning, but unlike Joe Flacco and the Baltimore Ravens...he was IN the SUPERBOWL rather than watching it from his couch. Last year when Thomasina LOST her 2nd Superbowl in FIVE TRIPS. What was Joe Flacco doing...I mean OTHER than routing for the Giants? Please don't play the "The Patriots only won..." card pal. Your team was offsides for the bulk of the the superbowl they just "won" and in San Francisco's last offensive stand defensive Pass Interference and HOLDING were ignored on consecutive plays. And the fact that one of your DBs shoved an official and wasn't ejected forfiets your right to play the "victim" card. Like it or not, last year the Patriots were the last team standing in the AFC.
Winning 3 out of 5 puts Brady (as much as I LOATHE the Son of a 3itch) up there with Elway who went to SIX and won two. He's a fierce competitor and a great athlete. Joe Flacco is a mediocre QB on a team with a BRILLIANT defense. DEAL WITH IT!
Great Defense
+ Great Running back
+ Great Receiver
+ Mediocre QB
+ Commissioner who is a total fan of a retiring player
+ Blind referees
=
Again, strike your great defense claim...read the last posts above and on previous page and strike the conspiracies. This just looks foolish with no rational thought.
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
They way I learned it...the second ANY part of the receiver's body touches the football you can light him up. If one of his fingernails touches the ball...SHOWTIME (kablammo!)
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
Atlanta has a great defense and had the BEST record in the NFL this season. SanFrancisco's offense came back on them too. You're acting as if the offense that Raven's defense faced was from Ryan Middle School. They CLEARLY weren't.
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
Thank you reverend. I thought I was simply being an "irrational" conspiracy theorist.
handswarmer
Rookie
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
AGAIN,..look at playoff numbers too. Not a dominant D. Not close. The Cowboys racked up a record 229 rushing yards on them this year. Not the same D and not a valid point at all. Just like the PI call. Look at the different replays. Crabtree had the guys jersey and helmet and was pushing. The ball landed 5 yards out of bounds. Good no call. Don't let hate cloud any sense of reality. Flacco had a record playoffs vs the top 3 teams in the league and had been doing this for 7 games total. He was a drop away last year. He isn't great every game, he isn't elite but downplaying what he did and has done makes zero sense. Just like calling Jacoby a Judas. Judas betrayed someone close to him when he was still "with them." Jesus didn't cut him from the apostles where he excelled as a preacher elsewhere. Jacoby did well where he went. Be mad at the Texans for not teaching their players right.
Total Defense-Yards:
Season 17th
Playoffs--8th out of 12
Rushing Yards:
Season 20th
Playoffs 7th out of 12
Passing Yards:
Season 17th
Playoffs 9th of 12
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
Please do not bring logic to a "delusional" rant!
PS-
In YOUR mind's eye...Joe Flacco is a SUPERIOR QUARTERBACK to BOTH Tom Brady & Payton Manning. 
and I'm the one who's "Delusional?!"Muff-hugga If nothing else I have to give you mad props on your ability to type so legibly with one hand whilst obviously cradling your MASSIVE CRACK PIPE with the other.
handswarmer
Rookie
And PRIOR to this one...when was the last time your Ravens PLAYED in one? ASK ANY football fan outside of Maryland if they had a choice between Tom Brady as their QB or Joltin' Joe Flacco, Flacco would lose UNANIMOUSLY. Brady LOST his last two trips to the Superbowl to Eli Manning, but unlike Joe Flacco and the Baltimore Ravens...he was IN the SUPERBOWL rather than watching it from his couch. Last year when Thomasina LOST her 2nd Superbowl in FIVE TRIPS. What was Joe Flacco doing...I mean OTHER than routing for the Giants? Please don't play the "The Patriots only won..." card pal. Your team was offsides for the bulk of the the superbowl they just "won" and in San Francisco's last offensive stand defensive Pass Interference and HOLDING were ignored on consecutive plays. And the fact that one of your DBs shoved an official and wasn't ejected forfiets your right to play the "victim" card. Like it or not, last year the Patriots were the last team standing in the AFC.
Winning 3 out of 5 puts Brady (as much as I LOATHE the Son of a 3itch) up there with Elway who went to SIX and won two. He's a fierce competitor and a great athlete. Joe Flacco is a mediocre QB on a team with a BRILLIANT defense. DEAL WITH IT!
Great Defense
+ Great Running back
+ Great Receiver
+ Mediocre QB
+ Commissioner who is a total fan of a retiring player
+ Blind referees
=
Crack is a terrible thing. The only thing you got right which is indisputable, is that Carey Williams should have been ejected for shoving the referee- bet he gets at least a $75,000 fine.
Other than that, the rest of your crap, er, post, is just sour grapes and whining. You are pisseed that a team you destroyed in the regular season went and beat the team that you got pummeled by 2x in the regular seaon. An you and a lot of oter Texans fans are bitter, thinking that you could have beaten us at home in the Playoffs. Sorry dude, that Ravens team wasn't going to lose to anyone this post-season.
Flacco did what Brady, Manning 2x, Rodgers, Brees and Baby Ben couldn't: he tied Joe Montana for the most TD's and zero INTS in a postseason.....Flacco is in the Top 6-8 of QB's in the NFL- the actuall rank doesn't concern me. Either if he is "ELITE" or not.....who really cares? Look at your boy Schaub- guady numbers out the wazoo; where is he in the big games? Crappy his pants?
What does matter to me is that he wins, is successful, and the team makes the playoffs and wins in the post season.
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
"Excelled"? Woah...pump your breaks. One good season isn't "excelling" His overall numbers are down from what they were when he was here.
handswarmer
Rookie
Muff-hugga If nothing else I have to give you mad props on your ability to type so legibly with one hand whilst obviously cradling your MASSIVE CRACK PIPE with the other.
Please find where I wrote "Joe Flacco is SUPERIOR to Tom Brady and Peyton Manning"
Pssst- he did beat both of them in THEIR house during the playoffs.....
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Your missing the point. I was just saying that he didn't get cut and go elsewhere and help them in a big situation or excel. He was a top/Pro Bowl returner this year and showed up in the playoffs and SB. Doesn't make him a traitor for getting work when he was out of work.
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
Okay. 3itching ME out personally is one thing. I've no issue you calling me out given the nature of this thread and I have a thick skin & accept the full brunt of your ire, but the board where you're trashing OTHER Texans fans is still called "Texans Talk". Do yourself a huge favor and limit your attacks TO me on this one. Within the ranks of this board some die hard Texans fans are agreeing with you on some of your stuff. Don't say anything that might lose you some friends.
warmhands said:
YOUR OPINION. Simply repeating it over and over won't make it true.
warminghands on his junk said:
Brady has three rings in five trips.
The Manning brothers have three between them
Montana has FOUR
Ben has 2 out of three.
Joe Flacco is not the superior much less the EQUAL of any of the QBs YOU just mentioned. You might as well say that Larry Brown is as great a DB as Deion Sanders because he got three interceptions in the ONE Superbowl in which he played and got MVP.
warmhans said:
What color is the sky in your world?Warmhands...or whatever this muff-hugga calls himself said:
Son, If you think you're going to offend me by dissin' Matt Schaub...you ARE on drugs. There is a long line of Texans fans on this board who do the same thing DAILY. Get in line to diss Schaub and wait your turn. I've been badmouthin' Dog Boy's back up since he came here from Atlanta. Maybe your carrion should make him a back up to the "greatest QB in NFL History" aka Joe Flacco so you can sing his praises if he ever lucks up and happens to catch mad breaks from an officiating crew that does acid before a game.whatever said:
"Wins?"...No bruh...WON. Relish this. It aint happening again.
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
Please find where I wrote "Joe Flacco is SUPERIOR to Tom Brady and Peyton Manning"
Pssst- he did beat both of them in THEIR house during the playoffs.....
You're putting him on the same plane...he's not even close. BTW I HATE Tom Brady with a PASSION. Acknowleging that 3itches greatness leaves a foul taste in my mouth.
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
Had he gone anywhere else I wouldn't have had a problem. The team whom he helped to knock us out of the playoffs however looks beyond suspicious to me. I've nothing but love and respect to Leach and Pollard in their new home but sorry...J.J. can kiss my muff-huggin' rectum.