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[Sources] OB & Smith relationship has worsened

infantrycak said:
Hard to make an always out of two examples. And in this case not true in the only which has actually happened.. Two years went by (out of three on his contract) before Kubiak was fired.
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How long until he got an extension?

Was it in the works after the BOB hire?

Honest question that I don't know the answer too. I don't think anybody does. I just find it curious Ricky McNair gets reupped for 5 yrs, signs Os then starts having problems with BOB. Coincidence?
Scooter said:
Somebody thought O'Brien was a coach.
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He is, as much as he's unlike Kubiak.
 
Texian said:
Here is what I find extremely odd about all the OB rumors, Bob McNair has not stepped forward to say that Bill O'Brien is and will be the Houston Texans head coach for the foreseeable future (if he did I missed it). This rumor continues to linger and fester.
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He probably doesn't want to lie.
 
Thorn said:
Think we can get rid of both OB and Smith? Something dramatic needs to happen to get this team out of it's current morass.
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McNair doesn't like traumatic.

If those checks stop cashing that will be traumatic enough for a real change to happen. Until then we're hoping against hope.
 
steelbtexan said:
How long until he got an extension?

Was it in the works after the BOB hire?

Honest question that I don't know the answer too. I don't think anybody does. I just find it curious Ricky McNair gets reupped for 5 yrs, signs Os then starts having problems with BOB. Coincidence?
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His last contract covered 2012 thru 2015. So no I would not consider his 2016 extension in the works when OB was hired 2 years earlier.

Or there is increasing conflict because offensive coach OB's offenses have gotten worse each year. And this year it's after Smith gave him all sorts of new toys.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
And many of them appear to be waiting on the future of Houston coach Bill O'Brien, according to several sources.
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Hmmm...

CloakNNNdagger said:
If that happens, O'Brien may soar to the top of the list.

A coach trade is possible. As is a mutual parting of the ways. .
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Interesting, I wonder if we could trade for Sean Peyton.

CloakNNNdagger said:
With a talent pool full of intriguing candidates but without a lot of star power, O'Brien would immediately become among the most coveted.
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Would you guys rather O'Brien or Baby Shanahan?
 
Sean Payton
Mike McCoy
Kyle Shanahan
Josh McDaniels








Rex Ryan








Kubiak's son

Rick Smith & Cal McNair's love child




Bill "tea pot" O'Brien
 
thunderkyss said:
Would you guys rather O'Brien or Baby Shanahan?
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I worried about Lil Shan's age* and his having enough time in the league to assemble a staff. He has that now, and with his successes I assume he spends this offseason having resumes thrown at him ... as he, Wade and Elway work out the specifics of his head coaching job.

Edit*: I want to emphasize AGE as it relates to his players, not EXPERIENCE ... dude had that 15 years ago.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
From NFL.com:

Coach-needy teams are waiting to learn status of Bill O'Brien
  • By Ian Rapoport
  • NFL Media Insider
  • Published: Jan. 7, 2017 at 05:54 a.m.
  • Updated: Jan. 7, 2017 at 07:19 a.m.

The most enigmatic potential head-coaching candidate is one that is currently still employed.

While the Texans face the Raiders today in a playoff game at 4:35 p.m. ET, six teams are engaged in a competition to find a new head coach.

And many of them appear to be waiting on the future of Houston coach Bill O'Brien, according to several sources.

The third-year Texans coach has won the AFC South two years in a row -- with a revolving door at quarterback -- and is searching for his first playoff win today. But there is a real chance, based on several factors, that he will be coaching another team next year.

If that happens, O'Brien may soar to the top of the list.

A coach trade is possible. As is a mutual parting of the ways. As is the Texans simply deciding three years is enough; time to go in a different direction.

A win would at least prolong the wait or push the topic of his future to 2017, depending on who you ask.

Perhaps just as important is that teams with vacancies believe O'Brien could be available. With a talent pool full of intriguing candidates but without a lot of star power, O'Brien would immediately become among the most coveted.

As for the reasons why the Texans might be looking for a new coach, the fit between O'Brien, GM Rick Smith, and owner Bob McNair has always been an odd one. Personalities have clashes, as have approaches to building a football team.

The signing of $72-million quarterback Brock Osweiler, who struggled mightily and was eventually benched by O'Brien, has served as a lightning rod for argument and frustration. Whether he was forced on O'Brien by McNair and the team's brass, as most sources believe, or whether Osweiler is merely a symbol of a brutal free-agent miss, his struggles loom large.

It has been a frustrating season, even with the playoff berth. And several teams hope to be the beneficiaries of it if O'Brien becomes available. If that happens, keep an eye on Falcons offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan, who coached on the Texans' staff from 2006-09, as O'Brien's successor.
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Different approaches to building a football team?

You know like the approach Bob/Rick McNair that has been so successful over the last decade vs the way BOB learned to build a winning roster with the Pats under BB?

I can see exactly where the dysfunction lies.

BOB is a goner
 
Scooter said:
I worried about Lil Shan's age and his having enough time in the league to assemble a staff. He has that now, and with his successes I assume he spends this offseason having resumes thrown at him ... as he, Wade and Elway work out the specifics of his head coaching job.
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I worry about this as well. When BOB leaves RAc and the defensive staff goes with him as well. I would rather see them draft a QB and a couple of OL and take my chances with BOB and hire Marrone on as DC.


If they hire Shanny I would throw enough $$$$ at Vrabel to get him to stay as DC.
 
steelbtexan said:
Different approaches to building a football team?

You know like the approach Bob/Rick McNair that has been so successful over the last decade vs the way BOB learned to build a winning roster with the Pats under BB?

I can see exactly where the dysfunction lies.

BOB is a goner
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Not sure OB learned the O there much less how the team was built. You realize he was QB coach for 2 years and OC for 1. He certainly hasn't been able to reconstruct NE's O.
 
steelbtexan said:
I worry about this as well. When BOB leaves RAc and the defensive staff goes with him as well. I would rather see them draft a QB and a couple of OL and take my chances with BOB.

If they hire Shanny I would throw enough $$$$ at Vrabel to get him to stay as DC.
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Obviously I'm on record (before he was hired) regarding O'Brien ... I've had wet farts with more coaching prowess, but I'm with you 100% regarding draft and building the team otherwise. We're in trouble if Rac leaves, and completely effed without Vrabel. I don't think O'Brien has much pull (if any) on them though.

I've been saying for quite a while, we give the team to Shanny as head coach and Vrabel DC/asst head coach. Send the McNairs and Smith to Tahiti for the next 15 years.
 
WolverineFan said:
Jerry Jones didn't build that offensive roster. Stephen Jones did.

And I love Arians but he just went 7-8-1 with one of the better rosters in the league.
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Cal McNair is no Stephen Jones

The Cards OL was beaten to he**.

Defense was really injured too.
 
infantrycak said:
Not sure OB learned the O there much less how the team was built. You realize he was QB coach for 2 years and OC for 1. He certainly hasn't been able to reconstruct NE's O.
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He wasn't allowed to pickup Micheal Floyd/Tyreke Hill etc...
 
thunderkyss said:
Hmmm...

Interesting, I wonder if we could trade for Sean Peyton.

Would you guys rather O'Brien or Baby Shanahan?
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I'd rather fire Smith and let the new GM figure out the HC after the fact.

OB has under-performed, but as far as I'm concerned, we aren't going anywhere with Smith calling the shots.

Gotta cut the head off the snake.
 
WolverineFan said:
Jerry Jones didn't build that offensive roster. Stephen Jones did.

And I love Arians but he just went 7-8-1 with one of the better rosters in the league.
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The point remains. I don't have to be a fan of Rick Smith's to appreciate his roster outside of RG, RT, & QB.

A roster that has Bill O'Brien written all over it. Fiedorowicz, Fuller, Simon, Wilfork, Savage.
 
For all we know, Romeo Crennel may be the source of the leaks. He is up for a new contract.
 
Scooter said:
Obviously I'm on record (before he was hired) regarding O'Brien ... I've had wet farts with more coaching prowess, but I'm with you 100% regarding draft and building the team otherwise. We're in trouble if Rac leaves, and completely effed without Vrabel. I don't think O'Brien has much pull (if any) on them though.

I've been saying for quite a while, we give the team to Shanny as head coach and Vrabel DC/asst head coach. Send the McNairs and Smith to Tahiti for the next 15 years.
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The problem with that is that the McNairs and Smith have enough money to come back.
 
The decision to pull Os is what's going to get BOB fired.

Os is Bob/Ricky McNair's boy.

There's no coincidence that the minute BOB benched Os the rumors of tension between Ricky/BOB started to surface.

BOB was in a no win situation, keep playing Os against the Jags and miss the playoffs. Play Savage and be where you are nw. BOB chose to make the playoffs and then move on to another team is what it's beginning to look like.
 
steelbtexan said:
The decision to pull Os is what's going to get BOB fired.

Os is Bob/Ricky McNair's boy.

There's no coincidence that the minute BOB benched Os the rumors of tension between Ricky/BOB started to surface.

BOB was in a no win situation, keep playing Os against the Jags and miss the playoffs. Play Savage and be where you are nw. BOB chose to make the playoffs and then move on to another team is what it's beginning to look like.
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In another life you were a 200 lb 80 yr old Chinese woman reading tea leaves right?
 
How would this all work - there is one year left on OB's contract. He can't just walk away and sign with another team.

Would he have to sit for just one year before being elgible to sign with a team in 2018?

The McNairs can't just fire him - without paying his 2017 salary? Correct?

Or a third option would be for all parties to come to a mutual agreement?

I did see one mention that teams can trade coaches/coach's contract just as they can players, So here's a forth option.

Does this cover the possible scenarios how a change can occur.?
 
Number19 said:
How would this all work - there is one year left on OB's contract. He can't just walk away and sign with another team.

Would he have to sit for just one year before being elgible to sign with a team in 2018?

The McNairs can't just fire him - without paying his 2017 salary? Correct?

Or a third option would be for all parties to come to a mutual agreement?

I did see one mention that teams can trade coaches/coach's contract just as they can players, So here's a forth option.

Does this cover the possible scenarios how a change can occur.?
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Most NFL head coaches have 'offset' language in their contracts that states if the coach is fired and he takes another job in the NFL as a head coach or assistant, the former team can recoup that portion of his new contract.

For example, if a head coach is fired and the club owes him one year at $5 million but the coach gets a coordinator position at $1 million then the old club only owes him $4 million. Some teams are now forcing college coaching positions into the 'offset' language so a fired coach can't run straight to a college job and double dip.

Fired head coaches are very attractive to NFL teams because they can pay them a low salary while they are still under their old contract and get a very good coach. The NFL will step in if a new club tries to go too low with a salary on a former head coach. The league will insist that the new salary is somewhat on par with the market.
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LINK (the entire article is worth reading regarding coach contracts/firings)
 
Redtexans said:
This franchise has just reached an all time low. I think the old man has lost it.
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I'm not understanding the vitriol about this.
Like what the hell is "home field advantage captain and why does it even matter who it is?
It's a symbolic junk title for a freaking promotional event. Whoopty freaking doo.

Y'all just hatin to hate now



(I'm not a McNair fan and absolutely am not taking his side on anything. Just pointing the silliness run rampant in the rush to criticise everything Texans related)
 
michaelm said:
I'm not understanding the vitriol about this.
Like what the hell is "home field advantage captain and why does it even matter who it is?
It's a symbolic junk title for a freaking promotional event. Whoopty freaking doo.

Y'all just hatin to hate now



(I'm not a McNair fan and absolutely am not taking his side on anything. Just pointing the silliness run rampant in the rush to criticise everything Texans related)
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It is what McNair has made it.
 
infantrycak said:
I would love to have Shanahan.
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Baby Shanny would bring in an offensive scheme like the one Osweiler was at least mostly competent in. Might salvage BOs career.
Plus hopeful Romeo would rather stick here than following O'Brien to his next gig.
I could live with Shanny's offense and Romeo's defense
 
michaelm said:
Baby Shanny would bring in an offensive scheme like the one Osweiler was at least mostly competent in. Might salvage BOs career.
Plus hopeful Romeo would rather stick here than following O'Brien to his next gig.
I could live with Shanny's offense and Romeo's defense
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As Crennel would be all too aware of the dysfunctional hierachy of this organization, I doubt that he would be staying waiting for the next shoe to fall on HIS head.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
As Crennel would be all too aware of the dysfunctional hierachy of this organization, I doubt that he would be staying waiting for the next shoe to fall on HIS head.
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As I mentioned earlier, Romeo may be the one leaking all this to push O'b out.
 
If the rumors are true the Texans have to be just as eager to lose this game so they can get on with their new coaching search and not have to go to New England for another embarrassing loss.
 
Texian said:
If the rumors are true the Texans have to be just as eager to lose this game so they can get on with their new coaching search and not have to go to New England for another embarrassing loss.
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Eh.. most likely O'b is going to do everything he can to make sure he stays with this world class organization.
 
Say Watt said:
There has never once been a year that I would have been upset about the Texans drafting a QB in the first three rounds. At no point have I ever been so confident in a Texans QB that a drafted QB would make me upset.
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I wouldn't go all in.
I still think the team needs to consider the type of QB and the availability of such type of QB.
Even when the Texans had the chance to draft Vince Young, I don't want to.
Not that because he was a bad player, just not the type of QB I look for.
I like a QB that can make use of all the weapons, in the mold of a Magic Johnson type of PG who can see the field.
I would take a small school QB that has those traits before I take one from a big program who is questionable in that regard.
CloakNNNdagger said:
As Crennel would be all too aware of the dysfunctional hierachy of this organization, I doubt that he would be staying waiting for the next shoe to fall on HIS head.
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RC probably doesn't car at his age.
I think if he gets a certain degree guarantee on a contract extension, he would be satisfied.
He's still under contract so he can't just pack up and leave.
He certainly would have at least as much control as he does now.
 
michaelm said:
Baby Shanny would bring in an offensive scheme like the one Osweiler was at least mostly competent in. Might salvage BOs career.
Plus hopeful Romeo would rather stick here than following O'Brien to his next gig.
I could live with Shanny's offense and Romeo's defense
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In a vacuum, I think all of us could live with that. The problem is KS would be a young, first-time head coach. Which means, in all likelihood, he is not going to be given much power over personnel decisions. Which means those decisions would remain in the hands of Rick Smith.

For those of us that see Smith as the bigger problem here, dumping O'Brien and bringing in Shanahan sounds great in theory, but in the bigger picture it's just more of the status quo. Smith is still making the decisions and that is a tough pill to swallow for those of us that don't even want him in the room when it's time to make football decisions.
 
Why would Kyle choose Houston and Rick Smith over Denver and Elway? He wouldn't. And does any of this sound like something McNair would do? A guy who fears change. Both of these guys will be back in 2017.
 
Lucky said:
Why would Kyle choose Houston and Rick Smith over Denver and Elway? He wouldn't. And does any of this sound like something McNair would do? A guy who fears change. Both of these guys will be back in 2017.
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Maybe because his dad wasn't treated with enough dignity in Denver?
Just speculation on my part.

Maybe Kyle likes to have a little more say than with Elway?
 
76Texan said:
Maybe because his dad wasn't treated with enough dignity in Denver?
Just speculation on my part.

Maybe Kyle likes to have a little more say than with Elway?
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Elway had no part in Mike Shanahan's dismissal. Kyle grew up in the Broncos organization and this would be his dream job. I think he would have concern about how Kubiak and O'Brien were treated in Houston.
 
76Texan said:
Maybe because his dad wasn't treated with enough dignity in Denver?
Just speculation on my part.

Maybe Kyle likes to have a little more say than with Elway?
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You posted this in a thread about a coach getting fired because he didn't get along well enough with the GM? Ironical!!
 
steelbtexan said:
Os will throw 3-4 good passes then throw one either 5ft to high or 3yds wide. This even includes passes in the 5-10 yd range too. Sad for a professional QB. No system can be effective with a QB playing like that.
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As I said, for me how coach calls this game and how Os performs in it will tell me all I need to know.
 
TxnsJuggernaut said:
As I said, for me how coach calls this game and how Os performs in it will tell me all I need to know.
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I could be off here, but I believe I've seen you criticize BOB for his play calling in the past. If I'm correct, how would you call plays differently if given the opportunity?

I know BO says he loves to play fast and spread the field, however we as fans know he isn't particularly accurate and has a penchant for making poor decisions in times of duress.

We know turnovers will kill you, you can't give the opposing team extra possessions so how would you do things differently? I'm just curious
 
infantrycak said:
I would love to have Shanahan.
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I have good information that Shanahan going to Denver is pretty much a done deal. (Source: My Facebook prediction.)

michaelm said:
Baby Shanny would bring in an offensive scheme like the one Osweiler was at least mostly competent in. Might salvage BOs career.
Plus hopeful Romeo would rather stick here than following O'Brien to his next gig.
I could live with Shanny's offense and Romeo's defense
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CloakNNNdagger said:
As Crennel would be all too aware of the dysfunctional hierachy of this organization, I doubt that he would be staying waiting for the next shoe to fall on HIS head.
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If O'Brien leaves, Crennel leaves. And that's a major loss, because any replacement DC who performs as well as Crennel did in 2016 would immediately start receiving HC considerations from other teams.

That's one of the underappreciated values of Romeo: He likely had no HC aspirations and would stick around for a while.
 
Would anyone be excited about josh McDaniels here? I think it would insure more offensive continuity and likely mean we'd retain the bulk of defensive coaches.

Don't get me wrong, i understand the appeal of Kshan, I'm just surprised i haven't seen more people toss McDaniels name around. I guess his tour of duty in Denver hasn't been forgotten.

Idk, everything is speculation at this point. Will be fun to watch.
 
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