JJ makes him $$$$
Of course he's going to pay the face of the franchise. Just like he's going to pay Watson.
# 7th lowest payroll. 1.5 from 5th lowest payroll. Tells you what you need to know.
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JJ makes him $$$$
Of course he's going to pay the face of the franchise. Just like he's going to pay Watson.
# 7th lowest payroll. 1.5 from 5th lowest payroll. Tells you what you need to know.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
To be fair to SteelB, he has used half a dozen teams in their apex moments to bash McNair and Smith. Jags, Patriots, Eagles, Seahawks, Packers, Broncos roll of the top of the head fairly easy. He isn't a fan of the Jags. They are just convenient for his current narrative.
Texansballer74
The Marine
https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2018/03/14/new-york-giants-houston-texans-left-battling-nate-solder/
The New York Giants entered the league’s legal tampering period with All-Pro guard Andrew Norwell as their No. 1 target, and they were widely considered the favorites to sign him.
After missing out on Andrew Norwell, Giants put in call to Nate Solder
That did not happen. Instead, the Jacksonville Jaguars surprised everyone when they swooped in and agreed to terms with Norwell, making him the highest-paid guard in the NFL.
As a result, general manager Dave Gettleman and the Giants were left reeling. They quickly turned their attention to offensive lineman Chris Hubbard (Pittsburgh Steelers), but he promptly agreed to terms with the Cleveland Browns.
With little meat left on the bone that is the offensive line market, it forced the Giants to go “all in” on the best remaining player: tackle Nate Solder of the New England Patriots.
As of Wednesday morning, just hours before the official start to free agency, the Giants and Houston Texans are considered the favorites to land Solder, with some reporting the Giants are offering upwards of $14 million per year.
The New York Giants entered the league’s legal tampering period with All-Pro guard Andrew Norwell as their No. 1 target, and they were widely considered the favorites to sign him.
After missing out on Andrew Norwell, Giants put in call to Nate Solder
That did not happen. Instead, the Jacksonville Jaguars surprised everyone when they swooped in and agreed to terms with Norwell, making him the highest-paid guard in the NFL.
As a result, general manager Dave Gettleman and the Giants were left reeling. They quickly turned their attention to offensive lineman Chris Hubbard (Pittsburgh Steelers), but he promptly agreed to terms with the Cleveland Browns.
With little meat left on the bone that is the offensive line market, it forced the Giants to go “all in” on the best remaining player: tackle Nate Solder of the New England Patriots.
As of Wednesday morning, just hours before the official start to free agency, the Giants and Houston Texans are considered the favorites to land Solder, with some reporting the Giants are offering upwards of $14 million per year.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Double post!
But nobody is lying to you Steel. It's so easy to hit Mr. Google up
But nobody is lying to you Steel. It's so easy to hit Mr. Google up
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Tells me he is an astute manager - gotta pay Clowney next and that will likely be big $$$.
He also payed Nuk well - 81 mill over 5 years.
Nothing wrong with paying stars - all teams do it. Now, if he had not payed JJ what he did, your argument would look more logical.
I would let Clowney walk if it meant I could find an all pro OL.
That article told the truth. If a team wants to pay a player they will find a way.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
Ugh, I hate getting dragged into SteelB rants... but his logic is so way off, I can't help but respond.
This is where the Texans rank since 2011 in regards to the LEAST amount of cap space available.
2011 - 6th
2012 - 20th (still below avg)
2013 - 10th
2014 - 12th
2015 - 8th
2016 - 10th
2017 - 24th (still below avg)
2018 - 29th
In 2012, we were 20th, but were still OVER the cap and below the league average in regards to cap space available.
In 2017, we were 24th, but still below the league average of cap space available.
The Texans Org has routinely spent the money they were allotted to acquire players. This year has been an anomaly.
This is where the Texans rank since 2011 in regards to the LEAST amount of cap space available.
2011 - 6th
2012 - 20th (still below avg)
2013 - 10th
2014 - 12th
2015 - 8th
2016 - 10th
2017 - 24th (still below avg)
2018 - 29th
In 2012, we were 20th, but were still OVER the cap and below the league average in regards to cap space available.
In 2017, we were 24th, but still below the league average of cap space available.
The Texans Org has routinely spent the money they were allotted to acquire players. This year has been an anomaly.
Two times in the top 10, never in the top5.
3 times in the 20's
The rest in the 10-12 range.
Speaks for itself and certainly wont bring a championship to the city. # Frugal
See I took it easy on you. LOL
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
So obviously you know the Patriots are consistent top spenders, right?
No, you're just pulling this out of your nether orifice.
Edit - Oh what the hell (2011-18):
11, 12, 23, 7, 18, 19, 11, 21
Your spending theory has no merit.
The Pats are the exception to the rule.
Go look at the final 4 teams last yr. 3 of them have spent big $$$$ in FA.
2 of them spent big $$$$ in FA this yr. (Cousins/Minny) (Jags/Norwell)
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I'm not doing any more homework for you. You haven't done it yourself and are just guessing. Getting one big FA doesn't mean their overall spending is high.
FuzzyLogic
Mathematically Possible
You guys are caught in the SteelB death spiral - you KNOW if we had signed both Norwell and Solder for the money they got he would be on here "LOL, paid to much for a mediocre tackle, we'll be in cap hell for years. This isn't how a franchise wins, a decade of proof. Yada yada"
Texansballer74
The Marine
I did his homework for him and posted that link along with the article. And no thank you. Actually ignored it and moved on to another guess. Hahaha
Wrong
Just look at the link CND provided.
The total $$$$ spent by the Jags/Vikings. The Eagles got their cap down by letting some guys walk and replacing them with draft picks.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Doc done added to Steel's fuel. Hahaha
Forget all the other known facts.
Forget all the other known facts.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
So the losers spent money and the winner did not.
The Eagles spent $$$$ they just cut/let walk guys like Curry/Kendriocks/Burtn/Smith etc...to get the payroll down.
Point is if you want to play with the big boys you gotta spend like the big boys. Or have BB as your GM/HC and a GOAT QB.
BTW, I loved BB trading for Trent Brown. Wish the Texans would've considered it. When's the last time the Texans have done something like this? The Eagles/Pats/Vikings all have supplemented their rosters this offseason thru trades. Or atleast tried to. Worley burned the Eagles.
Its pretty much a known fact that this franchise has been a hot mess from day one to the present. Bob has handcuffed coaches with poor GM's from the get go with Casserly sucking the air out of the building then we get Tricky Rick ….. who wasn't much if any better.
Lets hope the new clown in charge doesn't perform down to their historical level of suckitude.
I almost don't care …. just cant get excited about sports like I used to.
There was a time I loved watching and playing these silly games , now I just …. don't have time , I'll watch it on DVR when its convenient …. maybe.
Its almost sad when you know my history around the game ….
dream_team
Hall of Fame
What it says is 5 out of 8 seasons, we are spending more than majority of teams in the NFL. 2 of those remaining 3, we are spending more than the league average.
If you want us to be consistently in the top 5, that’s fine. You want the org to be super aggressive. That’s a fair assessment. But to claim McNair is cheap, those stats simply prove that theory wrong.
I think it goes to support my post above about poor GM's being in control of spending that money.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I'd like to get a top UFA for the OL but in almost every case, their FA value versus real value are substantially apart. Tough to build a 5 man OL that way.....it could never happen b/c of the dollars involved.
I'm much bigger proponent of building the trenches (OL) through the draft. Of course, this is really difficult to do when the War Room leaders lack the ability to identify talent. Since these guys represent such an important segment in regards to how an offense will function, then nothing should be spared in getting a reputable OL Coach who can get this young talent on the fast track in their development. After this, the GM needs to be savvy enough to know when to execute his extensions and re-signings so this developed talent doesn't disappear in their prime.
If the Texans can get this right, this whole discussion would become a moot point.
I'm much bigger proponent of building the trenches (OL) through the draft. Of course, this is really difficult to do when the War Room leaders lack the ability to identify talent. Since these guys represent such an important segment in regards to how an offense will function, then nothing should be spared in getting a reputable OL Coach who can get this young talent on the fast track in their development. After this, the GM needs to be savvy enough to know when to execute his extensions and re-signings so this developed talent doesn't disappear in their prime.
If the Texans can get this right, this whole discussion would become a moot point.
Texansballer74
The Marine
That's only your opinion. But hey I really don't understand why fans get so bitter when it comes to these teams. I mean why even follow them if you don't think they're not doing what they need to do to be contenders.
Oh forget the fact that we have had a top level defense several times. Forget the fact that injuries have plagued this team several times over the years. Forget the fact that we were contenders until Matt got hurt and then started playing scared.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Need to draft and retain top level OL. Make it a priority and don't let them walk. All this waiting until the last second to make a deal with your guy is a horrible use of leverage.
Lol
Classic
Anyway, my arithmetic says they spent ~56 mil on offense vs. ~89 mil on defense. Given that RAC keeps a top-ten (when healthy) defense, I'm good with that.
In short, there was a total organization breakdown in all aspects concerning the OL..not retaining players, poor free agents, high draft picks not living to expectations, injury, illness, coaching, retention, development of low round and UDFA...literally no area executed its portion of the deal regarding OL play.
Hopefully, the staff and administration of the Texans has moved the past fing up behind more than we have on this board.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
Brandon Brooks made the Pro Bowl last year for the Eagles as well. He didn't play in the game because he was preparing for the Super Bowl instead.
That would have more to do with the offensive lines coach, IMO. Mike Devlin is entering his fourth year as the Texans OL coach. His first year here in 2015 was Brooks' last year here. So something would have needed to click in that one lone season when he got to coach Brandon Brooks. And Brooks had started 14 games in 2015.
I've been wanting the Texans to hire a solid OL coach for a while... I wanted Mike Tice when he was available. I also wanted Tony Sparano when he became available. I felt sad when Sparano passed away earlier this year.
Mike Devlin hasn't shown me much in his tenure so far.
Of course, Deshaun Watson will make it seem like he's doing well.
...... until he gets killed ![/QUOTE]
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Because Devlin hasn't got a clue or enough talent to work with …. But Watson will keep them all employed until his next injury.
Texansballer74
The Marine
The offensive line is going to prove all you doubters wrong. Haven't played one regular season game yet and the top evaluators are already dooming them failures. Good grief
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Yes, this is not last year's offensive line. We have 4 new starters and won't really know anything about the line until after 4-6 games. So I'm going to hold off judgement until then unless they open up the season like last year and give up 10 damn sacks.
Thank you T-74 for stepping up and putting all of the naysayers in their place.
Dunno what's gonna happen Sunday in Foxburro and if the Oline stinks it up then let them have at it again, they can feel free to break out in full chorus. Until they've played the game just give them the benefit of the doubt, a fresh start, and begin establishing a record good or bad for the 2018 Oline.
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
Rankin-Kelemete-Martin-Fulton-Davenport would seem to be your new Oline given the way Seantrel looked as he came off the field.
Can't say the OL looked any better than expected today, can only hope that familiarity moves it closer to acceptability. Watson looked to be under pressure all day. I suppose WFV being out gave a big hit to his receiving options but I get the feeling that unit is going to be the limiting factor for this team every bit as much as it was last year.
Can't say the OL looked any better than expected today, can only hope that familiarity moves it closer to acceptability. Watson looked to be under pressure all day. I suppose WFV being out gave a big hit to his receiving options but I get the feeling that unit is going to be the limiting factor for this team every bit as much as it was last year.
Run blocking was solid.
Pass blocking wasn’t horrible...a lot of it is on Watson getting the ball out quicker.
Scooter
Funky
Run blocking was crap, the Patriots sat in safe zones the entire game which made 5 yard gains an almost gimme.
No it wasn’t. 34/167 including the 7 yard loss by Hopkins which wasn’t on the o-line. Blue was getting yards up the middle and Miller was getting yards outside the tackles.
Scooter
Funky
That's an Osweiler stat line. The Patriots didn't blitz, and having 7 in the box was barely a technicality - they spent the entire game asking us to run. O'Brien figured that out with 3 minutes left in the 3rd quarter.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Basically lol Belichick baited Obrien into exactly what he wanted him to do. You see one is playing chest while the other is still trying to learn how to play checkers.
Report is that Seantrel suffered a fractured ankle. Anyway it looks like it's gonna be Rankin & Davenpport at the tackles, left and right respectivly for some time.
I dunno I thought Rankin was gonna be the swing tackle and wondered why they didn't leave Davenport @ LT which is challenging enough for him to master, but now they'e moved him to the side he is very unfamiliar with ?
Looking forward to the take about the Oline today from others on Board ?
Texansballer74
The Marine
Just backs up my point that its coaching. You had the man playing LT all preseason. And you moved him to right when Henderson went down.