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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson

Lucky said:
If smart means being in collusion to keep costs down, then heck yeah they're smart.
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Do you want to know what collusion is? It’s making sure the guy you are paying all that money to, coverts part of his salary 30-40 million dollars less to avoid losing a lot of money for egregious and predatory behavior. That’s collusion. That’s NOT smart.
 
djohn2oo8 said:
Do you want to know what collusion is? It’s making sure the guy you are paying all that money to, coverts part of his salary 30-40 million dollars less to avoid losing a lot of money for egregious and predatory behavior. That’s collusion. That’s NOT smart.
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Yes, exactly how they wrote it in Websters.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Also Listen to the video.

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Jimmy Haslam: Browns will “respect and honor” the Deshaun Watson appeal process
Posted by Mike Florio on August 9, 2022, 11:13 AM EDT


Last week, the Browns issued a strange statement in the aftermath of the decision from Judge Sue L. Robinson, who suspended quarterback Deshaun Watson for six games. The Browns, among other things, seemed to be trying to get the league to respect her ruling. For obvious reasons.

Now, with designee Peter Harvey considering the NFL’s appeal of the matter, Browns owner Jimmy Haslam is embracing a step that the team had hoped the league wouldn’t take.

“I’ll just say we’ll respect and honor the process,” Haslam said at the league meeting in Minnesota convened for the purpose of voting on the purchase of the Broncos, via Mark Maske of the Washington Post.

The Browns also were ready to “respect” Judge Robinson’s decision. The league, which embracing her factual findings, have disregarded her ultimate decision, believing the league believes it didn’t go far enough.

The Browns also insisted that Watson has shown remorse. Judge Robinson found that Watson has not.

There’s one sliver of overlap between management and labor in this case. The NFL Players Association and the Browns both want to minimize Watson’s absence. Remorse or no remorse, player and team want player back on the field.

Still, the Browns know that their broader interests require them to behave as one of the 32 member organizations of the NFL. They’ll “respect and honor” the appeal process. They’ll also likely dislike the outcome.

That said, there’s a silver lining for the Browns in the possibility of a full-season suspension. A 17-game ban would toll Watson’s contract for a full year, extending his commitment through 2027 and dropping his base salary in 2023 from $46 million to $1.035 million.
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Cleveland Browns are like the parent talking about their errant son. He absolutely did not do it! If he did do it he didn't mean to do it.
 
badboy said:
Cleveland Browns are like the parent talking about their errant son. He absolutely did not do it! If he did do it he didn't mean to do it.
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My favorite is when they finally admit he is sorry so we should just move on, and in the back ground he is saying “Nope! Not Sorry!”

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Lucky said:
I was referencing this section of your post where you were explaining "the facts" to everyone.



I guess that's case closed. I mean you've been spot on, so far.
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It is a fact they signed the contract and it is a fact that the contract says Goodell can do exactly what he is doing. You are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts and both of those things are facts. Likewise if you read what I wrote I said most judges wouldn’t touch it not that no judge would.

Yeah the union might can judge shop till they find one that they think will rule in their favor and that judge very well might, doesn’t change what’s in the contract though nor that the union signed it.
 
At a league meeting called to formally approve the Denver Broncos' new ownership group Tuesday, Goodell was asked why the NFL appealed Robinson's decision and was seeking a suspension of at least a year for the Cleveland Browns quarterback.

"We've seen the evidence, she was very clear about the evidence, she reinforced the evidence,'' Goodell said. "There were multiple violations that were egregious and it was predatory behavior.''
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www.espn.com

Goodell: Evidence calls for full-year Watson ban

Commissioner Roger Goodell said the NFL is seeking a tougher penalty for Deshaun Watson than his initial six-game suspension because the quarterback's actions were "egregious" and "predatory behavior."
www.espn.com www.espn.com
 
Lucky said:
There is not an appeal from the NFLPA, yet. Because there isn't a ruling from the NFL's appeal to the NFL.

If you're going to post 6,000 times in a thread, you should at least try to keep up.
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Are you rooting for Derrick to appeal and win? It appears that's what you're rooting for. If Derrick chooses to appeal after a decision is handed down.

Hopefully I've made myself clear, so you can move along to play the semantics game with someone else.
 
Lucky said:
"Roger Goodell defends decision to appeal Judge Robinson's ruling to Roger Goodell..."

I guess when Roger starts disagreeing with himself, we'll know it's time for him to retire.
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Roger could have declared this from the outset or even last year, but he chose to pass the buck. Now all of a sudden he sticks his chest out like he's doing something or standing for something. Wanna impress me? Push for more inclusion in the ownership ranks instead of the same old country club
 
djohn2oo8 said:
Do you want to know what collusion is? It’s making sure the guy you are paying all that money to, coverts part of his salary 30-40 million dollars less to avoid losing a lot of money for egregious and predatory behavior. That’s collusion. That’s NOT smart.
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This isn't new regardless of the situation

www.boston.com

Tom Brady would save nearly $2 million during Deflategate suspension because of his recently restructured contract

If there’s a silver lining for Tom Brady following the news Monday morning that his four-game Deflategate suspension was reinstated, it’s this: Because of Brady’s new contract, which he and the Patriots renegotiated just two months ago, he will now save nearly $2 million then he otherwise would...
www.boston.com
 
leebigeztx said:
Roger could have declared this from the outset or even last year, but he chose to pass the buck. Now all of a sudden he sticks his chest out like he's doing something or standing for something. Wanna impress me? Push for more inclusion in the ownership ranks instead of the same old country club
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Why would Godell suspend Watson and give him a year credit served when Watson already took himself out of the game? How is that punishing Watson at all. No you suspend him when the jackass wants to play, that's how you hit him where it hurts.

Also please take the "country club" stuff somewhere else, it has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.. we already had one thread hijacked.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Why would Godell suspend Watson and give him a year credit served when Watson already took himself out of the game? How is that punishing Watson at all. No you suspend him when the jackass wants to play, that's how you hit him where it hurts.

Also please take the "country club" stuff somewhere else, it has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.. we already had one thread hijacked.
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I see you missed the point totally. Let me ask you a question. Do you think the Texans could've gotten even more for a player with the punishment already served or set or for a guy with questions about upcoming punishment? If the got what they got and had multiple teams willing to give up that compensation, don't you think they could've gotten 3 or 4 1s and a couple of 2s or 3s for him?
 
leebigeztx said:
I see you missed the point totally. Let me ask you a question. Do you think the Texans could've gotten even more for a player with the punishment already served or set or for a guy with questions about upcoming punishment? If the got what they got and had multiple teams willing to give up that compensation, don't you think they could've gotten 3 or 4 1s and a couple of 2s or 3s for him?
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I really didn't care if Caserio got anything for Derrick. I wanted him gone for 2 years. This still may happen if more women come forward and you know there are women still out there waiting.
 
steelbtexan said:
I really didn't care if Caserio got anything for Derrick. I wanted him gone for 2 years. This still may happen if more women come forward and you know there are women still out there waiting.
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Didn't someone on this board say something about underage women or did I misread that? I don't know who is out there. I don't know how it effects the future suspension or the current one. That doesn't drive me
 
leebigeztx said:
Roger could have declared this from the outset or even last year, but he chose to pass the buck. Now all of a sudden he sticks his chest out like he's doing something or standing for something. Wanna impress me? Push for more inclusion in the ownership ranks instead of the same old country club
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Agree completely about him staying quiet about Watson until now. As to inclusion, pretty sure it's not up to him in the end. Also, Condoleeza Rice and Lewis Hamilton are among the ownership group in this particular deal, so unless you're looking for a majority owner who's a minority.
 
leebigeztx said:
Didn't someone on this board say something about underage women or did I misread that? I don't know who is out there. I don't know how it effects the future suspension or the current one. That doesn't drive me
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From what I remember our board insiders insinuated there's an FBI investigation that involves Watson trafficking minors. If they're as right about this as they have been about everything else, he has nothing to worry about, but we'll see...
 
paycheck71 said:
Agree completely about him staying quiet about Watson until now. As to inclusion, pretty sure it's not up to him in the end. Also, Condoleeza Rice and Lewis Hamilton are among the ownership group in this particular deal, so unless you're looking for a majority owner who's a minority.
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I'm not going to derail, but Robert Smith would be the the 4th richest owner in the nfl and has a net worth of 5b. He doesn't have Walton money, but he had a group with him as the principle owner. Rice nor Hamilton have that kind of coin and stake.
 
leebigeztx said:
Didn't someone on this board say something about underage women or did I misread that? I don't know who is out there. I don't know how it effects the future suspension or the current one. That doesn't drive me
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Nothing drives me when it comes to this situation.

I just want to see Derrick have to miss at least 3 years of football. That should be a minimum punishment for a sexual predator. Godell's now calling him a sexual predator.

Give him the Bauer treatment.
 
paycheck71 said:
From what I remember our board insiders insinuated there's an FBI investigation that involves Watson trafficking minors. If they're as right about this as they have been about everything else, he has nothing to worry about, but we'll see...
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Don’t recall anyone saying anything about minors and that doesn’t fit Watson’s MO anyway. What the FBI part would have been in regards to is that he flew one of the women to Atlanta I believe it was. When things cross state lines they become a federal issue and that is where the FBI comes in.

Even if the woman is a hooker that knew she was being flown out for sex and was all for it that still falls under trafficking and is a federal crime. I don’t know if there actually was an FBI investigation but if there was and it was only in regards to this one case then it would most likely be dropped due to lack of evidence. Unless they had it on camera Watson paying her for sex there are a thousand explanations that could be given as to why she was there. In the end it would have been a tough case to prove and not really worth the effort and expense.
 
maverick512000 said:
Don’t recall anyone saying anything about minors and that doesn’t fit Watson’s MO anyway. What the FBI part would have been in regards to is that he flew one of the women to Atlanta I believe it was. When things cross state lines they become a federal issue and that is where the FBI comes in.

Even if the woman is a hooker that knew she was being flown out for sex and was all for it that still falls under trafficking and is a federal crime. I don’t know if there actually was an FBI investigation but if there was and it was only in regards to this one case then it would most likely be dropped due to lack of evidence. Unless they had it on camera Watson paying her for sex there are a thousand explanations that could be given as to why she was there. In the end it would have been a tough case to prove and not really worth the effort and expense.
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2 minute search. FBI was too short of a word to search for, so can't help you there.

Corrosion said:
If the victim is a minor , there is no statute of limitations at all.
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Corrosion said:
And now for the bombshell:


There is rumor around the office that there are at least three more unnamed complainants and that they are / were minors at the time of the alleged incidents.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
I was about to post similar, but was waiting for a second source. The only difference is that my source only related 2 minors involved.
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djohn2oo8 said:
I looked this up on the FBI website regarding trafficking of minors

Sex trafficking: When individuals are compelled by force, fraud, or coercion to engage in commercial sex acts. Sex trafficking of a minor occurs when the victim is under the age of 18. For cases involving minors, it is not necessary to prove force, fraud, or coercion.
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Corrosion said:
22 Civil

11 Criminal

7 of the 11 criminal cases are not Buzbee clients and are NOT part of the civil suits.

There's also strong evidence of minor victims in 3-4 cases. These cases are not part of the above figures.
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Corrosion said:
This is far from over.

Four of the women refused to settle, they want their day in court.

There are at least 6 more possible criminal cases, three of those involve minor victims. The same 6 could also file civil suits.

Then there's the suspension which has been referred to as "Indefinite" .
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Lucky said:
There is not an appeal from the NFLPA, yet. Because there isn't a ruling from the NFL's appeal to the NFL.

If you're going to post 6,000 times in a thread, you should at least try to keep up.
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You might want to go back and read the rules again.

There will be no "appeal" from the NFLPA because this is the appeal and the rules state that Goodell or his designee will hear the appeal, make a ruling and that ruling is final - that's the end of the process.
There is no appeal to the appeal .... except for going to court where they'd lose their collective asses because ..... he's guilty of breaking the code of conduct on multiple counts.
 
Corrosion said:
You might want to go back and read the rules again.

There will be no "appeal" from the NFLPA because this is the appeal and the rules state that Goodell or his designee will hear the appeal, make a ruling and that ruling is final - that's the end of the process.
There is no appeal to the appeal .... except for going to court where they'd lose their collective asses because ..... he's guilty of breaking the code of conduct on multiple counts.
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I think that's his point. Going to the court is the "appeal" he's talking about. And he's questioning everyone's certainty about how it'll end because any decision under this particular version of CBA hasn't been challenged in court yet. I'm not predicting any outcomes, just trying to clarify things to all the people who have jumped to conclusions a year and a half ago.

Edit: yes, technically I understand, it's not an appeal. Watson's team should have appealed to the NFL, but they didn't, and that's their problem. The word appeal was used in this particular context to mean any potential lawsuit after the final binding decision.
 
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maverick512000 said:
Don’t recall anyone saying anything about minors and that doesn’t fit Watson’s MO anyway. What the FBI part would have been in regards to is that he flew one of the women to Atlanta I believe it was. When things cross state lines they become a federal issue and that is where the FBI comes in.

Even if the woman is a hooker that knew she was being flown out for sex and was all for it that still falls under trafficking and is a federal crime. I don’t know if there actually was an FBI investigation but if there was and it was only in regards to this one case then it would most likely be dropped due to lack of evidence. Unless they had it on camera Watson paying her for sex there are a thousand explanations that could be given as to why she was there. In the end it would have been a tough case to prove and not really worth the effort and expense.
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Right now the FBI is focused on other things.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
There are now reports of the NFLPA filing for a hearing. This is a little strange, as there is nothing in the CBA for a hearing following the submission of appeal briefs to Goodell or his designee to be part of the process.
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I think the Browns know they are going down hard on this one and trying to do anything to muddy the waters. Perhaps so they can tell their players or future free agent prospects that they did everything to help DeShaun Watson the player.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
There are now reports of the NFLPA filing for a hearing. This is a little strange, as there is nothing in the CBA for a hearing following the submission of appeal briefs to Goodell or his designee to be part of the process.
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Just my opinion, the nfl doesn't want this to go to the court system. There are alot of reason why they don't, so this whole negotiations thingy is happening.
 
If Watson is banished for a full year without guarantee of reinstatement, Watson likely will not be able to play preseason. There is precedent for this in previous 1-year banishments.
 
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