Texansballer74
The Marine
I’m listening to sports talk 790 right now ole Charlie and his co said he’s heard rumblings about Watson way before it came out. Hmm interesting
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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson
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Yep. And honestly, I would stop watching the NFL if it becomes a league where every butthurt player gets to demand a trade and teams have no way of building a successful roster as a result.
Yeah, our paths have been very similar. We both believed in the talent of Watson, that he could be the QB that finally brings some glory to this city.
And when the news dropped that he was demanding a trade just four months after signing a mega-deal, we both had the same reaction.
I've thought about this, as well. I will probably never like the guy, but if his presence here is based on the McNairs being over their heads and looking for someone to help them out, I can't fault him for being here (regardless if I personally think he's an effective leader or not).
I agree.
That said, I do not think the position of "Executive Vice President of Football Operations" has anything to do with evaluating the football talent of players.
The previous guy with that title (sans "Executive") was Doug West. Here is his job description from LinkedIn:
"A results-driven executive 20+ years of experience directing business/football operations for multibillion-dollar organizations. Plans/manages logistics, facilities management, procurement, and event service operations while building/empowering dedicated teams, formulating solutions to capture time/cost savings, administering budgets, and fostering open communication, collaboration, and synergy between internal/external teams to exceed performance benchmarks in highly competitive and evolving environments."
So along with the above, Easterby's official role on the website is culture development, which is a very wide term that could mean a lot of things.
Some of the above comes from an article in Feb 2021, which also makes an interesting observation about Easterby's resume:
"We find it worth noting, as Krajcovic moves on, that Easterby claims on his resume to have a background in NFL cap management."
The resume lies are one of the reasons that my gut just can't trust Jack Easterby. A lying preacher-man is one of the worst kinds of liars, IMO.
I respect ya', man, and miss your perspectives around these parts. I certainly understand the concerns of timing. I don't inherently trust the Texans front office, either.
But, my mind just can't make the leap that this organization would be behind any of this. Maybe the NFL and agenda of owners, but that's just fan talk with no substance.
And while I'm no fan of Buzbee's style, my own research into him reveals that he's got a solid track record and is no Saul Goodman. He's just sensational in a way that makes folks perceive him that way.
His clients are clearly in it for the money. Like Florio has said, there is no other point in civil cases. Money is the punishment for the guilty and form of justice for the plaintiffs. And while greed, in and of itself, has been a motivator since the dawn of history, there comes a point where the overwhelming number of cases and women involved is very tough to ignore. Time will tell if their claims are justified.
At first, his style and the Jane Doe nature of these cases made me wonder about potential hidden agendas and intentions. But, after looking into him, it is clear Buzbee would be risking everything to fabricate any of this stuff. His practice, his license, his reputation, and his wealth would be in jeopardy if there was nothing behind these lawsuits. And what would be his motivation? He's already filthy rich, and I don't see a guy like him being involved with some sordid conspiracy with a goober like Hal McNair.
Texian
Hall of Fame
I'm of the opinion that the NFL is going to try and take advantage of the DW4 situation to send a message to all the Deshaun Watsons and David Mulughetas that this is not the NBA and it is in their best interest not to try and make like it is. The message is, in the NFL we honor our contracts and we will bring the full force of the NFL against those who don't. In other words Watson is Toast.
Texansballer74
The Marine
I mean they are all quiet now. If he didn’t do anything wrong they would all be publicly supporting
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
Technically HPD or any good police department cannot comment on that. They should just say no comment
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
maybe they don’t want attention for obvious reasons?
Exactly what does it accomplish? It's a no-win situation. They come out in support of Watson and they will get criticized for minimizing or disregarding what happened to the victims and speculation that maybe they were also doing the same thing.
So, all they can do, is say something similar to what Dabo said, "this is not the Deshaun I know, he is a great teammate, blah, blah, blah." Would that change anyone's opinion or make any impact?
They were all supporting him when it came to Easterby though
Lot of good that did. Easterby is still here. Also, if you think that's similar or can't see the difference, more power to you. For me, it's not worth the effort
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
Accusations detailed in chronological order
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Not sure I agree with that, odds are just as likely they didn’t really know about it. I mean we know him and Hopkins hug out a lot but does Watson and his team regularly hang out off field?
From the complaints it seems like Watson went to these things alone whether he was getting a massage or had other reasons nothing says others were there. In fact seems he went out of his way to keep it as secret as possible so I really don’t see him standing in the locker room bragging to the team about it.
Maybe 1or 2 that he’s really close with and they are laying low but not everyone on the team.
banned1976
sleeper mode
The way that thread is put in order, and the amount of detail, it reads like a man with a severe message therapist fantasy/hang-up getting more frustrated and more aggressive as time went on.
IMHO. I bet many of his teammates, family and friends are just as shocked as the fans. To expect teammates to come out publicly and blindly support Watson when they had no idea what was going on is totally unfair to them and like I said, what's the point?
Last month, Chris Simms was on with Florio and he was talking about what a standup, great character guy Watson is and he would be happy if his daughter brought someone with Watson's character home. Even though it was weeks before these lawsuits, I bet he is catching grief for those comments.
Texian
Hall of Fame
There are also other players involved.
blech. . .I wonder if I drink some bleach, will it erase the memory of what I just read. . . 
Dude is going to have a hard time sitting in court denying all of these stories, especially if these women are willing to testify against him.
Dude is going to have a hard time sitting in court denying all of these stories, especially if these women are willing to testify against him.
House of Pain
Wild Speculator
NO KIDDING! I thought the same thing. Just because you've been on the radio for a long time and like to hear yourself talk like a robot, does not mean you know anything about being an attorney or how the law works. Need more experience before you are an 'expert.'
I don't understand the idea that your star player or players need to be involved in the front office. I love AJ but have we ever considered that the Texans organization didn't have more success because Bob McNair put too much weight on his players' opinions? I mean, if it had something to do with the x's and o's of the game or a coach that [X player] played under, that's one thing, but what does AJ (or just about any other star player) know about hiring a successful GM or member of the front office? Not trying to single him out because he may be my favorite Texan of all time, but I never understood that logic.
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This is basically the same approach that Buzzbutt used to solicit his potential clients except he said if you worked around DW4 as a massure
maybe you've got some problems and if so you could contact my office there's an opportunity to make it worth your time.
Or better yet maybe it was more like what Carville said about Paula Jones, Clintons accuser: "Drag a 100 $ thru a trailer park, you never know what you'll find". These litigation lawyers will do whatever it takes to drum up plaintiffs.
Nothing noble about Buzzbutts approach, he's just a hustler.
Comparing Avenatti to Buzbee is not a valid analogy. You may hate his politics, but he is an excellent attorney and like many before me have said, he would not risk his reputation for just another paycheck. He's got plenty of money and exposure. Avenatti is an actual criminal who stole from his clients that came to him to help them in a time of most need. While they suffered, he indulged himself in the lap of luxury. Last time I checked, he was in jail where he belongs. He is the reason that so many people have a negative opinion of attorneys. There has been no record of Buzbee doing anything illegal or improper with his clients or his client's property.
I think what we are seeing here is what happens when everything has been over politicized. There is no 'good' or 'bad' just 'my side' and 'your side.' If the person in question is someone you like or agree with they can do no wrong, if not, they are human garbage. The mental gymnastics and cognitive dissonance is unbelievable.
One of these days I hope we can get back to people just calling balls and strikes. Maybe we could all agree that some things are good and some things are bad? Sometimes, good people do bad things and vice versa? I'm probably asking too much. I'm going to lie down.
House of Pain
Wild Speculator
I know I'm going to catch hell for this, but what if Hopkins was involved?
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
SMH, I just don’t know how the NFL can deal with every fan in the world reading these allegations. What a nightmare having to stand behind a microphone and deal with this.blech. . .I wonder if I drink some bleach, will it erase the memory of what I just read. . .
Dude is going to have a hard time sitting in court denying all of these stories, especially if these women are willing to testify against him.
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
Then I’d say we got a steal with that second round pickI know I'm going to catch hell for this, but what if Hopkins was involved?
Texansballer74
The Marine
McCain said just 30 minutes ago, Watson does not respect the Texans, doesn’t want to play for them and still will hold out if he’s not traded.
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Jack Burton
Veteran
I think most of us just assumed he was.I know I'm going to catch hell for this, but what if Hopkins was involved?
Jack Burton
Veteran
Yeah, right. That means he starts losing money. Lots and lots of money.
And the way things are going Watsons not gonna have 2 nickels to rub together.
Texansballer74
The Marine
He shouldn’t catch any type of static mainly because he didn’t know. I mean none of us knew Watson was out there wildin out like that. The young man always presented himself to be a really good person.
Hardcore Texan
Magnet Man
"I've been crying a little bit -- a lot of bit, really," Watson said. "It's just -- an amazing moment, for me to be able to extend my career in a location, in a place, in a home, I would say, that my family loves, that I love, that I want to continue to dive into the community most of all, and just continue to build my legacy, just build our legacy as a whole and do something that we've never done before."
The emotion, Watson said, was because of the commitment the Texans organization has shown to him, and how far he has come. When he was asked if he was worried about whether the contract would get done before the start of the season, Watson said that was his "last and least concern."
"The money is amazing. It's life-changing. It's great," Watson said. "But the biggest thing is for the McNair family, OB [head coach Bill O'Brien], Jack [Easterby], to just trust in me and believe in me, that I'm their guy, I'm their quarterback -- is the biggest thing, and that really touches me. Growing up, from where I'm from ... there's not too many people that make it out.
"For them to just trust me -- man, it means the most. That's the biggest thing. The contract, that was gonna take care of itself. My biggest focus was that locker room, and just my performance on the field, because that's -- I mean, that's been something that really just got me from all the negativity. Just really all the negative stuff that we had experienced growing up." Source
So I read all of this, then consider his attitude FOUR months later, and then the revelations SIX months later, and it makes me SMDH.
banned1976
sleeper mode
blech. . .I wonder if I drink some bleach, will it erase the memory of what I just read. . .
Dude is going to have a hard time sitting in court denying all of these stories, especially if these women are willing to testify against him.
It's really sad. Imagine how crushed (and horrified) this woman (Jane Doe 13) was by the events (alleged still, but damn):
When Watson reached out to this plaintiff for a massage, she was confused, as she is an esthetician who only markets and offers skin care services. However, she was excited that an NFL player was reaching out to use her services...
she was nervous as she had never worked with a famous athlete before. Watson promised to walk her through it and give her direction...
After arriving at the spa, Watson aggressively dictated the session. Watson asked the plaintiff to "go deeper" into his buttocks. The plaintiff says that she began to get scared...
She mentions being scared again and then it got gross, I don't want to get into those details.
So here's a young lady that was confused and excited at meeting a professional athlete to confused and terrified from her experience.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
I've been checking the NFL site to see what, if anything, they might have up about Watson. Not much so far, but one thing that is noticable is all the coverage they are giving to women. Women in sports, women making it as Refs in the NFL, support of women causes and the like. If there's one thing they probably don't want in the NFL is someone who is spoiling their message about uplifting women.
banned1976
sleeper mode
And when you examine the facts , Easterby should still be here.
He's the scapegoat , not the problem .... The problem was Watson's actions. The team & Easterby did what they could to protect him and he - Watson cut his own wrist , the question is can they save him or does he bleed out ?
At this point if he really blames the Texans for this mess, he will never learn.
Hardcore Texan
Magnet Man
Hmm...I wonder if there is going to be any DNA evidence involved in one of these cases.
TxnsJuggernaut1
All Pro
I am not saying it looks good for DW4 but he has more than enough money to go around. Enough to pay a large amount of money to many plaintiffs and still be quite wealthy.blech. . .I wonder if I drink some bleach, will it erase the memory of what I just read. . .
Dude is going to have a hard time sitting in court denying all of these stories, especially if these women are willing to testify against him.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
That's fine. But if he gets put on the commissioner's list, doesn't he still get paid?
amazing80
Hall of Fame
It's amazing to me that Watson is somehow proclaiming he can't stand the Texans and doesn't want to play for them, even after these allegations have been publicized in detail. Either he is the dumbest person on Earth (which is probable at this point) or there is so much more going on in the background that we don't even have the slightest clue about.
Reading through those allegations really crushes any chance DW4 has at recouping his image. I don't see any defense being able to create enough doubt to clear his name. Hell even if he is innocent, which is unlikely, there are so many women and such detail that he will never recover. How the hell does he still think he can control his football fate or threaten to sit out? He lost his damn mind.
At this point, I am hoping the NFL puts him on the exempt list and we cut him to recoup salary relief. There is no chance we trade him right now. We need to look long and hard at all of our options at QB this season. It's such a disaster to finally have a legit QB only to have it ripped from our hearts by this sexual harassment scandal. I don't know who the **** we pissed off in relation to the football gods, but we need some relief. We need a savior. Someone to come in and rid this franchise of the toxicity and lead us to the promised land. We need a bonafide young star at QB (again).
Reading through those allegations really crushes any chance DW4 has at recouping his image. I don't see any defense being able to create enough doubt to clear his name. Hell even if he is innocent, which is unlikely, there are so many women and such detail that he will never recover. How the hell does he still think he can control his football fate or threaten to sit out? He lost his damn mind.
At this point, I am hoping the NFL puts him on the exempt list and we cut him to recoup salary relief. There is no chance we trade him right now. We need to look long and hard at all of our options at QB this season. It's such a disaster to finally have a legit QB only to have it ripped from our hearts by this sexual harassment scandal. I don't know who the **** we pissed off in relation to the football gods, but we need some relief. We need a savior. Someone to come in and rid this franchise of the toxicity and lead us to the promised land. We need a bonafide young star at QB (again).
I don't want to derail this thread. But, what facts are you referring to? Because last time I checked, Watson's self destructive behavior that led to this mess does not erase the personnel moves that O'Brien said "he and Jack" made together. I'm assuming when they were dishing out those bad contracts to Cobb, Murray, and Mercilus, Watson was already on the masseuse table.
IMHO. There is a new narrative about Easterby that he rode in on this white horse to save these dastardly, sinful players, they fought him tooth and nail and made him a bad guy. I don't know how much Easterby spoke to Watson and even Hopkins. But from my view, O'Brien and his bull in a China shop methods should not have been the one to speak to Hopkins about his life style. It should have been Easterby and then instead of them addressing any culture issues head on, they took the easy way out and traded Hopkins who they thought was the source of the behavior issues.
So, if he couldn't implement a culture change that would influence the best players on the team and was lock stepped with BoB on those bad personnel moves, besides the fact that Cal loves him, why is he here?
TxnsJuggernaut1
All Pro
He won't have to worry about playing for this Texans or anybody else if this case goes beyond civil justice!
To be fair, Watson has not spoken to anyone since this has become public. McClain is talking about Watson’s stance before this became public.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
I guess we will know April 5th how he feels and how the team feels.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
What is April 5th? Haven’t been following along. Too busy discussing Merciless.
To put this in perspective, keep in mind those bad personnel moves were made before Watson signed his extension & waxed emotionally about the Texans commitment to him.
So the idea that he wanted out four months later because of the roster, cap space, or lack of 1st & 2nd round picks (because they got someone to protect his blindsid), just doesn’t track.
Doesn’t matter who was responsible for them, like every other “me first” athlete, he didn’t care about those issues when he signed, I can’t imagine that was a major concern four months later.
Jack Burton
Veteran
McClain is kinda being an assclown himself. He knows nothing and wants to remain relevant. He really should just STFU.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
The Texans are doing him a solid just by being quiet. A PR nightmare like this would normally be something a team would’ve already distanced themselves from by releasing the player, or making a statement denouncing the player’s actions.
the mere fact that they’ve remained fairly quiet SHOULD resonate with him that the team is, at the very least, preserving some thought that he’s innocent....or at least salvageable in the sense that they don’t believe he could do something like he is being accused of.
aside from that, it doesn’t matter what 1 team thinks of him. This PR nightmare is gonna follow him to whatever team he goes to.
the mere fact that they’ve remained fairly quiet SHOULD resonate with him that the team is, at the very least, preserving some thought that he’s innocent....or at least salvageable in the sense that they don’t believe he could do something like he is being accused of.
aside from that, it doesn’t matter what 1 team thinks of him. This PR nightmare is gonna follow him to whatever team he goes to.
Jack Burton
Veteran
I equate the silence to Caserio and his time in NE.
The guy has a playbook he seems to abide by and although this is a fustercluck of a situation he’s been thrust into, he’s doing well.
You missed my point. I was not talking about Watson or his contract. The new narrative appears to be that Easterby was trying to save these players from themselves and they were not listening. I just want to make sure that everyone remembers according to BoB, Easterby was right there with him on personnel decisions.
Watson's stupidity, bad behavior and sexual assault lawsuits should not erase or excuse the fact that Easterby was also involved in more things than just saving these heathens.