ATXtexanfan
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State of the Oline is no better than last year
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State of the O-line
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leebigeztx
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Made no sense
badboy
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I'm disagreeing with many here as I thought o'line looked much better than last season especially losing Henderson and moving D to right tackle. Rankins was evaluated prior to draft as being able to play RT as well as LT. I was surprised that he didn't go to RT. Being thought of as the swing seems to agree with my thoughts. Davenport pressures allowed was a big part on Watson not getting rid of ball timely. #4 said so himself. D only allowed one of three sacks IIRC.
O'Brien mentioned Rankins appears more comfortable on the left side. Also, I vaguely recall some posts mentioning that based on Rankins' injury, he might be more effective playing on the left side.
It's only one game, but Davenport didn't show me anything at LT that would make me think he should stay at LT. In fact, I felt the OL played better with Rankins at LT and Davenport at RT.
It's only one game, but Davenport didn't show me anything at LT that would make me think he should stay at LT. In fact, I felt the OL played better with Rankins at LT and Davenport at RT.
So did they move Davenport because he sucked or because Rankin is more comfortable at LT?
I wasn't clear on that.
Even in limited preseason action, Rankins played LG and LT. So, take it for what it's worth, but it appears Rankin playing LT was their backup plan.
Oh ok, that makes sense with Lamm being the backup RT.
Unfortunately I think we'll see a lot of Lamm next week.
Texansballer74
The Marine
A. Rodgers oline is getting him killed.
It's funny how the Packers always seems to find WRs. Yet, regardless of the GM cannot find OLs or decent RBs.
edo783
Hall of Fame
The online play was much better than some have reported. Most of the time Watson had 3 seconds to get rid of the ball. Not ideal, but ok. DWs indecisiveness coupled with the WRs not getting separation caused the passing game to be very ragged. The run game seemed to fair better with some actual holes for the RB to run through. Unlike last year. I watched Davenport at LT on a few passing plays, and he held his own on the ones I saw.
Both
Both
Check out how many times Watson moves (Not rolls out) to his right.
These are the Pats and BB is a witch so it may not be this bad all season
Bad thing is with Henderson going down, they are 1 OT injury away from Lamm being the starter. (Yuk) Hope Watson can stay healthy.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
O-line looked ok actually..I thought the biggest issue today for us was we were out of sync from having not played together too much in the preseason.
They gave up so many sacks b/c Watson held the ball too long at times and we didn’t commit to the run game enough...
There were some big holes and Miller/Blue did well running.
Think we’ll be fine upfront. Get the run game and the intermediate pass game going and we’re ok.
They gave up so many sacks b/c Watson held the ball too long at times and we didn’t commit to the run game enough...
There were some big holes and Miller/Blue did well running.
Think we’ll be fine upfront. Get the run game and the intermediate pass game going and we’re ok.
Got outcoached and turned the ball over. Receipe for a L, you have to play a perfect game to beat the Pats in Foxboro.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
The fact that the Patriots essentially chose not to blitz in the game places even more of a blight on the OL's and Watson's performance.
Mr teX
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the 1st offensive play of the game/season was a freaking TO. What's more is it's off a play type that Watson has probably run a couple hundred times in his career. That play had nothing directly to do with BoB...or the o-line. The whole team from the jump was just out of sync and not ready for "live bullets" &That play illustrates it.
I guess I'm confused when you say the offense's "rusty" play had nothing "directly" to do with O'Brien. Isn't he the guy responsible for getting the offense ready to play?
I know it wasn't a giant leap …. but OB sucks the wind outa this team. Time to break out the pink soap.
#Team Bleach.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I think the OL performed ok in Game 1. The injury to Henderson could've been worse but the guys were opening holes and Miller / Blue were taking advantage of their chances.
Like I stated before, I'd give the OL a few games before I start with any real praises or criticisms.
Like I stated before, I'd give the OL a few games before I start with any real praises or criticisms.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
Exactly why they needed extended playing time in the preseason. Even in the third game against the Rams, where they should have played into the third quarter if not a full half. They came out after a couple series.
All around the league every other NFL team took the third preseason game a lot more seriously than we did, including the Patriots. Every team is rusty early on but we looked a lot more rusty than almost any other team. And we still barely lost 27-20 with the ball in our hands late in that game. Imagine if we had been better prepared?
Bill O'Brien did not have this team ready to play Week 1.
He also showed a lot of poor in-game coaching all game long.
We lost 27-20. I blame O'Brien for the loss...
It's his job to put the team in position to win. He did the opposite.
I didn't think they were very good …. the Pats didn't blitz much yet Watson always had people around his feet and was constantly contained when he tried to scramble - We didn't see him get outside at all , big reason for that was the Pats defensive scheme and execution of that scheme. They didn't run themselves out of the play and collapsed the pocket and the Texans OL put up little resistance.
Sure they opened a few holes on the ground but it seemed to me that the Pats were giving them that after getting a lead …. Rankin can run block but cant pass protect to save his ass. Davenport was decent again.
While *I* agree with you, Watson says the poor O-line play is on him.
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But this bothered me more than anything else that was said.
Q: How did you feel with your first full game and what are some things that went well and some things that didn't go well?
DW: For me, personally, I think it was terrible on my part. So you can just - I just feel like you can put the ‘L' on me because I'll be way better than what I showed today. Just my energy was low and just overthinking the little things.
Dammit, they're supposed to wring out these hiccups in preseason!!
Shishkabob
All Pro
when you haven't played a real game in over 10 months, and you get 5 series all preseason you are probably going to look off. At least that's what I'm hoping it is.
What Watson is saying is what I've been trying to say and some posters continue to live in denial. Now that Watson has said it, maybe they will realize Watson was below avg yesterday. Partly because of it being his 1st game back after the ACL. IMHO
He was rusty.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Directly...meaning BoB himself wasn't out there executing the play. That's squarely on Watson as was the ill-advised throw to Vyncint Smith. At the end of the day, the only thing that i really fault BoB for was not giving these guys more reps in the preseason...when you know you've got a brand new o-line to mesh & a young qb coming off an injury. Watson should've played a helluva lot more in the preseason if for nothing else, b/c of the 2 reasons above.
I've read on this website from a few talking about how preseason reps wouldn't have made much of a difference b/c of the BoB factor...& its comical to me when you have pro ball players saying the direct opposite. Shannon Sharpe was on Gameday prime after the games last night...the 1st thing he said in his "thoughts on the season thus far" question was "Coaches, i'm gonna need you guys to start playing your young qbs in the preseason...you get better at playing football.....by playing football."
Texansballer74
The Marine
Watson was not rusty. He wasn't mentally prepared. Thus the reason why he held onto the ball too long, not trusting his eyes and push poor accuracy.
The lack of reps with this new line attributed to all of that. That's solely on Bill Obrien who is notorious for not having his team ready to play.
The lack of reps with this new line attributed to all of that. That's solely on Bill Obrien who is notorious for not having his team ready to play.
He's right , he did hold the ball too long on several occasions …. but that ability to generate positive yards when the play breaks down is what makes him special and the Pats completely negated that by their gameplan , they didn't let him do anything outside the pocket and kept him bottled up between the tackles almost the entire game. That limits the amount of time he has to make something happen because he cant get outside and do what he does.
The Texans OT's didn't force those outside rushers beyond and out of the play (and Watson didn't get rid of it quickly). It was those outside rushers who kept him in the pocket. They were really disciplined with their rush and never took themselves out of the play.
Basically the Pats used Watson's greatest strength against him …. and the Texans didn't adjust. Just like I said in the lets predict thread , OB was out coached , out schemed and out game planned.
Turning the ball over was the main reason they lost the game. Watson has to clean that up or it will be a long season. What adjustments would you have suggested BOB make?
Well, that's not what Watson himself said, but you know best.
Move the pocket with bootlegs, use bubble screens, slants and other short passes to slow the pass rush down. Use 2 TE sets more often. Get your QB into a good rhythm before trying the RPO stuff, throw the challenge flag on a very questionable "catch". I can mention more, but you get the idea.
Shishkabob
All Pro
similar adjustments to what the patriots were doing to help their line. Leave TEs in some, use them and the rbs to chip and leak out late. Don't keep running misdirection when the pats have proven time and time and time again that they will play disciplined.
Move the pocket with bootlegs, use bubble screens, slants and other short passes to slow the pass rush down. Use 2 TE sets more often. Get your QB into a good rhythm before trying the RPO stuff, throw the challenge flag on a very questionable "catch". I can mention more, but you get the idea.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
The Pats were diciplined in defense. They mush rushed him & kept him in the pocket. They tried several screens, 2 i believe to Nuk with limited success. The RPO stuff...Watson ran that stuff all throughout college & that's about as comfy as you can get. Short passes would've worked except Watson himself admitted that he was holding onto the ball too long at times & his accuracy wasn't exactly what we've seen from him.
You can only roll the pocket so many times before teams start to catch on. furthermore doing that stuff limits Watson's reads to 1/2 the field.
Just bad all around football from everyone involved.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Henderson out for year per OB’s press conference right now.
It boils down to play calling. OB didn't call much that got Watson out in space away from that rush , the typical roll outs that he made big plays on time and again last year - OB kept him in the pocket running that misdirection zone read over and over. He's just not very creative ….
#Need a real NFL OC.
Didn't see your post until I responded to SB …. but you nailed it.
OB let the Pats dictate everything rather than forcing them to defend Watson's strengths. Lets stand in the pocket and chuck and duck.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Bwhahaha I'm the one that quoted Watson. You're the one that thinks you know everything . And Watson did not sat last years injury was the reason for his bad performance, you did.
Texansballer74
The Marine
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Never had a doubt...........high ankle sprain/fractures do that...........ask Martin x 2.
Shishkabob
All Pro
unfortunately for him, with his history in the league and him only having a 1 year deal here I think it probably will lead to the end of his career
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I don't think his career will end there. And I believe the Texans will try to bring him back next year to see if he was able to overcome the injury.
Shishkabob
All Pro
We have an extra second rounder to play with, problem is it is early in the season so no team is going just give up after week 1. I don't see any lineman of worth being traded this early if at all, but stranger things have happened i suppose
I dont know everything, I dont know why you have that opinion of me.
But history of players that have ACL injuries says that they're always better in their 2nd yr than their 1st after surgery. I'm not saying Watson wont be effective or get better as the yr goes on. But Adrian Peterson not withstanding yr 2 is when you really get back the player you saw in those 7 games.
This could be because BOB is trying to protect Watson coming off of the ACL. But I do agree with you.
Yes I like seeing elite coaches coach.
In fact I like seeing people who are elite in any field their in work.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Rankin is the LT folks. He's the best lineman we have. Davenport was getting beat like a drum. The inside guys were battling. I'll give that alignment a game or two before I start tinkering.
Shishkabob
All Pro
Rankin is a rookie, he will make rookie mistakes but I think he played well yesterday considering he missed most the off season, and he wasn't getting many practice reps in preparation for this game