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[Sources] OB & Smith relationship has worsened

Lucky said:
Why would Kyle choose Houston and Rick Smith over Denver and Elway? He wouldn't. And does any of this sound like something McNair would do? A guy who fears change. Both of these guys will be back in 2017.
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Maybe because his dad wasn't treated with enough dignity in Denver?
Just speculation on my part.

Maybe Kyle likes to have a little more say than with Elway?
DocBar said:
You posted this in a thread about a coach getting fired because he didn't get along well enough with the GM? Ironical!!
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The key is "As Opposed To" with Elway.
Kyle got his first real chance here in Houston.
He already had a working relationship with Smith.
Kubiak's firing was McNair's decision; and really, nobody should hold a grudge on that decision.

And they all know each other from Denver.
 
Lucky said:
Why would Kyle choose Houston and Rick Smith over Denver and Elway? He wouldn't. And does any of this sound like something McNair would do? A guy who fears change. Both of these guys will be back in 2017.
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Rumor is that Denver is leaning towards Vance Joseph
 
If OB isn't good enough to come up with a gameplan to beat a young team, starting a rookie for the first time, on the road, in the playoffs, with the number one defense in the nfl, he doesn't deserve to be a head coach.


Fk both of them. It's time to bring in a real GM and let him take over with his staff.
 
Lucky said:
Elway had no part in Mike Shanahan's dismissal. Kyle grew up in the Broncos organization and this would be his dream job. I think he would have concern about how Kubiak and O'Brien were treated in Houston.
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I never said Elway had anything to do with Mike Shanahan.

Shanahan got fired after going 8-8 and 24-24 in the last 3 years, with 3 years left on his contract.

I kinda think that would leave a bad taste after his long tenure with the team.
Getting fired with an overall record of 138-86 can't be too thrilling, I don't think.
 
thunderkyss said:
Rumor is that Denver is leaning towards Vance Joseph
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Elway been puffin on that mile high?
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Broncos coaching job is Vance Joseph’s to lose, per report
Miami Dolphins defensive coordinator Vance Joseph is the frontrunner to become the next head coach of the Denver Broncos, according to a report from Alex Marvez of SiriusXM NFL Radio.

Joseph, 44, was the team's second choice when they hired Gary Kubiak in 2015, according to Klis.
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powda said:
Would anyone be excited about josh McDaniels here? I think it would insure more offensive continuity and likely mean we'd retain the bulk of defensive coaches.

Don't get me wrong, i understand the appeal of Kshan, I'm just surprised i haven't seen more people toss McDaniels name around. I guess his tour of duty in Denver hasn't been forgotten.

Idk, everything is speculation at this point. Will be fun to watch.
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That guy is cancer, AIDS, and rape all at once. **** that guy.
 
76Texan said:
I never said Elway had anything to do with Mike Shanahan.

Shanahan got fired after going 8-8 and 24-24 in the last 3 years, with 3 years left on his contract.

I kinda think that would leave a bad taste after his long tenure with the team.
Getting fired with an overall record of 138-86 can't be too thrilling, I don't think.
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Well, it didn't stop Kyle from interviewing with the Broncos.

Klis recently addressed a couple of issues that are relevant to whether Kyle Shanahan could be an effective head coach of the team: the relationship between Kyle’s father, Mike, with Elway and Mike’s relationship with Ellis.

“John Elway and Mike Shanahan are friends,” Klis tweeted regarding the suspicion on some circles that that Elway and the elder Shanahan don’t see eye to eye. “There is no ill will there.”

As to any potential tension between Mike Shanahan and Ellis arising from the decision to fire Shanahan after the 2008 season, Klis says Ellis wouldn’t stand in Elway’s way, if Elway wants to hire Kyle.
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Again, if Shanahan were offered jobs from both Denver and Houston, which would he take?
 
Lucky said:
Well, it didn't stop Kyle from interviewing with the Broncos.



Again, if Shanahan would be offered jobs from both Denver and Houston, which would he take?
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I think Paxton Lynch's athleticism would work well in little shannys offense best so probably DEN. I'd be ok with him coming here though. Play action is something I miss. Say what you will about schaubs noodle arm the play action opened up the offense at times here.
 
It scares me that OB can't understand WHY the no huddle /speed up offense works. When asked he always responds the same. "there are so many things that factor in" he says. "you can't just throw everything down", "the defense won't get to rest".

Uh-huh you ******* moron. It's not the tempo, it's not the speed at which the plays are called. It's the type of plays that are called. It's quick reads and getting the ball out of Oz hands fast.

How can he not see this? You don't have to go no huddle. You don't have to go hurry up. You just have to have plays called that are not long developing. I swear to god if Brock holds the ball more than 3 seconds he's going to turn the ball over.

Get your **** together OB or hot the road.
 
Lucky said:
Well, it didn't stop Kyle from interviewing with the Broncos.



Again, if Shanahan were offered jobs from both Denver and Houston, which would he take?
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I know he did get an interview with the Broncos.

I have no idea which job he would take if he gets two offers.

I believe that Mike Shanahan wants to see his son succeed and won't stand in his way.

But as a son, Kyle may have his loyalty toward his dad and the previous situation is likely on his mind.

Personally, I wouldn't take that offer.
 
So another year/team where Phillips does an outstanding job yet his team doesn't even consider him a candidate for the Head job.
 
Smith is the luckiest person today. Imagine if Carr played great and Oz stunk it up and we got killed. How bad would Smith look for not even considering Carr? To bad. What could have been
 
mussop said:
So another year/team where Phillips does an outstanding job yet his team doesn't even consider him a candidate for the Head job.
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It's not as if Wade hasn't had opportunities. He's been a NFL head coach for 9 seasons. And not many 69 year olds get HC interviews.
 
chicagotexan2 said:
Forget josh I forgot he's the clown that drafted Tim Tebow. He's Brock 1.0
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Not only Tebow - but Cutler. Just throwing it out there because he's been mentioned nationally alot but almost not at all here. Again, i mention his name for continuity sake. I think mcnair and Jr (rick smith-mcnair) are controlling enough to veto anything nuts (did i just type that?)

I guess I'm just looking for an alternative that allows us to retain the defensive staff and improve the offense. My suggestion is more an inquiry for opinions then a vote of confidence. I'd be hesitant as well.
 
humblegeo said:
I sure hope we get a new head coach. I never cared for him from the beginning. I don't think we have ever had someone like this. The first couple of years was full of uncontrollable sideline temper tantrums and hissy fits. Obviously someone in the front office this year gave him a severe verbal scolding because he has been better behaved but it is what it is and I don't like it.
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I am not crazy about the hissy fits but if he knew how to adjust his offense to have more production than we saw most of the season I would be more supportive of him.
 
This game is over. No offense for Texans spells tired defense for Texans which spells offensive production for Raiders which amounts to our Texans losing.
 
This game is over. No offense for Texans spells tired defense for Texans which spells offensive production for Raiders which amounts to our Texans losing.
otisbean said:
I could be off here, but I believe I've seen you criticize BOB for his play calling in the past. If I'm correct, how would you call plays differently if given the opportunity?

I know BO says he loves to play fast and spread the field, however we as fans know he isn't particularly accurate and has a penchant for making poor decisions in times of duress.

We know turnovers will kill you, you can't give the opposing team extra possessions so how would you do things differently? I'm just curious
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I liked a lot of what George Godsey did last season. Most of Os's were running an offense far from fast and a spreading of the field while his best production came in the first two games and last week in the second half doing just that.

Running up the gut almost every first and second down and throwing the ball three yards from the sticks on third and long isn't getting it done.
 
76Texan said:
I wouldn't go all in.
I still think the team needs to consider the type of QB and the availability of such type of QB.
Even when the Texans had the chance to draft Vince Young, I don't want to.
Not that because he was a bad player, just not the type of QB I look for.
I like a QB that can make use of all the weapons, in the mold of a Magic Johnson type of PG who can see the field.
I would take a small school QB that has those traits before I take one from a big program who is questionable in that regard.

RC probably doesn't car at his age.
I think if he gets a certain degree guarantee on a contract extension, he would be satisfied.
He's still under contract so he can't just pack up and leave.
He certainly would have at least as much control as he does now.
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I was not saying we should draft one in the first round every year. But in the top 3 rounds at least every 2-3 years, unless you get that elusive franchise QB, like Seattle.
 
mussop said:
True but he has to feel a little jilted.
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NFL has a way of making ex-coaches feel jilted. Marty Schottenheimer went 15-1 with the Chargers, got fired and hasn't had another HC offer.

When Wade is a HC, he eventually loses control of his team and the players' lack of discipline, glaring mistakes and inconsistent performance eventually gets him fired. He is just not a HC. Great DC, but a very weak HC.
 
Say Watt said:
I was not saying we should draft one in the first round every year. But in the top 3 rounds at least every 2-3 years, unless you get that elusive franchise QB, like Seattle.
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Yeah. That seems to me how the Pats have operated. You don't need one every year but it is not a settled position and it is important enough that you need to address it.

And at any given time you maybe playing a backup so you need someone there
 
Perhaps O'brien is going "all in" on this playoff push? Or maybe it was a bait n switch for the whole NFL? Better yet, this is O'brien's push for "I did this with the crap Rick McNair has given me. Get rid of Rick & Pay me Bob!"

On a side note: The up-tempo certainly worked for Osweiler. Now to pray that we get KC. :)
 
What if the "rift" was because Rick questioned why Osweiler wasn't benched earlier?

& maybe O'b didn't want to bench Osweiler until Savage was available. Of course it doesn't matter to Rick which backup takes over, but Bill wanted it to be Savage & wasn't planning on going back to Osweiler.

Now, after the elbow infection & the concussion, O'b is done trying to make it work for him. If it happens it happens. But he's not going to try to make it happen.
 
This was posted after the game.

Yes, Texans owner Bob McNair won’t be firing coach Bill O’Brien. But that doesn’t mean O’Brien will be coming back in 2017.

The chatter that emerged last week couched the potential divorce as the product of a mutual decision. Per multiple sources, the situation is much more about O’Brien not being happy with the Texans than the Texans not being happy with O’Brien.
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I think the simple solution to all of this is having McNair give Bill a come to Jesus like he did with Kubes where he insists on bringing in a competent O coordinator. O'Brien is an excellent head coach. He's pulled chicken salad out of chicken crap for three years. He can't manage an offense though and his boy Godsey is a joke. With a REAL O coordinator, this team is elite. I know bashing Smith is popular, but the Texans are rich with Talent. Godsey (and BOB) don't know how to utilize them. They need to get off of scheme and use what they have for what they do best. Case in point, running Miller off tackle 70% of the time. He's an edge guy. Use it. Duh. And, while I know it might be sacrilege to say it, let Brock go a bit. He's so friggin handcuffed that he's scared. The guy has more Favre in him than he does Brady. Take the damn training wheels off and let the guy ball. He might surprise all of us. His mechanics suck, but I see a guy that is more afraid of screwing up on the 1 out of 10 chances he gets than a guy that doesn't have the skills to get it done. Turn it loose. If he fails, he fails, but his failures this year had as much to do with play calling as they did with his ability. They played him like they were afraid he would screw up. No wonder he looks scared most of the time.
 
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